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15239610 No.15239610 [Reply] [Original]

LISTEN TO ME

I don't know where else to go. Everywhere I am ridiculed.

I've just (re)discovered the fundamental nature of gravity. We know that gravity is an innate property of matter.
But what is it, exactly? By what mechanism does it attract matter?

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>>15239610
>I've just (re)discovered the fundamental nature of gravity.
Then you would have posted something different...something waaay more schizo.

You're not insane. I am insane.

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Gravity is often discussed as an acceleration. For example, the average acceleration of gravity on Earth's surface is about 9.81m/s^2.
If you only take one thing away from this post, this should be it: Gravity is not the acceleration of matter. It is the acceleration of space.

Space flows and accelerates as a perfect fluid. An ether, if you will. This is nothing new. Karl Pearson, who inspired Einstein, laid out a very similar theory to what I am about to propose. I will provide a link to his theory below.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/2369570.pdf

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I arrived at my theory in parrallel to Pearson. Here is how I did it.
During physics class, I would always hear of the ever-present "acceleration of gravity". But it never made much sense to me.
For example, imagine a book on a shelf. It's just sitting there, motionless. Stationary. And yet it experiences the acceleration of gravity. It is accelerating. But how? Relative to what?
I thought about this for a long time, for weeks or even months. I have a job in aviation, so I'm constantly subjected to g-forces and odd accelerations that a normal person might not be exposed to.
One day while lying in my bed, it clicked. It all made sense. I realized that we are accelerating upwards.

As proof, imagine this. You are sitting in a dragster that is accelerating forward at 9.81m/s^2. You'd be forced into the back of your seat.
Now imagine if you took that seat of the dragster and laid it on it's back, facing the sky. Now sit in it. It's the exact same sensation. You are accelerating upwards to the sky.

>> No.15239628 [DELETED] 

So how is this possible? How can a seemingly stationary book be, in reality, accelerating upwards towards the sky?
The answer is that space itself must be accelerating down towards Earth. And herein lies the crux of my theory: Space flows towards matter like water down a drain.
It is a perfect incompressible fluid that MUST accelerate as it get closer to matter due to being crowded into a smaller area.
Our acceleration into the sky is perfectly balanced by space's acceleration toward Earth.

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So how is this possible? How can a seemingly stationary book be, in reality, accelerating upwards towards the sky?
The answer is that space itself must be accelerating down towards Earth. And herein lies the crux of my theory: Space flows towards matter like water down a drain.
It is a perfect incompressible fluid that MUST accelerate as it get closer to matter due to being crowded into a smaller area.
Our acceleration into the sky is perfectly balanced by space's acceleration toward Earth.

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Why should you believe me?

>There is no current explanation for the mechanism of gravity other than it's a "fundamental force" (AKA magic).
I am going a step further and providing an actual mechanism for gravity.

>Occum's Razor.
The simplest model is the best. I can simplify our current model of physics in at least one way: reconciling kinetic and gravitational time dilation. They are the same phenomenon.

We know that movement through space "costs" movement through time. This is known as kinetic time dilation. Objects moving at the speed of light have "spent" all of their movement through time in exchnage for movement through space. They have none left to give, which is why that's the speed limit of the universe.

But movement through time is also (seemingly) arbitrarily affected by gravity. However it is not arbitrary if we consider that under my model, gravity is movement through space. Or rather space moving through you. In fact, based on the requirements of time dilation, I was able to solve for the velocity of space at any given point as it's flowing into matter. The solution is that space moves at exactly escape velocity (see picture).

>We know that the current model is broken.
Things like dark matter and dark energy were invented to "fix" it. They have no observational evidence other than "our obersvations don't agree with the current model".
My model has numerous implications and possibilites that, when explored, could provide better explain observations. For example, if space drains into matter, I propose that it flows out of anti-matter.
Space flowing out of dispersed anti-matter could explain the expansion of the universe better than dark energy. Pressure from spacing flowing out of dispersed intergalactic anti-matter could explain why galaxies don't fly apart better than dark matter. etc...

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>>15239610

>> No.15239689

>>15239617
LOOK YOU FUCKER
I'm not insane. I'm not some fuckup peddling quirky "esoteric" knowledge like the rest of you failures.
This is real. This is the future of physics. Either accept it now or in 20-30 years when the Thought Leaders deem it acceptable to handfeed to you.

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>>15239689
You will never be a Phsycist.

>> No.15239712

>>15239694
>You will never be a Phsycist.
What does that mean?
Do I need a special degree to make observations about the nature of reality?
Stop the petty gatekeeping and admit that my theory is correct.
Or are you jealous that you couldn't see the Truth with your own eyes?

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>>15239712
>What does that mean?
I already told you. You...suck at research.

>Then you would have posted something different...something waaay more schizo.
>You're not insane. I am insane.
then (You) said
>I'm not insane.

I know, my diagnosis was assured when I said it, your differential diagnosis wasnt needed, especially since youre not a doctor.

>> No.15239747

>I already told you. You...suck at research.
Why should I research something that is so obviously apparent?
Should I also research whether or not the sky is blue?
All with eyes to see and ears to hear will know that I'm right and you are wrong.

>> No.15239750

>>15239712
>Do I need to be educated about the fundamental nature of reality to know anything about the fundamental nature of reality?

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>>15239747
>Should I also research whether or not the sky is blue?
Blueshifted or blue?

Checkmate...but I already knew that.
:)

>> No.15239759

>>15239750
It's wrong though. The current model is WRONG.
You cannot justify fantizations such as dark energy and dark matter. They were invented to keep modern physics from collapsing.
Why would I waste YEARS of my life going down a known dead end?
Please, if you will only give me a chance, you will find my theory consistent and comprehensive.

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>>15239747
Oh..and Im testing the man, not your theory. I didnt read any of it. You need to prove yourself first, then I would look it over....because I have a complete cosmological model myself, if I simply held yours to mine, mine would vaporize yours..and I have WAAAY more time, citations and verifications than yours EVER will.

I wouldnt trust anyone without more than a few PhDs in certain fields to review my works. My plumber doesnt check my math.

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>>15239759
>Why would I waste YEARS of my life

>> No.15239779

>>15239755
You must feel so smug. Sure you got me on a technically, when I was obviously speaking hyperbolically.
Low hanging fruit.

But what have you accomplished? With this single post, I have advanced the field of physics 20, 30, even 50 years?
And you would deny that from the world because I lack your so-called "credentials".

>>15239766
>and I have WAAAY more time, citations and verifications than yours EVER will
I will let you in a on a little secret. Time, citations, and verifications are all synonyms for "cope".
Simplicity is beauty. The Truth doesn't need citations or verifications. The Truth is self-verifying.

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>>15239779
>Simplicity is beauty.
You.....REALLY suck at research, like...holy shit, youre flat out blind.

My metrics is 1 or sometime .5 dimensional. THERE IS NO SIMPLER MEANS OF MEASURING REALITY.

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>>15239779
>You must feel so smug
This was your first post to me. Im not even touching your theory until I find out if youre legit as a man. I can spend all day review novel theories of everything, I do it all the time...so what makes you worth MY TIME?

I'm on my way to a Van Gogh museum...

>> No.15239804

>>15239793
NO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND
The 5th dimension, if it does exist, is the movement of space itself. That is, the movement of the entire 3 dimensional coordinate grid. It's not your weird teserract nonsense.

>> No.15239806

>>15239802
>so what makes you worth MY TIME?
I laid it out in my conclusion here
>>15239637

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>>15239804
>The 5th dimension, if it does exist, is the movement of space itself.
I read this at age 13 in the year 1997. Time, Anti-Time, Imaginary Time, combined, is the 5th Dimension. I am VERY aware of what it is.

Shortly after I discovered what Imaginary Time was, the thing Hawking wanted to see put to some use in reality, he died. Im still heartbroken over the fact he will never get to hear that.

Please, sir...calm down...

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>>15239804
>It's not your weird teserract nonsense.
Thats literally all I am, metrics of reality as vectors or matrices forming hyperdimensional geometric shapes etc. Very Guage atheory/Lagrangian based.

I'll look this over and toss my two cents in, but after the art museum. Maybe we'll both learn something.

>> No.15239826

>>15239823
Okay, thanks friend. That's all I ask. I'm going to sleep now. Big day tomorrow. I'll check back in tomorrow morning.

>> No.15239828

>>15239610
Go away schizo

>> No.15239830

>>15239823
Enjoy the musem.

>> No.15240134

>>15239623
So if space is accelerating into the earth, where does this compressed space go? Won't the fabric of space be pinched at the earth's centre? I thought you said it was an incompressible fluid?

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>>15240134
Friend, the answer is in your own question. If it doesn't compress, it must accelerate.

Think of a draining bathtub. The water on the far end of the tub flows slowly. The water close to the drain flows quickly. It must accelerate as it gets closer due to being forced through a smaller area.

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>>15239623
>Now imagine if you took that seat of the dragster and laid it on it's back, facing the sky.
I think this "change in perspective" is useful, as simply thinking in legit "4D spacetime" required by me to view something from two perspective at the same time. The same time part is important. Not look one way, then the other, but looking in opposite directions at the exact same time (Schizophrenic) Split perception.
t.Psychologist
>>15239635
>It is a perfect incompressible fluid that MUST accelerate as it get closer to matter due to being crowded into a smaller area.
I thought since gravity operates at a set speed, "terminal velocity", it didnt "accelerate", only you did to "its speed" then no more.
>>15239637
>reconciling kinetic and gravitational time dilation.
I wish I save the thread I posted in on this very subject. For me...literally the King's crown jewel of discoveries, to "quantify" time in a non-cyclic, non-fequency, metric.

>I was able to solve for the velocity of space at any given point as it's flowing into matter
Im in the camp of "space isnt real" in that if there is no matter/radiation/lightwhatever that space would have no properties of any kind. In my theory I basically count the 4th dimension as a physical one, but inverted (counter-space-esque). Inside out matter, like a hyperaphere (Klein-bottle but sphere shaped). The outer sphere being gravity (which extends to infinity like magmetism).

No matter, then no gravity, no time to pass, no "space" to effect other things.

>Things like dark matter and dark energy were invented to "fix" it.
Yeah, I had never even heard of this until 2017 before that I had never heard of that theory. I was sideblinded by this "dark" stuff. Our theories aim to put it to rest.

>I propose that it flows out of anti-matter
An inversion of an inversion, complicated stuff...hmm...I'm going to have to go back and read up on this considering your theory.

>> No.15240789

>>15239622
>Space flows and accelerates
Sorry to be so blunt but that's just wrong. Space has no substance. It cannot meaningfully be said to do ANYTHING. The only property it has is geometry, which means it can be described with a metric tensor field, which is a mathematical object that describes the distances between neighboring points in space. Go read about the Schwarzschild metric, which is super simple and describes the geometry of space around a spherically symmetric nonrotating body like an idealized planet. All your questions will be answered if you just set aside your stupid "I'm a genius, I've figured it out" mindset and LRN.

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>>15240789
>"I'm a genius, I've figured it out"
I wonder if Physicists ever diagree...

>> No.15240884

>>15240807
Real ones disagree all the time, and then they look at the math and go "Oh, I see your point, you were right." Where math?

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>>15240884
>Where math?
Here.

>> No.15240890

>>15240887
"I don't understand it, it must be garbage"

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>>15240890
Lol, no, dumbfuck....I have equations that look exactly like that and those ones I consider to be my failures. So it will be labled one as well.

You...are very human.

>> No.15240907

>>15239610
It's known that gravity deforms space, could the force of gravity just be the fact that an oject travels in more "compressed" space going towards a gravity well and thus acceleraring? Like if velocity is the same but it travels less space

>> No.15240963

>>15240899
>I have equations that look exactly like that
Post one. Post a Lagrangian.

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>>15240963
>Post a Lagrangian
>feed my ego so I can shit on what doesnt mirror my textbook

Youre so fucking transparent...no YOU post and I will "lmao no" in less than 10 seconds...Just so you know what its like being me with someone like you.

You will never be a scientist of any kind, youre a certified worker following procedure.

>> No.15241035

>>15239759
Okay... where is it then?

>> No.15241037

>>15239694
High school math time. You know what a dot product is? You know you lose information when you project to a lower-dimensional space. And please at least read elecromagnetism 101.

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>>15241037
>High school math time.
Good job, you just outed yourself as an amature. Sorry, bud, I dont have any spare change...

something somethign "dem apples"...

>> No.15241118

>>15241083
You learn about Wiener processes and random walks in the first stochastics course. My point was that you should have learned about dot products in high school had you gone there. And if you knew your basic vector math, you get why your "theory" doesn't work.

>> No.15241149

>>15239610
So what have you (re)discovered? There was nothing in your post
>By what mechanism does it attract matter?
Virtual spin 2 fields quantized as what is referred to as gravitons

>> No.15241153

>>15239747
>so obviously apparent?
Then why has nobody else come up with it? Let's assume you are the smartest person alive and everything is obvious to you. Why can't you write a simple paper about your thoughts then?

>> No.15241166

>>15241118
>theory" doesn't work
BWHAHAHA half of my theory fits neatly with GU, and I wrote it before he published it. Penrose uses a number of thing I do too, and again...I wrote it befor he said it. I keep trying to digest Amplitude Hedron but god damn that dude is autistic....

You DOUBLE OUTED yourself....dude, stfu amature hour. Its very clear youre speaking from an "academica dick sucking culture to win favores so you can be the sucked off one day" perspective (because youre looking up.....and you masters cock.) There is nothing above me...I look down on all creation.

Get off the internet and get a job.

>> No.15241174

>>15241153
>Then why has nobody else come up with it?
I did, a couple things he said aligns with my works and my works align with the top, hence why I took notice.

YOU DO REVIEW UNIFIED THEORIES, RIGHT? GOT STACKS ON YOUR DESK?

OR.....YOU LYING AGAIN?

>> No.15241178

>>15241174
Dodging the second question to be a raging autist? Why not just write your ideas out on paper? Or do you enjoy knowing they're going to die with you?

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>>15241178
All you do is post "i bet your dick is small" shit. Immature, clearly outclassed by me so you talk about my penis size dodging everything I say because...well, you got checkmated immediately.

>answer my demands
Kiddo, I have a world to conquer...what will the world say when youre dead?

NOTHING...BECAUSE YOUR NAME IS ALREADY FORGOTTEN.

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>>15241178
You realize you completely wasted your life, right?

We are not the same species. You are human...which is fine! Be proud of who you are.

>> No.15241255

>>15241207
Die with you it is

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>>15241255
lol
>Convince me or the world will never accept it!
Based and delusion-pilled. No Physicist cares about what you think...NONE of them.

Get a job, stop playing pretend.

>> No.15241270

>>15241233
You look like a poorly aged beta male. The stereotypical midlife crisis boomer who hides money from his wife so he can secretly pay hundreds of dollars for pictures of a trans girl's feet on onlyfans.

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>>15241270
Theres that "small penis" talk again. HE JUST CANT STOP.

EVEN WHEN POINTED OUT...HE KEEPS DOING IT, HE LITERALLY CANT STOP SUCKING DICK.

>> No.15241292

>>15239637
your mechanism implies infinite force and acceleration at the center of a body of mass

>> No.15241298

>>15241233
>looks like a 45 y.o.
>behaves like 13 y.o.
Disturbingly unpleasant

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>>15241298
>EVEN MORE SMALL DICK TALK.
Anon, talk about what you know as Truth, not how you FEEEEEEEL about it. Youre FEEEEEElings have betrayed you.

>> No.15241339

>>15239623
Uh, the car is accelerating upward and the passenger is experiencing g-forces due to inertia.

>> No.15242359

>>15240775
>I thought since gravity operates at a set speed, "terminal velocity", it didnt "accelerate", only you did to "its speed" then no more.
No, I said space moves at escape velocity. It accelerates toward earth, but at any given point it is moving at exactly the escape velocity for that point.

>> No.15242378

>>15240789
>Sorry to be so blunt but that's just wrong
I could say the same thing about your current understanding of physics.
>Go read about the Schwarzschild metric
And you should read about the Pioneer Anomaly. Or the Flyby Anomaly. Or basically this entire list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsolved_problems_in_physics
You've been blinded by your ego. I would be too if I wasted my entire life trying to understand a bloated, overly complex, and ultimately broken model of physics.

>> No.15242415

>>15241292
It does not. I said space flows towards and drains into matter. Think of matter like a gateway to some "other" place.
When space flows into matter, it stops accelerating. If space leaves our universe through matter, then why isn't the universe shrinking instead of expanding?
The answer is that space returns via anti-matter. If matter is a drain, anti-matter is a spout. There must be more anti-matter than matter in the universe, causing it to expand.
Though anti-matter is dispersed and found mostly in lower density regions like interstellar and intergalactic space. There it is less likely to be annihilated by matter.
This makes it hard to detect. It essentially dark matter, but instead of holding galaxies together from the inside, it pushes them together from the outside.

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>>15242359
>space moves at escape velocity. It accelerates toward earth
Space isnt a thing, counter-space (negative space) is "down" from all directions. Time seeks lower states of energy which is always towards more gravity, when condensed time stops, the lowest state. Highest state is speed of light, the opposite. Gravity doesnt push up, its always to the center, atoms or black holes.

Water flowing down, not pushing up against space, as its negative area.

>>15242378
>List_of_unsolved_problems_in_physics
This is literally what I did too.

>>15242415
>Think of matter like a gateway to some "other" place.
Yes, its "trying" to flow you "through" itself (the center, and be inside out) but the strong/weak prevents this. THAT is what pushes back, when you hit it, otherwise the attraction of a lower energy state overrides it. Enough gravity (Neutron Star/Black Hole) is needed to break these forces.

>it pushes them together from the outside.
I felt that unaccounted for matter, all that radiation adds up, and magnetism makes this happen.

>>15239617
Here is half, requires a redfinition of what "space-time" is, but OooE, Im trying!

>> No.15242524

>>15242493
>Space isnt a thing,
How do you know? How do you know space isn't a substance that can move and flow?

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>>15242524
>How do you know? How do you know space isn't a substance that can move and flow?
Just my "philosophy" I suppose. Tesla and Ken Wheeler made good points about this, and Ken is where I heard the term "counter-space" (but our definitions of it are a little different, but thats whatev.)

As far as I know "space being a thing" wasnt a thing until Einstein and Tesla railed against it. I still used Einstein in my equations, I just had to redfine it some. Thinking in terms of "there is more vectors of reality than just the three" was critical for me, so Im not shitting on, I just feel its slightly different.

>> No.15242621

>>15242524
Because we would've detected that in any number of experiments. Google gravity probe B for one.

>> No.15243405

>>15242621
It IS detected all the time though. The force of gravity is caused by space accelerating past you. Gravitational time dilation is caused by the velocity of space as it moves past you, essentially giving you an artificial velocity, causing kinetic time dilation.

>> No.15243598

https://youtu.be/BWW_mtihc1Q

>> No.15243724

>>15243598
no

>> No.15243992

>>15243598
this user is a bot based off of the "viruses dont exist" bot that was running around on this board in 2021

This thread is literally chat gpt, OP is one bot and the namefag is the other. theyre too literate to be ESL yet neither one is actually reading what theyre replying to,

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>>15243724
>>15243992
Youre both not Physicists.

>>15239610
You will never be a Physicist, you have passed information for delusion, I'm sorry.

>> No.15244757

>>15239623
I find it hard to believe you’ve ever taken a physics class. I’d be surprised to believe you even graduated high school lol. Ever heard of the normal force? That’s like the second topic taught in physics 101.

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>>15244757
>Ever heard of the normal force?
Ever heard of the equivalence principal?

>> No.15244829

>>15239610
The universe is accelerating outwards and matter accelerates inwards via gravity. This is the process by which reality renormalizes itself as it continues to generate itself from itself.