/sci/ - Science & Math

first for two more weeks but unironically

1st for Phoenix Asteroids

ksp2 a shit

>>15227991
All I've heard so far is "literally unplayable." Is it really that bad?

>>15227989
reminder, the 45min student film version is superior to the added footage movie

>>15227991
As expected. This is what happens when you and hire middle managers and unity monkeys instead of actual engineers with absolute power over what gets made.

>>15228001
That doesn't have Pinbacks video diary tho. The beachball ayy sequence is too long I'll grant you.

>>15228000
It's playable on my RTX2070, but it's kinda shit. Graphics and sounds are nice, UI is also good, but there's a ton of stuff missing from KSP. From termodynamics, robotics, autostruts, to even basic parts like aerobrakes.

>>15228026
>frame rate literally 0 as soon as it crashes
I guarantee they didn't even touch the physics. Just copied everything from KSP and piled shit on top.

>>15228031
If that were the case it would be even worse. It's just an early build that they're releasing since people these days are willing to pay money to be alpha testers. I don't particularly like the trend myself, but it's hard to say that it's a bad thing per se, and it's worked decently well for other games like Bannerlord.

>>15228026
source?

>>15228031
The wobble in the recent showcase video was identical to KSP1's. Fuckers had few things to do, and that would have been fixing physics and parts coupling, I guess it's just not possible in that shitheap that is unity, I wonder if they even bothered fixing the engine code. Graphics should be the last shits to worry about in game development, but it doesn't sell otherwise

>>15228041
I think it's the case. The game has the same issues that KSP used to have. Wobbling, ground behaving like ice and I saw a bug with glitching KSC that was also present in the first game.
Instead of getting KSP with colonies and interstellar travel, it's like they're starting all over again. A few years are going to be wasted to get to the level of the first game.
>>15228047
me

>>15228052
>>15228058
>Don't reinvent the wheel guys

>>15228052
>Graphics should be the last shits to worry about in game development, but it doesn't sell otherwise
BS. Graphically simplistic or otherwise unburdening games like Among Us and Terraria have been highly popular

>>15228058
How is this even a real game in 2023

You will float in ze pod
https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/02/21/japanese-start-up-hopes-to-rival-spacex-with-new-balloon-capsule-that-can-take-passengers-

>>15228066
>rival spacex
>a balloon
>in 1g
this article has to be bezos sponsored

>>15228062
I don't disagree. I should've been more clear, what I meant to say is that it seems mostly smoke and mirrors: changing the UI, upgrading textures and doing cinematic stuff are all relatively simple for a development team, while keeping all the underlying (difficult) issues under the rug indefinitely is the standard "milk the product" procedure

>>15228066
> no observation platform
gay

>>15228072
Yeah, fuck having a comfortable ride. When people go to space they want a brazillon pounds of jet-propelled dildo riding into their butts.

What is the cheapest setup that can play KSP2?
Min specs say 1070 ti is enough, but that card is no longer on sale.
I'll have to add a W10 license, assuming ot still can be bought. Otherwise also add a new processor and board just for W11, as the devs aren't supporting linux and proton has some issues running this game.

I dont have high hopes of ksp2 becoming good ever
https://mobile.twitter.com/martsharter/status/1629159057624907779

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1629241278507491330
They did a better job centering the NASA logo this time

>>15228074
It literally has less features than KSP 1 which came out like eight years ago and none of the features that were teased in a trailer that came out three years ago. Actual travesty from the developers and anyone who says otherwise is a consoomer

>>15228081
>24km
>space

>>15228085
what is T2?
https://mobile.twitter.com/Spessmen/status/1629173727844880388

>>15228085
>childless millennial losers
Figures

>>15228081
most of the appeal of going to LEO is about microgravity
this thing is pointless

>>15228093
Take-Two, own this other little indie studio - Rockstar

>>15228098
https://www.pcgamer.com/after-ditching-the-original-kerbal-2-studio-take-two-reportedly-tried-to-poach-all-of-its-employees/

> Then in February 2020, it made the surprise announcement that development of the game had been moved from Star Theory Games (opens in new tab) to a new studio founded by its Private Division publishing label, led by "key members" of the Kerbal 2 team from Star Theory.

> More than a third of Star Theory's employees made the move to Take-Two, including studio head Jeremy Ables, creative director Nate Simpson, and lead producer Nate Robinson. Kerbal 2 had been Star Theory's only contract at the time, and without funding, it closed on March 4.

>>15227988
disagree

>>15228085
There goes our meal ticket

Down at the bing bing wahoo gadget shop earlier picking up a new modem for my mom and they had a big starlink display. Kind of crazy seeing it sold at retail shops only a few years after seeing every fag seething and saying it was impossible.

deluge

>>>/v/

What are the advantages of a switched reluctance - permanent magnet hybrid motor over choosing one or the other?

Starship's launch plume will be xbox hueg because the size of the engine doesn't matter, only the combined mass flow rate and exhaust velocity matters, and Starship has the biggest mass flow rate

>>15228168
not how it works in ksp r-tard

Mars will be black only

>>15228186
That is in fact how it works.

BRos the tutorial girl in KSP2...I Want to fuck her so goddamn bad bros her VOICE bros......FUCK so HOT

someone please hmu with cool space foot in the door jobs a fresh engineering grad can maybe get

>>15228312
Anon…

>>15228168
which means its gonna impact the OLT for longer even after liftoff lmao

>>15227978
fucking pussy journos

>>15228357
That's what the shielding if for, it's fine

I'm extatic for the static

>>15228168

>Starship plume is gonna be maybe 2x the length of the entire stack

holy fuuuck

>ksp2 is almost all methalox engines
>only hydrogen is used for nuclear
>no kerolox
huh

>>15228372
Propellant is stored in the balls

I had a dream that I was at Boca watching the final stack for OFT and I literally started crying in the dream, and everyone around me got very uncomfortable, and someone asked why I was crying and I said I just had been waiting for this for so long. And a girl gave me a disgusted look for crying, so I woke up and cried some more.

>>15228168
so you're saying the plume is gonna be longer than the plume of a single engine?

>>15228375
Its dumb

>>15228375
I thought they used vague “liquid fuel”

>>15228377
lol
>>15228378
Very much so. The plumes of the engines in the middle of the cluster are going to have the plumes of the outer engines surrounding them, which will mean they won't "feel" the drag from interacting with the outside atmosphere until the outer plumes slow down. The engines closest to the middle of the stack will have the strongest extension effect. Basically, the cluster of engines will have their plumes act like one megaplume from a virtual engine with the thrust of 33 Raptor 2s.

>>15228396
We can optimize Super Heavy’s plume further

>>15228387
Nope it's explicitly methalox in Ksp 2

>>15228377
It should be a lesson for you.

ABL is working on a heavy lift rocket

https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1629190538908893189?s=61&t=yTpUUILwbIX2pmJGJ5jqIQ

>>15228188
Go away L rodd Hubbered

>>15228398
I'm gonna name that concept the Venturi Air Augmented Rocket or VAAR and claim it's probably not very beneficial for launch vehicles, though it has a higher chance to be beneficial to low altitude missiles.

>>15228403
Oh please that’s not what that means

>>15228403
One way or another all small launch vehicles will go away

2002-2003 Orbital Space plane, based or cringe?

>>15228417
cringe ofc
space planes are gay

>>15228417
If it has wings, goes to space, and IS NOT a Titan SSTO, it's cringe

>>15228417
>28m^3 pressurised volume
basically american hermes at this point. or cargo-bay-less HL-42

>>15228325
Work for a bulk gas company like Linde or Air Products and then apply for a fuels position.

>>15228410
All of the other companies listed also compete or plan to compete in heavy lift. No small launch company listed so I assume that ABLs new vehicle would be heavy lift

>>15228432
literally unplayable

>>15228437
if you have a top-of-the-line PC you might get like 20-30 fps

>>15228429
That's not bad. It'd be fucked back in 2003 by having to launch on a Delta IV Heavy, but with a better launch vehicle it's not a bad design.

>The FIRST lifeboat was designed to be folded up in a small container on the outside of a space station. An<astronaut abandoning ship would enter the pod through a small hatch leading to the outside. After inflating the paraglider with Nitrogen fed through a hose or from gas bottles, the escapee would fire solid rockets attached to the closed hatch cover to de- orbit the craft. The fall from orbit (400,000 ft.) down to 120,000 ft. would take half an hour, withattitude control jets used for maneuvering. Once it became aerodynamic in the lower atmosphere, the paraglider could be steered by wing warping. The landing would take place anywhere within a footprint 450 miles wide and 1400 miles long.

>>15228432
nice slideshow

>>15228447

>>15228325
Go to RE and ask around there for leads.

>>15228450

starting off simple

>>15228444
>single person lifeboat
literally no reason for it. the only reason to have a dedicated lifeboat, rather than whatever spacecraft brought you there in the first place, is if spacecraft are coming and going on a rotational basis such that the capacity of craft docked to the station at any given time is less than the station's population. So then you need one (or more) spacecraft capable of holding the entire population of the station, not some individualized meme glider.

>>15228460
It's clearly intended to be used by the wealthiest person on the station, poor.

>>15228377
social nightmares always suck

>>15228463
>wealthiest person on the station
>needing to manually control it in the lower atmosphere
Please. Should be at least two person with the pilot in that tiny little cubby and a significant open area for the esteemed gentleman

Would you side-launch in a capsule?

>>15228377
fuckin' finook

>>15228468
Sure. It's not like it's going to fuck up the TPS when that's all covered up. The segmented solid boosters are still ass but that's a problem you can engineer around with the right launch escape system.

>>15228468
Fuck yes, I don’t know why they didn’t just do this for Artemis honestly. Redesigning the whole rocket a la Ares and SLS is fucking retarded. Doing an Energia-style side launch is way cooler and cheaper.
I’m also saying yes because I’d ride anything to space if it meant getting to go to orbit. I’d climb in a starliner even though I hate it

>>15228478
lol, there's no sfg option

>>15228484
>Why they didn’t do this
Because it would have been too capable for not enough new industrial work and contracts.
Better to make a separate whole new Ares 1&5, plus Ares 1 can’t even leave LEO so no chance NASA gets any idea for crazy missions.

>>15228468
I would side launch in nothing but an EVA suit

>>15228456
It's not that simple, Doc

>>15227988
getting close

Why don’t rocket simulators let you create procedurally generated engines and tanks? Makes no sense.

>>15228613
does this imply that it will be in march or april?

>>15228617
juno new origins lets you fiddle with engines like nothing in KSP

>ABL previously won a development contract for aerospikes
>they're now designing a larger rocket
RS2 plug nozzle please

>>15228617
SimpleRockets2 lets you do that
>Makes no sense
I don't get it, either. So many KSP players excited for new part #8392!!OMG. Turns out it's a... surprise surprise, some "new" tank segment. This time with a new shitty design and slightly bigger than the other ones. I mean what in the actual fuck. Just add the option to make procedural parts (tanks, pods, engines, etc.), let the player color it however they want, or even add any texture or image to it andddd done, you now can create every single rocket ever conceived, in any single shape, color, or size that you could imagine. Infinite possibilities. This leaves the devs more time and resources to focus on the physics part of the game so that, you know, you could create a +50 part rocket and play it with more than 2 frames per second.

>>15228625
>>15228641
Is it any good otherwise? Everything else I've seen about it looks half baked, though at least I can probably run it on my potato laptop.

>>15228641
KSP players remind me of pic related. Same shitty, buggy game as always, but hey, there's a new pod now!!1!

>>15228622
It implies a March attempt

>>15228651
Here you have hullo talking about it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhYVXybXUTI

>>15228638
fuuuuck yes

Memes aside, would pic related cost less to develop than the current SLS setup?

>no new engines or major hardware except for payload fairing
>uses 2 stock shuttle external tanks, 4 stock shuttle SRB's and 1 stock Saturn V second stage core

Also, why is information on this design so hard to find?

>>15228688
It would cost way more and you know it.

>>15228688
>why is information on this design so hard to find?
Because it was a dumb spitball idea to keep the jobs of Saturn contractors.

>>15228688
None of the tooling or engineering experience from the Saturn V program still exists, so you'd need to be recreating those parts from scratch. Then you need to run a lot of tests and simulations to see just how stock the STS parts would really be, then handle all of the redesign and requalification when it turns out they'd need to be modded. Then you need to modify a mobile launch monstrosity that can actually haul that load from the VAB out to LC-39, where you're going to need to build GSE to support it.

Granted, you do need to do some of that for any other SDV beyond a Shuttle-C, but just saying "use stock parts" is never as easy as clicking together a few parts in KSP. It would be expensive as fuck. It's almost always better to design new equipment rather than try to resurrect old ones.

>>15228743
I hate it. It's so dumb.

>>15228750
Yeah I know
It's the drawing part that's fun, especially coloring

>>15228553
To add on this, Orion was originally meant to service the ISS. It would have been overkill to launch a whole shuttle stack and expend three SSMEs for a crew change.

>>15228819
It’s good incentive to get the price of new SSMEs down, or redesign it to fly with RS-68s that can cluster. Shuttle was nice because you can reuse those expensive SSMEs but hell, if we didn’t have Falcon 9 EVERY human rated rocket system would be expending all engines now that shuttle is retired

>>15228653
It’s a niche market and KSP has an alright mix of low skill/new player accessibility and high skill/experienced player possibilities, but viewed outside of that lens, it leaves much to be desired. For example, the performance even on KSP 1 is unjustifiably terrible and KSP 2’s performance appears mind-bogglingly horrible

>>15228468
>>15228819
SMART-style reuse, or Kliper flyback engine section. Problem solved

>>15228641
It’d probably save time on the developer side of things, even, and you could still have technological progress through unlocking looser and looser slider constraints to represent improving metallurgy and whatnot

staring out my hotel window at all these damn EARTHERS

>>15228898
That had better be the window of a space hotel.

>>15228432
>>15228437
just turn off fuel crossfeed

>>15228432
Obviously a major malfunction

>>15228950
why?

>>15228970
fuel crossfeed has significant performance impact in KSP2 right now
if you need to use crossfeed you've fucked up btw

>>15228974
>fuel crossfeed has significant performance impact in KSP2 right now
How?!

>>15228974
i just thought it would be cool to try,fuck me i guess

>>15228981
Full fluid physics implementation for the fuel lines.

>>15228432
Gay off topic

>>15228432
Reminds me of the days of ye olde KSP, when tanks only came in one size.

>>15228743
>”Oh Goddard, I’m BOOOOSSTTTING!”

>>15228984
Holy based aspargers shitters btfo

>>15228688
$8 billion dollar per launch
$200 billion to develop over 50 years

>>15228985
What's the space flight implication of picrel?

>>15229020
HTOVL is the future

>>15229020
He hit the great filter. It's real.

>s25 was moved to the gun range
thats a long ass trip, no?

>>15228641
the way KSP 2 turned out is pretty much exactly how I hoped it won't turn out
>no procedural parts
>no 3 body mechanics
>rockets still wobbly
>rovers still flippy
from to looks of it, it's pretty much KSP 1 from like 8 years ago, only with with fancy visual effects tanking the performance
bugs are obviously omnipresent in barely even beta
>>15228984
it would explain the absurd lags but that's so stupid thing to do that I refuse to believe it

>>15229012
I wanna know how many of these have been dismantled.

turns out Margaret Hamilton was a fraud, who could have guessed
https://twitter.com/AnechoicMedia_/status/1629315139169075200
>The exact date of Hamilton's '68 entry level hire, and hasty promotion to software lead (both times by the man she married in '69) I haven't seen, but we know the first revision with her name is March 1969, months after the delivered product had gone to the moon.

>>15229020
KSP2 implements tictac UAPs. They selectively interfere with you if they decide you're progressing too fast.

>>15229064
thats a male jew in a dress
michael kinsley or one of his phenotype

>>15229064
>women are a fraud
imagine my shook

>>15229064
fugg. I guess it's true, Joan of Arc was the only woman ever worth anything.

>>15229087
She was just French Greta Thunberg.

>>15229096
don't do our girl Joan dirty like that

For me it's lisa su

>>15229064
I think they took this photo with the books specifically to show how much work has been done
you don't bring in boss to take the credit
you bring the shortest, daintiest woman on the team to make the product look bigger

>>15229064
>Hamilton 68
So not only was the "Russian disinformation" claim a fraud, the actual Hamilton in '68 was a fraud itself.

Why didnt anyone correct this?

>>15229087
didn't she get raped in a barn or something

>>15229052
Gaming is dead

>>15229110
based

>>15229110
Since 2018 I only use mommy's processors.

>>15229110
Based

>almost 90
The fuck do they feed people at NASA

>>15229130
Fat government grants.

>>15229087

>>15228084
wait until they fix and optimise stuff
Otherwise you're wasting your money.

but it seems KSP2 lived up to my worst fears

>>15229130
>90 years old
>looks 60 years old
so this is the power of tang...

>>15228819
Well then you need the various 90s-early 2000s Crew access vehicle/assured crew access vehicle/Orbital space plane, but these never had a chance of happening because soyuz was already there

The CEV/Orion is bloated for ISS

>>15229064
Whore

>>15229020
Don't let your h stabilizer block your exhaust.

>>15229137
She looks like the average 80 yo lady, if you look like this at 60 then I’m sorry for ya

>>15229064
She cute

Fuck I want to live on Mars RIGHT NOW

>>15229133
>She was his queen, and even more autistic than he was
>And god help anyone who disrespected his queen

>>15229149
It's a shithole and the low gravity becomes tiresome once you lose interest in flying around the habitat with wings strapped to your arms.

>>15229156
Phobos should be boosted into a collision course with Earth

You show up to work and this guy slaps you on the he ass and tells you to make a design suboptimal as a joke. What do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ_tFEuhaJo

>>15229164
are we not on track for this?

>>15229223
>frequent reliable orbital flights in 2023
no we're not but also not many years off

>no launch since a whole week ago
wesre fukced

>>15229229
backed up to give crew dragon some time

>>15229164
>2023

>>15229270
i thought that was always NET late 2020s

>>15229281
We'll be really lucky if Starship (excluding HLS) launches with a crew in this decade.

>>15229270
Propellant was supposed to have been stored in the balls by now...

>>15229286
no way. the 2nd/3rd polaris dawn mission is supposed to use starship. that's likely to happen within the next 6 years.

>>15229290
It took almost a decade between the first Falcon 9 launch and Demo-2. However, that was (almost) a traditional capsule. Starship is a much more complicated vehicle, without a launch escape system.

>>15229293
Starship is itself a launch escape system.
If things go wrong, fire the main engines early and land at Miami for pina coladas.

>>15229300
It's not that easy in rocketry.

>>15229300
Not enough T/W or quick enough to make it a true launch escape system. Is Starship planned to have RTLS abort? Presumably they could also soft land into the ocean in an emergency.

>>15229316
>Is Starship planned to have RTLS abort
Yes.
>Presumably they could also soft land into the ocean in an emergency
The tanks are not expected to survive tipping over after landing.

>chinese boots on mars NET 2050
TWO DECADES

Watching the KSP2 trailer got me so hyped bros. I know it has zero gameplay footage and isn't really indicative of the game, but they did a really good job on it. Imagine a whole Kerbal cartoon in the same style. Like going from early rocketry, up to manned spaceflight, maybe a disaster or two, and then all the way to interstellar. You fags keep complaining about there not being any good "smart" sci-fi, imagine if they did this.

>>15229352
27 years. Almost THREE decades.

Pathetic. And here I was thinking having no FAA rules and regulations would speed their progress up a hundredfold

They can copy all the science points from competitors have the infinite money cheat on too. How are they so bad

>>15229354
kysfaggot

>>15228432
>that one rocket bouncing ahead at start
I think you need more struts, bro.

>>15229361
Copying means you're always one step behind.

>>15229361
They want to wait until Mars is fully terraformed before bothering to land boots.

>>15229361
>27 years. Almost THREE decades.
>Pathetic
I feel personally attacked

>>15228432
>Set playback speed x5
>Perfectly normal

>>15229365
I want to fuck Valentina

>>15229401
>I want to fuck Valentina
I know that feel.

>>15229110

>>15229361
>27 years. Almost THREE decades.
Even Blue Orbs won't take that long to get to orbit! Oh wait, you said Mars?

>>15228047
my dick

>>15228085
May God strike down my generation.
And the gamergate faggots too

>>15228085
So glad I moved on from shit like this and got a life. All I think now when I read shit like this is "what a waste of time"

>>15229466
What does your life consist of?

>>15228085
>praising Atomic Heart
It's a very rote Bioshock clone set in the USSR. I guess that's enough to impress some people.

>>15228085
Looks like God has a soijak generator too.

>>15229052
procedural wings is an improvement

Ship 25 over at the new gunrange converted testing facility.

>>15229111
trips of truth

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/jwst-discovers-enormous-distant-galaxies-that-should-not-exist/
>jwst did nothi-

>>15229558
cool, and it's good to know that they can roll them over there now

https://pastebin.com/aTKuM2my

Woof woof woof

>>15228456
it has more then 2 parts so good luck getting 30 fps

>>15229579
cool, didn't know pastebin addresses have embed. Also: Meds, now.

>>15228984
why the need for liquid physics if they dont even need to do ullage?

>>15228399
It's "explicitly methalox" in the sense that it says "methalox" on screen. But the engines have no properties that are consistent with methane fuel. Surprise surprise, KSP2 is shit.

you know all those military youtubers? i wish we had one but for military space.

>>15229609
Csi starbase

>>15229609
No thanks. Its all bot central for military youtube channels.

>>15228091
>space is just a number bro

>>15229609
Curious Droid would come closest. But that's more of an aerospace channel.

>>15229673
i cringed looking at it

>>15229609
everyday astronat

>>15229723
Does he even know what a gun looks like?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=facqAaVWURg

301 second raptor firing

>>15229401
To everyone here, get all the art you can get

>>15229755
Ain't that pretty much full duration

>>15228417
based
>>15228427
faggot

>>15229767
Yep close enough. 5 minutes of engine turned on at time.

Raptor 2 has ~327s Isp, so its close

>>15229785
What's the Isp got to do with it

What's the least expensive and most painful way to put myself into a coma for two weeks? I'm sick of waiting.

>>15228188
That's a weird name to give your mom's vagina.

>>15229790
>he doesn't know why ISP is in seconds

>>15228417
Let's put it this way: fuck off and hang yourself

>>15229020
implies you're a gay retard
drink bleach

https://youtu.be/12u1ES-g14c?t=2059
HOLY FUCK SHE IS SO CUUUUTE
AND SHORT

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/10/democrats-republicans-mars-nasa-480568

>“Sometimes my friends on the hard left and the hard right don’t want to spend money on NASA, on space exploration and on advancing into the off world,” said Rep. Frank Lucas (R-Okla.), the ranking member of the House Science, Space and Technology Committee. “Fortunately ... there’s overwhelming support from what I define as the rational center in Congress to continue to do this.”

Oh what a surprise, both left-wing and right-wing are anti-NASA and anti-space exploration

>>15229824
>friends on the hard left and the hard right
A nothing statement, he has no friends in either 'camp'. The sentence only wastes words.

>>15229813
Fun fact: The units for specific impulse are more correctly pounds seconds per pound. People (arguably erroneously) cancel the pounds even though they refer to different things: The one in the numerator is pounds of thrust, while the one in the denominator is pounds of propellant. The "specific" in specific impulse means impulse per unit weight of propellant; impulse is thrust times burn time, so divide that by propellant weight and you get specific impulse. It's one of those rare physical relationships that makes more sense when expressed in imperial units than metric ones.

>>15229831
idk I just say ISP cause it sounds smart

>>15229824
He's just another politician pulling shit out his ass

>>15229831
Bunch of gobbledygook. "Pounds" is a unit of force, not mass. Slugs are mass in imperial.

>>15229842
That's correct. Pounds of thrust (times burn time in seconds) divided by pounds of propellant consumed.

>>15229842
>Slugs are mass in imperial

>>15229831
The pounds is canceled out. If the rocket has a higher twr than 1 then it will can for shorter than the isp in seconds, and vice versa.

>>15229845
Divided by the pounds-force of propellant burned. Both cancel and give you seconds.
You can just as easily say that in metric, Isp is given in units of newton-seconds per newton.

>>15229850
>then it will can for shorter
then it can burn*

>>15229850
>>15229852
Yes, people cancel the pounds but they really shouldn't since they represent different quantities. It's like the Hubble constant: kilometers per second per megaparsec. The two units of length could cancel but they don't because then you'd end up with s^-1 and that makes no sense.

>>15229869
>and that makes no sense
shut up and calculate

>>15229869
Seconds still makes sense in this case, since ISP is also the time it takes an engine to burn through propellant which weighs an amount equal to its force. So a rocket with 200 lbf of thrust and an ISP of 300 will burn through 200 lbs of propellent in 300 seconds.

> Differentiated from the DC-100 series by a 40% increase in size, upper body windows and fixed wings, the redesigned DC-200 is expected to be flight-tested without a crew in late 2025 - and with astronauts onboard in 2026. Although design details are yet to be finalized, the DC-200 is likely to be configured with lower body-mounted wings and twin-canted tails, similar to the Boeing X-37, and will feature a simpler outer mold line without the pronounced upper-body hump of the baseline version.

2025/2026 isn’t going to happen is it

>>15229889
Looks way better than the original dreamchaser design, the hump was always stupid

>>15229889
lol no

>>15229889

https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1629538776111280130

>>15229908
oh my fucking god

>>15229883
Which is not really a useful piece of information, is it?

Does anyone have the pics of the Chinese falcon heavy clones? There were 2 different Chinese companies working on exact replicas of FH

>>15229921
more than 2, there's about 10-20

>>15229908
>it's a real tweet

>>15229921
The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own. I don't think it gave life to the orcs, it only ruined them and twisted them.

>>15229908
Elon confirmed furfag

>>15229474
>anon never replied and avoids the question
many such cases

>>15229941
Why waste the time?

>>15229921
Fuck there are like 5+ of them

>>15229908
why are rich people furfags?

>>15229946

>>15229942
Yeah, it's like claiming to avoid wasting time, while posting on a time wasting forum. Why waste the time indeed.

>>15229950

>>15229958

>>15229961
It’s all so tiresome

>>15229558
I’m glad this area is still referred to as gunrange lol

>>15229963
Wtf in middle

>>15229908
elon stop

>>15229963
The SQX-3A is a horrible looking monster of a design and I really hope they try it. Uncomfortable ideas like this and the H-IIA-212 have been floating around untested for too long.

>>15229963
kek

>>15229985
did it work?

>>15229983
Energia?

>>15229986
yes, actually

>>15229951
why waste time on things that are personally uninteresting to me. like answering your stupid questions?

I started playing KSP before there was map view or time warp. There were like 6 items total. Had to leave the game on for like 40 minutes to know if you were in orbit.
Those were the days.

>>15229987
Energia was just a side mounted payload. This weirdness is asymmetrical boosters with an in-line payload.

Can't wait for Blorgin to bid for NSSL Lane 2 despite it being tailor-made for ULA and SpaceX

>>15230009
>friendship ended with ULA
>now BLUE ORIGIN is my best friend

>>15230006
Fuji pancake

>>15230009
ABL will eat their lunch
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1629190538908893189?s=20

>>15230029
"Larger" just means larger than 1.4mt to LEO. Knowing ABL I'd expect something uncomplicated in the same weight class as the Antares 100 or Falcon 9 1.0. They're not going to jump from a Falcon 1 equivalent right to a modern Falcon 9 or New Glenn. Something in the 6-12mt range would give them more than enough capacity to complete for the less demanding NSSL payloads.

>>15229908
furcurious

>>15230062
Knowing their whole "simplicity" thing, you're probably right. They could probably throw together a maybe-someday-partially-reusable kerolox medium lifter (like pic rel) in a couple years and still win market for a bit.

>>15229908
classic

I am a shadelet idk how to do highlights and shadows properly

>>15229831
>pounds
gay retard

Will we ever see heavy lift launches from the Pacific spaceport in Alaska?

>>15229831
What
It works the exact same if you’re using kilogram and kilogram force

Will there really be a need for all of these manned vehicles?

>>15230251
maybe some other countries can borrow a few of the spares.

>>15229977
They saw this

>>15230183
No, it's too cursed.

>>15229609
problem with that idea is that everything new and interesting is top secret
even the old stuff is still classified
we don't know how KH-11 even looks and that's 70s tech

>>15230284
Like Hubble.

>>15230251
Manned vehicles that small? No. Half of them will be gone by mid 2030 as larger, cheaper and more efficient spacecraft are developed.

>>15229946
what's with the chode on the right

>>15230251
I hate skid plate landing gear.
>>15230251
Practice for making reusable Moon landers and shit?

>>15230251
That all depends on how many post-ISS there are. If there's just one then there's probably enough of a market to support two spacecraft. It helps things that Europe, India, and maybe Japan are talking about stations of their own, but it doesn't help that all of those are paired with their own domestic crew spacecraft; Nyx, SUSIE, Gaganyaan, etc.

>>15230251
It's more or less impossible not to sound like a fanboy saying this, but without the crippling limitations of SRBs and a capability to keep iterating on the orbiters for several successive generations of flight articles, Starship is poised to realize all of the economic realities that were expected of the Space Shuttle in the 1970s but with much lower prices than even the optimistic estimates for the Space Transportation System.

>>15230251
No, only starship. Although Orion will be around for a while even if they have to crane it out of the starship cargo bay down to the lunar surface. Dragon will probably be around for a bit too because NASA will seethe about manrating starship.

>>15228432
Did KSP2 improve upon the first one in any meaningful way?

>>15230339
more polygons and shaders bro

>>15230284

>>15230107
Do you take requests

>>15230183
It'd probably be too hard to transport. Has a vehicle too big for a C-130 ever flown from there? It would be kino though.

https://vimeo.com/775667771

space war

>>15230402
I don't think Kodiak has the infrastructure to get heavy-lift rocket parts shipped in. The largest thing they've ever launched was a Minotaur IV, and that's not that much bigger than RS1 or Athena I. If you really wanted to do heavy lift from Alaska the first thing you'd need is seaport a dock that ULA could dock rocketship at.

>>15229917
It tells you how long the rocket can hover in Earth gravity which is cool but useless.

>>15230430
Is there no available port?

>>15230442
There's a port, and in fact ABL has a video of the second stage being transported from the port to the launch site. The thing is though that they're linked by 45 miles of winding road, which something like the Falcon 9 transport may have trouble navigating.

>>15230285
>>15230350
exactly my point
"something like Hubble" is all we know
nobody ever released any photo from clean room, official render or anything like that

>>15230402
Build an upper-stage Starship derived booster with no payload bay, a detachable nosecone and flaps. Slap it on top of a regular Superheavy and launch it into orbit, then have it deorbit and land at the Alaska site directly. Then launch a traditional Starship and land it there as well and stack it on the derpy booster. EZ

>>15230297
It looks like the bastard child of New Shepard and Dragon.

>>15230402
You could E2E it there! But then you'd still have a crappy inclination to launch it from.

>>15230469
Was shitposting with this but it makes me wonder, if you pulled the outer ring of Raptors off a Superheavy and added a one-time-use interstage, could you stack it on top of a regular Superheavy (partially fueled) and launch it to orbit? Since it has no payload, would it have enough spare delta-v to do a beefy entry burn to survive reentry without tiles?

All you would need to do is launch a follow-up Starship loaded with the missing Raptors and you suddenly could have a full stack ready to go at any remote launch site, no ports or SPMTs required.

>>15229946
>SpaceX regrets putting resources into FH
>China, incapable of learning lessons, proceeds to copy SpaceX verbatim

>>15230469
or just use a boat

>>15230485
I suppose in retrospect it'd be a lot easier to just do a suborbital hop of a booster with no upper stage, assuming you can get authorization to launch direct towards your destination.
I Just wanna see a Superheavy stacked on top of a Superheavy.

>>15230339
not at this point, other than better graphics
in fact a lot of features are missing

>>15230442
>Welcome to the bustling seaport your rocket will be delivered to!

>>15230543
Kourou was entirely built from scratch, Native american village with no road to world's third space center.

Git gud

>>15230339
It has a girl who talks to you in such a way as to cause parasexual confusion in the young males who are the target playebase.

>>15230426
>first hard sci fi war series is going to be done by some lone chink making everything in his basement
fucking based. I wish we had children of a dead earth 2 with this sort of detail

>>15230426
why does this actually look good?

>>15230560
The CSG was built because the Europeans didn't already have a Cape Canaveral or Vandenberg, and their other options were either South Vietnam or Somalia.

>>15230245
Nuh-uh. That gives you N s / kg.

>>15230458
It's not "something like Hubble" it's Hubble. Hubble is literally a KH-11 with different sensors aboard.

>>15230536
the graphics aren't better, they're just a little different. ksp with mods looks better.

>>15230426
>https://vimeo.com/775667771
nice find, hope he does a whole movie

>>15230636
And N = kg m/s^2
So N s / kg reduced to m/s which makes a hell of a lot more sense as a unit of specific impulse

>>15229639
>Its all bot central for military youtube channels.
the future of the internet is bots

>>15230650
yeah, that's just the exhaust velocity
i don't know why ISP is used in the first place

>>15229908
https://old.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/11btzxn/elon_tweeting_out_cropped_gay_furry_porn/
EnoughMuskSpam trannies think "trap" is a slur

>>15230636
>N s / kg
finally ISP units that make sense

>>15230659
uh isn't it though?

>>15229908
That's more of a mouse twink though

>>15230664
Everything is a slur if you say it right.

>>15230659
>b-but he stole a meme! he can't do that!
also go back

>>15230659
Slurs are good.

Ea*ther

>>15230590
why don't they build a launch site on the red line or specifically the yellow dot? the black sea makes for a long splash zone followed by low pop shitholes, the caspian and then more shitholes. It'd be lower than baikonur and you don't have to ship your rockets to the other side of the earth.

>>15230676
Dracula lives there, no one wants him to get his hands on a rocket

>>15230676
>Bulgaria

>>15230676
Because until 1989 Bulgaria was a Warsaw Pact nation with a communist government.

The Black Sea is also better than the Med in terms of shipping traffic, but it's still pretty crowded.

>>15230676
They should reclaim the western half of Constantinople and use it to launch rockets. If there's a failure the only lifeforms downrange are roaches.

>>15230658
Because airbreathing jet engines exist

>>15230668
For example, observe:
"Nigger"

>>15230676
Safety margin. Personally I wouldn't cry much if we dropped spent stages on Russian cities at this point.

>>15230669
Of all the psychotic ranting that the anti-Musk cult says, the idea that you can "steal" a meme has to be the most retarded. Memes are meant to be shared. Who ever credits the original maker when sharing it?

>>15229908
why does he have to be such a giant faggot?

>>15229908
I'll give it two weeks before he starts krystalposting.

>>15229908
BASED

https://youtu.be/5Mm2gyNj3IE
History

>>15230688
if they can build a site in french guyana or fucking florida I'm sure they can manage bulgaria

>>15230893
>current version of the starship cargo variant is structurally comprosied
it's over

uhhh do they literally not have reentry heating in ksp2 ?

>>15230939
please understand

>>15230939
they've been so busy laying the groundwork for multiplayer and colonization and interstellar and all the amazing features that will 100% for sure be available at some unspecified point in the future. and it's just an alpha test build that doesn't reflect on the final product at all anyway. and $50 is seriously not that much these days. and the tutorials are FANTASTIC.

Northrop recently said they probably wouldn’t build the station unless they got an operator for it, saying they are in the manufacturing business and not really experienced in station operations.

Who could possibly operate the Northrop station for them?

>>15230939
small family company

>>15230947
how do i turn that shit off i wanna kms

>>15230957
it's in the settings when you start a new sandbox. i like how one of the big selling points was that they spent a bunch of effort to make it more "accessible" (read: something girls can play) than ksp1 and then it turns out you basically need a 4090 to play it

>>15230947
Genuinely can't tell if this post is being ironic or not.

>>15230973
Doesn’t even look that good.
I hate game developers

>>15230949
Fuck, none of the CLD bidders want to do any actual work. They just wanna collect the NASA paycheck and pretend to care about commercialization while subcontracting the hard work out. Is there any actual hope for commercial space stations?

>>15230973
>>15230947
god I hate this "new onboarding" bullshit
spacegames don't need accessibility, they need autism.

>>15228066
>24km altitude
>0km/s horizontal dV
>"""space"""

>>15230986
Axiom is the only one who is serious with actual hardware under construction

Nanoracks raised another 80 million bucks for theirs but no hardware

>>15230973
So I cant turn it off then without starting a new campaign?

>>15230985
Looks qualitatively worse than modded KSP.

>>15231010
there may be a way to do that but i haven't yet discovered it if so

I tried ksp2

It emulates perfectly the feeling of playing a heavily modded 0.22 interplanetary ksp save. I'm feeling nostalgic.

>>15231003
Axiom is the king of newspace middlemen. Is there a single thing they don't contract out? Those modules are being built by Thales Alenia, just like NG's would be.

>>15230995
Season 2 when
>>15231026
they are professional astronaut trainers. they know how to buy Dragon flights. Do you?

>>15230905
Bulgaria has corruption on a scale you can't even imagine
>Florida is... le bad!
Childish

>>15231037
>t.floridian

How long until an actual Starship clone takes physical form?

The chinese got at least 3 clones in development

>>15231046
2 weeks

>>15231046
>The chinese got at least 3 clones in development
no they dont lol

>>15230356
I can yeah

>>15231046
How long until one of these "private" design bureaus produces any sort of notable rocket? Zhuque 2 isn't terrible, but nobody would care if it wasn't methalox.

>>15231057
Wait until SpaceX completes starship

>>15231014
Call pixelart and the recent interest in PS1-style graphics “Reddit” if you want but I think it’s a positive countering force to the suicidal drive for photorealism

>>15231057
>nobody would care if it wasn't methalox
China cares. They've been lusting after the idea of a non-hypergolic LM-2C for years.

>>15230330
If only Starship TSTO, steel, multi engine, multi-iteration architecture was what NASA went with in the first place decades ago

>>15231046
PowerPoint is not a development.

>>15230949
They can fuck off they're already making the Gateway, NASA should elim them from CLD

>>15231076
The recent wave of PS1-inspired graphics has been awesome
On a [sort-of] related note, I was thinking in the shower this morning about how you could have totally made KSP on the N64. You would, of course, be severely limited by polygon count / draw distance with lots of fog. And you'd have to do some very, very clever trickery where Kerbin and the other planets basically turn into a flat 2D texture after you leave the clouds. But it would have been possible to fit something like KSP 1 onto a single N64 cart (it would be very different than the game we have now though)

>>15231108
NASA should eliminate CLD altogether and restart a commercial LEO program from scratch

>>15231113
Honestly I think Nanoracks and Axiom will win, maaybe Orbital Reef too not counting on it

>>15231117
oh wait Axiom isn't in CLD, so they are a good fallback option if CLD fails entirely or is cancelled I guess

>>15231110
I’d be pretty interested in a space travel simulation game with stylized early 3D graphics; like Quake-tier stuff but with the modern luxuries of high resolution and luxurious render distance.

>>15230858
That would be so based the internet would collapse

>>15231076
>I think it’s a positive countering force to the suicidal drive for photorealism
If video games are art, then they should play to the medium's strengths like any other form of art. Chiptune/FM synth/tracker music and pixel/low-poly graphics are more honest because they don't try to pretend to be something they're not. Besides, we're hitting the wall on silicon transistor density soon even for GPUs. I can see room sized holodecks driving for photorealism, but "PC games" as such are about done on that front.

>>15231130
No goyim you need a $1500 graphics card to run products

>>15230543
A low launch cadence rocket doesn't really need more than one dock

>>15231130
Video games can be immersive without being VR. Part of the medium's strength is that it allows people to empathize with and project onto their characters in a way which film, books, etc. could never hope to accomplish. I don't think photorealism should be the only style, but for major story-driven games I still like it. It definitely has diminishing returns though.

>>15230442
>>15230543
It's at the wrong end of the island. You'd have to ship it by road through wilderness populated by the world's largest grizzly bears. Astra could get away with that because the rocket fit on a standard flatbed trailer.

>>15231193
NTA and this is so off topic but nothing else is going on. Just a few random thoughts:
>VR
hilarious how lots of people took a gamble on it being the "next thing" like 3D TVs and it failed
>[Video game] medium's strength
Exactly. Being in control of characters is very neat. Which blows my mind that something like The Last of Us was reportedly supposed to be a TV series/movie originally, the creative team decided it would work better as a video game (it did), and then they go and make a TV show anyways. Dumb
>Photorealism... story driven games
Yeah but there are lots of examples of cartoony or stylized games with great stories too. I just finished the first telltale walking dead game. I was very moved. It's even better than the show

>>15231207
I said story driven, but I was really thinking of open world games. I don't think the aesthetic of just sitting back and taking in the environment for a few seconds can be matched by cartoony games. Also why I'm unironically looking forward to Starfield.

>>15230720
What?

Firefly static fired a booster today

>>15230676
Why would France allow that? Europe doesn't have a cadence that requires multiple facilities, so it'd have to cannibalize France's investment in GSC.

>>15231207
>I just finished the first telltale walking dead game. I was very moved
Whatever you do, avoid the subsequent games

Why did they build a spaceport on some remote island off the coast of Alaska?

Why not put it on the mainland of Alaska? Is there enough population and workers to maintain it?

>>15231232
Shit, the land is nice though

>>15231232
Part of the deal was creating jobs for the Kodiak Bears which live on the island.

>>15231232
All the inhabited parts of Alaska have worse launch corridors for polar launch.

>>15231239
Damn we got a launch complex here. So underrated. If launch cadence was greater from Kodiak it would be an awesome place to retire and watch rocket launches

>>15231244
A bear's work is never done.

>>15231003
Still hoping for that Cyclone 4M upper based station.

>>15231239
That's pretty expensive for such a remote area.

>>15231279
It's really pretty.

>>15231279
There's an airport and a seaport in relatively close proximity. It's remote, but it's not really remote by Alaska standards.

>>15231279
it's probably not cheap to hook up a place like that with utilities

>>15231292
Starlink makes it cheaper.

Ah geez these guys are still around?

>>15231365
Lol they’re saying they will have a commercial station in 2025

When will these startups ever learn

>>15231365
>>15231377
The point isn't to build hardware, I don't think

>>15231365
>>15231377
>>15231380
It seems like they scrubbed any mention of voyager station or their other outrageous technologies and are focusing on this small station

Those were some ridiculous concepts. This is more grounded in reality. My guess is they now have actual investor funding and need to do realistic shit from here on out

Hello anons, been writing a bit of an argumentative thesis style paper, mostly for myself, to flesh out some thoughts on what you need to be doing over the next few decades to maximize your chances of being one of the earliest people off this shithole planet. Mostly concerned with the skills, education and aptitudes that anyone with a brain should be putting high or right at the top of their selection lists for candidates. I'll drop it here later tonight or tomorrow if anyone is interested.

Also if anyone has the reasons to live pepe that ends with this image, I would appreciate it, cheers bros.

>>15231385
The Pioneer-class station seems like a reasonable first design... right up until you start to think about how neither the Dragon or Dream Chaser were designed to be hanging from their docking ports in 0.5g for any length of time, let alone a full crew rotation period of 6+ months. There is no way those IDA ports are rated for those forces. Even worse, for Dream Chaser "down" is pointing out the nose which is an origination it was never designed to be in at any point, let alone a period where you'd be loading or unloading crew and cargo. This is a huge mess.

>>15231399
Why not just dock them along a central axis? It's retarded. It's also never going to be built, it's just grift.

>>15231390
Read Casey’s blog or his book.
https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2018/09/03/how-to-industrialize-mars/

Mars exports will be high value low mass goods, easy targets are:
>very good software
>some kind of media or production

Useful side skills:
>health knowledge such as first aid, basics of nurse care, basics of dentistry and how to perform simple procedures
And/or
>some trade such as installing or repairing computers, vehicles, machines, electrical installations, etc

Whatever you choose knowing how to operate an excavator will come in handy at some point.

>>15231411
>very good software
>some kind of media or production
And the reason Earth can no longer produce media or very good software is...?

>>15231413
Too many diversity hires on earth.
Mars is whites only.