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What really goes on when two of these things "merge"? It's said that a significant proportion of a black hole's mass is radiated away in the form of gravitational waves. But how does this mass pass through the event horizon? Moreover, could mergers of black holes supply any clues about the nature of matter inside the event horizon (ie. could observations of quantum effects around the edges of black holes tell us whether it's comprised of elementary particles, strings, or just no matter - a singularity). If I'm asking the wrong questions, redpill me.

>> No.15222602 [DELETED] 

what is it about black holes that makes them the number one most popular popsci topic of discussion amongst the brainlet soience fangoys?
is it the comic bookish aspects of the spectacular, unrealistic and completely non disprovable conjectures which go along with the topic that make black holes so popular amongst the scientist posers and wannabes?

>> No.15222611

>>15222583
>>15222602
It turns into a bigger black hole. This is what supermassive black holes are. Black holes still retain mass. Nothing ever happens 2 more weeks.

>> No.15222633

>>15222583
>a significant proportion of a black hole's mass is radiated away
No, it's angular momentum that gets radiated away as gravitational waves. The mass of the merged black hole is equal to the masses of the two original black holes. As for the "inside the event horizon" stuff, bear in mind that black holes have no insides. Everything about them is smeared out over the event horizon.

>> No.15222639

>>15222633
And angular velocity is infinite.

>> No.15222643

>>15222639
lolwhut

>> No.15222687

>>15222602
what is it about this generic reply post on every post about black holes that makes it the number one most popular popsci reply post amongst the brainlet soience fangoys?
is it saying phrases like comic bookish aspects of the spectacular, unrealistic and completely non disprovable conjectures that make these reply posts to every post about black holes so popular amongst the scientist posers and wannabes?

>> No.15222703 [DELETED] 

>>15222643
schrodinger ignored a lot of physical realities in order to develop his splashy, outlandish and completely useless "black hole" theory, he did this because he was an attention hungry soi faggot rather than a person of integrity. other people didn't fail to come up with the idea because schrodinger outwitted them, instead they neglected to dabble in schrodinger's style of flamboyant gay antics because they had self respect and were honest people.

>> No.15222708
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I agree with the first guy. I don’t think black holes exist. What the heck is infinite density?

Too bad we can never travel to see ourselves

The jesuruselm boys love their man Einstein.

>> No.15222709

>>15222703
Yes.

>> No.15222710

>>15222602
I already called you a nigger in another thread yet you still post the same schizo rambling. I don't expect you to have passed high school physics.

>> No.15222712

>>15222710
high school?

>> No.15222737

>>15222708
> infinite density
Stop thinking pop-sci explanations is what physicists actually believe. None of them think there is really a singularity. Infinities appearing in the equations simply means that is where they no longer apply.

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Singularity? Dude cosmology has lots of inconsistencies in it.

Mathematics is a creation of the mind. It cannot be used to describe nature in its entirety, it has its limits

This type of thinking is dogmatic and hurts real scientific discovery wasting time on unprovable concepts, like black holes or Hawking radiation.

How does black holes help the human race?

>> No.15223029

>>15222583
The event horizon is just an imaginary point we dictate to be the planck moment at which a photon on any trajectory can not escape the gravitational pull at the center of what we deem a black hole.

Gravity as we know it right now, is just the contour of the medium (space-time).

Gravity itself is not bound to gravitational exertion. (As far as we can prove with current data.)
So, therefore, gravitational effects that pass the imaginary event horizon boundary have no bearing on the physical laws as we know them, and there is nothing preventing that interaction.

The mass itself does not need to propagate the horizon, it just needs to distort the space-time.

Mass moves the shape of the medium. The event horizon is a fixed boundary on that medium, so even when mass distorts it, that boundary definition does not really change. It remains the planck boundary at which photons can not escape the pull from the center of the black hole. Even if space-time distorts from gravitational waves causing ripples, the definition of the locale, remains.

The only way "mass" or "energy" escapes event horizons over typical black hole interactions is via hawking radiation.

Anything else, involves monstrous gravitational forces flinging mass or energy out, via forces that overtake the event horizon force.

Strong enough magnetic fields, strong enough normal force, weak points in the event horizon caused by internal mass distribution variance.

There are ways that other mass or energy can appear to "exit" an event horizon, but in such cases, either that area was not truly the event horizon, or additional forces outside of just gravity by itself are at play on the baryonic matter and it's constituents.

The observational distance that we maintain this data for, is gross, so we really can't say with dead certainty on any of this, this is best guess science until we have more appropriate data in the future.

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>black holes can have different size event horizons
>but every black hole has an infinitely small singularity at its center
>two black holes merging are just two singularities entering close orbit and never truly fusing because it's impossible
>more black holes can merge, making the center a chaos of orbiting singularities
imagine a singularity escaping the black hole, sling shot out by the mass of the other singularities

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>>15222710
>>15222687
>BTFO by ancient copypasta so badly the janny had to make you look better

Just stop replying to it lol. Not that you could retort it anyway.

>> No.15223073

>>15222583
What would happen if a black hole were formed entirely from antimatter and it merged with a black hole formed entirely of regular matter?

>> No.15223098

>>15223073
a normal merger
black holes are just gravity wells, there are no matter or anti matter involved for an annihilation

>> No.15223127

>>15223098
Surely there is an object at the center of every black hole and not a singularity. Why would black holes have different masses if there is no mass there?

>> No.15223906

bump for science

>> No.15224049

>>15222633
Angular momentum appears as one part of the "first law of thermodynamics" of black holes, and so if it really does decrease, the energy can decrease too.

The second part of your post makes me think you really aren't so certain about your first claim either though

>> No.15225320

>>15223127
the only thing inside the event horizon is the singularity crushing matter into nothing