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>>15220412
Every type of energy is subsidized to some degree or another. "Fossil" fuel subsidies are some of the least costly compared to their economic input.

>>15220424
>Fossil" fuel subsidies are some of the least costly compared to their economic input.

There is absolutely no way you could call a subsidized industry economic.

The only reason they're cheap is because our taxes made them that way

>>15220412
Oil, gas and coal are not subsidized. Oil, gas and coal are what creates any wealth anyone ever had.
The alleged subsidies are not real and amount to imaginary unpaid taxes that librals say energy companies should pay even if they are not mandated to do so by any law.

>>15220449
You cant really "buy" oil, gas and coal. They are free. Each time you "pay" for gas you are getting free money, 1$ of gas equals $100 in your pocket.

>>15220556
>>15220561
>>15220556
Holy fuck you're all retarted

>comic from 1904
>oil company has firm grip on US goverment
>117 YEAR of oppression and domination from big oil
>and OP wonders why

>>15220412
the same reason the mafia doesn't pay income tax

>>15221039
Standard Oil was broken up by government decree in 1911.

>>15221533
>the mafia

>>15221535
correct, and instead of a monopoly, it's now a syndicate

>>15221011
>post a graph where Venezuela increaseing its gas cost from 1 cent to 2 cents/liter makes it green
>why aren't we like Venezuela lol?
speak for yourself. one of the dumbest ops ive seen in awhile. are you in fucking middle school?

>>15220412
An addict will never stop without outside intervention.

>>15220412
American hegemony depends on their ability to control the oil supply. Green energy directly undermines US political power.

>>15221834
i quit smoking because i wanted to see if i could run four miles under 25 mintues

Oil is the only reason you have any money. Its basically free money because it makes possible the creation of wealth 100 times larger than the pittance you pay at the pump. Without oil you would pay 0 taxes because you would be dead, so it can't be subsidized, oil subsidizes you. Oil should be 20 times more expensive and it would still be basically free money.

>>15221552
As it turns out, theft isn't sustainable
Long term it's neither profitable nor stable.

Banking is more stable, especially if all the locals refuse to compete. Instant monopoly for lotsa profit

>>15222063
Man, this reads like so much dogma
>Oil is the saviour. All comes from oil! Praise be Oil!

>>15222124
A barrel of oil contains the energy of 3 years of human labor. All of this for 50-$100 USD. Its a bargain even at $2.000 a barrel, what do you complain that not enough of this pittance is taken in taxes?

>>15221828
>Straw man
I didn't say we should be like Venezuela, because Venezuela still subsidizes oil


Also this>>15221783

>>15222383
>because Venezuela still subsidizes oil
Venezuelan oil industry belongs to the government. Are you saying the government of venezuela subsidizes itself?
Like, the government of Venezuela takes money from the government of Venezuela and gives it to the government of Venezuela?

>>15222800
>Are you saying the government of venezuela subsidizes itself?
>Like, the government of Venezuela takes money from the government of Venezuela and gives it to the government of Venezuela?

Yes, It's exactly what I'm saying.
You can't use tax money to subsidize a dying industry.

That's not how the free market works

>>15220412
>Why haven't we stopped subsidizing fossil fuels like other countries did
in Portugal fossil fuels are heavily taxed already

>>15223343
>fossil fuels are heavily taxed

The Portuguese government still hands out money to the oil industry even though it's text

>>15223372
Payment for fuel is not a subsidy

>>15220449
Actually gasoline is directly taxed over 150% in European countries, far exceeding any meager subsidies given to the industry.

>>15221835
>Green energy directly undermines US political power.
So why is the GAE forcing everyone to adopt it at gunpoint?

>>15223486
OIl is free, the more you buy the wealthier you are. The price doesnt matter because money isnt real but energy is, and a society rich in energy is physically rich so you can have manufacture and transport. Subsidies, taxes and price are fake electronic numbers at some bank, in real life theres only supply of energy.

>>15220412
because our government has, long ago, been purchased by multinational mega corporations. They own the people who make the regulations; they own the regulators.

We get to vote, but the government still doesn't do what we want - we don't grease their pockets.

>>15223480
It is if the government is paying for it

>>15223585
>because our government has, long ago, been purchased by multinational mega corporations. They own the people who make the regulations; they own the regulators.
Hence why green psyops are mandated throughout the entire West.

>>15223716
So when the government does thing its bad?

>>15224408
Yes.

>>15220412
Maybe they just stopped subsidizing them in a narrow sense of the word to fool the normies.
They can just indirectly subsidize them by subsidizing anything else which saves people money that they then use to buy the "unsubsidized" fossil fuel.
They can also "subsidize" them by the way they structure trade deals.

Anytime the government appears to be taking an action for the good of whatever ideological cause at the expense of economics or any other tangible the powerful care about, you always need to check if there is a way they left available to effectively undo the effects of the action.

There are usually many parallel paths between any two points in the circuit.
They stick a resistor in one of the paths to win your praise then divert flow to any of the parallel paths to continue business as usual.

Grow up and stop clapping for the shadows on the wall of the cave.

>>15221552
>he doesn't know Bank of America basically formed from the mafia

>>15220412
could fossil fuel industry bribe corrupt politicians?
asking for a friend

>>15220412
>we should copy countries like mxico, african shitholes, indian, china, etc.
>t. street shitter

>>15223487
GAE = Georgia Association of Educators?

>>15225027
Tax breaks are not subsidies. Not taking money from someone isnt giving someone money

>>15225027
>could fossil fuel industry bribe corrupt politicians

Yes, ever heard of lobbying?

>>15220412
Because oil is important to US interests. Holy fuck this thread is over thinking it.

Why do the mice keep asking for cheese?

I already gave them cheese.