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15209718 No.15209718 [Reply] [Original]

In shooter hypothesis, a hunter shoots at a target creating a hole every ten centimeters. Intelligent beings living on the target propose a law : there is a hole in the universe at every ten centimetres. In farmer hypothesis, a farmer feeds his turkeys at 11 am everyday. A scientist turkey hypothesizes : food arrives at 11 am everyday. On thanksgiving day, food does not arrive. Instead, the farmer collects the turkeys and kills them all.
We see the effects of physics, but not ever the cause. It is up to us to use inductive reasoning (e.g. the scientific method) to "prove" what is going on, but we can really only prove what isn't going on. If a hyperintelligent and technologically advanced alien society did physics magic in front of a scientific but tech-dumb species, whether without motivation/intention/contact (i.e. shooter) or with intentions (i.e. farmer), incorrect laws would likely be induced by the tech-dummies that would later (or never) be correctly disproved.

>> No.15209729
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15209729

Speculation about things we can't investigate is a waste of time. Philosophy is just pseud talk of no relevance. Science works. Deal with it.

>> No.15209730

>>15209718
>>>/x/

>> No.15209924

>>15209729
unironical brainlet

>> No.15209935

>>15209718
gemerald and FACT

>> No.15209945

>>15209718
Science irrecoverably BTFO.

>> No.15209956

>>15209718
Science works and gives results, philosophy is just verbal masturbation without any practical use

>> No.15209958

>>15209718
True
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_induction
The philosophy of science outs it all as a farce

>> No.15209967

>>15209729
wave functions are pseud talk of no relevance, the wave function is not actual physics just statistics like data science and wolf street does, theres no real result better than what >>>/biz/ can come up with

>> No.15209972

>>15209718
Your pic is dumb. The copenhagen interpretation makes no claim about the goings on before measurement. It's a math tool which calculates AS IF there were a wave there .There are not defined spacetime values prior to measurement because there is no objective, observer independent wave function floating around somewhere in an observer independent world prior to measurement. It's a render on demand reality.

>> No.15209975

The Inferiority complexes and cognitive dissonances of philosocucks never cease to amuse me

>> No.15209982

>>15209718
The only person more dissapointed in a philosopher than a scientist is his Mother.

>> No.15209984
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>>15209967
Then why are wave functions macroscopically observable, huh?

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>>15209984
Bitch comin atcha with the Bose Einstein condensate, what now boiiiiii????

>> No.15210113

>>15209718
Are you saying we are all Turkey scientists?

>> No.15210123

>>15209924
Look at all the batshit crazy stuff that's come out philosophy and other forms of thinking about existence. What has any of it really produced? A few nuggets of hold at the cores of planet sized shit-piles?

>> No.15210130

>>15210113
The world belongs to trisolaris.

>> No.15210139

>>15210123
the book Process and Reality

>> No.15210142

>>15209718
I'VE SEEN THINGS YOU PEOPLE

WON'T BELIEVE

SOON YOUR PLANET NOW WILL VANISH

>> No.15210145

>>15209718
Why does the wave carry energy that can be measured? Checkmate retard.

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I'M NOT A TURKEY, IF I'M A TURKEY WHO IS THE FARMER?!

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>>15210378

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>>15210378
It was me, Barry! I put the feed in your trough every morning!

>> No.15210442

>>15210142
nearing the end of the series now, it's been a great ride
it really captured what I imagined when I read the book in many ways, especially the computer game

>> No.15210463

>>15210442
It was as faithful an adaptation of hard(ish) sci-fi that's ever been attempted.

>>>/tv/180707591

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>>15210463
I guess we have to face it sooner or later, this is what we all are

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>>15209984
>>15209729

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>>15210531

>> No.15211090

>>15210531
The Dawkins quotes here are fine.

>> No.15211214

The irony is that people who hate on philosophers would probably agree with the philosophy of the shittiest modern "philosophers." It's all just various flavors of Atheist cope.

>> No.15211237

>>15211214
Yeah, like fucking Althusser and Wittgenstein.

>> No.15212384

>>15209729
retard

>> No.15212385

>>15211214
>The irony is that people who hate on philosophers would probably agree with the philosophy of the shittiest modern "philosophers."
The actual irony is that they make philosophical arguments to justify their hatred of philosophy, albeit ad hoc and retarded ones.

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>>15212385
My hatred against philosophy is entirely based on my deep knowledge about philosophy. You cannot provide a single philosophical insight that is neither trivial nor wrong and retarded.

>> No.15212508

>>15212497
Your hatred against philosophy is based on your anti-human firmware, but your rationalizations are just shit-tier, ad hoc philosophy.

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>>15212508
>xe still doesn't know about muh metaphilosophy
You're acting as if it was your highest goal in life to remain as ignorant as possible.

>> No.15212522

>>15212513
Does your opposition to philosophy have some intellectual content or are you just seething over it like an animal? If it's the former, justify your opposition to it without invoking some shit-tier ad hoc philosophy.

>> No.15212527

>>15212522
Philosophy is devoid of any intellectual depth. This is not an "ad hoc philosophy", this a universal fact.

>> No.15212529

>>15212527
>Philosophy is devoid of any intellectual depth
What's "intellectual depth" and why is it bad that philosophy lacks it? Explain without invoking shit-tier, ad hoc philosophy. (You will foam at the mouth like an animal in your next post)

>> No.15212543

>>15212529
>What's "intellectual depth"
You wouldn't understand.
>and why is it bad that philosophy lacks it?
It just is, okay?

>> No.15212551

>>15212543
In other words, you're just seething like an animal and your position has no actual substance.

>> No.15212557

>>15212551
I won the argument and you're too much of an autistic coward to admit it.

>> No.15212560

>>15212557
You are losing your mind with impotent rage because you immediately got yourself into a corner where you can't substantiate your statement without shit-tier, ad hoc philosophy.

>> No.15212562

>>15212560
Obvious facts don't need to be substantiated, coward.

>> No.15212566

>>15212562
>animalistic seething continues
Thanks for demonstrating the nature of nonsentient animals. You can't say I didn't give you a chance to do better. :^)

>> No.15212570

>>15212566
Boring.

>> No.15212738

>>15209718
Unironically many physicists also agree with this interpretation. However your point about philosophy is retarded. If you actually follow the history of physics and philosophy you will notice a lot of exchange and symbiosis. In any case you sound like a person who doesn't know what you're talking about. You wouldn't tell a proficient Baker how to bake his cakes. Stick to your lane schizo.

>> No.15212759

>>15209718
Clearly. So what?