/sci/ - Science & Math

Peenus

Arianes are the best rockets

Soooo FAA license status?

>>15198328
When are the eurofags going to launch someone into space by themselves? They are going to be beaten by pajeets lmao

>>15198332
2 weeks

>>15198332
14 days

>>15198335
In the far-off year 2000!

guys, Biden has confessed that the UAPs are of alien origin, see here: https://files.catbox.moe/k09h2m.mp4

>>15198335
The Exploration Company is planning a cargo capsule for 2026. Crew rating an upgrade is an indeterminate point after that, unless ESA gets desperate for some reason and throws some money at them.

They don't seem to be in much of a rush; their business model seems centered on down-mass for space manufacturing groups, which is a very underserved market right now, with crew launch being a thing that they could do later if there's an interest.

>>15198358
Scientifically they're pretty sexy

https://twitter.com/esaoperations/status/1624901827769630722

>>15198336
>>15198338
I asked for status, not a timeframe. Jeezus you guys are dumb

>>15198371
2 weeks m8

Getting so sick of the normies eating up gates propaganda against starlink.

>>15198371
2 weeks is a status, not a timeframe

>>15198373
Just ask if they believe in owning nothing, eating bugs, not having privacy, not having freedom, not being able to buy anything, living in a communist state, etc

Propaganda can easily be destroyed

>>15198377
Problem is they actually do

>>15198372
>>15198375
it's not a status you retard faggot fucks

>>15198400
Flexito!

>>15198401
squid may tax all satellites that pass above brazil

>>15198373
Ask them how they feel about indigenous Americans not having internet then, lol.

>>15198405
good luck enforcing that, so retarded

Going status?

AYY LMAO

>>15198409
2 weeks

>>15198409
gaaaaaan

>>15198328
non reusable.

>>15198411
VACCUME DERIGIBLE

wtf are these drones? it took two missiles to take out the latest one.
https://twitter.com/Aviation_Intel/status/1624931401895407617

>Kymeta to replace Starlink in Ukraine. Pentagon is setting up deal & other NATO countries will join.
>Kymeta calls elon musk's Ukraine actions ‘egregious’ and 'there’s blood on his hands for that'. They will support SAT services for defensive purposes.
https://twitter.com/shinkir013/status/1624487791420928000
its over

>>15198421
>kymeta
literally who?

>>15198421
Neat but there's no "replacement" because Pentagon isn't contracting Starlink to begin with.

>>15198421
>the article is old and has nothing to do with the current starlink situation. It is misleading
the article is old and has nothing to do with the current starlink situation. It is misleading
>the article is old and has nothing to do with the current starlink situation. It is misleading
nice bait fucker

>>15198421
Oh and Kymeta systems costs ~10X what Starlink does for ground equipment and 100X what it cost per MB of data. Thats right, the systems are measured in MB with those old geostationary system

>>15198355
The current project , dubbed the Star-H,
aims to establish as realistic as possible a database concerning launch vehicles with air breathing propulsion . The concept considered in the first phase of study was a relatively conservative one ,
but one that was intended to be feasible with the technologies at hand at the end of the coming decade , chiefly developed for Hermes.
- the first stage has air breathing propulsion designed by SNECMA/SEP/ONERA,
- the second, throw-away stage uses a cryogenic engine derived from the HM60/Vulcain , propelling an orbital vehicle

With turbo-rocket engines,this vehicle wouldweight 400 tonnes at take off.The first stage weighs140 tonnes empty and carries 140 tonnes of propellant (LH2 and LOX). The second stage and orbiter together weigh 120 tonnes at separation and carry 90 tonnes of propellant (also LH2 and LOX).
The main technical problems have been analyzed on a basic project of this type and have revealed the technologies needed,in particular as concerns the structure and the integration of the propulsion.

1989, National Aerospace Plane Conference - French space plane research, from Hermes to transatmospheric vehicles

>>15198419
Or, you know, someone took a shot and missed

>>15198411
I'll keep continuing to call them chinese spy balloons. Because that's what they are.

>>15198439
I will keep calling them invading UFO's. Because that's what they are.

OH FUCK HERE WE GO

>Top U.S. General says that he hasn't "ruled out anything yet" when asked whether he rules out aliens
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1624932784220385283

>>15198355
>>15198435
Based Sangerchads

>>15198442
https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1624934350763458562

>>15198445
I honeslty thought France just ignored HOTOL/Sanger-like spaceplanes and was focused on Hermes but no not only CNES and Aerospatiale but also Dassault had projects like that (STS 2000, Star-H, TARANIS)

>>15198411
They are trying to make first contact now that we have finally decided to build depots. Their civilization has tried to do it but politics has held them back, now they want to know how we managed to do it

>>15198258
>It actually IS enough to reach orbit in fully expendable mode with the fuel tanks fuelled to ~60%, which gives a TWR of ~1.2 (about the same as saturn V)

>And what's best, it can lift as much as the expendable falcon heavy like that, 50-60 tons.

I fucking love SUPERHEAVY

>>15198421
>bloomberg
>gates
>less than ten million dollars exchanging hands
Literal nothingburger

Any /sfg/ 'We are the only intelligent life, the universe is ours!' posters feeling a little embarrassed rn? You should be lol

Reminder, ISS is roughly the size of one football field.

For comparison, Starlink sats launched are close to 12 ISS/football field size in dimension

geothermal on mars brothers that is the answer
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-03629-3_11
mars is geologically active!
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/nasas-insight-records-monster-quake-on-mars

>>15198440
based

>>15198455
I used the conservative numbers from that DLR paper, if we assume expendable Starship then it actually can cross 100+ tons to LEO from Texas with that thrust level

>>15198440
Not wrong, because the U stands "unidentified".

>>15198421
It could be a best of both worlds situation. Starlink stays off of missiles but provides general comma, and anyone else can do internet for offensive attacks.

Have we seen OneWeb being used in Ukraine?

Despite the fact that this current UFO situation is all just a nothingburger, how would you all like the first contact or discovery of life beyond earth to be? Radio signals coming from interstellar medium? Mega-structures captured by space telescopes? Microbial life on Mars? Complex ocean life beneath Europa/Enceladus?

>>15198470
Super Heavy is so underrated

In the unlikely event Starship doesn't work out it alone can introduce so much new capability for NASA and SpaceX

>>15198479
we already discovered life on venus a few years ago

>>15198479
Much more likely that they find us

>>15198479
for FTL to be real bro I want it so bad

>>15198480
SEXOOOO!

>>15198479
>Microbial life on Mars
If this ends up happening, I wish it does after SpaceX has already established a semi-independent colony there. Otherwise the utter and kilometric redtape that would be generated due to this discovery would make expanding or even setting up the colony in the first place next to impossible. Planetary protection folks won't be happy.

>>15198479
it's going to be something retarded like digits of pi coming from 20,000 lightyears away so we can't even respond

>the object traveled 1700 miles in 12 hours
how? thats 140 miles an hour. is that really a balloon?

>>15198481
Yeah it's amazing. Regardless of whether Starship reuse works, if they can get SH to be reused and relaunched as quickly as a F9 S1 (which I can honestly see happening before Ariane 6 flies lol), they're safely one generation ahead of *anything* any of their competitor are even considering.

>>15198471
But I know what they are, though.

>>15198495
What was the altitude?

>>15198495
Solar/wind powered blimp?

>>15198479
For me it's finding alien ruins on Mars. Bonus points if dated to the past 10k years

>>15198500
it was shot down at 20k feet

so is it aliens?
ever since i played mass effect as a kid i havent seen aliens the same

>>15198495
put an electric engine on that sucker
https://www.elidourado.com/p/cargo-airships
this is the future

>>15198492
Contact (1997) moment. Also, I really liked the scene where the ayylmaos just redirected the 1936 Olympic games signal featuring Hitler right back to us.
(part 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCkbekhUdw4
(part 2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ciK05XqlOw
(part 3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUsACggHyQM

>>15198497
They’ll be two generations ahead imo since almost no one will be properly competitive with F9/H when their “next gen” crap is done. Only neutron which will be very out of date and kind of new glenn only due to its megafairing

>>15198505
It's CIA.

>>15198479
>Microbial life on Mars? Complex ocean life beneath Europa/Enceladus?
No one gives a fuck about microbes or sea anemones anon

>>15198447
Lmfao saved anon

>>15198512
I do. The more common such life is and the lack of any signs of intelligent life will just provide more evidence that God made us. BTW the less evidence we find for any kind of life also is more evidence that God made us.

>>15198505
If it's ayys, we are leading in Domination Victory.

>>15198512
Discovery of life, any kind of life, outside Earth would the greatest and most important discovery ever in the history of our species. It would change everything and redefine our perspective in this world, as well as having impact on every religion and school of thought and philosophy. But yeah, in the day-to-day life of billions of normies, no, it would be all the same for them I guess. And religions would still find a reason to exist, saying that their particular god created that life as well.

Politics has made people into retards. Astronaut or not.

>>15198516
Shamelessly stolen from /tg/.

>>15198535
How can one guy be as based as Elon?

>>15198535
Elon is just wrong here. The only way this ends anywhere besides WW3 is Russia's conventional military being unable to set foot into NATO countries.

>>15198535
uh oh, this is gonna get controversial

What do you guys think triggered the ayys giving us a visit, was it Hubble, JWST, Starship?

>>15198535
why didnt he stick to the itar reasoning?

i think its just russia testing their new generation of weapons

2 Saudi (gov) astronauts going up AX-2 mission.

>>15198542
Ukraine could also just stop killing Russians in breakaway territories and agree to peace.

>>15198547
Scott Kelly knows about ITAR, but either he's playing politics or he's forgotten it. Little rebuke be enough to refresh his own memory.

>>15198550
They tried that in 2014. Russia broke the treaty within a week. They cannot be trusted to abide by agreements anymore.

>>15198548
Wouldn't it make more sense to try it out it Ukraine, first, and not in American airspace?

>>15198550
I think they should kill more Russians, including Russians living abroad, ideally until none remain but I’ll be satisfied if they are simply culled and forced onto reservations

>>15198535
Goodbye FAA launch license.

>>15198461
How long is the livable volume bit though, the truss don't count

>>15198561
>>15198548
Different types of system needed. For US, it maybe just a threat. For Ukraine, there needs to be a direct system necessary.

>>15198556
>They tried that in 2014. Russia broke the treaty within a week.
lmao

>>15198519
what if we find life more intelligent than us and they say god made them?

>>15198561
i think it's a new spy vehicle. they might be using it in ukraine, but it doesn't actually shoot anything right now

>>15198549
I'm not fine with this

Axiom is basically for those who NASA would never officially partner with

>>15198562
Sorry Nazi chud, but you're not Hitler reincarnated and if you were you'd meet the same fate.

>>15198565
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr8EB7QqrMQ

>>15198535
FUCKING IDIOT

>>15198535
Based, zogtard /k/atamites seething

>>15198574
>guy with accordion
i love russians

>>15198479
For discovery of any life, I'd love if it was on Venus' clouds because it would open so many possibilities of exotic life. For first contact, I want it to be either a radio message we need to decrypt, or a probe orbiting somewhere in the solar system that needs to be brought down to Earth. Both of them will require some interesting efforts to be understood.
>>15198491
I wish Mars has at most fossils of long dead life. I don't want anything living there to not hinder colonization dreams.

>>15198582
That thing is always bigger than I think it is.

>>15198572
in the future they would be going to the axiom module then axiom station. nasa wants this to happen because it'll allow them to dump the iss.

the ufos are north korean. be prepared. watch the skies.
K

>>15198572
Its exactly how its supposed to be. Its for those caught in between not being fully inside US wing and not completely against the US wing. Its a way to bridge the gap so they get closer to US community

>>15198583
that's what she said

>>15198479
Id rather discover irrefutable evidence, but not life itself. i.e. some crazy megastructure but no signals being emitted—or some derelict ship that floats into our solar system, but there’s no life aboard. Our species is way too cringe and braindead to meet aliens right now. They would think we are faggots and, hopefully, mercy kill us

>>15198395
You want better, gtfo to L2 (weeks)

>>15198411
ALIEMS

>>15198580
>a probe orbiting somewhere in the solar system
This one would be interesting. Some extravagant relic of eons ago just found floating around in our neighborhood, doing who knows what, and needs to be closely inspected. It would be a cool premise for a book/movie.

>>15198601
There's one around Ganymede.

>>15198593
kek

ive always wondered
how the fuck do you communicate with aliens, even without the interstellar distance factor?
everything about them would be completely alien (lol). it would be impossible to communicate in basically anything we made, including mathematics as the symbols and whatnot are manmade. we dont even know if they will be able to sense the same as us, as in if they will have the ability to see or hear. it would be like trying to decode the language of the north sentinelese which have been isolated for a thousand years, except they dont even have the same concepts of anything as we do. the north sentinelese at least have some concept of numbers (10 fingers, adding/subtracting stones or whatever, etc.)

>>15198606
name?

>>15198611
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra

>>15198611
They're telepathic nigga and know all the kinky shit you think about

>>15198618
How should I know what they call it?

>>15198626
Pan-Am and KLM at Tenerife

There’s a 1m asteroid being tracked. Slated to enter over France and then airburst over the english channel tonight

>>15198636
How many bongs?

BASTERD MAN MUSK PLEASE LEAVE BIG PLATE FOOTBALL GAME AND FOCUS ON ROCKET BLOODY BENCHOD

>>15198640
8:56pm Starbase time so about 53 minutes

>>15198611
>it would be impossible to communicate in basically anything we made, including mathematics as the symbols and whatnot are manmade
It seems you are thinking way too much about this. One possibility, like I reckon they did in the movie Contact, is just showing some dots each representing a unit and then putting them together in an specific way so that one can visually deduce that there's some kind of mathematical operation going on. In each row you'd use these dots and then add whatever sign you come up with in between them, any kind of intelligent species would eventually get that you are adding them up. Once that is done, keep on adding new signs until you describe a pretty intensive list of arithmetical concepts, and then go on and on on, each sign that the aliens just learnt would be useful for the next step. Now you at least share some common language. Next step depends on what your goal and what do you want to communicate about. I suppose it would be current location and technology exchange, which would all still be communicated using this method, but just add graphs this time.

>>15198645
I love how this is nowhere near texas but central is still a good reference lol

>>15198634
oh, I thought for a sec you were talking about a book that was about an alien object orbiting Ganymede. Carry on, good sir.

>>15198655
Lol no I mean there's an extraterrestrial object of unknown purpose in orbit of Ganymede. My source? It came to me in a dream or something idk.

>>15198442
cute

>>15198258
do you have a dV calculator or something to figure that out

and did we ever figure out if superheavy (b7 alone) can SSTO and become an orbital tanker?

>>15198661
>It came to me in a dream or something idk
Quite an interesting dream. I wish mine were like that. I think the last spaceflight-related thing I dreamed about was personally meeting Musk, shaking his hand and all. I was quite nervous.

>>15198611
Pattern recognition is the basics of language that we know of. So the proposed method used by scientists are basic prime numbers, periodic tables, etc. With recognition of these basic patterns, the hope is there would be some form of intelligence.

>>15198669
What he means it it was posted here on 4chan a while back.

>>15198672
anon the vast majority of americans dont have pattern recognition skills

>>15198556
Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances.

>>15198335
This is a colony, we are not allowed to compete.

>>15198677
They can recognize it when the brain is put to use. Human brain however refuses to be put to work in majority of the case and simply rely upon easy/cheap/lazy heuristics as means to save the brain from having to to calculate each time. After all, if people are forced to think about everything they do actively, it becomes very draining.

>>15198677
Most do have working pattern recognition, but they're required to lie about it or face discrimination.

>>15198535
Based, love seeing holols seething

>>15198335
>eurofags into space
Unironically the only recent proposal I think.

>>15198691
Oh wait, there's this whole Susie thing which was announced some months ago, otherwise my previous statement would've been correct. Still in the powerpoint phase, though, so nothing during this decade or the next one.

>>15198448
cant fool me anymore, that's a falcon heavy

>>15198495
No it's alien technology. It can do ANYTHING

>>15198686
bigot

>>15198582
why does it need these

>>15198713
Communications, probably.

>>15198705
except get the government to keep their story straight

>>15198717
>discolse.tv
actual fake news lol

>>15198717
There is no contradiction. They can't say it's not aliens, but there's no reason to think it is aliens.

Horizontally Landing Starship.

>>15198713
starlink

>>15198565
Trusses count. It's fun to just hang out on a truss sometimes.

>>15198713
When will they install the cameras on Starship?

>>15198721
a while ago /sfg/ concluded a starship made for long term moon habitation would need to be placed on its side and covered in regolith

>>15198717
The story was straight the whole time. this was a press conference and they kept posting snippets of what he said as he said it, rather than summerising at the end. Sneaky fuckers.

>we don't know what it is
>we're investigating
>could be anything who knows
>no evidence for ET so shutup

>>15198718
yup
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disclose.tv
>Disclose.tv is a fake news website based in Germany. It is known for publishing far-right content, disinformation and conspiracy theories.

Cute reporter voice on the pentagon ufo press briefing

>>15198730
> wikipedo as a source

>>15198611
You don't. They communicate with you. The rate at which they process data is going to be 1,000,000x faster than the fastest shit we got commercially or in sekret labs on the planet somewhere. In the same way that we would try to communicate with ants. We'd study them and come up with processes in order to establish a method of communication that the primitive brain can understand.

>>15198723
They're cool but just throwing a radio tower into space doesn't make it a station, the station is the pressurized bit you can float around in. That said the next station's truss should be a quarter mile and the pressurized section stretching 3/4 of that length.

>>15198728
just dig a hole on top of a lava tube what the fuck

>>15198737
>no argument
ok

>>15198728
Not necessary. I'm just proposing a Horizontally landing starship for the sole reason of not requiring an elevator. Sure, an elevator would be useful for bringing vehicles and heavy equipment, but that probably won't be needed for regular trips. Using one way trip vertical starships for heavy cargo and permanent bases in tandem with horizontal crew and experiment ferrys would be ideal.

>>15198747
no u

>>15198735
link?

we fucking won bros

>>15198730
So what you're saying is they're right about everything but it's inconvenient.

>>15198730
>fake news
>germany
literally Lügenpresse. probably run by fucking Jews. #freePalestine

>>15198717
So it's zeplins

https://twitter.com/hashtag/Sar2667?src=hashtag_click

>>15198810
Wow nice. It’s cool how this one came with an early notice so people could get set up to film

What movies will martian astronauts take on their journey, so they’ll have something to watch?

>>15198730
>Wikipedia

>>15198812
Orbital mechanics is predictable once you have position data.

>>15198810
A shame it wasn't at least 1 km wide.

>>15198814
The Passion of the Christ
Lord of the Rings extended editions
Blade Runner 2049
Alien
Top Gun
Lethal Weapon 2

>>15198822
Lord of the Rings is so fucking boring.

>>15198825
you’re entitled to your own opinion. You are still getting sent to the airlock for saying this though

>>15198814
they wont bring movies, they will just play nintendo switch

>>15198825
Room temperature IQ

>>15198814
digital storage is so light and cheap, I imagine they won't have to ration
also it's not like they're disconnected from Earth, they'll have a constant uplink for the whole journey

im writing a short story
what gasses/molecules could be used by an alien civilization to spread into the atmosphere of a (minecraft) world to eradicate the villager population?
this is for a short story. i am mentally well and have no intentions of committing any crimes

>>15198832
just suck out the oxygen

>>15198832
Audibly lol’d

>>15198814
Star Wars OT, theatrical cut because they are chads.

>>15198832
dragon breath

>These findings imply that the thrust force obtained by that model might significantly, up to an order of magnitude, underpredict the actual thrust force exerted by solar wind plasma on an E-sail spacecraft.

>>15198835
not meming, im writing a short story (i grew up in a 2 parent home, have no mental illnesses and i vote democrat btw)

>>15198822
A fellow Mel Gibson fan, I see

>>15198442
damn Chinese girls are that cute?

>>15198540
>bani on /sci/
we're in desperate need of space-themed anime girl drawings, there's that one guy that commissions SpaceX Atago and that's it

>>15198853
can you shut up

>>15198854
no

>>15198848
Western born Chinese girls are hot sluts with tight pussies and they’re usually capable of holding a decently intelligent conversation. Something about western life and Chinese genes gives them perfect bodies too
>T. Rootard

>>15198858
None of this is true go outside

>>15198832
There’s a few hyper-toxic gasses, but I imagine you’d need millions of tons of them, minimum, to clear out a world even at their high levels of lethality. Standard stuff like arsine, phosgene, could work if released in high concentrations above populated areas. Of course, aliens would probably have access to more powerful chemistry than we do, and able to create even nastier nerve agents and other sorts of chemical weapon than we can, and there’s the possibility of utilizing bioengineered micro-organisms or even nanites, too.

>>15198860
Where do you think I go to meet ABCs lol

>>15198464
How deep though. I think it's roughly 300km into the moon we could drill with existing tech but it was only like half as deep as needed to reach the huge metallic anomaly lodged under the aitkin basin. It would be substantially less on Mars. Geothermal on Mars would be based.

>>15198868
How deep is antarctic polar ice buried? Does anyone know?

>>15198868
How deep is lunar polar ice buried? Does anyone know?

>>15198464
Mars isn't tectonically active so geothermal wouldn't be possible. The quakes are related to electromagnetic interaction with the subsurface rock.

>>15198853
those days are long over

>>15198882
Every world is hotter the deeper you go underground.

>>15198881
Supposedly on the moon there is surface ice in permanently shaded craters at the poles. Perhaps CO2 ice also. So it's just a short abseil to get ice on the Moon.

On Mars there is ice just beneath the surface in some places. The poles have water and CO2 ice in abundance.

>>15198825
Fuck you.

>>15198886
nyo....

>>15198886
The schizo won in the end kek

>>15198853
I haven't touched my AL account in over a year but New Jersey is cute.

>>15198577
doesn't change anything but give the black sea fleet longer to run away. vatniks will continue to get VOGGED by the thousand for us to all enjoy watching

>>15198865
Fair enough

Space futurism is nihilist cope

>>15198901
Okay

Over the coast, everyone's convinced
It's a government drone or an alien spaceship
Either way, we're not alone
I'll find a new place to be from
A haunted house with a picket fence
To float around and ghost my friends
No, I'm not afraid to disappear
The billboard said "The End Is Near"
I turned around, there was nothing there
Yeah, I guess the end is here

>>15198840
>no mental illnesses
>vote democrat
hmmm

>>15198914
>>no mental illnesses
>>vote democrat
>hmmm
kek.
Democrats don't even know they are mentally ill and scum.

>>15198911
Intellectualism is the last stage of civilization collapse throughout history
We HAVE to step back

>>15198923
you dont need to fucking point at it bro, its quite obvious

>>15198925
IRL basedjaks

>>15198825
OH LAWD THEM RANGS

Pastebin.com/svsfjW1s

Woof woof woof

>>15198929
meds

>>15198713
They designed those to cover communications hardware with TPS for Starship, and it's cheaper to use the same ones despite the fact that this depot won't reenter because they already have them.

>>15198839
>launch test craft
>deploy sail
>holy fuck it hit 1% c by the time it passed Mars
>its just gone m8

>>15198943
The only people who seem to adequately understand the power of the Sun's charged particles are EU guys. Almost no scientists take it seriously even after it was proven that the Sun is causing major global warming on Jupiter and the other outer planets just from EM effects.

If you can make a ship that rides the currents you can go anywhere in the solar system with almost no cost.

Raise the mag sails at the edge of the mast. You are a pirate

>>15198946
a SPACE pirate

>>15198944
Doesn’t it do some weird microwave shit with their magnetic fields

>>15198950
All the planets (probably including Earth) are getting cooked right now for whatever reason. Jupiter has warmed several degrees since measurements were first taken. The phenomenon of auroral heating isn't well studied right now.

Inverse square law you idiots
If the sun was causing jupiter to heat up
Earth would already be toast

will japanese astronauts land on the moon?

>>15198952
What? Also jupiter emits more energy than it receives

>>15198949
I loved that anime when I was a kid, but I remember absolutely nothing of it

>>15198959
when did they air harlock in the US?

Opinion on the N1?

>>15198961
They didn't AFAIK. My dad is French so it aired when he was a kid, when I was growing up he showed me lots of anime he grew up with on ripped DVDs or VHS

>>15197901
something tells me phil hasn't listened to his ai voice doppelganger yet, he should be more scared than he is. also his whole point boils down to ai isn't as le passionate as real people and ai content takes no skill. the counter argument is ai will rapidly be able to emulate passion. and ultimately ai-generated content will be far more informative and entertaining than anything any human could create. someone please place phil mason on suicide watch

>>15198962
Certainly up there as one of the best looking rockets ever made
Too many fundamentally retarded design choices overall though. Obviously the engine static fire problem. Big payload only by virtue of its big size, but it was really inefficient about it. Even the energia was better. One soyuz and one dinky lander wasn’t worth it. Should have had a thinner base and just kept the same profile over the whole rocket instead of tapering. Hydrogen upper stages would have been better but slavs didn’t want to bother —hell they couldn’t even be bothered to design fuel tanks that weren’t perfect spheres because they knew they’d fuck it up. Saturn V was basically an overall better design. The only only thing the US lacked was better kerosene engine tech but they made up for it by brute forcing stability problems with giant GG engines which got the job done

I get the VentureStar had mass problems but why did no one ever consider just strapping two of them together? You don’t even need the carbon fiber tanks or the aerospikes anymore; just aluminum and some SSMEs.

Anyways, why is VentureStar a weird hockey puck shape, and not just a pair of propellant tanks in a cylinder?

>>15198946
treasure planet was a cool concept but mediocre movie

kind of curious that nobody in the spaceflight community gives a shit about the saudi announcement. is commercial spaceflight already boring?

>>15198977
It's just some desert-poos wasting money.

>>15198974
Something like pic related desu. Still big, but it doesn’t need that retarded multilobe carbon fiber tank or aerospikes

>>15198977
I posted about it, I care! Dragon has allowed interkosmos II private enterprise boogaloo
Shit, if Artemis wasn’t bottlenecked by SLS launches and we had multiple lunar landings a year we could use HLS seats as bargaining chips. “Oh Iran do you want a free lunar landing? Well you see, about these nuclear power stations of yours…”

>>15198978
>spending money on space is a waste of money
oof

>>15198974
The hockey puck shape is to fit the dorky hydrologgs tanks, the linear aerospike, and the crew/payload all in one lifting body so it can glide to land on a runway.

>>15198977
Rich Arabs buying instead of doing or making is nothing exciting tbqh
The UAE being the ones to build the gateway airlock is much more interesting. I’m not convinced they can do it, it might be the actual Artemis III bottleneck which would be fucking hilarious tbqh. But if they succeed it’s a pretty big deal for spaceflight. I think UAE is the least shit of the gulf states too

>>15198985
Sending poos into space and bringing them back again is a waste of money. Either leave them there or send something useful.

>>15199000
I am betting on the suits being a bigger hurdle. Or the fucking tower.

>>15198839
Link to papyrus?

>>15199007
Suits are the real problem in my opinion. Apart from starship, which is getting close, pretty much fucking everything needed to get the ball rolling is available off the shelf or just needs a little engineering work. But you need grunts to build shit and they need GOOD suits, no Apollo tier shit is going to cut it. Cunts need lightweight suits that allow a real range of motion with full dexterity for fingers and shit and that you can work is easily for hours at a time. And man there isn't anything even close to that and it will take a lot of development work to get there.

>>15198952
Jupiter captures more auroral energy because of its fat magnetosphere

>>15198952
Intensely low IQ post.

>>15199016
I’m actually a bit worried about Starship becoming the delaying factor here because you just know SpaceX is gonna get shit for it.
SpaceX needs 16 Starship launches per week by the time of the HLS demo in 2024/2025.

>>15199027
Not a big deal. The fueling itself is the biggest deal

>>15199016
What about mechanical counterpressure suits?

>>15199030
Idk why everyone makes a big deal out of the whole refueling thing, pretty sure they will nail it first try.

>>15199031
Some useless retards in MIT are sitting on the patent and doing exactly fuck all with it. You hate to see it.

>>15199030
Put a little spin on your shit and pump the fuel between tanks, how hard can it be. Muh orbital propellant transfer is thunderf00t tier fud.

>>15199039
Spin gravity is a meme. I doubt it's that easy, if it was we'd already be doing it.

>>15199044
>I doubt it's that easy, if it was we'd already be doing it.
lol. lmao.

>>15199044
>I doubt it's that easy, if it was we'd already be doing it.
They said the same thing about retropropulsive reentry. Well done bait/shitpost if this was, but wew, laddy.

>>15199022
Better to be low iq and right than high iq and wrong.

>>15199044
go to a state fair sometime

>>15199044
Rickety government spaceships can't handle one g of spin

>>15199031
These seem like a big fat grift, especially when that MIT bitch got her mitts on them.
The SpaceX suits looks very practical and seem to work fine.

Is R-7 the spaceflight equivalent of the horseshoe crab?

>who do you think owns the press?

>>15198635
hehe

>>15199016
So much this. You can't have pioneers working around this kind of process without a much better suit.

Eventually there will be scientific, industrial and military suits. Right now though a tough industrial suit should be a top priority.

>>15199089
lmao elon is such a rat bastard

>>15199089
Who is that?

>>15199114
The who who owns the press, Rupert Murdoch

>>15199119
But he doesn't own the press.

>>15198962
non reusable.

>>15199123
Lol.

>>15199089
>Musk was asked by one Twitter follower what they were discussing, to which he curtly responded: 'Dogecoin.'
The autism of this man is incredible

>>15199119
>Man who owns the largest number of major news outlets on the globe doesn't own the press

>>15199152
>>15199186

>>15199016
It's going to require angel suits: powered hardsuits with photovoltaic wings strapped to the back. MCP is a harder problem than battery chemistry.

>>15199194
He owns more of the press in the UK/AUS tbqh, that’s why the people seething are Aussies
T. Seething Aussie

>>15199016
Gloves are gonna be the hardest part beyond material durability issues due to how abrasive moon dust is. I remember one astronaut talking about how the current suits basically guarantee that you are going to lose a fingernail at least once during your time up on the ISS if you did walks with any regularity. That, to me, sounds like a fucking nightmare. I lost a nail once and that mother fucker burned so badly for days, and then you add on the fact that you are stuck outside of the fucking ISS so it isn't like you can do anything about it immediately and then you need to finish whatever job you were sent out there to do.

Fuck all that.

>>15199000
gateway isn't needed for artemis 3 or 4

>>15199200
those countries really dont matter

>>15199203
Gateway is absolutely fucking needed, they are using it to transfer from orion to HLS and then HLS back to orion. and two astronauts are going to stay there during the ground mission to direct it. I’m not actually positive they could perform their duties from orion nor that you could have crew transfer between orion and hls otherwise

>>15198832
Just a little bit of CO2 and the world will be destroyed, according to climate alarmists.

Didn't know this, but there was a surveillance balloon present for the 31 engine static fire. Don't get exited, it's a model that likely belongs to border control, and considering how close Boca Chica is to Mexico, that seems the most likely.

>>15198832
Nanomachines, Son.
But seriously, an alien civilization would be able to build microscopic nanomachines that can act as a virus that can kill specific members of a planet's population, and can be called off in an instant.

>>15199222
I mean I think you’re almost certainly right because starbase isn’t even like a kilometre from the border but it definitely has an ominous light right now

>>15199016
Amen, if I had a few hundy million this would be my startup. Real suits for real niggas.

>>15199209
>Gateway is absolutely fucking needed, they are using it to transfer from orion to HLS and then HLS back to orion
they aren't anymore
look it up

>>15199234
you could make good suits for pennies
exoskeleton solves 99% of the problems nasa has

>>15199241
No, it doesn't. Even if you can produce le ebin power armour equivalent you still need it to have very thin gloves that you can work in without obliterating your fingers and hands.

>>15198858
>gives them perfect bodies too
except the ovaries that give you hapa sperg sons

>>15199237
Wait really? What the fuck, where did they publish the change to the mission architecture

>>15199250
I thought Eliot Rodger was Hispanic.

>>15199252
that change happened under bridenstine, newfag

>>15199255
>cali
>rich family
>entertainment industry
jewish for sure

The libtards mad at elon for fraternizing with globalists. They call me (muskrat) a hypocrite. Do they not know that Elon could literally kill my whole family and it would be morally justified? As long as it gets us to Mars. I dont think these fags understand the gravity of my conviction

>>15199209
>they are using it to transfer from orion to HLS and then HLS back to orion
Lmao
So what's the plan? They dock Orion at one end, float through gateway, then go into HLS at the other end
Laughable.

>>15198962
Neat engine hampered by communists, trash everything else.

Are Musk-1's pro-Russia like their demigod?

>>15199233
>>15199222
it was spacex owned i think
there were shots where the balloon is landed

>>15199276
I support Putin but I also support killing vatniks and will gladly take Ukranian blood money to fund Starlink/Mars colonization.

>>15199276
I’m a 2 and I say kill ‘em all

This pic makes me laugh. The glowing bright light of the two vehicles docking, invoking the sort of imagery you might see as being divine when in reality it's just fucking shitty old space getting mogged.

>>15198535
>WW3
Musk is so naive, lmao

>>15199287
in awe at the size of this lad

>>15199287
>explosion

>>15199293
one of the great muskian constants

So i'm going to guess Early April launch, pending completion of the deluge sustem and FAA license. I believe the license process has begun, purely based on the tone of musk's starship tweets over the last few days. and SpaceX will be approved for launch in March

>>15199293
It's his stupid "light of humanity" guiding principle. He genuinely believes that in the same way that Lutheran doesn't think works matter and only is weighed at the end of the day.

>>15199306
The conference with Gwynne and the FAA and other people was a bigger indicator to me that they have actually begun to do things concerning obtaining a launch license.

>>15199244
you don't need thin gloves if you control robotic hands on the end of your arms

>>15198839
Where is this from?

>>15198943
The solar wind is only moving at 0.1% c lmao

>>15199287
Pottery

>>15198946
It's more like a magspinnaker on tether lines.

>>15199324
That's still stupidly fast for interplanetary.

>>15199333
>6 whole days to Mars
But I'm in a hurry
Do you know who I am??

>>15199336
don't forget speeding up and slowing down, so more like a brutal two week transit time

>>15199311
>I think we’ll be ready to fly right at the timeframe that we get the license
yup, they definitely already applied

>>15199339
Literally worthless. If it’s more than 10 hours don’t bother - and that’s including the time at the terminal!

>>15199339
god imagine 3 and a half days of airplane take-off acceleration

>We have Starship be as much like aircraft operations as we can possibly can get it
>We want to talk about dozens of launches per day, if not hundreds of launches a day
What is Gwynne smoking?

>>15199343
If travel times are too short Mars becomes a suburb of Earth you nonce

>>15199345
Factory/financial operation plan has already being laid out by Elon. Its now a matter of regulatory approval and business execution. There's no real bottleneck after the regulatory approval.

With 1 small exception. WW3. No one knows if the Chinese/Russians will bomb Starbase to stop US from getting a huge advantage in the incoming war.

>>15198479
I think microbial live under ice moons is the most realistic of these.

>>15199336
some faggot

>>15199344
It's totally fine if you orient the floor of the ship downwards.

>>15199353
This but methanogen bugs lurking underneath martian rocks.

>>15198569
We kill them for speaking blasphemy. This is an obvious trick of S*tan.

>>15199344
What if I told you you were experiencing ten times that RIGHT NOW?

>>15199355
>>15199361
Guys I might be retarded

>>15198495
>the object traveled 1700 miles in 12 hours
>how? thats 140 miles an hour. is that really a balloon?
Japanese research into the feasibility of attacking North America with balloons during WW2 proved it to be quite possible:

>Engineers next investigated the feasibility of balloon launches against the United States from the Japanese mainland, a distance of at least 6,000 miles (9,700 km).[11] Engineers sought to make use of strong seasonal air currents discovered flowing from west to east at high altitude and speed over Japan, today known as the jet stream. The currents had been investigated by Japanese scientist Wasaburo Oishi in the 1920s; in late 1943, the Army consulted Hidetoshi Arakawa of the Central Meteorological Observatory, who used Oishi's data to extrapolate the air currents across the Pacific Ocean and estimate that a balloon released in winter and that maintained an altitude of 30,000 to 35,000 feet (9,100 to 10,700 m) could reach the North American continent in 30 to 100 hours. Arakawa further found that the strongest winds blew from November to March at speeds approaching 200 miles per hour (320 km/h).

>>15198611
I doubt a species without the ability to see would be able to develop space flight. They wouldn't know about the stars or planets in the night sky. The only distinction between night and day would be the heat (unless they live on a tidally locked world).

>>15199369
Stars/planets quake the spacetime. We use eyes to detect those quakes, but suppose a species that only evolved a super hearing became intelligent. They would then make a decide that can read the faster waves in space and then decode them to a slower wave form so that their ears can pick up the location/size/density/spin rate/etc.

>>15199374
>We use eyes to detect those quakes
We use kilometer-scale measuring devises to detect them, and only spinning black holes and neutron stars are massive and fast enough to create detectable ripples. What are you talking about?

>>15199380
Lightwaves are waves are quakes. I think you're confusing what quakes mean. Our eyes detect these waves. Just like ears do. Just more minutely. Someone with a more accurate ear sensor could detect those as well. Even if they couldn't directly detect them with ears, they could still form a theory about the nature of waves their ear could detect, they could extrapolate the amplitude of the waves based on their understanding of doppler effects and such. With those theories, they could then device a mechanism to detect the high amplitude waves, aka lightwave, and so on.

>>15199387
Detecting soundwaves is hearing. Detecting electromagnetic waves is seeing (and maybe magnetoreception).

>>15199391
god i wish i could see electromagnetic waves

>>15199391
Yes, but those are just conventions. Ultimately they're all waves, just passing through different mediums or being detected with different mediums.

Also, the notion of sight being special is wrong because sight is merely how we model the reality through the photoreceptors and such. But we can also model the reality with ears(if our ears are sensitive enough) and and some birds may have similar with magnetoreceptors as well. So there's nothing special about eyes other than the slight difference in sensitivity to the wave.

>>15199397
Bats/some blind people can use clicking sound to "see" reality as well. The colors might not be present because sound waves aren't minute enough to differentiate between smallest amount of em waves tho.

>>15198832
Something easily made? Hydrogen sulfide, it's slightly heavier than air so it'll sink into all the low spots in the terrain. Or go World War 1 on their minecraft asses, phosgene is also heavier than air and fairly simple to make in large quantities. Combine it with mustard gas if you're feeling malicious.

If you want to be efficient then fly drones in crop-dusting patterns across every major landmass spraying nerve gas, something like VX. Of course if your intended victims are aliens then you can add some hard sci-fi flavour to your story by coming up with a nerve agent compatible with their biology, as their nervous system might use different signalling methods.

If you feel insane and particularly cruel and want something really out there, dump huge quantities of chlorine pentafluoride into their atmosphere. There's that famous quote about it:
>It is, of course, extremely toxic, but that's the least of the problem. It is hypergolic with every known fuel, and so rapidly hypergolic that no ignition delay has ever been measured. It is also hypergolic with such things as cloth, wood, and test engineers, not to mention asbestos, sand, and water—with which it reacts explosively. It can be kept in some of the ordinary structural metals—steel, copper, aluminum, etc.—because of the formation of a thin film of insoluble metal fluoride that protects the bulk of the metal, just as the invisible coat of oxide on aluminum keeps it from burning up in the atmosphere. If, however, this coat is melted or scrubbed off, and has no chance to reform, the operator is confronted with the problem of coping with a metal-fluorine fire. For dealing with this situation, I have always recommended a good pair of running shoes.

>>15198832
Just do what we did to the venitians and dump sulfur in their atmosphere
It will react with oxygen and heat up their planet.

>>15199400
>Bats/some blind people can use clicking sound to "see" reality as well.
yeah i know but i want to see the actual fields around magnets
might get the magnet implants one day

>>15199408
Open your third eye buddy. The chakra radiates across all objects. You can go super saiyan with it, if you can harness it.

>>15198832
forget what the name is
but some of the scary HCFs are nasty as fuck

>>15199412
>>15198832
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur_hexafluoride
>SF6 is 23,500 times more potent than CO2 as a greenhouse gas
just use this lol

>>15199420
Could you use that to heat up Mars?

>>15199421
yeah probably
its dense as fuck though so might not work unless you have shit tons of it

>>15199421
That's what greenhouse gasses do.

>>15199339
You'd never slow down at Mars without a hefty magnetosphere to brake into.
No, the proper way is magsail all the way to Jupiter, slingshot around it, then brake against the solar wind on the way in to Mars.

>>15199426
you can't do a hairpin turn at Jupiter at those speeds you sped

>>15199426
We got a pro here

>>15199435
Maybe you can't, farmboy

>>15199435
You'd be cooked by the end that's for sure

>>15199441
enjoy your 2 degree trajectory change nigga lmao

>>15199451
That's just protons mainly, you can easily shield against that if you can operate a plasma magnetic sail (see Bamford et al)

>>15198332
Three fiddy

>>15199426
slingshotting is cool af and i am tired of pretending otherwise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJcNOA5pEMI

>>15199460
if you don't enter the atmosphere when you do it you are a gaylord

>>15199460
The only drawback is that you don't feel any cool g-forces while you slingshart.
Dynamic soaring on a solar wind termination shock improves on this, you'll really feel it when you ride the shockwave.

>>15198479
The return of our Lord Jesu Christ.

>Q9 2021
>starship still hasn't launched
you lied to me

>>15199478
>>15199478
>solar wind termination shock
Doesn't that incredibly wibbly wobbly like?

>>15199492
The recent meteor

>>15199000
It's better than them forcing dumb memes like building another stupid sand island that washes away because they can't into ocean currents, or building a city in a long line.

>>15199044
ok bro

>>15199500
the long line city is the smartest thing they have done tbqh

>>15199507
At one point the smartest thing you’d ever done was tell your parents when you shit yourself instead of simply walking around with your poo in your pull ups.
Luckily you eventually learned to use a toilet, but not everyone is at that level.

>>15199202
the way gloves are made today is really rather primitive and has a lot of room for improvements
I've fallen into shoemaking rabbit hole and there's so many intricacies in making sure your arch and ankle has proper support, that the shoe has tight fit and so on
in comparison, gloves are just hand-shaped sacks

>>15199265
>float through gateway
more like fund through gateway

>>15199520
>>15199202
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWHk4ht-boM
just fucking use these or something like them on the end of an exoskeletons arm
it ain't rocket science

>>15199044
what would even be the hard part?

>>15199044
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqGwoCCMCIQ
we are

https://www.flickr.com/photos/spacex/52682538431/

High resolution

>>15198409

Zubrin is so based

>>15199598

>>15199085
Maybe if LEO was the edge of the known universe, then yeah. But it’s not. Russia refuses to let it die, and while it was really good in the 50s-60s (and arguably still reliable and “good” now) it’s seeing its end days

have we figured out why most launches tend to happen in the last few months of the year?

>>15199608
Kek forgot about this. Didn’t it come from some documentary that has leonov driving around in a car cursing?

>>15199617
He was a top lad

>>15199621
Hahahahahaha

>>15199507
Imagine forgetting your wallet on the other side of the city

>>15199507
How is a 1-D city a good thing? It's mental

>>15199632
cooling

PLS, 1989 study by Aérospatiale, Arianespace and SEP

3 Thiokol Castor 4B as first stage, with the French M4 SSBM's first 2 stage (P20 and P8) as upper stage, and the Italian IRIS (flew on the shuttle) kick-stage on top.
It would be launched on ELA-D (Diamant launch pad in Kourou). Performances were 810 kg to a 500 km polar orbit. Development costs were estimated at 630M Francs ($300M today).

>>15199633
Just put solar panels on the roof to power air conditioning, no need for linear cities

>>15199635
E5A/B, 1990 study by Aérospatiale under the DGA (French Defence procurement agency)

M51's first and second stage (P30, P10), with M45's second stage (P8) on top, possibility of adding a IRIS or another liquid kick-stage on top; 810 kg to 500 km polar orbit.

Problems:S1's acceleration was too high and had to be redesigned. Cost of development was high: 1.7 Billion Francs ($800M today).

>>15199635
>>15199649
>SRB
gay

>>15199605
It’s still capable enough to fly 95% of the missions Russia has on their manifest and its cheap enough that even Roscosmos can afford to build them in bulk. It’s not going anywhere anytime soon.

>>15199646
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3LbxDZRgA4
sun blocking is alot easier with a line city

Dragon
>february - crew 6
>april - polaris dawn
>may - axiom 2
>august - crew 7
>october - axiom 3

Soyuz
>february - ms-23
>march - ms-24

Shenzhou
>may - shenzhou 16
>?? - shenzhou 17

Starliner
>april - boeing cft

>>15199685
WE ARE GOING TO SPACE

>Roskosmos now aims at the 2027 launch of the new space station.
https://twitter.com/russianspaceweb/status/1625145509038915585

>>15199710
lets go multiple mini stations in orbit together

>>15199710
>2027
They'll be too busy surviving fallout along with 3/4 of the rest of the globe. I do wonder what ISS crew's plan is if they suddenly lose contact, look down and see a nuclear exchange in progress. Do you try to wait it out on the station to see if somebody makes contact after a while? Do you load into Dragon/Soyuz, deorbit and hope for the best?

>>15199685
Oh shit, have they managed to convince some astronauts to fly in a Starliner?
>>15199718
Wait for as long as you can then try and deorbit somewhere away from any major cities or miltary bases. The astronauts in the dragon might be screwed though if it can only do water landings.

>>15199737
Could they put Dragon down in one of the Great Lakes? Or even Salt Lake? Either might be easier to survive/escape without assistance than the sea.

>>15199737
>Wait for as long as you can
Depends on the orbital debris environment desu, 400 km LEO is probably going to be more dangerous than some countryside away from the few frontlines.

>>15199710

>>15199766
The end of the ISS will be the end of an era of international cooperation since 1993.. ugh... That's sad

>>15199772
It will be the beginning of free enterprise rather than government bodies

>>15199507
have you ever thought about why cities exist in the first place?
essentially all of the reasons for having a city are negated by smearing it out into a long line
if the sand retards build it the first thing that will happen is the formation of local districts that function like a series of independent small towns connected by a subway

>>15199500
Just make an island that won’t erode.

What would NASA do if this shit kills its astronauts?

>>15199804
tip boing 1 billion dollars

>>15198371
Three fiddy

>>15199804
Give boing a bonus

>>15199804
“This is why we test”

>>15199012
>>15199317
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20220005969/downloads/TM20220005969_Update.pdf

Get hype this means that current x AU per year figures for e-sail might be under actual performance, I'm so glad NASA is working on both e-sail and solar sail (Solar Cruiser) tech

I see it as hedging our bets in case the plasma/magsail concept turns out to not work as predicted, though I wish NASA would study that more too

Propulsion breakthrough soon lads, I can feel it.

>>15199819

>>15199821
>>15199819
Current predictions

>>15199823

>>15199826