/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15178909
The research pre-1990 is rigorous. Post-1990 is dubious.

>>15178909
No, but it is a field that relies much more on empathy and subjective experiences.

>>15178909
It's like the quantum mechanics of medicine. For example a patient shows symptoms that are probably x so we'll do y and it will probably work. You could say general medicine is the same thing but I think psychiatry is a fair bit more probabilistic seeing as a lot of the things they're diagnosing they can't test for

It's worse than that

>>15178909
Let's just say the field has a checkered history.

>>15178909
Meds dont work and therapy just encourages you to blame your parents over some abuse that never happened

>>15178909
Pavlov and his school were rigorous and based. Lobotomy is really interesting too. Psychoanalysis is worse than useless, and daily psychiatric drug routines are a crime against humanity.

>>15179023
>Lobotomy is really interesting too
in what way..?

>>15178909

Yes and no.

Let me tell you a story, OP:

I used to think that psychiatry involved measuring the chemicals in your brain in order to determine which ones you were missing, and then prescribing them in order to make you better.

But that's not actually how it works at all.

They diagnose based on conjecture, and then prescribe based on diagnosis.

Then, they refine your prescription based on feedback... but they never stop prescribing.

For some, after long enough, there is a "cocktail" with which they feel comfortable and satisfied.

But for others, it is an endless quest that never gets resolved.

Yet if you find yourself in a place where you have no option but to ask for help... you will find it there in various ways.

Just don't believe that the human brain is a solvable problem.

My last psychiatrist looked me square in the face after several months of therapy and said "You know, maybe you're just not a happy person..."

And that's when I decided I was done with psychiatry.

YMMV.

>>15178909
almost all official "science" is misinformation and pseudo science

>>15179049
Brain chemicals can be measured. Specifically their breakdown products in blood and urine, but i never saw a psychiatrist actually prescribe them they just mutter uh depression Prozac. Also the brain isnt some chemical tank that you must refill

>>15179049
After years of trying to find an anti-depressant that did something other than give me terrible side effects and irritability, I had to come to the conclusion that I just hated my situation and felt hopeless. I can't say that I'll never hit a point where I would ever seek them out again, but not being on them and just trying to change my environment helped considerably. Pretty sure that topomax gave me permanent hearing damage after only taking the shit for a couple of months to put the cherry on it all though.
Therapy is probably helpful for some people that respond well to talking to paid strangers about their problems. The medication is debateable.

I wish psychiatrists would just admit that they have absolutely no clue how any of the drugs work and it's probably just placebo. Also, the term 'mental illness' is incredibly subjective and depends on which gender you are, what time period you are in, which culture you are in, etc

>>15179054
That's not true. You just mistake "science" for "a source that can tell you everything you'd ever want to know." That's called "god" tho.

>>15179059
* myelin intensifies *

>>15178909
Firstly, kys faggot
Secondly, psychiatry is a real field of medicine. People who claim otherwise are sheltered retards who have never seen a real schizophrenia patient or a person with bipolar disorded

>>15179063

Every psych-med made me want to kill myself, desu. So I requested to wean myself off of them, and eventually even my p-doc had to admit that I wasn't worse off for it, so I just walked away and never looked back... it's not for everybody, though.

>>15179049
the idea that you are just an unhappy person is pretty valid proposition. Idk what madness others deal with but I got a little bit of madness, almost all just related to how life sucks though. And I wouldn't really blame the drugs for not working. I jdo think life legit sucks but just a little change in viewpoint can do more than any drugs.

>>15179087
I'm a real person with bipolar disorder (type I with psychotic features), and I think you need therapy. Because you're like 12 or something, right? That's about the age that says "kys faggot," right? Do you feel powerful telling people to kill themselves? Is it because you actually want to kill *yourself*? I worry about you, anon; you seem like you're having a bad day. Hope it goes better, though.

>>15179095
You sound like a tranny. Bet being on test would make your bipolar go away.

>>15179092

You are literally contradicting yourself with this response; how is it a valid proposition that "I am just an unhappy person" if you believe that "just a little change in viewpoint can do more than any drugs," and why do you think what I did by refusing further drug-treatment was different than whatever "little change in viewpoint" you're referring to?

For that matter, what the literal fuck *are* you saying?

>>15179097

Oh, total tranny. Manual, specifically. I had my testosterone tested already, and it's average for what I identify as, so like please get help somewhere and learn to overcome your obvious transphobia. Or, more likely, go jerk off about getting a reaction out of me; maybe that will help.

>>15178910
>research pre-1990 is rigorous.
Yeah...

>>15179095
>>15178909
Threads like this are driving me crazy. Is it really that hard to simply google a video of how does psychotic seizure look like? There are tons of videos like that on youtube.
Are these episodes faked? Is there some sort of conspiracy involved? Or maybe, just maybe this person ir really sick and needs help?
Fucking idiots

>>15179095
>>15179105
You really sound like a sick person. Have you tried lobotomy?

>>15179108
>Threads like this are driving me crazy

Are there a lot of them, then?

I've had a psychotic seizure. I have felt my body scream things beyond my control, and it's exactly as terrifying as you might imagine. Not to mention embarrassing.

But eventually you figure out why it happened, and what elements in your life led you to suffer the delusion that forced you into those circumstances.

People are capable of recovery. Even psychos.

I hope you don't ever actually have to face this issue and can continue to see it from your spectator-perspective, but if you actually want to know what insanity is like, feel free to ask.

t. fucking idiot

>>15179110

Yes. Can you tell me how getting a lobotomy would be different from committing suicide, though?

>>15179077
yet scientists are fucking fraudsters employed by government to deceive people

>>15179107
>hammer and chisel brain surgery
Craftsmanship.

>>15178909
>Is psychiatry pseudoscientific bullshit?
All contemporary medicine is basically a pseudoscientific bullshit. Doctors aka big pharma salesmen have no idea how human body and mind works and what are root causes of health problems. Their only solution to every health issue is shoving a coctail of pharmaceuticals down your throat.

These quacks have ruined my health. Years of taking their psychiatric poisons have destroyed my gut health: caused microbiome dysbiosis, ruined intestinal mucosal layer and that consequently caused intestinal permability. Now I'm in state of permanent systemic inflammation. I'm always tired and deppressed, I have poor memory and concentration problems, I have a so called brain fog. I also have back and joint pain. (I developed seasonal pollen allergy as well but thankfully I managed to cure it with bioressonance therapy) Keto diet and fasting helps but it's not a solution.

Hipocrates realized centuries ago that most diseases start in the gut but these medical sharlatans still have no clue. They only how to be obiedient and conformist towards pharmacetical industry so they can get the money and advance their careers. But the truth is the big pharma (unlike doctors) is fully aware that their medicine is not medicine at all but a poison. That's why (((they))) are pushing goyslop and petrochemical drugs that slowly damage the gut and cause new diseases. Then they treat these new diseases with another set of pharmaceutical poisons that only mask symptoms and create new issues over time.

I'm sorry for this rant and my poor English. I saw this thread and felt the need to shout it out. Take it for what it's worth.

>>15178959
Not true of molecular psychiatry

>>15179036
narcistic psycho way aka what gets jewish filthy brain going day by day, suffering and total control on goyim

>>15179108
psychosis happens from traumatic expierences or drugs abuse/withdrawal

its not illness on itself, every brain has psychosis function, just most people never get it triggered, it lasts up to week total

>>15179087
> - t. psychiatrist

>>15178909
it's just another way for jews to profit off your insecurities. people just need to learn how to talk to each other when there are problems.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/akFfjkbVh5J6/

>>15179049
>My last psychiatrist looked me square in the face after several months of therapy and said "You know, maybe you're just not a happy person..."
I laughed out loud. The same shit almost happened to me except I came to that conclusion myself. I took myself off the meds and found happiness in my melancholy. Weird way to describe it I guess but that's how I feel. that was when I decided the whole thing was a charade as well.

>>15178909
>Is psychiatry pseudoscientific bullshit?

Psychiatry is not pseudoscientific bullshit, but it can feel like it sometimes. It's like having a doctor try to diagnose you with a complex mental disorder and then trying to explain it to you with a joke about a clown walking into a bar.

Correct diagnosis is useless because meds and therapy dont work. Some drugs to fog your mind exist and can neutralize schizophrenia by dumbing you but they dont make you normal, and they will also cause parkinson's.

>>15179049
>>15179164
ngl I could tell you're psychotic/schizotypal from your posting style. Could have diagnosed you without ever seeing you.

>>15179695
They have places like reddit, that should really be good enough

>>15179049
meth is the perfect antidepressant nothing will change my mind

>>15180514

I prefer the term "neurodivergent," but yeah. Color me unsurprised; it's not like I'm trying to hide it, lol. Perhaps a bit of confirmation bias, though, because if I were hiding it, I'd just not have posted.

>>15179695
Have you heard of /pol/? Maybe they want to hear this; you should try there.

>>15180601

,,,except experience ;)

>>15178909
Yes, for most common folk all the methods they use like talk therapy prescription medication are pure BS.
But, it could be useful for have actual conditions that need to be studied like the freaks they are: trannies, schizophrenics, BPD, etc.
Most problems in life can be resolved if you adopt a stoic mindset.

>>15181413

Thank you, 1957! It's been a while since I've heard from you: how is milkshakes and racism treating you?

>>15181596
>hahaha the past was so stupid and primitive
>we've progressed to a much better world since then

>>15181615

You're going to have to elaborate that graph if you want anyone to get your point, anon.

I'm certainly not sure of what you're trying to say, at least.

Any pointers for interpreting the data?

>>15181639
The quality of life of the average person has measurably declined since those "barbaric and smallminded" times.

>>15179087
>bipolar
Everyone is bipolar, everyone can feel both happy or sad, anxious or depressed, that is just a retarded catch all diagnosis for when they can't place you as either needing anxiety or depression meds.

>>15181713
>Everyone is bipolar, everyone can feel both happy or sad, anxious or depressed, that is just a retarded catch all diagnosis for when they can't place you as either needing anxiety or depression meds.
This is the dumbest post in the entire thread. It's very easy to tell when someone is a manic-depressive because their moods are extreme and they're completely emotionally incontinent. It's not normal behavior on a spectrum it's having all your behavior cluster around the 2 most extreme ends of a spectrum with no middle ground.

So, you want to be an amoeba with no more than an input-response interface with the universe? Because that's what you're saying rn.

>>15181713

Yeah, Bipolar is just the most recent-gen Schizophrenia, desu. Or maybe Autism. They love diagnosing that, too.

>>15178909
try lsd+weed and find out, if you are brave and warrior, not cattle

>>15178909
just as psychology, but we get free drugs

>>15181888
you get psycho passive drugs, which kill you slowly. illegal stuff works very differently.

>>15181900
At some point in life a man has to realise he is the master of his own ship.

>>15178909
It is quasi-science. A psychiatrist should not be given an MD because they don't learn enough to treat people with the level of confidence a regular MD would have. Psychiatric treatments in this age are a small step above a lobotomy. No one knows how the brain works or what mentall illnesses are or if half of the diagnosises should even exist. Pushing speed on kids to fuck up their brain chemistry just so they can sit still while the teacher reads them boring ass books is obviously an atrocity.
Some of the science is real though. We know some effects drugs have on the brain and body for example, but when it comes to treatments the benefits are massively overblown and the downsides ignored for profit.

>>15178909
I'm really only interested in the connection between infectious disease and subsequent psychiatric effects from either the disease itself or the activation of the immune system.

>the )sci( board that cant get real numbers or quantum mechanics cant get psychiatry
what a surprise

>>15181985
>A psychiatrist should not be given an MD because they don't learn enough to treat people with the level of confidence a regular MD would have.
Medical error is the third leading cause of death after hear disease and cancer. Doctors have undeservedly high levels of confidence in their abilities because they are completely protected from suffering consequences if they make any mistakes. They don't know what they're doing, they kill tons of people by accident, so whatever confidence they have is falsely derived.

>>15178909
Yes. Clearly.

Its a modern day religion. They know nothing, yet pretend they do. And are only after your money.

>>15179023
Even Jung? His approach seems more legitimate, as every step in his argumentation flows logically. Have you read Man and his Symbols? I am of the opinion that most of psychology is quackery, but somehow Jung feels different because his analysis is based on something concrete (dreams) and having identified symbols common to man, his interpretation of dreams sounds more than guesswork...

>>15178909
>Is psychiatry pseudoscientific bullshit?
Yes.

>Does it mean my presistent, absurd and pathological behaviors are just another personality variation?
No.

>>15183866
>Medical error is the third leading cause of death
Usually for people who would die anyway without treatment.

I fucking hate modern psychiatrists and psychotherapists like you wouldn't believe. I'm not sure how it is in your countries, but here where I live the vast majority of psychology students are women.

>>15183396
Immunopsychiatry is what I'm interested in as well, seeing as I'm focused on medical microbiology.

>>15184099
based

Every facet of psychiatry that doesn't involve the biological basis for the disorders is bullshit. Behavioral therapy must be reserved for the PhD idiots who don't have medical degrees.

>>15178909
I think that the problem is you have to be intrapersonal learner because the more opinions that come flying out just add more and more complexity to a problem that will continually evolve and develop over time. So the difficulty in tackling such an issue is identifying behavioral patterns asap and really understanding how these behavioral patterns are manifesting in complex life events. Most psychologists I'd assume they deal with pretty simpleminded people who will a lot of the time just feel bad without really knowing why they feel bad (unconscious) and they won't really know what to do with them, but then they meet a patient who isn't simpleminded and they provide good pathology and so it's far far easier to get to the root of their problems. I think the most complex patients are the one's that seem to be simultaneously simple-minded and complex, i.e your autist. That's just my hot take, but I wouldn't be surprised if I was off by a lot.

>>15178909
It is also something much more sinister.
We should audit all the institutions, and we should make every institution (from a school class to the innermost UN cabinet) transparent with video and audio surveillance available to watch for every taxpayer.

>>15184090
Jung is obviously a pseudoscientist because he doesn't perform science, just literary analysis, but misinterpret his works as science.

Psychology is a science though. Its basis is on objective data.

You cannot be depressed. Your brain can feel depressed, but that's it. You have a choice to give attention to your brain or not.

But here are some mental illnesses that cause the brain to completely go haywire and override the meta consciousness.

>>15178909
less pseudoscientific than quarks, strong force, weak force and other concepts paraded around as science in physics.

>>15184579
Depression is a condition where your brain patterns undergo abnormal continuous repetitions. Have you done any research at all into the subject?

>>15184433
The only worthwhile psychiatric pursuit. Like how a doctor tries to find the biological cause of symptoms in every other field, a psychiatrist should be focused on the biological causes of mental disorders, not faggy psychotherapy.

>>15184775

Correct. The brain can feel depressed. Thank you for agreeing with me. You, however, are not your brain. You are the awareness watching your brain. The problem is that from a very early age we incorrectly identify with our brain.

>>15184482
This.

>>15184855
I'd have to disagree, seeing as I'm a firm believer that the brain is the organ that control sensory perception of both in vivo and ex vivio stimuli. Just as we're star stuff able to contemplate itself, the brain is able to contemplate itself. There is no differentiation.

>>15184855
>>15185041
If no one ever told you the brain existed you would never imagine your mind lived in your head

>>15185041

Nah my friend it's the hard problem of consciousness. There is no material element to consciousness. An object cannot also be the subject.

>>15178909
That therapist has some nice hair.

>>15185187

So... what?

>>15178909
>Is psychiatry pseudoscientific bullshit?
YES biggest proof of this is that they will never send anyone back home because you cant objectively prove that the patient is lying