/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15167861
you think just because it's not getting hotter, the ice caps are arent melting and the sea level isnt rising you debunked global warming you stupid nazi fuck? only communism can stop global warming idiot

Why do deniers lie as if it’s not easy to prove them wrong?

>>15167922
Why are you lying?

According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008.

“We’re essentially in agreement with other studies that show an increase in ice discharge in the Antarctic Peninsula and the Thwaites and Pine Island region of West Antarctica,” said Jay Zwally, a glaciologist with NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, and lead author of the study, which was published on Oct. 30 in the Journal of Glaciology. “Our main disagreement is for East Antarctica and the interior of West Antarctica – there, we see an ice gain that exceeds the losses in the other areas.” Zwally added that his team “measured small height changes over large areas, as well as the large changes observed over smaller areas.”

Scientists calculate how much the ice sheet is growing or shrinking from the changes in surface height that are measured by the satellite altimeters. In locations where the amount of new snowfall accumulating on an ice sheet is not equal to the ice flow downward and outward to the ocean, the surface height changes and the ice-sheet mass grows or shrinks.

But it might only take a few decades for Antarctica’s growth to reverse, according to Zwally. “If the losses of the Antarctic Peninsula and parts of West Antarctica continue to increase at the same rate they’ve been increasing for the last two decades, the losses will catch up with the long-term gain in East Antarctica in 20 or 30 years -- I don’t think there will be enough snowfall increase to offset these losses.”

Zwally’s team calculated that the mass gain from the thickening of East Antarctica remained steady from 1992 to 2008 at 200 billion tons per year, while the ice losses from the coastal regions of West Antarctica and the Antarctic Peninsula increased by 65 billion tons per year.

“The good news is that Antarctica is not currently contributing to sea level rise, but is taking 0.23 millimeters per year away,” Zwally said. “But this is also bad news. If the 0.27 millimeters per year of sea level rise attributed to Antarctica in the IPCC report is not really coming from Antarctica, there must be some other contribution to sea level rise that is not accounted for.”

>>15167861
Unpopular opinion:
Large systems like the Earth and it's climate have a tendency to self regulate and doomsday would likely be impossible via natural causes barring an asteroid or other natural black swan event.

The fact is when the CO2 rises plants will compensate and grow larger and faster. Carbon from CO2 is the primary physical building block a plant uses to make stems, roots, and leaves. They are literal carbon sequestration engines. Food crop production will also increase for free thanks to increase CO2 in the atmosphere. It's also predicted the the very mild warming could expand growing zones and lengthen growing seasons. More CO2 will mean a bonanza of food, lumber, and plant products in general. mass replanting of forests would solve the problem in a generation or two. All Earth needs is more trees and the system balances itself.

>>15167922
Sorry sweaty, new science dropped.

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>>15168026

>https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses
>Oct 30, 2015
>Last Updated: Aug 7, 2017
OOF

>>15168022
The planets experiencing mass desertification which is rendering it pretty much impractical for plants to live. Ex: most of the southwestern US has aridified or very close to it, and that's gonna expand more and more north in the coming decades.

The chance for planet greening was a couple decades ago. Had we simply stopped emissions around 2000 then yes, what you say might have happened. Now every bit of CO2 emission is just expanding the world deserts.

>>15168067
>The planets experiencing mass desertification

This is not due to CO2. CO2 reverses desertification.

Desertification is due to land use and urbanization.

>>15168022
>CO2 is the only factor that affects plants

>>15167922
>Antartica mass (Gt)
What's Gt, Greta tons?

Now that’s just wrong

>>15167861
Any legit scientist has always known it was a scam.
Most went along with the scam since it means easy government money laundering into their pockets from the rich 1% leftists who control the narrative and "universities" though.

Surprising NASA employee would admit to the hoax, since NASA has been propped up since the 1980s by the global climate change scam and US Government slush funds and money laundering.

>>15168096
It's really both CO2 and land use expanding deserts. CO2 makes weather patterns more extreme, reducing rainfall in areas which dont get as much and increasing rainfall in areas which are already rainy.land use can play a part, but land use is itself contributing more to CO2 levels as it is desertification.

>>15168129
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>>15168150
CO2 is good for plant growth, such as crops that humans eat.

The rich globalists want to reduce world populations to below 500 million people, and the easiest way to do that is mass famine due to crop failure.

Easiest way to reduce food supplies is to reduce C02 levels so that crops suffer more and yield less food. Then the fake media just blames "climate change" for the mass starvations and colder climate, and says people need to give more and more money and freedom to stop what they are intentionally doing.

It's idiocy. Humans need to release more CO2 into the atmosphere before it is too late and another ice age occurs.

>>15168176
You're an idiot

>>15168175
Fake graphs. The first two are from ice cores in Greenland and don't represent the global temperature. The x axis on the second is mislabeled side "Present" = 1950. The data ends in 1855 before any significant warming occurred. But you already know all this, shill.

>>15168200
The facts of your fraud eviscerate your shill narrative.

>>15168176
Food is good for life, such as human life.

The rich globalists want to reduce world populations to below 500 million people, and the easiest way to do that is mass famine due to dieting.

Easiest way to reduce population is to reduce calorie intake so that people starve. Then the fake media just blames "obesity" for the mass deaths and lack of nutrition, and says people need to give more and more time exercising and freedom to stop what they are intentionally doing.

It's idiocy. Humans need to eat more before it is too late and another mass starvation occurs.

>>15168129
data too dense. don't care.

>>15168205
Another fake graph that tries to confuse temperature adjustments with the actual temperature before and after adjustments, and tries to confuse the US with the global record. Adjustments have actually decreased the global warming trend. You're a pathetic shill and have no defense for your lies.

>>15168200
the error bands for 20,000 years ago isn't that small, liar.

>>15168213
Head too dense for data, doesn't care.

>>15168215
>The data is wrong because I said so
Oh. OK.

>>15168214
There is no verifiable global temperature record. Your lies are easily seen through.

>>15168214
>Another fake graph that tries to confuse temperature adjustments with the actual temperature before and after adjustments
tell the audience what the adjustments are, and why they're used.

>>15168222
The data is wrong because you created it fraudulently. If you stopped lying maybe people would take you seriously instead of humiliating you constantly.

>>15168200
>Fake graphs. The first two are from ice cores in Greenland and don't represent the global temperature.
Except when they're used to show the heckin globe is warming right? Then they even make movies about it

>>15168230
>The data is wrong because you created it fraudulently
I didn't create it, it's published in a peer reviewed paper. Where was your brilliant critique published?

>>15168227
>There is no verifiable global temperature record.
It's been verified numerous times.

https://berkeleyearth.org/about/

I guess we're in the phase of the game where the deniers give up posting fake graphs and just go straight to the baldfaced lies.

>>15168207
>The rich globalists want to reduce world populations to below 500 million people, and the easiest way to do that is mass famine due to dieting.
wrong, the easiest way is injecting so-yence mystery juicerino (aka vaccines)

>>15168228
https://judithcurry.com/2014/07/07/understanding-adjustments-to-temperature-data/

Explain why you repeatedly posted fake misleading graphs.

>>15168227
>>15168228
>doesn’t argue
>just states data is fake
Those astroturfing pamphlets are shit

>>15168237
>the deniers
No you're the only one lying here. Even using such a stupid term is a thought-terminating cliche written in your shilling manual. The only people denying basic measurements are climate cultists.

>>15168241
>>15168242
explain why you're schizophrenic and think only one anon is calling you out. also, i see you're not explaining what an adjustment is. why are you lying?

>>15168241
>judithcurry
LMFAO! you don't actually think that's a reputable source, do you? try again, shill

>>15168231
>Except when they're used to show the heckin globe is warming right?
Where did I post any fake graphs? Please show me.

>>15168249
Do you have any specific arguments about the methodology that’s posted here and used for temperature records or are you just going to double down on your easily disproven lies?
Even fast accumulating marine proxies like coral show the anthropogenic warming rise in their isotopic signatures

>>15168246
>>the deniers
Yes, you're literally in denial:
>There is no verifiable global temperature record

>No you're the only one lying here.
Where?

>>15168214

>>15168266
>Where?
Tell me what percentage of global land and sea temperature records are directly measured.

>>15168249
>explain why you're schizophrenic and think only one anon is calling you out.
I'm not, why are you defending fake graphs?

>also, i see you're not explaining what an adjustment is.
The link I payed expirations them far better than I could in this limited format. I suggest you read it instead of whining about the form of my answer.

>>15168254
>you don't actually think that's a reputable source
The source is Zeke Hausfather, but why would you be against Judith Curry?

Explain why you repeatedly posted fake misleading graphs.

>>15168265
you don't actually think that pic you showed is a good set of data, do you? not even worth explaining what's wrong with it. a literal child could tell you what's wrong with it.
>>15168270
>link i payed
cute freudian slip. that source is not a reputable scientific source, and if you think it is, then honestly lol.

>>15168269
>Tell me what percentage of global land and sea temperature records are directly measured.
Nonsensical question that doesn't answer my question. Try again. Where did I lie?

>>15168274
>Zeke Hausfather
ahahahahahaha. imagine taking this faggot seriously.

>>15168278
>that source is not a reputable scientific source
Zeke Hausfather is a very reputable scientific source. He's one of the world's foremost experts on temperature records. Why are you defending fake graphs?

>>15168269
You know you can download the code and all the raw data used for global temperatures right?

>>15168283
Not an argument. Thanks for admitting global warming is real and adjustments have decreased the global warming trend. That was easy.

>>15168285
>Zeke Hausfather
imagine getting your scientific information from cucks.

>>15168286
He knows all this, it's been explained to him many times before. He's a shill.

>>15168278
It’s isotopic measurements of coral skeleton. Please describe in detail what’s wrong with it

>>15168290
See >>15168287
You lose.

>>15168292
>link i payed
it's cute you avoided the freudian slip.

>>15168283
literally soi facing, is this a meta troll?

>>15168298
Explain why you're schizophrenic and think only one anon is calling you out.

>>15168286

>>15168298
I didn’t post any links though. I’m asking about the coral data you dishonest ape

Well the game is over already : (

Deniers went from fake graphs to lies to childish insults in only a few minutes. It's not even fun anymore to destroy them when they're this stupid. The quality of denial has gone downhill.

>>15168307
>>15168268
Yeah now you’re just desperate spending time to edit some graphs

>>15168308
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>>15168270
>The link I payed
you're obviously the same anon. this is you're last (you) from me. i won't help you get paid for more (you)'s. get a real job, tranny.

>>15168313
>Yeah now you’re just desperate spending time to edit some graphs

>>15168197
>>15168207
Keep seething leftist nazis.
You will never dominate the world.
Anarchy is the future.

>>15168320
Stop deflecting and answer the question instead of focusing on typos. You haven’t had any specific arguments about methodology

>>15168175
Very interesting data anon.
Thanks for sharing.

>>15168286
Thank you for showing me temperatures taken on tarmac to highlight the urban island effect used to fake global warming. And an American one as well! Fascinating. Give me one from the Burkina Faso temperature stations, will you?

>>15168337
>again posting easily disproven lies
When are you addressing the methodology? Stop deflecting

>>15168374
Were those temperatures taken in China, Burkina Faso? Just asking for clarity's sake, Anon.

>>15168380
>schizo replies
Address the methodologies posted in the thread

>>15168386
You don't even know what your methodology is. That's why it's important to humiliate and demoralize shills like you by showing how you deflect again and again when asked questions that would take the façade off of your lies.

>>15168390
Stop deflecting and answer the question. What’s wrong with coral isotopic measurements?

>>15168397
What are you talking about, schizo? I never even mentioned those.

still snowing outside
don't care, faggot

>>15168175
Hockey Stick graphs are fake anyway.

>>15168397
WTF are you talking about? Are you arguing with the voices in your head?

>>15168399
It’s an independent confirmation that the instrumental record is correct. Again stop deflecting

>>15168175
So when should i sell?

>>15168413
You don't even know how the "instrumental record" is constructed, and can't explain it. You're obviously not given that information in your packet, but if you were smart you would look it up and realize why your lies don't make sense.

>>15167861
Uuuh sweetie, that's not what it is according to snopes. You should have fact checked that.

>>15168416
Stop deflecting by saying the data is fake without any evidence and answer the question. What’s wrong with the posted methodology?

>>15168235
>pal review
doesn't mean shit anymore

>>15168418
It doesn't matter to my point. It's literally irrelevant and you weren't even talking to me when you mentioned it. You're arguing with someone else about that.

>>15168241
>critical analysis should start out from a position of assuming good faith
jfc

>>15168423
Seriously. Demanding the assumption of good faith towards people who openly conspired to fake data to get rid of history they didn't like is just incredibly brazen.

>>15168417
>according to snopes
KEK!
Pathetic AI bot post.

>>15168422
So you don’t have any arguments and just state the the data is fraudulent even though independent isotopic measurements validate it?
Thanks for conceding

>>15168263
I want to hear someone reconcile the satellite trend with the fact that there are 100-140 year old photographs like this from around the world.

>>15168435
Careful, jannies and mods will ban you for posting proof that climate change is a hoax. kek

>>15168434
Ok I'll lay it out here for you. Shallow-water coral isotope dating has no relation to the global average temperature. It's merely a local average, just like the US temperatures you poo-pooed earlier. You have no global thermometer averages because they are not taken and do not exist. Only the US has (or rather had, before 1990) comprehensive nationwide temperature measurements. Even European countries lack rigorous monitoring, and Africa's interior temperature is completely reliant on model-created data.

Your argument is built on so many lies that it's impossible for you to negotiate the maze and give a single, straightforward answer to any question.

>>15168435
If you can’t tell the difference between regional sea level that’s influenced by erosion and tectonics and global sea level rise then why are you posting your baseless opinions?

>>15168444
Climate soientists don't seem to be able to tell the difference so it's right to call them out for their nonsense.

>>15168435
>he doesn't know about tides
>he doesn't know that one random building doesn't reflect the world

>>15168435
i'm the anon who posted that graph. the satellite data is correct because it only shows a few millimeters (couple centimeters, at most) of increased sea level on average. key word: on average.

>>15168444
>There are two sea levels!
>Newton was wrong, gravity is woke and binary now!

>>15168450
I wonder why sea level rise is documented with global sea level altimetry instead of with pictures
>>15168440
Again complete ignorance or willful lying. The instrumental record is verified by proxies like corals as posted, other fast proxies and with satellite measurements. You’re just flat out refusing to believe data because you don’t like it.
You are still refusing to argue against specific methodology.

>>15168444
So the ground is pushing upwards in Sydney Harbor? picrel is the Statue of Liberty in 1891. The sea level looks the same as today.

>>15168460
>>15168444
fuck, I attached it. Anyway

>>15168459
>You are still refusing to argue against specific methodology.
I was quite specific. The global land temperature records alleged to exist in the Berkeley Earth program are fabricated.

Again, I am 100% in agreement with your argument! No amount of isolated local records can form a global trend. American data is obviously completely out the door, as are those silly little corals.

>>15168463
So you’re once again just stating it’s fabricated without any evidence or criticism of the specific methodology used to calculate the averages?
Ok anon

>>15168465
>without any evidence or criticism of the specific methodology
No actually I was quite specific. You're simply ignoring the truth because it's inconvenient. I ask you to do the following: go into your data and search for land temperature records from Africa. Find out which stations are physical, and which are not. Extrapolate from that whether a complete land temperature record can be formed for the continent, which as you know is quite a large portion of the Earth's landmass.

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>>15168461
Once again, the Climate Cult gets BTFO like a street-ho.

>>15167922
Now zoom out and see that's in cycles and we are on our way to an ice age (which happens ~10.000 years).

Vladovystok co2 ice core chart is also telling of this. There was 4x more Co2 during the dinosaur age than it is now.

>>15168451
Can you find a picture of that structure at high tide? I can't find one.

>>15168471
>Now zoom out and see that's in cycles and we are on our way to an ice age (which happens ~10.000 years).
>Vladovystok co2 ice core chart is also telling of this. There was 4x more Co2 during the dinosaur age than it is now.
True, and the rich elite are pushing for an ice age.
Part of the plan. See this anon's post. >>>15168176

>>15168150

No, CO2 makes plants more resistant to drought, by allowing them to have to breathe less and retain water, while also making them grow more rapidly.

On average it increases rainfall everywhere.

You're making things up to defend your religion.

>>15168471
>Vladovystok co2 ice core chart is also telling of this
What are you on about? Ice core CO2 doesn’t go back to the Cretaceous.
Even then the planet was under a completely different oceanic and continental configuration they life evolved and grew in. Rapid climate change now where the biosphere has adapted to a different climate pits it in danger.

>>15168469
You’re simply stating it’s fake even though satellite measurements and other methods corroborate it.

>>15168493
>danger.
ohhhh danger danger! Run around in circles!

>>15168493
Go brush your tooth limey.

>>15168501
>>15168502
No arguments yet again

>>15168493
>Rapid climate change now where the biosphere has adapted to a different climate pits it in danger.
REPENT! THE END IS NIGH!

>>15168504
Not same anon. This is a new one. I just hate pompous gay limey scum.

>>15168500
>even though satellite measurements and other methods corroborate it.
None of your measures agree with you without torturing them to fit a trend. You're humiliated and afraid of what will happen when your masters are thrown out of power.

>>15168241
>https://judithcurry.com/2014/07/07/understanding-adjustments-to-temperature-data/

I actually read the reference you gave, because, you know, I am a open minded sort of anon, and quite prepared to listen to another opinion.

I dont think you even bothered to, and if you did, you failed completely to critically analyze the arguments. You are hoping hoping that by touting a vague bullshitty reference that the matter is closed..

Here is why: quoted why its necessary "adjust" data;

a)"Many of these stations were set up in the late 1800s and early 1900s as part of a national network of weather stations, focused on measuring day-to-day changes in the weather rather than decadal-scale changes in the climate."

b)"Nearly every single station in the network in the network has been moved at least once over the last century, with many having 3 or more distinct moves."

c)"Most of the stations have changed from using liquid in glass thermometers (LiG) in Stevenson screens to electronic Minimum Maximum Temperature Systems (MMTS) or Automated Surface Observing Systems (ASOS)."

c) "Observation times have shifted from afternoon to morning at most stations since 1960, as part of an effort by the National Weather Service to improve precipitation measurements."

Here is the killer though, and again I quote:

"All of these changes introduce (non-random) systemic biases into the network."

This is utter drivel. How on earth anyone can conclude that the superposition effect of all these changes can be "non-random" and require a fixed difference is so unscientific its laughable.

You cant correct in a non-random way for all of the errors introduced this way, particularly when you are only looking at a fraction of a degree.

Worse, all the adjustments made happen to coincide with the ppm CO2 measured to exactly fit a CO2 vs adjustment delta graph. Aint that a coincidence?

I'm sorry, you are misguided. You quote shit you haven't read or understand.

>>15168513
>The data is fake because it lines up with the gas properties of co2 and it’s interactions with infrared light that were discovered long before we knew what the climate was
>The methodology of how these averages are built are publicly available and yet you fail to provide specific arguments of why it’s bad and just make blanket statements that the data is fraudulent.
These are truly amazing arguments

>>15168527
Actual illiteracy.

>>15168527
Data "are" not "is" fuckwit.

And secondly the data are fake because there is no way in this world a series of errors as described in the reference could in any way or form a non-random adjustment. Just think about it for a second you useless degenerate: Taking the temperature in the morning instead of the afternoon can be compensated by a .5 F adjustment? Just what the fuck ?? How? or moving the measurement station can be compensated by another .5F change just how?? You are so absolutely clueless that you head is so far up your asshole you cant see the obvious bs.

The data are fucking meaningless when applied to any side of the story for or against climate change.

>>15168527
Actual 65 IQ nigger. You completely misunderstood what that anon argued.

>>15168570
Yo dawg you being all racist n shit yo. Data be singular and be IS'n yo, so take yo are'n ass on outa here!

>>15168575
thanks for the laugh. I needed it. Slightly drunk ill admit :)

>>15167861
Any thoughts on the theory that the melting ice dilutes the salt water, thereby increasing its freezing point and increasing the amount of ice.

Potential for runaway ice age in such a scenario?

>>15167949
do you post this in every thread you get called out in?
you had a similar spergout at me for calling you out in another denier-thread

>>15168607
No I didn't. Why are you lying?

>>15168603
Basically if all the ice melts from global warming, then we get a freak cold event (perhaps caused by low solar activity from the sun) the increased freezing point could cause a new ice age.

>global warming will cause an ice age
these climate cultists are delusional and deranged. they deserve lashings.

>>15168611
Another thought it that this counters the effects of global warming, by causing more ice to appear in winter which then reflects more solar energy countering global warming effects.

>>15168610
so if I were to search the archive for "why are you lying"

>>15168570
All of these claims were specifically why Berkeley Earth was organized by climate skeptics that went through raw data and came up with the exact same conclusions as noaa and hadcrut
Not to mention that the data from surface temperature align with independent methodology

>>15168627
>Berkeley Earth was organized by climate skeptics
Why would you say something this stupid? Are you trying to get caught in a lie?

>>15168629
>Are you trying to get caught in a lie?
Are you?

>Berkeley Earth was conceived by Richard and Elizabeth Muller in early 2010 when they found merit in some of the concerns of climate skeptics. They organized a group of scientists to reanalyze the Earth’s surface temperature record, and published their initial findings in 2012.

>>15168630
Neither of them were or are "climate skeptics." The entire project was organized to debunk them in a way that they thought would convince skeptical scientists. It was done in an extremely deceptive way as well, which is why they constantly trot out soundbites of skeptical scientists saying they would trust the results (when they were discussing the original proposal, rather than the final fraudulent methodology).

>>15168629
Berkely leftists are fighting climate-change leftists who want world domination.
Let both sides of idiots fight.

>>15168635
>dude it was fake
The whole code and raw data is there for you to formulate an argument as why their data is wrong

>>15168627
>https://judithcurry.com/2014/07/07/understanding-adjustments-to-temperature-data/
The problem is that you cannot make this kind of resolution for an PV based upon so many variables.

I am sure that this is the best that can be done. Berkeley Earth obviously agree. But that doesnt mean it can be held up as a valid .5F difference. That is the point.

Just like temperatures from ice cores don't reflect anything more than a time smoothed average over thousands of years. You just dont have the resolution to make statements as bold as claimed.

>>15168643
There are many people who have thoroughly debunked their findings. If you had read any of them I might be willing to indulge you, but you don't want discussion and I don't need to rehash that argument with you. You post this every time in every thread because it's your job, you already know the score.

The bottom line is that people hate you. They're rejecting your ideology more and more every day, and that scares you.

>>15168647
The rapid anthropogenic warming is captured in a variety of high resolution and high accumulation proxies like corals and snow firn, not to mention that it’s consistent with satellite measurements and sea surface measurements

>>15168659
>The bottom line is that people hate you. They're rejecting your ideology more and more every day, and that scares you.
from this post alone I can not tell if this poster is convinced antropogenic climate change is real or whether this poster is a full-on climate denier

this is basically just emotional us-vs-them arguing at this point without any grounding

>>15168683
Not that anon, but one must assume he is hating the climate-cult AWG scum, since the whole conspiracy theory of "climate change" is just a money laundering scam and hoax.

>>15168688
the ones with heavy financial incentives are actually big oil but ok anon

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>>15168461
ok so why isn't this good proof, two diff buildings in very diff parts of the world

also what the fuck is this fake argument
wtf are these schizos arguing about

>t. retard

>>15168693
>the ones with heavy financial incentives are actually big oil
Those are the corporations/governments that push the whole "climate change" scam hoax.

"Climate Change" = higher gas/oil prices, which makes big oil and government richer via fees and taxes.

That is why the climate change hoax is pushed by government and big oil. This shit isn't rocket science. Just basic street scams on a global scale.

>>15168527
is this guy just pretending?

>>15167861
Well according to the Milankovitch cycle we should be headed for warmer times.
So global warming will come one way or another.
I say let us go faster so we can burn all the impurities of this earth!!

>>15167879
Good boy, now cut your penis to save the planet.

>>15167922
You lost all credibility by creating covid to sell trash vaccines. Now you want to humiliate me and starve me using as excuse that stupid climate change shit. You will get what you fucking deserve.
https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1675222160431387.webm

>>15169101
2 more weeks Ivan?

>OH NO THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END!!!!!
>QUICK, GIVE ME ALL YOUR MONEY RIGHT NOW OR WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!

>>15168681
>rapid anthropogenic warming is captured in a variety of high resolution and high accumulation proxies like corals
What amazes me is the fluidity at which you pinheads change the focus of the argument. Weve gone from saying that temperature measurements cannot be "adjusted" with a .5F degree of resolution to ..well OK but look at the great barrier reef if you want better precision of temperature changes. Well just fucking look at it.

https://www.globalcitizen.org/fr/content/great-barrier-reef-recovery/

Have you guys no shame or idea of accountability?

>>15168129
This chart shows that the ice is getting deeper, dumbass. LOL

The negative numbers getting more negative means the ice is getting taller.

>>15168746
>pushed by big oil
Right, after decades of denial and obfuscation campaigns despite their own scientist knowing that global warming was a problem and had accurate predictions of warming.

Funny how no one wants to mention that the lead scientist says this discovery doesn't invalidate AGW and knew retards (including ones here) would exploit it wrongly.

https://bigthink.com/the-present/2015-nasa-study-antarctic-ice-climate-change-skeptic/

Also doesn't cover warming of glaciers, Greenland, and the Arctic.

>>15169785
Production/rollout of "Green Tech" relies on petrochemical industry. Show me one solar/wind/hydro-powered ship/plane used to transport all those materials/components/finished products between all those different companies/vendors/warehouses on all those different continents. This is classic scarcity/slow switch, ween them off the oil with higher prices while forcing in an inferior replacement at an extortionate rate.

You’d have to be an idiot to deny global warming is fake. If you were born blind and or deaf, you can FEEL how it’s warmer now. It hasn’t snowed ALL winter so far and I live in the northeast.

>>15170758
>You’d have to be an idiot to deny global warming is fake.
This.

>>15170758
>You’d have to be an idiot to deny global warming is fake.
>hasn’t snowed ALL winter so far ... in the northeast
As a Coloradan, I accept your self-diagnosis.

>>15170777
confirmed

>>15167861
>more ice means it's colder!!!!
Hey dumbass, water freezes just the same whether it's minus 70 or minus 7. More glacier ice is produced when more snow falls inland, and snowfall amounts are driven by air humidity, which increases with temperatures. Basically, more snow at the poles in winter points towards greater rates of global evaporation, which points to climate warming.
Also both arctic and antarctic average temperatures have been rising steadily.

>>15168125
Giga, meaning billions (the number of sperm cells I would deposit inside of her FAS pussy anonymously)

>>15170777
>You’d have to be an idiot to deny global warming is fake.

No this also shows your ignorance. Most of us will quite happily accept that global warming is true, and that it has been going on for the last 10 000 years or so. Which is why large portions of the continents are now ice free. This was obviously caused by Woolly Mammoths riding their Harleys.

And hey - guess what - some of us will also accept that the recent warming trend is accelerating. And that burning 100 000 000 barrels of oil a day isn't the brightest use of this precious resource (manufacture of synthetic chemicals are a much better use, for example).

What we resent is the repeated onslaught that doomsday is nigh (even after multiple failures of predictions) by the media and fools like yourself who really have no idea where the new source of energy is coming from to replace oil.

A calm mind is needed together with a well thought out plan is needed to move from fossil fuels to alternate sources.

Creating rampant hysteria to provide motivational force is the most stupid thing to do. There is no coherent plan. Worse, when the hysteria is proven false, these turkeys keep at it with "new" and "improved" models producing "new" and "improved" hysteria.

Global warming is suddenly "climate change" so no matter what the fuck happens (or why), you are covered. Fear speed 9 captain.

Pro tip: There are far more dangers to the human population than climate change. The earth will be just fine no matter what happens - forget about saving it.

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>>15171027
>water freezes just the same whether it's minus 70 or minus 7
That isn't true at all. Are you fucking retarded?

>>15168022
Yes, if the ecosystem were an unstable equilibrium, it would have fallen apart and destroyed life millions of years ago.

>>15168067
This is one of the most retarded posts in this thread. Rising CO2 levels are universally good for plants, and the Sahara has been shrinking as a result for the last 30 years. In fact, optimal levels for plants are even higher than what we have now.

>>15168235
Yeah, right next to the 35 gorillion scientists who said the lab leak theory of covid is racist

>the climate is changing
>my chest? still flat as a pancake
mtf

Global warming needs to be accelerated so that Antarctica can be turned into a giant farming settlement. We need at least 1000 pm of CO2 in the atmosphere to make this happen.

>>15171036
Look at this denialist. Global warming never existed. This is a long con psy op ran by big oil to making you distrust everything related to climate study. There was never any global warming. Nobody ever said the glaciers would melt and that sea levels would rise.
Instead of global warming, which science has never said existed, we are in a time of unseasonably inclement weather.
Science has also never said that man is causing this unseasonably inclement weather. IN fact, it man merely possibly offers a contribution. This is yet to be confirmed. Instead, we said it is humanely correlated unseasonably inclement weather.
Brow beaters like you do much more harm than good but misrepresenting OUR models.
I bet you believe in natural immunity too.
Fucking chud.

>>15168022
>All Earth needs is more trees and the system balances itself
Funny about that

>>15167922
Nice lie.

>>15168022
Did you know trees release a huge amount of methane?

>>15173628
Trees release racism also!
Destroy the trees! Cancel them!

>>15173632
No shit? Planting a bunch of trees tomorrow.

>>15173636
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/kamala-harris-and-the-problem-with-racist-trees/

Based. What are the most racist trees to plant? In for research purposes.

>>15173636
Make sure to get a cattle ranch too. Nothing pisses of glohohomo warming faggots more than cattle wandering a pasture eating.

>>15173642
Oaks. Very suitable for lynchings.

>>15173643
>Nothing pisses of glohohomo warming faggots more than cattle wandering a pasture eating.
for a bonus reeeeee, use stacked piles of old tires for fencing to keep them in.

>>15168286
the global land records not culling fucking airports from their database only demonstrates their mendaciousness

>>15173642
>What are the most racist trees to plant? In for research purposes
Species that exclude lesser trees from growing are good. Eucalyptus for example are pretty based colonising assholes

>>15172657
ESL or drunk? or both?