/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15167063
definitely 100% or less

>>15167065
Very good and usefull answer

>>15167086
Thankyou. I had already validated it was useful when I wrote it but it's always good to have additional validation

It is inevitable.
How long it will take is another question.

>>15167063
it happened before, it can happen again:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permian%E2%80%93Triassic_extinction_event
biodiversity didn't recover for millions of years.

>>15167063
Life=Carbon

A lifeless, sterile universe would be beautiful

>>15167063
Impossible.

>>15167302
How could something be beautiful if there's nothing to perceive it?

>>15167302
Kill yourself then

>>15167063
In the ocean fish stock collapses are usually replaced by jellyfish. It seems jellyfish are best adapted to surviving inside a world altered by humans.

>>15167327
Jellyfish, rats, cockroaches, mosquitoes, fungi, all thriving thanks to humans.

>>15167063
The planet is fine. The people are fucked.

>>15167344
No, we’re fine. Humans are the most numerous they’ve ever been and simultaneously the average person eats the most they ever have.

>>15167348
Mentally diseased golems like you need not reply.

>>15167348
This, we’re busy contemplating inhabiting other planets and the origin of the universe, we’re doing just fine

>>15167357
>nooo don’t reply with facts

>>15167344
You've got it completely backwards, retard.

>>15167362
>>15167361
Diseased and nonsentient. Is the ruling class even doing anything wrong trying to maim or kill these "people"?

>>15167348
Based, thanks for fact-checking that chud, where would be the world without useful and knowledgeable people like you?

>>15167063
>the world is coming to an end!!!
>i'm gooonnnnaaa save the world!!!!
>just like my heroe in muh marvel comix mooovies!!
>then people will finally give me the repsect and admiration i feel i deserve!!
atheistic power/revenge fantasies

>>15167425
>it's okay if the planets is destroyed guys, God will just give us a new one!
>God said we can do whatever we want with the Earth (Genesis 1:29-30)
>BTW isn't it great God created all this shit for us to destroy!
>God is good!

>>15167425
Spot-on. It's just more of the standard narcissism and megalomania.

>>15167443
Cringe and whinge.

>>15167443
Your evil and anti-human ideology is dying out.

>>15167302
This. Praise Christ and The Holy Bible.

Life, genetics, will never end. Death, is a beginning of anew. There are exit ways but life will continue none the less. You don't have the save planets as they are disposable, but you might want to perform well as to not break any laws, such as neglecting animals or plant life, or blockading society or causing societal degradation.

Law breaking will affect you when you die, or potentially instantly after death.

Learn from planet life which shows you how to be good. Don't try to save the planet, just don't take part in it's downfalling.

>>15167685
For example it's okay to drive. It's not breaking any laws. It's not good for the planet but the objective isn't planet welfare. However, you shouldn't break any laws like animal cruelty. That's more a personal objective.

>>15167695
If the ecosystem breaks in the future, planet life is more to blame than each individual human no?

>>15167443
Planets are very large and, for now, impossible to destroy. However, it’s actually in our self interest to eventually destroy the Earth and the other planets because, pound for pound, planets are very inefficient ways to create living space compared to rotating space habitats. If we dismantled the Earth and used it’s minerals to build space stations, we could support a population well beyond the trillions.

>>15168373
No thanks shlomo. I'd like to live in large green fields on a comfortable planet instead of in a pod on your bughive.

>>15167695
What the fuck do you mean “not good for the planet”? Cars release CO2 which makes it warmer and makes plants grow faster. Up to a point, which we’re nowhere close to, that’s just a benefit to Earth’s lushness.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth/

>>15168376
We can have large green fields within O’Neill cylinders. More than we ever could on Earth.

>>15168377
There's no way of exceeding the beneficial point anyway. CO2 has a hard limit on its effect on temperature which we've already passed. It would take 1000s more ppm to make Earth even a degree warmer.

>>15168385
We still have ice caps; we’re not there yet. Jurassic Era jungle planet here we come hell yeah

there were times hundreds of millions of years ago when the entire earth was covered in ice for many millions of years and life did not collapse
it is therefore not likely at all

>>15168408
Define life

>>15167063
how do we know there were more whales in the 1800s

>>15167063
>How likely is a collapse of life?
100%, eventually.

>>15167063
Low, but there are forms of survival that are not desirable.

>>15168420
We don't really know. Nobody was counting them.

>>15168420
Literally one search term away.

https://www.lenfestocean.org/en/news-and-publications/published-paper/longterm-population-size-of-the-north-atlantic-humpback-whale

>>15168553
So we actually have no idea what their population was

>>15167302
The big freeze. You're wish is inevitable

>>15168958
Daamit I hate homophones

>>15167327
You don’t succeed for half a billion years by being fragile enough for something like measly human induced environmental destruction to impact you

>>15167063
Unlikely. Life is extremely adapative, granted thats a generalization, some species adapt, some perish. Overall, life finds a way. Even if 99% of life on this planet perishes, 1% will survive, adapt and then flourish.

>>15167216
But, it DID happen. Life is resilient.

>>15167668
Neither Christ nor the Bible said the universe would be lifeless after the rapture.

>>15167063
Mutational load is so high that most people won't be able to survive a civilizational collapse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpIgAHF_his

>>15169009
There is no Rapture in the Bible anyway. The end times happen to everyone and then the new kingdom of heaven is created.

>>15167344
>>15167515
>>15167685
>>15167703
>>15168980
>>15169004
>>15169007

The planet is not fine. Heavy metals are essential nutrients, and we removed them. Life WILL colapse unless we put them back.

>>15167063
>How likely is a collapse of life?
Life will not go away as long as there is oxygen and liquid water. Larger animals that can't adapt will perish, and then smaller animals will continue filling in the niches for the next millions of years. I mean if there is a void it doesn't take much time for animals to adapt, especially smaller animals, that have faster gestation, smaller animals can have multiple gestation per year, that means more opportunity for mutations, and since there are niches to fill some adaptation can be better than the original, that's how new species develop over time

>>15169122
Insects are disappearing because of >>15169087

>>15167348
That's the frightening thing about human-made systems, usually they go on chugging along without a hitch until they reach a threshold and suddenly stop working altogether.

>>15167302
But this is already the universe basically

>>15168377
More CO2 release will cause an acidification of the ocean which will kill lots of marine life. Though not much is left of it anyway with the overfishing going on and all the microplastics so yeah...

>>15169133
Insects will NEVER disappear
some insects disappear because they are too specialized

>>15169007
biodiversity didn't recover for MILLIONS OF YEARS. But hey, maybe people will stop giving a shit. Maybe disney can make up cartoon animals as a substitute for the real thing. Maybe people will get into rat and pidgeon watching.
>>15170174
can't wait to see huge swarms of roaches as they fill up niches that were left.

>>15170171
what ph is the ocean supposed to be? what ph is it currently?

>>15169087
how about you start for us by injecting lead into your veins?

>>15167065
So there can be a negative chance?

>>15167063
Likely? It already happened, as per your image. The question is how low we will go

>>15169122
Thanks gpt-3

(((>>15167302)))

>>15167302
Beauty is entirely an assigned value by a conscious observer. Without living beings, all concepts of positive and negative, or beautiful and ugly cease to exist entirely.

>>15167327
Jellyfish tanked the goddamn Great Dying, plus every other extinction. They may have even evolved during the cryogenian. Some plastic bags and algal blooms aren't gonna hurt them.

>>15170709
>thinks roaches are the most adaptable insects
You just outed yourself as a prime midwit

>>15170174
No it's a mass dieoff at this point. There is a couple species that seem to fare better. I believe their hepatopancreas fails when cadmium intake is too low. This seems to affect all land arthropods. Woodlice seem especially sensitive.
>>15170734
I do take red lead as I wrote several times before.

>>15167063
very unlikely
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-26/humpback-whales-no-longer-listed-as-endangered/100862644
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/19/world/middleeast/red-sea-coral-climate.html

>>15171025
He is assigning it to the empty universe he imagines as a conscious observer. What's your point? To be fair, both of you sound like you're just barely on the margins of sentience.

whales and other big fish didn't go nearly instinct because of plastic bags, they got nearly wiped out because the fishing/whaling business couldn't help itself with all the new 20th century tech for murdering animals. the primordial territorial instincts are still deeply rooted in mankind.

>>15167063
>How likely is a collapse of life?

In a billion years our sun will become so hot conditions on earth will be like now on Venus. Life is no longer possible. But mankind is doing everything to speed it up.

>>15168553
that paper does not explain how we know it

>>15167306
This is the correct answer.
Biospheres prove it

>>15167063
I love when they drop a weighed net on the ocean floor and scoop up literally everything

>>15172357
>a billion years
Plenty of time. A billion years ago only microbes existed.