/sci/ - Science & Math

Depths in Gravity Wells.

Does it matter?

momentum, or motion.
but since motion is what creates time and space in the first place, matter is space-time

you are made from space-time

Light energy baked into a sweet or savoury pie.

E=mc2
A=πr2

All things are pi, the original circle.

>>15166831
No retard. That's how matter is made. Not what matter is. GOSH. Actually do some research and read the question properly nerdfacesyndrome.

Lickmyballs

inb4 a psued says something about the higgs field

>>15166801
Information

>>15166850
SHUT. UP
now

>>15166852
It's true though. Everything is made of atoms which are defined by information. Without Information everything would be uniform.

>>15166858
>atoms which are defined by information
psued shit

>>15166841
Mass and energy are one and the same m8.
Or rather, they are separated by the constant c^2, or the speed of light squared, which is literally the _only_ thing that separates them. Which brings us to my previous post: >>15166822

We are space-time.
You can't prove me wrong.

>>15166865
Semantics.

>>15166864
We are inside a big computer. It is why computation is even possible at all. Because it is fundamental.

>>15166871
We are spacetime. But that still does not explain what spacetime fundamentally is.

>>15166875
If reality _CAN_ be simulated (in a quantum computer, say) then in infinite time, it necessarily already _HAS_ been.

>>15166884
What is a quantum computer if not a dimensionality made into a tech. To use a quantum computer one must be law obiding.

>>15166878
it's motion

Confined energy.

>>15166801
consciousness crystalized

>>15166888
There are these properties called location and momentum, which cannot exist intrinsically at the same time. Unless interfered with, a particle literally IS in multiple locations at the same time. It would be useful to simply do away with the notion of a particle. Then, this might be easier to accept.

>>15166801
All Hail King Aether sci God.

>>15166895
>There are these properties called location and momentum, which cannot exist intrinsically at the same time. Unless interfered with, a particle literally IS in multiple locations at the same time.

Only due to perspective though.

Maybe particles are singularities in a field and an actual "particle" doesn't exist, but it doesn't matter because the notion of a particle is cool and it's easy to do calculations with. We have these dot things where a field behaves weirdly and everything comes together in a funny way, so might as well call it a particle.

>>15166886
NTA It's not that the universe is a computer al la Simulation Hypothesis, just that either the universe is so massive that all possible combinations of atoms must occur at least once meaning anything that can happen will an infinite number of times. That means we've had this conversation an infinite number of times and will again and again forever.

>>15166801
Matter is just globs of bloop.
>>15166858
Information is defined by matter, not the other way around. Matter is more fundamental than information, which is not fundamental.

Indeed, according to the Greek atomists, if we kept on dividing things into ever-smaller bits, at the end there would remain solid, indivisible particles called atoms, imagined to be so concrete as to have even particular shapes. Yet, as our understanding of physics progressed, we’ve realized that atoms themselves can be further divided into smaller bits, and those into yet smaller ones, and so on, until what is left lacks shape and solidity altogether. At the bottom of the chain of physical reduction there are only elusive, phantasmal entities we label as “energy” and “fields”—abstract conceptual tools for describing nature, which themselves seem to lack any real, concrete essence.

To some physicists, this indicates that what we call “matter,” with its solidity and concreteness—is an illusion; that only the mathematical apparatus they devise in their theories is truly real, not the perceived world the apparatus was created to describe in the first place. From their point of view, such a counterintuitive conclusion is an implication of theory, not a conspicuously narcissistic and self-defeating proposition.

Indeed, according to information realists, matter arises from information processing, not the other way around. Even mind—psyche, soul—is supposedly a derivative phenomenon of purely abstract information manipulation. But in such a case, what exactly is meant by the word “information,” since there is no physical or mental substrate to ground it?

>>15166841
How made, what is, same thing.
Energy is the area of spacetime trapped/bounded by a circle.

The radius of the area is the speed of light, in other words, the amount of distance light can travel in one unit frame tick of the computer clock (squared because it’s a 2d circle).

Your mistake is thinking that mass/matter is a rational variable, when really it’s irrationally pie. The only thing that changes is how much energy is captured in how much spacetime.

>>15166801
Matter is something that has volume and mass.

>>15166801
Matter is a physical substance because it has mass and takes up space, as demonstrated by its ability to interact with other forms of matter and energy.

And we know that matter is a physical substance because it has mass and takes up space, as demonstrated by its ability to interact with other forms of matter and energy.

>>15166801
I know, not gonna tell you THOUGH

>>15166801
Doesn't matter. What matters is how many cocks have you sucked today. I have done 5 so far.

>>15166822
if time suddenly stopped tomorrow though wouldn't the matter all still be there ?

>>15166801

>>15166801
What is matter?
Never mind
What is mind?
It doesn't matter

>>15167095

Time doesn't exist. It is simply the locational relationship of matter. Matter is consciousness. Consciousness is fundamental. Existence equals the act of experiencing. Human life is consciousness experiencing itself.

Condensed vibrations of thought.

>>15166822
really? that just seems like an artefact of physics. because the most intuitive, basic physics involves an abstract body with properties assigned to describe its motion. because motion is most relevant and intuitive. in fact, ancient atomism is arrived at in a similar intuitive way, by reductionism then analogy of that reductionism when trying to elaborate on the preexisting belief in a fundamental substance that makes up reality. and they're both suited to mathematics. which is again an ancient belief about mathematics comprising or generating reality. in our science is these artefacts which moderns with poor grasp on philosophy have brought back to life as literalisms rather than conventions born of need and tradition, which is generally how it was understood in the past. literalism clearly dominates as intellectual standards have waned and Science has become culty.

>>15166975
they can be divided further because they don't really exist. it's amendments to a model when it fails to be comprehensive, not literally finding finer particles of reality. that's why it can go on forever. because you can always make finer descriptions and concepts, and certainly you'll need to if you want more useful models. says nothing about the depth of reality and more about our minds.

>>15166801
I don't know, whatsdamatter with you?

>>15167232
>they can be divided further because they don't really exist. it's amendments to a model when it fails to be comprehensive, not literally finding finer particles of reality. that's why it can go on forever. because you can always make finer descriptions and concepts, and certainly you'll need to if you want more useful models. says nothing about the depth of reality and more about our minds.
also even if you believe in atoms or think it likely in some real sense, you have to concede that models are models, not those atoms. and thus they can invent finer particles as they please or more importantly need.

>>15167232

Yeah the issue is that somewhere along the way everyone forgot that science and math is merely mankind's perception of reality, not reality itself. Math is just a language; an imperfect descriptor used to identify what we call patterns, since we can grasp patterns.

Science and math needs to redefine itself to grow beyond mere human perception of spacetime, or fully acknowledge its limits and step aside so that real work can continue.

>>15167234
What is mind? No matter.
What is matter? Never mind.
HAHAHAHAHAHA

My mom died of cancer. Her dying words were -I don’t want to come back here. My instinct is that she knew that she would come back, and did not want for that to happen. Unfortunately, this looks like it is out of our hands.

>>15167296
The problem with this is that reality cannot be perceived. Our minds are limited in scope. Compared to that, reality may well be limitless. How do you contain something larger inside something smaller? You can’t.

>>15167095
time mattter and space are indivisible

time is a measure of the expansion of the universe

>>15167435

Huh? Your mind (brain) only perceives mechanical inputs. YOU are the observer of the brain. YOU are reality.

>>15167426

Maybe she just meant the hospital? In what circumstances did she say that? What were your last words to her?

My mom died when I was young and I've always wondered what her last words were. I don't remember my last words to her either.

>>15166822
>motion is what creates time and space
exactly
finally someone who understands

>>15167441
Carl Sagan said we are the universe understanding itself. He did not go far enough. We are the universe.

>>15167441
>you are the observer of the brain
That is exactly it. Who is the you in this scenario? It is a passive observer, devoid of free will, about whom we know nothing. And he inhabits each and every one of us.

>>15167449

What's the difference?

>>15167451

>devoid of free will

You were good until there.

>>15167454
Entanglement hints at monism. That is, everything is one. There is not even a distinction between man, nature or god (if you believe in one). It is all one, unbroken object. David Tong said that spacetime is non-discretizable. This would fit in with that picture of reality.

>>15167457
Passive pretty much implies lacking in freedom of will

God's cum.

>>15166801
99,99 void.
The rest doesn't matter.

>>15167486
B-but modern science teaches that there is no such thing as a void. Even so-called empty space is replete with minuscule energies.

>>15167440
>time mattter and space are indivisible
mathematically, when considering spacetime. Time is just the progression of reality. If time suddenly stopped then reality would not progress and everything would stand still. If time slowed down by half then things would move at half the speed relative to their previous speed. If time stopped then the matter doesn't disappear. Just like if you pause a VCR the tape doesn't disappear

>>15167440
>time is a measure of the expansion of the universe
time is the progression of reality
>Time is the continued sequence of existence and events that occurs in an apparently irreversible succession from the past, through the present, into the future
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time

>>15167478

Well you are not a passive observer because you are both the subject and the object. There is an illusion that we are a bundle of atoms in the pattern of what we call a human, but it's just an illusion. What is clear, though, is that observation does impact spacetime (quantum mechanics). And that is because consciousness is fundamental. Now, I still don't understand why or how the illusion of a "human" experience came to be. Are we just a brain experiencing itself? But why this bundle of atoms and not any other bundle of atoms?

>>15166801
Matter is the ability to resist external interactions, and the ability to interact with other external matter.
If you could not resist external interactions, you would be destroyed for your heat.
If you could not interact, it's impossible to tell if you can exist.
Electromagnetism is interaction using internal configuration. There's no shared medium. There's nothing that says two separate internals can be configured to look like they are interacting.
It looks like they are interacting over an empty void because of an inherent delay required for independence.
Long ago something happened where being independent was easier than having a universal shared medium.

>>15167406
Based boomer

Matter is gravity-space, Energy is space-time.

>>15167554

What the FUCK are you talking about?

>>15167580
Honestly DON'T SHOUT LIKE THAT WHEN IM HERE

>>15167582
Sorry King Aether, hail you

>>15166801
baryons and fermions with charges that cause them to move forward in time/have increasing entropy.

>>15167593
Ehahahahaha! Who dares hail me?

Be gone peasant.

>>15167554
>Long ago something happened
You were doing so well and then you dropped the ball like that.

>>15166822
ha

he ended his sentence with it

he must be based!

What I am getting from this thread is that no one, not even the most important physicists, actually know what matter is.

>>15167804
Dude I explained matter is Gravity-Space, or spaces occuring in gravitational wells. It takes form because gravity is generic, you have identity in a gravity well and there are very complex genetics. So Gravity-Space becomes myself because of the genetic imprint in whatever well I'm in leads to this characterization.

we are made of matter
and here we are pondering it
perhaps it is time to give up
ai will better apprehend these issues
since we have been such abject and monumental failures

>>15167808
>I explained something in terms of something else. That something else not being explained by me, or by anyone else for that matter.
That should explain it!

>>15167808
Sean carroll said that we should not quantize gravity but gravitize the quantum. Makes sense, yeah?

>>15166878
there exists the speed of causality (speed of light). this must not be infinite because everything would instantaneously be everywhere if it were. this implies distance / time.

>>15167865
Causality itself has been called into question. Causality is a thing that works if we assume that there is only one universe. This is quite an assumption.

>>15166801
energy that moves slower than light, which somehow causes time

>>15166841
Fuck off nigger faggot

>>15167524
Lmao observation is interaction, turbo pseud retard
You guys are lost forever

>>15168252

No shit dumbass. Show me how anything I said contradicts that

>>15166801
Swirling fiery rocks in all fields.

>>15166801
a measurable 3D section of space wherein a quantum particle can be assumed to exist, within a certainty that nears but does not reach 100%. that tiny % chance a quantum particle does NOT exist in that space is what fuels shit like atomic decay because there is always that 0.00001% chance one of the particles within the atom will just spontaneously exist outside of the effective radius of the atom, detaching and becoming radiation.

>>15167095
if one of the spatial dimensions suddenly ceased to exist tomorrow, does reality divide into an infinite number of 2D cross-sections, or do an infinite number of said cross-sections cease to exist, leaving only a single 2D cross-section of reality?

>>15167524

>>15167185
time absolutely exists be just don't understand it worth shit.

Matter is potentiality to receive form

>>15167446
You do know it was Aristotle who proposed this? So people have "understood" it for the past ~2k years.

>>15166801

Pure ideology.

>>15166884
This

>>15166933
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_collapse
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel%27s_ontological_proof
Literally God
>if it can happen it will happen
>extends to: we live in a loop, so it already happened

I've had a thought lately.
Suppose you'd live in an infinite universe capable of simulating the existence of reality itself, stopping or halting said simulations while conscious beings reside inside would be nothing short of murder.
The only moral way to halt such a simulation, would be to add some form of naturally occuring expiration date. Entropy, for example.
Now suppose the paradox of a finite universe such as ours. Makes you think, doesn't it?

>>15166933
But also per >>15165002 and >>15165014 the copy pasting of data as you approach the singularity works just like moving ram per op codes on cpu registers, or like a turning machine. So there are literally programs being run from everything from simulations of everything to databases that query and pull up reality on indexes. Then you also get into the Halting problem, where there is no mathematical proof that a program isn’t running in an infinite loop.
But causality is a directional acyclic graph so causally, everything is a shadow of something else, emanating from a Gaussian beam (beam of light)

>>15170646
The naturally occurring expiration date (time limit) is the event horizon (last event) on a black hole. But then information gets more complicated per>>15170659

>>15167524

>>15167524
peak pseud