/sci/ - Science & Math

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Take this shit to /g/. From a scientific perspective, human space flight makes as much sense as microwave-oven psychology.

>>1514575
I would think that, from a scientific perspective, a bill which will leech billions from NASA's scientific research and technological development programs would warrant protest.

>>1514575
retard detected

>>1514575
You're right, we should just stay on this little blue dot.

What the hell /sci/? Our public space program and virtually any hope of a private space industry are about to be traded in to turn NASA into a fucking welfare program and all that news gets is a shrug of the shoulders?

Science will continue to be first on the list for every cutback and cancellation if people don't start showing a little fucking outrage over shit like this!

Its funny because 'merica needs to cut budget on everything.

And guys, don't worry. Europe, russia, and japan are all doing major work in space within the next years.

Japan plans to create a robot moon base by 2020
Source: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20006075-1.html

And ESA & russians are making an orbiting ship yard by 2025

Source: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/05/20/326773/2025-leo-shipyard-is-new-esa-roscosmos-goal.h
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That explains why my professor hasn't bashed me yet for the special problem I handed in 3 days ago...

>>1514289
I'd like to take this moment to express my immense dissatisfaction with America. I was born here and am a legal citizen, but i fucking hate society here. It seems like everyone here is retarded and puts everything before science. They don't seem to understand just how important it is. Other countries have it figured out, which only leads me to believe that Americans lacks the intelligence to realize that we must be a science and education based country to continue to be a leading world power. I will, for one of the first times, take action in shaping the politics of this lost cause country. Just as soon as i find out who my representative is.. cause i haven't given as shit until now...

Where will I be able to watch this house debate or at least get news about it? This is something I'd like to monitor.

>>1515037
C-SPAN ?

>>1515037
Cspan

>>1514959
And China too.

>>1515049
China cannot into space

>>1515043
>>1515041
Holy fuck I'm stupid, I forgot all about that channel.
But anyway, are they 100% for sure airing the debate tomorrow morning?

I'm reading through it right now...

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h5781rh.txt.pdf

and I see 19 billion allotted for the 2011 fiscal year alone and it has up to the 2015 fiscal year planned.

I'm finding no mention of the Constellation program either.

Is there something I'm missing?

>>1515010
It's the same in the UK unfortunately. Everything is "hurr durr sports". No-one is interested in intellectualism. I don't know about other countries though.

>>1515010
What city do you live in, I'll look it up for you.

>>1515074


SEC. 202. RESTRUCTURED EXPLORATION PROGRAM.
(a) REQUIREMENTS.—Not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Administrator shall develop a plan to restructure the exploration program in existence prior to fiscal year 2011 in order to develop and demonstrate in an integrated manner and as expeditiously and efficiently as practicable a governmentally owned crew transportation system and heavy lift transportation system that satisfies the following requirements:
(1) The plan shall make maximum practicable use of the design, development, and test work completed to date on the Orion crew exploration vehicle, Ares I crew launch vehicle, heavy lift launch vehicle system, and associated ground support and exploration enabling systems, including spacesuit development and related life support technology, and take best advantage of investments and contracts implemented to date.


Translation from legalese: They're continuing Constellation to the letter, starting with spending another 10-20 billion to finish the Ares I

>>1515174

>>1515174
>Translation from legalese: They're continuing Constellation to the letter, starting with spending another 10-20 billion to finish the Ares I

NIGGERDICK CUNTRAGS

>>1515174
Jesus Christ cut the slack (Mars) out of constellation and concentrate on a Moon base. Mars is quite impossible, what Nasa has now is not nearly enough and half ridiculous and meanwhile we are loosing the space station that was meant to help building larger structures on the Moon. Damn that and G.W.Bush.

>>1515268
Moon base is never going to happen with Constellation... not in our lifetimes. They're going to finish Ares I around 2018, Ares V won't be flying for a decade after that. And if by happy chance they're actually able to fly to the Moon by 2030, the cuts made to technological development mean that without billions in new funding or gutting the entire science department to scavenge funds, there won't be a lander let alone a Moon base ready when we can actually get there.

For fuck's sake people, write your congressmen. If this bill passes then NASA's only hope is the senate voting the bill down or the president vetoing it... neither of which are likely.

>>1515286
Except for SpaceX I have given up an American Space industry. Yes they are doing cool stuff right now but I think the Moon is going to be Japachinese with a small European joint venture part attached somewhere in the near future.

But hey, you Americans have been there. No need to go back. Or so said Christopher Kolumbus.

Fuck your nerd shit, we have wars going on. And you know how important it is to keep proliferating those by throwing lots and lots of money at them.

>>1515316
The Bigelow Aerospace and SpaceX are on track to start assembling the first commercial space station by 2014, this first station could be ready to lease to public or private groups as early as 2015... unless of course something completely retarded happens like... say... the entire COTS program being gutted.

>Phd in mathematics
>any duck i want
>3000k cookies

Sent one to my rep, hopefully it gets to them before the vote.

Hahaha.

Humanity is boned.

Sent this in, fingers crossed

FYI, they don't read the letters. they have people that do that for them.

Also, they only care if they get a fuckton of letters. Your much better making a petition.

Also, i recommend you sign up for CREDO action, they usually care about NASA shit. They also try to sell you phones, but thats like one email a month.

it's far too late. It's obvious America isn't interested in space anymore, they'd rather spend the money on defense.

China's on its way to be the next big spacefaring nation much like the USA were half a decade ago. But those times are over.

Guys, space travel is dead. We're never going to have anything beyond satellites. No one is ever going to fund large scale space exploration and the people with cash would rather die rich on Earth than give a penny of it to keep the species alive in space.

Our future is dead, so live up what you can right now.

We need to email more... or else Star Fleet is never gonna happen!

Nasa is dead. and it's because they never had competition after they beat russia to the moon

The future of human space travel is in privatized space.

Competition = Good

>>1516093
THE NEW NASA

>>1516093

>Implying private companies can afford the costs involved
>Implying governments won't heavily restrict private companies for security reasons
>Implying space exploration isn't dead

Just accept that we're all going to die on this rock and never even get a chance to leave humanity's crib.

>>1516106
Go die in a hole
you are humanity's number 1 enemy. [Ignorant, pessimistic assholes]

>>1516096
Intelligence Taskforce?

Wouldn't UNISA United Nations International Space Administration, be more appropriate?

I emailed. Told him that if he didn't oppose it, I'd put my dick in a blender.

>>1516137

Not who you're replying to, but he's being realistic. There is nothing to suggest that the human race will ever progress further into space than it has now. In all likelyhood the moon landings were the pinacle of human achievement. The industrial age has just been a blip, as soon as the oil starts to run out (i.e. a couple of years ago) it'll all be over. People think that just because we've been living like this for less than 50 years it'll last forever. People are idiots.
And even if we could somehow overcome the obstacle of energy depletion, realistically, governments simply cannot allow private citizens to get into anything other than orbit because as soon as you get further out than the moon any cock up could lead to the destruction of large areas of the earth.

If you think that in the future people will be scooting around in spaceships willy-nilly you are a clown

>>1516137

Dammit, that's dreadful. I'm not American but I fucking love NASA.

Were you in need of more arguments, check NASA Spinoffs:
http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/

Spinoff is NASA's annual premier publication featuring successfully commercialized NASA technology. For more than 40 years, the NASA Innovative Partnerships Program has facilitated the transfer of NASA technology to the private sector, benefiting global competition and the economy.

From their web page (emphasis is mine):
Since 1976, Spinoff has featured between 40 and 50 of these commercial products _annually_. Spinoff maintains a searchable database of every technology published since its inception.

this is the NASA Spinoffs issue of 2009

Typical American idiots.

Don't you know your president is cutting back funding because there are more important things such as health, welfare and debt that need to be addressed urgently?

Actually, don't listen. Spend freely.

>>1516172
calling pessimist a realist?
who'da thunkit?

>>1516160
It's a Doctor Who reference.

>>1516211
I know.

But IT to manage space?

>implying space isn't a massive waste of money

>Phd in mathematics
>any jon i want
>300k dildos

>>1516226
implying that anything the use does isnt a waste of money

The problem with such a sudden funding cut is that developments in progress -started with past investments- are going to be killed, thus throwing even more money to the trash.

>>1516226
>implying future survival is a waste of money

>>1516172

Thank you. Not everyone's a blind optimist, at least.

Humanity is either going to regress or hit a wall technologically when oil is gone. Either we'll have replaced enough of our energy need with alternative sources to continue surviving in a less-thriving manner, or we won't and we'll fall to ruin while countries invade one another over the last dwindling reserves of oil.

Either way, we're fucked and massive space exploration is never going to happen. If you suddenly became the richest person in the planet and decided to build a rocket ship to Mars, you'd be stopped by the government and they'd put you on fifty years of red tape because your rocket is considered a national security risk.

>>1516253
>CRAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIIN THESE WOUNDS THEY WILL NOT HEAAAAAAAALLL

Iraq: About US$2,000 per second.

>>1516263
What song is that?

>>1516263

>He thinks sarcastic remarks will change fate

>>1516273
No, I think you're past logic, so instead of wasting it on you, I'll rather ridicule you.

I'm glad your ancestors can't see you now.

Everyone thinks NASA = Human space exploration. Hurr.

Yes, cutting space investment is a really good idea:

http://news.discovery.com/space/future-hazard-1-in-1000-chance-of-asteroid-impact-in-2182.html

Some asteroids that pass closer than Moon are discovered months or week before they get near here.

>>shooting billions of dollars into space

Yeah, I wouldn't mind that being cut. If it helps with the deficit, then it should be done.

fuck you all, Humanity is gonna survive and kick ass.

>>1516291
You are utterly ignorant on the wide range of projects that NASA does.

>>1516306
Finally someone who doesn't have scars on his wrists.

>>1516309
Like improving Muslim-american relations?

>>1516309

Like what? Pushing the global warming agenda, burn money looking at space dust?

No thanks, I rather have employment and low taxes.

>>1516318
>spend 300 billion a year on useless wars and stationing troops around the world as world police
>spend 22 billion on discovering the universe

>get mad at the second one

>>1516313
>>1516318
0/10

>>1516325

At least the first one helps save lives.

>>1516325
try 480billion

>>1516332
Actually, that is something on NASA's to-do list. I guess i support it

>>1516337
Uhh, by that, do you mean kill people, right?

>>1516337
see
>>1516286

>>1516338
>67% on military of ENTIRE BUDGET

....
That's disgusting.

>>1516358
Opps, forgot to add 145 on "the global war on terror"

Its actually 717 billion

>>1516358
More than the rest of the world combined

>>1516358
compensation is what you get when you put guys with the smallest dicks in charge of the military

>>1516367
>>1516371
And they still haven't used a tiny bit of that force for good. Like oh, let's say, smacking Phobos into Mars.

>>1516337
The nearly two-thirds of us who know this war is bullshit need to stop sucking off the troops. They get enough action raping female soldiers and sodomizing Iraqi detainees. The political left is intent on "supporting" the troops by bringing them home, which is a good thing. But after rightly denouncing the administration's lies and condemning this awful war, relatively sensible pundits--like Keith Olbermann--turn around and lovingly praise the soldiers brave service to the country. Why?

What service are they providing/ I don't remember ordering 300,00 dead Iraqis. Our soldiers are not providing a service to the country, they're providing a service to a criminal administration and their oil company cronies. When a mafia don orders a hit, is the assassin absolved of personal responsibility when it's carried out? Of course not. What if the hit man was fooled into service? We'd all say, "Tough shit, you dumb Guido," then lock him up and throw away the key.

As a society, we need to discard our blind deference to military service. There's nothing admirable about volunteering to murder people. There's nothing admirable about being rooked by obvious propaganda.there's nothing admirable about doing what you're told if what you're told to do is terrible.

Fuck the troops and FUCK YOU

>>1516371
So even if niggers are dumb, we put more of them in power and they'll have better psychological health and do things for real reasons?

Again, what is heroic about involving one's self in a foolish war, being a shitty pilot or getting tortured? Yeah, it must have sucked, but getting your ass kicked every day for five years doesn't make you a hero--it makes you a Bad News Bear.

Here's where America's military lust becomes a true perversion. If we truly valued military prowess, John McCain would be viewed as a failure. But duty alone is enough to inspire our gratitude. Hence the left's tendency to obligatorily praise the troops while decrying the sum of their actions. Good thing, too, because this war is unwinnable.

People want to be respected. And in a country with an abysmal education system and disappearing economic opportunities, they seek respect wherever they can find it--as street corner toughs or as government-sanctioned thugs.

>>1516380
At least they'd have something of their own, instead of having to obsessively spend trillions in phallic objects.

>>1516372
>And they still haven't used a tiny bit of that force for good.

Hell, the reason this is so stupid is that they haven't the cerebral capacity to use the immense amounts of money they get in efficient ways.

More money in military than the rest of the world put together and all the military can do is get people killed in Afghanistan and Iraq. Hey yippee, they managed to temporarily depose the ruling regimes.

And now if and when the US military leaves, both places will revert to fundie rule within a decade, IF you're optimistic.

How despicable must a military campaign be before Americans turn on their beloved troops? After chiding the "War on Toddlers" as fool-headed and pointlessly barbaric, would Rachel Maddow still thank the troops for their service? After the "Great Grandmother Slaughter of 2011," will the press remove the fat military cock from its mouth? Following "Operation Murder Fluffy Kittens," will the left finally nix the "honored service" crap? No. No, they won't.

Condemning the "troops"--a term coined during the Gulf War--is almost unthinkable. And it wont' win you any awards. "Troops" are a monolithic entity, a cohesive group of pride-inspiring order-takers. Whereas an individual soldier is accountable for his or her actions, the "troops" are too abstract to blame. For Americans, there are only bad apples, never bad orchards.

But what kind of world would we rather live in: one where fools are admired for being fooled and murderers are extolled for murdering, or one where we have the capacity to step back and say, "I don't care who told you to do what and why; you're still an asshole!" Personally, I'd rather live in a world where people who act like retards are treated like retards: executed in Texas.

Wherever you are, look up. The clouds are lifting. The sun is breaking through. We are coming out of the darkness into the light. We are coming into a new world, a kindlier world, where men will rise above their hate, their greed and brutality. Look up. The soul of man has been given wings, and at last he is beginning to fly. He is flying into the rainbow—into the light of hope, into the future, the glorious future that belongs to you, to me, and to all of us. Look up.

>>1516416

The point is that clearly the military budget is what needs to be cut. The NASA funding is minimal as compared to theirs.
Also, lots of the money already being currently lost in the USA in health care goes to the trash bin for people not following the advised medical treatment, trust in pseudo-scientific alternative health and trust in faith healers, that only make later real treatments even more expensive.
Another big part are the bad nutrition habits.

>>1516445
ITT: WHAT YOU WOULD DO IF YOU WERE PRESIDENT

1. Abolish Federal Reserve
2. Cut down from 100 to 50% of Military spending over 6 years, move troops immediately out of Iraq, Afghanistan
3. 45 billion dollars EXTRA allocated to NASA, looking into colonization, terraofrming of Mars, feasibility of space elevator and asteroid mining. Mission to Mars ordered immediately.

I'm sure I can think of more.

>>1516172
you do know things burn up in the atmosphere. The spacecraft that will go from the earth to the moon won't have heat shielding.

Earth is not in danger at all from spacecraft

>>1516468
Horrible straw man fallacy.
Just cut a bit more from defense instead of NASA, keep NASA funding as it is for now.
Just check this >>1516338.

>>1516468
I don't know what the fuck I would do if I were President now, but if I were President in 2000 I would
A) Funnel half the military budget into tighter security, preventing 9/11
B) Blow it on alternative energy and gradually weaken our dependence on oil from sand nigger countries that don't like us (and we don't like them)
C) Education
D) Interstate rail
E) Healthcare
F) Tell Israel to fuck off
G) America will be so pleasant nobody will give two shits about blowing us up the same way nobody gives two shits about attacking Sweden or Norway or any of those scandifag countries.

>>1516482
>A) Funnel half the military budget into tighter security, preventing 9/11
By not doing anything you'd probably prevent 9/11.

>>1516481
>Just cut a bit more from defense instead of NASA, keep NASA funding as it is for now.
Get out of my /sci/.

Also I have that picture

>>1516253
couldn't you just launch it from a country thats cool with it?

Or from Antarctica no one owns that.

>>1516325

>>defending America from TURRISTS
>>injecting $ into aerospace, r&d, domestic industry
>>ensuring force projection will take care of any threat

Nope, not mad at all.

>>1516486
Are you going to give an actual argument against cutting from defense instead of NASA?

>>1516491
The unfathomably small pittance of military R&D that trickles down into peaceful civilian applications is not worth it.

>>1516468
colonization and manned mars missions are stupid waste of resources.

what i'd spend the money on is:
1. restart the DC-X and Venture Star programs
2. finish and scale up VASIMR
2. manhattan-style project to develop a new heavy lifter to LEO
4. when done, start developing orbital dockyards and refueling stations
5. robotic crawlers on titan, submarines on europa, airships on jupiter!

>>1516502
Because NASA has a little, and military has a lot. Therefore, I am going to take a little from the military, and give it to NASA.

>>1516521
/b/ is that way ---->

>>1516526
Someone's butthurt.

>>1516531
No, it's just that every argument you use is a fallacy. You have no place here.

>>1516537
>You are wrong. I'm not going to explain why you're wrong. You're just wrong

>>1516531
And now you post Muse. GTFO of my /sci/

>>1516545
wat?

>>1516502
600 billion dollars aren't necessary to protect your country. If the USA wouldn't try policing the whole world, they could cut that in half and spend it on more sensible things. But I guess the knowledge that you can invade any coutnry you like and waste trillions of dollars is worth more than setting foot on another planet.

>>1516552
700 billion.

>>1516554
well, it's about 685 last time I checked. My point stands though. Also, pie charts, always related.

>"syndicate rocket"

someone forgot to tell amerifags that the cold war is over.

ITT: stupid kids.

Spoiler: NASA is basically another arms of the US military.

Almost every large project they undertake is handed over to the Air force or CIA for militarization.

The space shuttle? Built to CIA specifications because they wanted large enough for big spy satellites.

Those drones that kill taliban? First developed by nasa.

The latest space plane launched by the air force? Developed by nasa.

The SCRAMJET the air force is currently testing? Developed by nasa.

DARPA and NASA work hand in hand on almost everything.

Half the shit the NSA uses is a product of nasa r&d.

And so on and so forth.

>>1516578

>>1516502
why would we need to? you could give it to anything and still stand to have a better investment than the military, doesnt anyone fucking remember the navy's space rockets? the military is getting their ass kicked by niggers with ww2 guns and rockets. its a waste of fucking money, get over it!

>>1516578
ITP: an idiot

>>1516585

1996.

>>1516626
I know about those projects of NASA and the military. The point is that NASA does much more than just joint military projects, and that still the investment in military projects is excessive. The joint projects issue is yet another of the things to solve somehow.

>>1516612

1999.

>>1516626
predator drone was not a government program, it was developed privately by general atomics.
what you see is a civilian derivative sold to NASA for atmospheric research.

>>1516503

But that's not all of it. There's also manufacturing and jobs that is being created. NASA was just the public half of the cold war dick waving competition, now that it's over, it's time to scale it back.

>>1516552

Yes it is, America is the last superpower and it needs to project its force.

>>1516578

THIS

NASA is just a glorified R&D department for the MIC; now that people are cutting back, it's time to consolidate R&D and reduce waste.

>>1516656
Everything you just said was already disproved.
gtfo /sci/ triptroll

Military spending is too high, but it's actually doing something, we can't just pull out of wars, america can't lose face.

NASA on the other hand is not going to return any practical benefits to us, no profits, it's basically doing stuff because you guys think it's cool. We're already starting to make little satellites that won't cost as much and all the heavy research is done on earth. The ISS accomplished nothign scientifically.

Let's axe NASA entirely and send our satellites via cheap chink rockets for example.

As for Mars and shit - No.

>FAGGATRON_3000

oh you
forgot to take your meds again, didn't you

>>1516656
>Yes it is, America is the last superpower and it needs to project its force.

I pray for a big meteor to just fuck all of us every day.

>NASA is just a glorified R&D department for the MIC; now that people are cutting back, it's time to consolidate R&D and reduce waste.

So the 79 billion dollars the DoD spends on R&D each year aren't really for R&D because all R&D is done by nasa?

>>1516656
>There's also manufacturing and jobs that is being created.
there's no net gain for economy if government spends money to create jobs that will produce goods that will be exclusively bought by government.

>>1516661
>HURRR let's put a glider on an ICBM, that'll show them ruskies!

>>1516666
>we can't just pull out of wars, america can't lose face
>america can't lose face

>implying America still has dignity after the previous eight years
oh lol

>>1516731
America's only redeeming feature is called Richard Feynman. His body is the only thing stopping Russia from launching nukes

>>1516671

The money should not be wasted on thing that have no use. The fluff should be cut out and spaceflight should be left to the free market.

There are all sorts of people who want to do America harm and we need the military to put them in their place.

>>1516731

Do you WANT to be usurped by the Chinese? If you want to live under Chinese rule, that's your business, but don't push it on me.

>>1515902 here. Just wanted to point out that while the rest of you spent the night bitching about could haves and should haves, and philosophizing about how great NASA could be "if only ___", I convinced several of my friends in the department to write emails to their congressmen as well.

Sure... maybe it won't be enough, maybe it won't work and the bill will pass anyway. But you know what?

At least we tried! At least we fucking did something about it! Which is more than most of you apathetic lazy faggots will be able to say if at the end of today the bill passes and we find ourselves one step closer to the end of the space program. You people come on this board and spend all fucking day ranting about how it's all religion's fault that the general public are so apathetic or anti-science, or how it's all politicians' fault, or pessimists' fault, and so on and so on and so on.
It's YOUR fault! It's the fault of every person who spent their night bitching about could bes and should bes instead of doing something to make a difference. If fucking science enthusiasts can't even be bothered to advocate, why the fuck would anybody else?

>>1517161
Get off your lazy asses people and email or phone your congressmen, it doesn't sound like they'll bring up the authorization bill until later in the afternoon, that is plenty of time to change a few minds. I just called my congressman's DC office asking them to amend the bill.

>>1517161
>>1517233

PROTIP: Congresspeople don't care if less than a few thousand people tell them.

The only reason they even think about doing what people from their state want is because they want to get reelected

>>1517242
Almost every incumbent congressman is in a close race for reelection this year. If there's one thing you can trust it's a politicians self-preservation instinct - they want every edge they can get in the election. Every constituent they piss off is potentially one less vote, one less person convincing their friends and family to vote, one less donator, one less campaign volunteer. Going out of your way to piss off constituents over an issue most of voters wouldn't care about either way is a stupid move and our elected officials know that. Pissing off constituents can cost a lot of votes, and when you're talking about races that will probably come down to a few thousand votes, every single one makes a difference.

>>1516995
>sinophobe
Seems you have a bit of a reality-dissociation syndrome.

Just got off the phone with Congressman Loebsack's office.

I'm doing my part, are you?

>>1517302

Rice niggers are just naturally worthless.

>>1517368
love to chat with you, but you really must get back to the trailer park and polish your guns in case the chinese commie zombienigger mutants attack.

>>1517381

I see you're enjoying your free time now that the chinks have taken your jobs, industry, and money.

>>1517384
Nah, just enjoying the monies I get for using cheap chinese labor.

>>1517384
>the chinks have taken your jobs, industry, and money.
umm, that's the result of free market... i thought you conservatives worship it?

>>1517389

Your welfare check will run out one day, bro.

>>1517425

It's not my fault that they are willing to work for slave wages, but don't blame me when I treat them like slaves.

>>1517368
>>1517381
>>1517384
>>1517389
>>1517425
>>1517436

This is why we can't have nice things /sci/, because of fags more concerned with having an online battle of wit (without the wit) than doing anything productive.

>>1517436
>using cheap chinese labor
>your welfare check

>"has difficulty understanding text"

I got my call in to Randy Forbes.

Did my job for /sci/

>>1517462
The floor recognizes the gentleman from Virginia

... as being awesome.

>>1517460

Congratulations, you're why the cuts have to be made in the first place.
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>>1517535
/r9k/ is that way <---

>>1517348
The gentlemen from Iowa gets a bear as well.

I watched a film on TV, about Robin Williams becoming president, a few days ago. It was the scariest film I've ever seen.

>>1517572
well he is a doctor

>>1517535
Dumbass. Mudkip evolves at level 16

Anyone who calls their congressman's office and tells them to vote 'no' gets a bear!

bump

>>1517656
>Anyone who calls their congressman's office and tells them to vote 'no' gets a bear!

that sounds horrifying

also "supreme gigolos" wtf captcha

Good news everyone! The House is incredibly bogged down with a debate over offshore drilling regulations and may not get to the NASA Authorization Bill before today's session ends and Congress goes on recess for a month!

Bad news everyone! That also means that if the House does manage to finish with enough time to bring up the NAB, they'll rush it through with little if any debate and will probably just throw out a bunch of 'yeahs' in order to get out of there as quickly as possible.

50/50 chance

>>1517770
Someone clearly doesn't want a bear.

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YES!! The House just adjourned without bringing up the bill! This buys a month before the bill is brought before the House to work on getting Congress to support a better space bill

we should all spot being massive dicks and make one united international space development and exploration organisation.
where info and tech would be shared.
budgets would be combined.
we could have a base on the moon if not mars by now.

>>1518925
And then we'll melt down all the world's weapons to make soup bowls for orphans and the world will be a big happy orgy of peace.

Multiple space agencies is the reality we live in and the chances of a world space agency being formed in our lifetimes are slim to nil, so rather than bitch and moan about how things could be, let's work on making the system we do have as awesome as possible.

>>1519335
Wait, why is this good? O_o

>>1519492
see
>>1518914
The House adjourned without getting to the NASA bill, Congress is on recess now until Sept 9th which means we NASA supporters have a month to get out there and convince our representatives to support a better bill for the space program!

>>1519637
ah gotcha

STICKY THIS SHIT

>>1520980
doesn't need stickying, the immediate crisis has been averted... now to focus on convincing the house to support a better alternative to their crappy space bill