/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15164261
>I know some Meds, who never believed in any supplementation of any vitamin up until 1 year ago.
>And now they all of a sudden switched sides, especially on the topic of vitamin D.
Because of covid, have you not followed this?

>So I did my due diligence, and read a shit ton of Vitamin D studies.
>Which oddly don't show anything beneficial.
>Not even in their conclusions.
>Not only that, they claim quite the opposite.
It's irrelevant how much they give, what matters are the blood levels of 25(OH)D3. One person can achieve good levels (above 40 ng/ml) with 2000 IU while another may need 20000 IU. I don't see why doctors don't know this.

>>15164261
And here some examples for "Incolcusive" studies involving Vitamin D:

> it reduces the risk of falling.
https://agsjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jgs.17290
But exactly the opposite was found out in longterm studies.


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28733125/
> "There is a growing body of evidence that VitD, especially its active metabolite, plays a key role in modulating the physiological activity of the immune system. This emergent role has stimulated a florid line of research aimed at associating the level of VitD with pathological situations wherein the immune system may be altered, such as in autoimmunity and inflammation.

In these studies, 25OHD, the actual precursor of the active hormone calcitriol, is what has been routinely measured,..."

>>15164261
>cortiocosteroid.
>It supresses symptoms
And better yet, without side effects.

Moreover, if can be used to actually treat autoimmune diseases (see Coimbra's protocol)

>>15164271
Example
https://www.coimbraprotocol.com/single-post/2018/03/17/dr-massimo-vincenti-psoriasis

>>15164268
>It's irrelevant how much they give, what matters are the blood levels of 25(OH)D3. One person can achieve good levels (above 40 ng/ml) with 2000 IU while another may need 20000 IU. I don't see why doctors don't know this.

What does the 25(OH)D3 mean in the blood, if it is converted into calcitriol.

What if it is low, because your body activates it for use?
And its not that you are deficient in Vitamin D but it just got converted?

What if supplying more your body to keep "blood levels" up, leads to more steroids are produced, and symptoms are suppressed up until it is actually counter productive because then it is immunosupressive?

Can you please point me to a study, in which they show not only the "blood levels" of vitamin D rising due to Vitamin D supplementation, but also that it actually makes the patient better and if the active form of vitamin D is measured.

Because a lab parameter does not tell me if the patient gets healthier, it is just a lab parameter that has to be correlated with something.

>>15164261
>So the big question is, what is the implication of adivising people to increase their Vitamin D, if it is mostly converted to steroids?
Even though it's really a hormone, it behaves nothing like a "steroid" the average person knows about. You don't lose you vitamin D3 production capacity on bit by supplementing it, so I still prefer calling it a vitamin. And yes it is essential because you can get very messed up without it, you need specific conditions to get it. Most people aren't getting it from the sun
https://vitamindwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page_id=5017

>And how did people came to conclusions that oral supplementation is actually helping?
See wiki above for studies and the links bellow concerning covid
https://c19early.org/sun
https://c19early.org/d

>And if people are inflamed, they are low in cholecalciferol and Calcifediol. But whit if due to their condition it is converted into active calcitriol, because they have inflamation and it is to regulate their inflamation?
Vitamin d3 isn't just for inflammation, it controls 10% of our genes essentially. It is the most powerful steroidal hormone our body produces for a reason.

>>15164271
>>15164275
This is not a study it is a claim based selling scheme.

I give you further example the negative associeation of the rise of celiac disease:
https://www.dovepress.com/elevated-levels-of-125-dihydroxyvitamin-d-in-plasma-as-a-missing-risk--peer-reviewed-fulltext-article-CEG

VITAMIN D supplementation is not only toxic but even destroys the microbiome and IN INFANTS MAY SCATENATE CELIAC DISEASE.

Let me give an example:

>chronic inflammatory patient: reserve vitamin d (25ohd3) low

>dumbed-down doctor: well, let's top up at high doses to "restore" it.

>chronically ill inflammatory patient: reserve vitamin d (25ohd3) low but active form (1.25ohd3) (which doctors never measure) very high.

>result: you are not vitamin d deficient but trivially inflamed.

>therefore: dumbed-down doctor made a wrong diagnosis and gave a wrong treatment

>result: patient is better in the short to medium term due to the immunosuppressive effect of the hormone and the disease goes on undisturbed to reoccur devastatingly later in life.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-nutritional-science/article/physiological-significance-of-vitamin-d-produced-in-skin-compared-with-oral-vitamin-d/F91B8317B430A6B810D6D13B559B17D4

>>15164280
> Even though it's really a hormone, it behaves nothing like a "steroid" the average person knows about

>It is the most powerful steroidal hormone our body produces for a reason.

Maybe you should dial down on the D it messes your arguments up.
And please provide a study to the claim:
>it controls 10% of our genes essentially.

>>15164276
>What if supplying more your body to keep "blood levels" up, leads to more steroids are produced, and symptoms are suppressed up until it is actually counter productive because then it is immunosupressive?
This logic doesn't follow because it is not immunosupressive, this should be obvious when you see it being used to treat diseases caused by viruses. It also prevents and helps in other diseases that aren't autoimmune. Moreover, inflammation is the main cause of heart disease, so managing *chronic" inflammation is essential.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22084351/
https://www.clinicaleducation.org/resources/reviews/disease-incidence-prevention-by-serum-25ohd-level/

>Can you please point me to a study, in which they show not only the "blood levels" of vitamin D rising due to Vitamin D supplementation, but also that it actually makes the patient better and if the active form of vitamin D is measured.
I don't see what I have to gain from, only see myself losing as more people would end up buying vitamin d3 making it more expensive to me. I already spent too much time as it is so you will have to do with what I gave you so far.

>>15164270
>it reduces the risk of falling.
>https://agsjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jgs.17290
>But exactly the opposite was found out in longterm studies.
Ok I will address this one misconception you had.

For bone problems vitamin D3 isn't he only thing that is needed, it mostly serves to absorb the calcium. You also need magnesium and k2 to actually send the calcium to the bone tissue and keep it there (those are the other main 2 but there are more).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10227010

Doctors are very ignorant about vitamins and nutrients in general so this isn't surprising. No that they're to blame, uni's are more focused on drugs. There isn't even a single class on water, even though it's the most abundant nutrient in the human body (it is a nutrient because it does hydrolysis)

>>15164285
>I give you further example the negative associeation of the rise of celiac disease:
Celiac disease has everything to do with gluten, not vitamin d3. The amount of gluten in bread has been increasing over time due to productivity purposes.

>>15164305
>Celiac disease has everything to do with gluten, not vitamin d3. The amount of gluten in bread has been increasing over time due to productivity purposes.

Celiac disease is a chronic inflamatory issue causing gluten intoleance.
The country with the highest Vitamin D supplementation has a "celiac disease crisis"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5655685/

>>15164285
>VITAMIN D supplementation is not only toxic but even destroys the microbiome
This is complete nonsense. Where are you taking this from? See

Singh, P., Rawat, A., Alwakeel, M. et al. The potential role of vitamin D supplementation as a gut microbiota modifier in healthy individuals. Sci Rep 10, 21641 (2020).

The majority of the population, even in tropical countries like Brazil, are horribly deficient in vitamin D (like more than 80%). Are you an actual pharma shill? Because I see no other reason to recommend against something that would make the entire population more healthy.

Reading your posts I also felt you could be a fatass basement dweller or something similar that did not like his blood test results concerning vitamin D.

The only problem I know about vitamin D is that it can lead to hypercalcemia if you are taking vey high doses of it along with high amounts of calcium (though a case of hypercalcemia due to supplemented D3 along with K2 and magnesium reamins to be seen).

>>15164291
>And please provide a study to the claim:
>it controls 10% of our genes essentially
Basic physio?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10565372/
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Calcitriol-regulates-the-expression-of-the-genes-D3-Theodoropoulos-Demers/11d722b88479dd4129217d0149904f2d4e91353d

among many others

>patient is better in the short to medium term due to the immunosuppressive effect of the hormone
Vitamin d3 is an immunomodulator, it is not the usual corticosteroid like prednisone doctors give to people and like I said has more effects like remyelination
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32272884/

>active form (1.25ohd3) (which doctors never measure
The lab always sends me these too, weird.

>>15164311
The form that is added to food is almost always D2 (which is completely useless if not harmful), your article does not detail which form it is

>>15164311
Also fuck globohomo, bunch of motherfuckers who want to genocide whites

>The recent global consensus on the prevention of rickets recommends vitamin D supplementation not only during infancy and pregnancy but also for all ethnic risk groups (i.e. people with dark skin) especially those living at high latitude including all European countries (2, 5). In the wake of the European refugee crisis of 2015–2016, and the resulting longer term population demographic changes, Europe requires robust prevention programmes to protect the most vulnerable (6).

>Högler W, Munns CF. Rickets and osteomalacia: a call for action to protect immigrants and ethnic risk groups. Lancet Global Health 2016. 4 e229–e230

While those psychopaths are worried about their niggers well being, native Swedish are being raped and murdered by the same niggers

>>15164312
>This is complete nonsense
Would love to post the sources directly.
But for some reason "it considered as spam".

Ghaly S, Kaakoush NO, Lloyd F, et al. High dose vitamin D supplementation alters faecal microbiome and predisposes mice to more severe colitis. Sci Rep.

Williams JJ, Kaplan GG, Makhija S, et al. Microscopic colitis-defining incidence rates and risk factors: a population-based study. Clin Gastroenterol Hepatol.

Olivares M, Walker AW, Capilla A, et al. Gut microbiota trajectory in early life may predict development of celiac disease. Microbiome.

Chavhan SG, Brar RS, Banga HS, et al. Clinicopathological studies on vitamin D(3) toxicity and therapeutic evaluation of aloe vera in rats. Toxicol Int. 1

Marsh MN, Johnson MW, Rostami K. Mucosal histopathology in celiac disease: a rebuttal of Oberhuber’s sub-division of Marsh III. Gastroenterol Hepatol Bed Bench.

>>15164323
>>15164324
Just look at the regimentd of Vitamin D supplementation in which country.
And observe the wierd increase of chronic inflamatory gut syndromes.
Also here some papers on that:
>>15164333

In vitro...
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32272884/
Does not in the least tell me if the "patient" gets better.
Cells in a tube are not a living organism.
Also what does supplementation do healthy organisms?

Also the
> twitter meme Docs and Pharma PR shills pushing shitty studies...
> which get retracted:
https://journals.humankinetics.com/view/journals/ijsnem/32/5/article-p421.xml

Impressive...
I always wondered if this whole supplementation scheme was fraudulent. But I actually did not care enough to look it up myself.
So now the question is:
> who can we actually trust?

Why not just get a lamp that with the wavelengths to synthesize it?

>>15164577
because with supplements, and people getting sick you make more money.

>>15164592
That's retarded. Supplements make you less likely to get sick. Vitamin D and zinc supplementation essentially makes people immune to the common cold coronavirus.

>>15166340
Show proof.

Also what zinc from which sources?

>>15164261
>I know and it is known that this is not a Vitamin
I can assure you that this is false. Vitamin D is a vitamin. Observe that vitamin D contains the word 'vitamin' in its name.

>>15166358

>>15164592
How can you be so cynical?
There’s overwhelmingly positive benefits from supplementing vitamin d in deficient patients for musculoskeletal system function and one’s immune system. You’re not even calling into question The quality of research — you’re just saying “I refuse to consider any evidence”

>>15166399
>You’re not even calling into question The quality of research — > you’re just saying “I refuse to consider any evidence”

Show me a study.
And I will look at the quality of the research, as I did with every other vitamin D study.

Which mostly are inconclusive, and admit it supresses symptoms... because it is a immune supressant.

They measure the inactive long half life resever forms Colecalceferol and calcidiol.
Never consider calcitriol (the active Vitamin D Steroid hormone).
Never considering that reserves are low because it it converted to calcitiol to modulate inflamation.

Suplements are a meme. just eat better

>>15166658
>Suplements are a meme
yes

>>15166399
>There’s overwhelmingly positive benefits from supplementing vitamin d in deficient patients for musculoskeletal system function and one’s immune system.

Source?

Vitamin D is important for many functions in the body, including calcium metabolism, immune system regulation, and bone health. It is converted to various forms, including calcifediol and calcitriol, with calcitriol being the most active form with hormone-like effects.

There is evidence to suggest that supplementing with Vitamin D can improve health outcomes, particularly in people who have low Vitamin D levels. However, more research is needed to determine the optimal dose and form of Vitamin D supplementation, as well as its potential side effects.

It is also important to note that the relationship between Vitamin D and inflammation is complex and not fully understood. Some studies suggest that low Vitamin D levels may contribute to inflammation, while others suggest that inflammation may decrease Vitamin D levels.

In cases of inflammation, active calcitriol may be produced to regulate the inflammation, but the exact mechanisms and optimal levels are still being studied.

Basically, it's hard to say.

>>15166658
Civilization has made it has hard as possible to "eat better," between insane work schedules, overworking, rampant fad and meme vitamins and foods, contradictory information that changes every other week (eggs are good for you, no eggs are bad for you, no eggs are good for you, etc).

>>15166658
>just eat better
That's like saying "vote harder" when there are massively rigged elections and fraud.

"eating better" is a meme. Take a vitamin pill unless you want to eat 15,000 calories a day and be obese.

>>15168312
>There is evidence to suggest that supplementing with Vitamin D can improve health outcomes, particularly in people who have low Vitamin D levels.

Source?

>>15168744
>>15168751
Just don't believe what the TV is saying.

> "eating better" is a meme. Take a vitamin pill unless you want to eat 15,000 calories a day and be obese"

It sounds really like a PR scheme for consooming some pills, with questionable benefit, and bio availability.

Imagine just believing this without question

>>15164261
>And how did people came to conclusions that oral supplementation is actually helping?
IIRC they haven't in most cases. There's data out there linking high levels of D to better outcomes but without looking at supplementation. So it could be something else like being sick causing D levels to go down, or healthy outdoor activity & sunshine only being correlated with higher levels of vitamin D. There's a study on D supplementation and bone health but higher levels of supplementation weren't better.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2748796

There is a recent study of US veterans that shows that taking vitamin D was associated with lower risks from Covid and in a dose-dependent manner. (why does 4chan hate nature links)
https://doi.org/10.1038/s41598-
022-
24053-
4

Plus there's the whole calcium cycle going on too, so people taking vitamin D alone might not have enough magnesium or K2 for their body to process it properly.

>>15168825
>There is a recent study of US veterans that shows that taking vitamin D was associated with lower risks from Covid and in a dose-dependent manner. (why does 4chan hate nature links)

So I know that this shit would come up.
First of all:
This is not a trial, it is as Metanalysis which is mostly based on a retrospective based on a survey.

The second problem is:
How is "covid" measured?
With a PCR test, that obviously does show not disease and generates a bunch of false positives (the asymptomatic cases, lack of differential diagnostics because could be a flu or cold)?

There is no conclusive evidence of the claim, since they cannot even say how accurate their diagnostics are.

Also, Covid is exploited to generate a amazing uptick in VitD sales.
As you can see here:
>>15164285

So this mostly study is based on retrospective data and a survey.
Looking at health records: Seeing if at least one positive covid test appeared.
And just asking: did you take suplement.

Amazingly accurate data...
Also the Bias of Vaccine sceptards are Supplement Enthuisiasts, meaning these people were mostly less likely to acxept any PCR test in general.

And please you repeat just stuff that Youtube gurus tell you:
> Plus there's the whole calcium cycle going on too, so people taking vitamin D alone might not have enough magnesium or K2 for their body to process it properly.

Explain this and point to sources.
> for their body to process it properly
Process it to what?
Explain. Whats the exact benefit.

>>15168751
>"eating better" is a meme. Take a vitamin pill unless you want to eat 15,000 calories a day and be obese.

Please elaborate on this logic.
Does this logic include leaving out:
>fried stuff
>fructose corn sirup
>frozen Pizza
>crappy instant food with mineral competing preservatives, food dyes and titanium dioxide and other fillers
>fast food
>bromated bread

So you implying, you cannot eat "better", because veggies have "less" vitamins than in 1960s ?
So you can fallback to eat shit, and aditionally consooming "pills"?

Please elaborate your belief, that "you cannot just eat better"

>>15168825
>There is a recent study of US veterans that shows that taking vitamin D was associated with lower risks from Covid and in a dose-dependent manner. (why does 4chan hate nature links)

Let me give some quotes on how skewed the study design is:
"The primary outcome was a laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infection as measured by any VA medical record or Medicare claim containing a diagnosis for ICD-10 code U07.1. We also looked at COVID-19 ending in mortality as a secondary outcome. We defined COVID-19 ending in mortality as any death within 30 days following infection. Although death certificate data were unavailable and would be preferable, mortality occurring shortly after infection is likely to be strongly correlated with actual COVID-19 mortality."

"In the vitamin D3 cohort, the COVID-19 rates were 2.66% for the treated and 3.30% for the controls, while the rates of COVID-19 infection followed by death within 30 days were 0.23% for the treated and 0.35% for the controls."
> 2.66% vs 3.30%
> 0.23% vs 0.35%

"Our association would be overstated if vitamin D-supplemented patients were disproportionately underdiagnosed than control patients. This is because patients with undetected infections would be unlikely to be reinfected when testing availability expanded later during our study period. Second, our measure of COVID-19 ending in death within 30-days could also be inaccurate because we did not have access to death certificate data to confirm the actual cause of death. However, many deaths immediately following COVID-19 infection are likely to be at least partially related.

The availability of vitamin D3 without a prescription also limits our ability to ensure we have fully categorized dosage and supplementation intensity."

they bent data, made assumptions and didn't actually find any significant difference.

>>15164261
I looked in the astroturfed zinc and quercitin recommendation to prevent covid.
It is all the same.
Does nothing and is potentially toxic.

>>15164261
Thoughts on taking 10,000 IU vitamin D daily? My parents like reading natural health magazines where this dose is suggested and started taking it. Is it overkill/dangerous?

>>15169874
>Thoughts on taking 10,000 IU vitamin D daily? My parents like reading natural health magazines where this dose is suggested and started taking it. Is it overkill/dangerous?

For what reason?
What is the reason?
Are they painfully inflamed?
Is it used as a replacement for prednisone?
Or are they healthy and have no issue with anything that a immunosupressive steroid could solve?
Why would you take anything if you are fine?
Just because a magazine told you so?
Why?

Natural health """Magazines""".
Is it sponsored?
Maybe to push this?
Do your parents even know what Vitamin D actually is?
And just because your skin produces is, should you eat it?

What is the logical reason to consoom a product, if you not even know if it is beneficial?
Because someone definded you are "defficient"?
Based on what? Compared to what?

>>15169874
>My parents like reading natural health magazines where this dose is suggested and started taking it.

>>15164261
not sure if it is the vitamin d, but i start taking it 3 years ago, and besides allergies i have never gotten sick again, i think we in the west, specially office workers really need it, since most people don't even see sunlight for a whole winter, the food has just enough to keep you around, but for optimal immunity you need sunlight, if that's not available a supplement is the next best thing, it's also so cheap, no real reason not to, it's just the stuff your skin would produce in contact to sunlight, then your body uses that if it needs to, or doesn't...

>>15171411
>i have never gotten sick

Beeing sick is a mecheanism of forcing you to rest.
Inflamation is a mechanism to excert white bloodcells to damaged, poisoned or attacked tissue to repair and defend it.
Excretion of oral and nasal mucosa and brochnial fluids is a mechanism of getting rid, of anything that does not belong to your system.
Snot, cough, diahrrea, vomitting, sweating etc. Are responses to get something out of your body.

As I explained, and mentioned in this thread several times:
>Vitamin D supplementation can lead to supression of symptoms
>supression of symptomes != not sick
>symptoms are supressed
>supressed symptoms = supressed healing, repair and expelling mechanism
>not beeing able to expell and excret whatever might poison you => accumulation of necrotic tissue or acids or poisons etc.

Please reread dumbed down elaboration on:
Steroid supression of symptoms and short to midterm vs longterm consequences:
>>15164285

Also just because your skin produces it, it does not mean you should consoom it in pill form.
You stomach produces hydrochloric acid, yet you don't eat.
Your lungs produce formaldehyde and hydrogenperoxide in small amounts.
Yet you don't consoom it.
Your body produces testosterone, progesterone, cortison, cortisol, thyroxine, adrenaline, serotonin and dopamin...
Yet you don't consoom it for no reason.
Vitamin D is not a """"vitamin"""".
It is a steroid.

>>15171489
Steroids for 20 bucks a year sounds good to me.

>>15171521
Enjoy your Vitamin D induced:
>Osteomalacia,
>vascular calcification
>renal and myocardial calcification
>atherosclerosis
>heart failure
>thrombosis
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCRESAHA.118.311585

>>15171646
this just says vitamin d in huge doses is toxic, which is already well known

>>15172116
Accumulative low doses, while your body is perfectly fine and functioning is a health hazard, and beyond retarded.
Just consooming a product because it is "trendy" is obviously dumb.

It has literally never any benefit in any study.
Every single study is inconclusive.
Meaning:
>best case, it does nothing
>worst case, it fucks up your calcium metabolism, your digestion and supresses an inflamation, which will strike you hard in the future because you are unaware of it, because you take a imune modulating steroid, and excess Vitamin D needs to be discarded of, and in the worst turned back to cholesterol but nobody knows which form.

>>15169874
It's a waste. Your body will use what it can at the time and then store what it can in your fat. Any amount beyond that is just pissed away.

>>15172394
Ah will it?
How sure are you about that?
And based on what?
If excess VitD get just pissed out, then explain "overdosing" or the "immune modulating effect".

>>15171646
is not the purpose of vitamin K2 to prevent those conditions?

>>15173717
>quick consoom this product (nutraceutical)
>trust me we have no conclusive evidence of it having any benefit, but trust me skin produces it when you go into the sun, that means its good if you eat it
>oh but it can cause side effects, because it is a steroid
>but to make sure nothing happens when you consoom product
>you additionally consoom this other product
>to prevent annoying mild to dangerous side effects from the other product I advise you to consoom

So when you look at the published works regarding Vitamin K2...
Before and after 2020...
It gets extremly ridiculous.
And you should raise the question of:
>who profits from me consooming Vitamemes?
>me?


"The global nutraceuticals and supplements market has steadily grown over the past decade and was reported to be worth almost $353 billion USD in 2019.
The global nutraceuticals market size was valued at USD 454.55 billion in 2021 "

https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/nutraceuticals-market
"The global market value for nutraceuticals marke is USD 402.5 Bn in 2022 and is expected to grow at a compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of 12.9% and cross the value of US$ 1354.2 Bn. Previously, the market was growing forward with a slower CAGR of 8.3% between 2017-2022."
https://www.futuremarketinsights.com/reports/nutraceuticals-market

https://www.marketwatch.com/press-release/global-dietary-supplements-market-by-growth-rate-emerging-trends-applications-types-and-forecast-through-2028-market-size-and-competitive-analysis-are-provided-for-2023-2023-02-01

I started taking vitamin D about a month ago. I don't take it everyday, I only take it after I eat some form of fat (bacon, macademia nuts, avocados, eggs, etc). Depending on how much sun I get, I take doses ranging from 1000 IU - 4000 IU. I felt noticeably better when I started taking it. I also take desiccated beef liver.

>>15174805
Now that I think about it, it was more like 2 or 3 months I've been taking it

>>15174805
>>15174806
Good human cattle.
Take your vitamemes.
Don't ask questions.
[Insert youtube health guru] is right.

>>15174467
>So when you look at the published works regarding Vitamin K2...
>Before and after 2020...
>It gets extremly ridiculous

>it gets ridiculous because... it just does ok?

>>15176012
Biiiig vitameme push since covid began.
Revenue exploded.
Retardoids consooming product, without understanding bioavailability.
Just product.
Pushed everywhere.
In the last 3 years, as much published works on vitameme K as in the 100 years before.
Vitamemes and Nutraceuticals.
Soīlent, YFood & Huel meme soī derived shit food drink.
> don't eat real food
> consoom plastic bottled vitameme soī and seed oil trash

>>15176566
>bioavailability
K2 doesn't have the issue of bioavailability, but of half life (some say MK7 is better than MK4)

>In the last 3 years, as much published works on vitameme K as in the 100 years before
The fact you don't know the difference between vitamin K1 and K2 gives away you don't know what you're talking about. At best you're a doctor, who usually are not very knowledgeable after vitamins and are skeptical of anything that isn't radiation or drugs.

>>15176770
>At best you're a doctor, who usually are not very knowledgeable after vitamins and are skeptical of anything that isn't radiation or drugs.

Doctors now actively push vitamemes you retard.
Also there is a difference between minerals and vitamemes.
None of them are required in the form of pills with shitty fillers and carriers, if your diet would not consist only of goyslop and corn syrup.

Vitamems and memeral pills with titanium dioxide, PEG and ceramic like calcium carrbonates which cannot be metabolised by your body and can cause kidney stones.

All pills should be avoided at all costs.
Shitty lifestyle cannot be repaired via memes and poisons.
Only fixing lifestyle will help.
Not eating crap. Not masturbating.
Not taking drugs.
Not drinking alcohol or sugar water crap.

>>15176905
>Vitamems and memeral pills with titanium dioxide, PEG and ceramic like calcium carrbonates which cannot be metabolised by your body and can cause kidney stones.
None of my supplements have any of those

Obviously I eat food, but I can't make sauerkraut every day

>>15166340
anecdotal, but I have been taking vitamn D3 for years, 2000 IU about 3x a week. And when the rona started going around, I started taking zinc picolinate about 3x a week too. I never got the rona until I did. Over this past christmas I got it. It was very mild, but I still had a fever for 3 days and after it broke I couldn't smell or taste for a week. I'm sure it was much milder than it could have been without D&Z, but I still got it once. Never have any other illnesses though.

The best source of Vitamin D is going outside during a sunny day.
>>15176770
>some say MK7 is better than MK4
The söy lobby maybe that wants to sell you goyslop. But that lobby regularly funds hack studies to say whatever is favorable to their brands. Vitamin MK4 is superior as its actually proven to have significant benefits where MK7 has not.

>>15177245
>>15177140
Happy consoomers.
Consoom the vitameme.
Take the clottamine.
Vitamin K.
The K stands for Klotting.

>>15177245
>Vitamin MK4 is superior as its actually proven to have significant benefits where MK7 has not.

Why should people take it?
And whats the difference to the Vitamin K they inject in babies after brith?

>>15177651
Klots are safe and effective according to the FDA now. Fuhrer Brandon says so.

>>15179226
>And whats the difference to the Vitamin K they inject in babies after brith?
Pretty sure that's K1.