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what is it about black holes that makes them the number one most popular popsci topic of discussion amongst the brainlet soience fangoys?
is it the comic bookish aspects of the spectacular, unrealistic and completely non disprovable conjectures which go along with the topic that make black holes so popular amongst the scientist posers and wannabes?

>>15163469
hello bot

>>15163469
Imagine being this pent-up.

>>15163450
elaborate? how's this apply to dark matter

>>15163504

Consider the Torus.

The negative curvature of the manifold equals the positive curvature of the manifold, and thus the totla curvature is zero.

I am suggesting that the negative curvature of the Einstein-Rosen bridges will equal the positive curvature of dark matter.

>>15163512

Forgot my pic

>>15163512
well that would be very tidy. can't think of any way to test it though.

>>15163556

The tests will be hard to resolve but evidence already exist. Why do black holes in galactic clusters align their spins? Why to enormous galaxies orbit comparatively small black holes? Why are black hole masses correlated to dark matter?

>>15163563
it's an enticing idea, i can agree. but there's not a lot to discuss because you can't disprove it, it just fits some evidence.

>>15163584

I was suggested a test. If the theory earns serious consideration and I am consulted I will reveal the test that may falsify my claim.

>>15163602
best of luck on that journey, update us here if you get anywhere

>>15163611

Don't worry. I only go to 4chan. Nobody else has the time for me. Leddit laughs me off. If the theory goes anywhere it will be because some channer took the theory out into the world and either got it tested for the math or made it go viral. Until then I'll be making these threads every so often.

>>15163602
how do you empirically test effects of a wormhole ?

>>15163663

That's for me to guess and over which you get to call me a fag.

>>15163669
i don't mind if you're a fag. I guess you'd need to know white holes exist too. This might be a white hole
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRB_060614

>>15163946

It's exactly a white hole. That's what comes of asymptotic darkness.

The event horizon forms and you get that white hole interior. Nothing goes inside, nothing can get inside. It pushes back and inflates against the crushing gravity. The problem is that its formation is dependent on the exterior. What is the exterior? Asymptotic darkness, it is making more white holes. It becomes like a boiling foam. When I first thought of it I called it "Spacetime boiling." Occasionally I half-jokingly called it blackholeum. Only later did I learn that what I had imagined was already discovered, it was called asymptotic darkness and my only contribution was my already posited suggestion that one 'bubble' of Asymptotic darkness could be sustained by a wormhole. Specifically an Einstein-Rosen bridge. You get two black holed to entangle and you're set.

It might be from where our own universe emerges.

Scarier still is that if the universe is still expanding than the bubble of our universe is still growing and the Big bang is still happening. Not here, but if the universe is still growing, at an accelerated rate I might add, then somewhere far, far away the process of the universe being made as it grows continues to this day and probably from long before the 13 billion years of our experience with big bang.

Like a long stretch of taffy coming off of a factory machine, if the line is still going, then the taffy is still being produced. I would appear, to me at least, that the line is still going.

>>15163474
>>15163483
oh shit they've gotten defensive, look out >>15163469

>>15163469
because black holes require unification. basically they are so big that we dont understand them. we cant see them. like how a fly cant see you. it can see a piece of you, it knows something is there, but your body is incomprehensible to it. it needs to build itself a little fly telescope, and to document all the little parts of you that it can see, and then put those little bits of information together to render a fly size image of you. thats what we need to do. we need to make our version of that little fly's telescope that can see the singularity, then and only then can we start making a map of it.

newton's problem was that apples fall to the ground and stars dont. how do you get one set of rules that explain both. thats what we need with black holes one set of rules that explains both the material universe and the singularity

>>15163563
dark matter is just primordial black holes
https://news.yale.edu/2021/12/16/black-holes-and-dark-matter-are-they-one-and-same

>>15163469
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx8zSTVxHiY
>You're not my eater
>I'm not your food
>Love you for mother
>Love you for God

>>15163504
see>>15164917

>>15164917

The theory goes further. It suggests that the proto-universe was made up of asymptotic darkness.

Black holes are not Dark Matter. Black holes interact to cause the Dark Matter phenomenon.

>>15164917
People have been looking for primordial back holes for decades. No detections and a lot of upper limits, them dominating dark matter ruled out over most of the mass scale.

>>15165138

The theory suggests that supermassive black holes are all primordial. Big bang shrapnel, if you will.

>>15163450
OP is a pseud, it goes in all fields

>>15165965
please stop posting pictures of my wife looking like this. it is mean and hurtful.

>>15164054
>The event horizon forms and you get that white hole interior. Nothing goes inside, nothing can get inside.
The same for a black hole, nothing goes inside the event horizon, nothing can get inside. The event horizon grows when the black hole acquires matter, the old event horizon is never crossed. That is because the black hole is already at maximum density, it can't get more dense so the event horizon must grow to engulf the newly acquired matter that never crosses the old event horizon.

>>15163450
Black holes are a myth.

>>15163512
>The negative curvature of the manifold equals the positive curvature of the manifold, and thus the total curvature is zero.
i see
>I am suggesting that the negative curvature of the Einstein-Rosen bridges will equal the positive curvature of dark matter.
that would be interesting

>>15166667

And it doesn't even sound hard, does it?

>>15163469
Because it's a BLACK hole, just like Saint Floyd's BLACK asshole which they love so heckin much.

>>15164341
>because black holes require unification. basically they are so big that we dont understand them. we cant see them. like how a fly cant see you. it can see a piece of you, it knows something is there, but your body is incomprehensible to it.

Like a shadow. It exists as a lack of something else worth investigation.

>>15166112
That's a sure lot of "nothing" you use to define your alleged "thing".

theory is based on time somehow being a measurable dimension rather than a super ambiguous term basically relating to the measurable change in arrangement of matter.

since perception of 'time' is so subjective and probably relates more to speed of cognition than to anything to do with gravity, it's kind of silly to label it on a spectrum with physical space. i feel like they must've used timespace as a kind of metaphor or just been a bit stuck on possibilities of time as a dimension.

>>15163450
Lick my black hole.

>>15167748
Space and time are unified. In almost entirely general, particles are only at a specific place at a specific time.

The question is how is that relationship held up in the universe. The discovery was that space and time are restricted to particles traveling slower than the speed of light. while the speed of light remains constant, observers witness changes in space and time.

Say for instance two observers pass one another at very high, but constant speed. One will say that the others' clock is slow while theirs is moving normally. The other will insist that the first observers' clock is running slow, while theirs are moving normally?

So who is right?

We have to compare the clocks.

Suppose we make the first observer turn around and compare their clock to the second observer. That observer will feel a force like gravity that will definitely slow their clock down as it accelerates to catch up to the first clock. That clock will be slower. It works the same in reverse.

Suppose we turn both observers around, so that both experience the same force, for the same amount of time and the clocks will be synchronous when they are compared.

This force of gravity and the force of acceleration both serve to slow time. Thus, time is objectively affected by forces of acceleration/gravity and subjectively affected by local speeds.

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>>15168280

I can go dumbester.

>>15168280
>>15168755
ya this is absolute bullshit

>>15168965

Intelligence is a meme. The only thing that really exists is aptitude.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=snCqf46QOkg&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE

Wait, I thought this is ovvious.

>>15171496

It’s not taken seriously.

>>15168965
seems accurate to me, did the high iq analysis trigger you emotionally? that would explain your negative feelings about it

>>15172410
What about the gnometric inversion part? If that's wrong what is true?

>>15172591

If that's wrong then maybe the "Everything falls into the singularity and it's just a point of infinite density" theory which already exists is true, but I don't see how that is tenable anymore. To me, the evidence for a geometric inversion is overwhelming.

It comes down to an increase in volume. The black hole interior has a greater volume than a two sphere of the same volume.

I'm assured that this means the space is negatively curved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZZ8eKhpuLM

>>15173046
I don't think those two things are mutually exclusive. "Singularity"/geometric inversion are two sides of the same coin and which one you are dealing with depends on your frame of reference. The universe isn't a sheet just because a photon experieces infinite length contraction, either.

>>15174555

Well, alright, but no matter how you imagine it working, it doesn't change the fact that the Einstin-Rosen bridge is a solution for the Schwarzchild metric.

I still haven't suggested anything that isn't strictly from textbooks.

>>15174902
That doesn't really change much in terms of internal geometry (other than that it is extended asymmetrically past the former singularity). What are you getting at?

>>15175473

I've made my case perfectly clear.

>implying 3D time beyond the horizon
>implying timecube

>>15175580

The middle drawing kind of seems reasonable at least.

>>15175554
Essentially you're saying the shaded area is space, right?

>>15177953

>>15163450
This is a fundamental inversion of space and time. It's key to understanding what lies beyond the boundaries of space and time.

>>15163469
>non disprovable conjectures
its not a science topic if it falls into that category.

>>15177956

Below the event horizon is spacetime. Inverted spacetime.

Our universe - timelike separation withing light cones. Spacelike separation outside of light cones. Particles move freely this through space.

Event horizon - Lightlike surface / Null surface
only photons(& other bosons?) can exist in this space.

Black hole interior - Spacelike separation within light cones. Timelike separation outside of light cones. No particles outside of hypothetical tachyons exist.

But when I say that the inversion is a true geometric inversion it's just a statement about the metric. The metric is spherically symmetrical, thus if you invert a sphere you get a pseudosphere. This is true even for metrics which solve for the EFE, i.e. The Schwarzchild metric.

>>15178292
>schizophasia and delusional grandiosity

>>15178303

>Deep seeded yearning to suck dick and lick balls.

>space-time
>dark matter
>dark energy
>black hole
>big bang
>10+ dimensions
lol. ok.

And 100 years ago, everyone “knew” that the world was flat.

>>15163663
You send me in God damnit.

>>15178435

You'll never get past the wall of asymptotic darkness without an Alcubierre drive.

SSSB

>>15163469
It worked for Hawking. Total fraud.

>>15163946
The universe is the white hole.

>>15166135
Impossible because I’ve met your mom