/sci/ - Science & Math

first for xrs-2200

TOWER AWAY!

third

How do we escape Earther politics? Would 10 minnie internet delay be enough? Or does Mars simply need like a weekly cache?

>>15144115
Vulcan is decent for a non-SpaceX rocket and will at least be competitive if not better than New Glenn, but when Vulcan someday becomes uncompetitive, I don't see how they move on from it.

We’re outta here

>>15144124
What even is your point?

>>15144132
don't continue that off topic discussion here please

>>15144129
perhaps by designing the fabled ULA vtvl rocket
naturally this will involve seven or eight BE4 engines, because those are what they're using now. Maybe call it, Vulcan 2. the New Vulcan, if you will.

>>15144133
Okay

>>15144130
Orion built-in LES

>>15144128
I imagine it would be like Japanese imageboards where they just ban anyone who isn't from there.

>>15144132
Holy shit did you really try to bring this faggotry into another thread? Fucking hang yourself. If you make another post in this thread your mother will die in her sleep tonight.

Kek the Europa rocket was such a meme, ELDO had no managing role at all and each country had full control of their own stage (UK:S1, France:S2, Germany: S3, Italy:Fairing) with just mechanical and radio compatibility taken into account.
Back at the launch Center each stage its own team in its own room which controlled its stage in its own language, the french speaking S2 team follows the English speaking one and then have control to the German speaking one for S3. The parts of the launcher never worked together on any of the launches

Fun fact: the last failure of Europa 1 was due to an Italian Electrical engineer voluntarily dismissing the blueprints on a system of ejector plugs for the fairing and making his own off the shelf ejector plugs because he thought better.

>>15144132

>>15144128
only a matter of time until there is some retarded politics on mars as well, but I guess actual concrete problems are going to be the main focus for quite a while

>>15144137
Lol, I was gonna post that too. craziest shit ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCKXU8Z_TD0

>>15144141
The ESA makes me sad. The EU has an economy nearly the size of the US economy but they don't do fucking anything because their shit is even more of an incompetent, bureaucratic jobs program than NASA is.

>>15144141
Italian electrical technician sorry*

>>15144144
I think Antarctica is a fairly representative sample of how it'll go down.

When the biggest settlements are like a thousand people and everyone is highly educated and united by a common purpose, people can chill a little bit.

>>15144141
Joint programs are a mistake. Everyone should make their own rockets.

>>15144157
hey, maybe we should make our own

>>15144128
Ignite Earth's atmosphere upon completion of the Mars colony. Burn the Earth, leave it behind!

>>15144172
humans were multiplanetary for a few hours...

>>15144157
Pretty soon the only people building rockets in Europe are going to be Germans and the only place in Europe launching rockets will be Scotland. The French response is going to be fun to watch.

>>15144157
Works for small launchers or medium-small launchers
, but not really possible for heavy ones

Vega and Nuri are probably the most capable launchers built by country that doesn’t have 100 million educated people or more

>>15144157
lol read that as jobs programs

strap five falcon cores together, it's that easy in rocketry

I'm curious if the Chinese New Year or the Gregorian New Year has any orbital relations to the earth-sun orbit and if there's a model where it shows those two days and alignment of earth-sun orbit.

>>15144145
Wow I never realized it was actually flight tested, I thought it was just a pathfinder

>>15144197
I’ve thought about this before; I believe they have no association with the orbit. Universal new year should be the exact moment of orbital apoapsis or periapsis, but alas I don’t make the rules

Trojan whores

No gimmicks, no spectacle

>>15144172
But Star Trek: Picard told me Mars's atmosphere would be the one to catch fire

>>15144206
Constellation program stuff?

>>15144211
From everyone’s favorite gay twink

>>15144208
I don't watch shit

>>15144224
just post the damn image, nobody cares about who made it

>>15144174
Frenchies aren't going to abandon Ariane

>>15144224
I’m no expert, but bringing along an entire extra Orion just for more living space seems ludicrously expensive compared to just building a tin can or an inflatable or something. Talk about a grift lol

>>15144207
no success

>>15144117
Imagine if they put this on the Shuttle

>>15144232
DESU the original plan from constellation was for Orion to cover what commercial crew and cargo does today, too. So you would’ve seen 2 orions carrying crew and 2 carrying cargo to the ISS every year. Increasing the flight rate to 4X a year might lower costs a lot.

Some more obscure stuff from constellation is that there was supposed to be a variant of Orion with a cargo carrier instead of the capsule. Think Cygnus but 20 tons

>>15144129
>if not better than New Glenn
expendable rockets cannot be cheaper than reusable ones

>>15144232
>an inflatable
more expensive than tin cans produced by a free market

WDR tomorrow

>>15144249
Enter H3

>>15144229
They don't need to. Ariane is perfectly capable of abandoning them all on its own.

is gundam /sfg/ kino?
ive never actually watched it, just built the models

>>15144270
It's cringe

>>15144270
You're planning on moving to Japan so you can get cheap gundam plastic and court Japanese aerospace engineer ladies and you've never even watched the damn anime?

>>15144284
unironically no

>>15144270
There are some good ideas here and there in it, but the main interest is definitely not the hard sci fi

>>15144270
Idk I'm only familiar with the two that aired on Toonami 20+ years ago and it's been that long since I've seen them. The whole franchise is intimidatingly big and I've never gotten around to trying some inroad into it.

>>15144243
RS 25 had an isp of 452 seconds and a thrust of 220 tons. There really is no improving it for hydrolox launchers

so what's tge plan this week? do they really need a TFR for WDR??

>>15144308
the "coolness factor" is also relevant

https://youtu.be/OxNgSj0xELw
Haha :)

They are going to break something when they do the 33 engine static fire aren't they?

>>15144302
Just ignore anything from the Universal Century, that is a serious clusterfuck. 00, Turn A, and Iron-Blooded Orphans are all good self contained series.

>>15144308
Rs 25/RD-0120 has SL isp >350 but they were staged combustion, RS-2200 would have been 347 isp but as Gas generator, which is very good, other GC hydrolox engines are around 320-330 at most like Vulcain.

Aero spike is kind of a meme anyway, it’s the best for smaller ssto or first stages but that’s it

>>15144319
If anything breaks, the NHTSA will need to conduct a 6-month investigation

>>15144311
TFR?

>>15144270

>>15144323
UC is just watching the 50 episodes of Zeta and four movies (3 recaps of the first series and CC), then every other parts of UC is self contained

>>15144311
soul

>>15144328
>>15144311
Temporary flight restrictions because possibility of large open space rud which may impact aircrafts due to high energy contained within the booster and the ship

https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1617215737856417793
>What sorts of tests need to be done before Vulcan’s very first launch attempt?
>Lots. Stack the booster and Centaur. Test those connections. Redo the path finder tanking test series (this time with both stages). Wet Dress Rehearsal. WDR through Flight readiness firing. Back to the VIF. Stack payload. Test all those interfaces. Test the spacecrafts. Roll & go

>>15144349
2025+

>>15144349
>not even finished with pathfinder testing
Well 2023 isn’t happening

>>15144349
Q3 2023 desu
Did they ever static fire the booster? We have no idea how they tested the BE4sj

>>15144356
ULA is a bunch of posers

>>15144349
Q4

https://youtu.be/Twoa_l3k4yY
EXCITING

Inshallah WDR tomorrow alhamdulillah

>>15144362
>Did they ever static fire the booster?
They were tested on the stand at texas but one of them had to be sent back to alabama to fix a problem they found. So far they’ve been shipped to ULA, have been mated for fit tests, but are still technically not finished because BO sent them in an incomplete state. No static fire on the booster has happened yet—and probably won’t happen until July at the earliest

>>15144308
>There really is no improving it for hydrolox launchers
Of course there is. You could push it's chamber pressure to 300 bar for example. Make a sea level and vacuum version also instead of a shitty hybrid.

>Starship
>Terran 1
>Vulcan
Who reaches orbit first?

>make ultra high ips hydrogen engine
>engine so weak it can't lift the rocket
>attach 2 giant SRBs with an isp of 250 just so rocket can lift itself

>>15144381
lalilulelo

>>15144224
>twink
Proofs?

>>15144388
Could you imagine what’s would happen if Vulcan fails to make orbit? Lol

>>15144402
I miss him

>>15144399
Tbh using a sustainer core with two boosters is not a novel idea. Even Titan did it.

>>15144399
and?

>>15144399
This rocket was designed by 1975

>>15144399
Cool!

how do we fix hydrogen?

>>15144406
>payloads are delayed over and over and over
>Tory gets fed up and launches the first Vuclan with a cement mass simulator
>it blows up anyway

>>15144427
combine four of them with carbon

>first maiden launch of a brand new booster and upper stage is a super important first ever American private moon lander

I don't know...

>>15144428
Nah tory is lucky Peregrine and Dream Chaser keep slipping. It’s helping him save face as his rocket isn’t ready yet either

with concentrated engineering effort we could have put a man into orbit in the 1930s.

>>15144427
make it lighter

>>15144437
Imagine the aesthetics

>>15144437
also propulsive booster recovery was possible in 1970 unironically

>>15144427
Combine two of them with oxygen, consume it, and piss into the airlock

>>15144440
could we colonize phobos and deimos?

>>15144444
wasted

>>15144444
why is everything about pee with you?

>>15144436
Yeah, but he still has the space force breathing down his neck about a rocket that was supposed to be flying years ago, and its first national security payloads aren't ending up nearly as delayed as the commercial ones.

>>15144444
BASED

>>15144443
There were NASA plans for propulsive landing boosters that used jet engines for the final descent because 60’s computers weren’t strong enough for the hoverslam

>>15144454
The DoD has falcon in the meantime, and come on they knew this shit would slip into oblivion

so what is the status of the EM2 megumin rocket? have they built the core stage? do they have all the engines done, ready to be put on the test stand at Stennis?

>>15144444
based Pisslock® enthusiast

>>15144444

>>15144446
no

>>15144476
whats stopping us

>>15144471
The DoD has Falcon for payloads that don't need vertical integration. A lot of them do.

>>15144443
>>15144470
I want to know more.

>>15144174
Are you the retard who insists that Germany would build an orbital rocket in a year if it really wanted to? lol

>>15144130
>dat repurposed peacekeeper solid propellant icbm tho

>>15144483
Good point

>>15144479
Not enough gravity

>>15144427
neutronically heat in reactor pulse.

Haven't been following anything for over three weeks now, anything interesting that happened/ is happening?

>>15144435
>super important
LMAO

>>15144257
why get your hopes up? Elon will lie to you every single time.

We'll be lucky if we get an orbital launch by December 2023.

>>15144446
phobos and deimos are orbital gas stations

>>15144486
I'm a different retard who thinks there's a non-zero chance for Rocket Factory Augsburg to make it to orbit before Ariane 6 or Vega.

>>15144499
Kek

>>15144270
Gundam is kino.
EARTHERS have souls weighted down by gravity.

>>15144470
>60’s computers weren’t strong enough for the hoverslam
possibly. the AGC most definitely is though.

>>15144497
Virgin Orbit is on suicide watch after their hyped up British launch failed
ABL had a failure too
Falcon Heavy launched
Significant full stack Starship testing is still "soon"

>>15144510
>AGC most definitely is though.
why

>>15144497
WDR tomorrow surely this time

>>15144500
>Elon will lie to you
Elon hasn't said anything about WDR. Stop coping

>>15144502
I don't think the French will be too worried about a smallsat launcher test launch

>>15144440

1000 raptor engine tests last year

>>15144521

>>15144517
Cause it is that way.

>>15144427
make it metallic and fuel SSTO spaceplanes with it

If you guys see a helicopter at BC tomorrow, that's me!

>>15144528
That's not 1000 though.

>>15144537
Some of you are okay.
Don't go to the OLM tomorrow.

>>15144539
32x32(31 + partial space)

>>15144528
How many did RS-25 do?

>>15144548
okay

>>15144490
Just wrap it in graphene and spin it up nigga

it's not safe to put astronauts on sls

>>15144557
Do it anyway lol. I don't care much for the Artemis program nor astronaut lives.

>>15144528
For all the shit people give Raptor, I have no doubt it will be Merlin-tier in terms of reliability very soon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Comet_of_1744
>Its apparent magnitude may have reached as high as -7
That's bright enough to cast a shadow

>>15144567
you can have a shadow with a single photon emission so yeah

>>15144569
lol

>>15144484
Chrysler’s bid for the Space Shuttle was a VTVL SSTO called SERV. It’s exactly what it sounds like, but for landing, it used a bunch of jet engines.

SERV probably would’ve never worked as an SSTO, but who’s to say we couldn’t have had a Falcon 9 in the 70’s? Also here’s a vid
>https://youtu.be/___JNGJog0A

>>15144575
I thought the biggest issue would have been processor power. They didn't have 50 years worth of Moore's law to hard carry them, and I figured you would only be able to do VTVL if you have decent fly by wire.

If I turned out to be wrong, that would be pretty cool. You could use off the shelf fighter jet turbines and then feed them from the same kerosene you're using for the kerelox. Actually, that just sounds like a great design idea in general.

>>15144575
>>15144484
Forgot pic

SERV lost the bid because it didn’t use the Shuttle, and instead had a smaller, Dreamchaser-esque spaceplane for strictly crew. Cargo would be carried inside of the SSTO’s payload bay.

what's after WDR again? destack?

>>15144585
WDR > destack > rollback > raptor swap > rollback > stack WDR >destack > rollback >raptor swap > scrap booster

>>15144585
Probably destack, then static fire, then one more WDR, followed by launch. I don’t know why they don’t want to static fire with the full stack but I guess that’s the plan. Ship 24 was supposed to have another static fire but that seems to be cancelled now

>>15144593
>Probably destack, then static fire, then one more WDR, followed by launch.
april...

>>15144592
Exciting!

>>15144599
followed by one more static fire

How the fuck has booster 7 survived so much? She literally never caught a break

>>15144593
>Ship 24 was supposed to have another static fire but that seems to be cancelled now
Because Ship 24 is cancelled. Check out Nomadd's latest post on NSF, I think they will cover this in NSF live too (starting soon)

>>15144585
destack
static fire
maybe roll back to verify all systems nominal
roll back
flight

>>15144593
This is my running theory, feel free to agree with it or call it retarded:
SX might not be doing a full stack static fire because it wouldn’t give them any useful data. When ready to fly SH and SS will be filled completely with fuel and this is a huge dampener. Running a static fire with SS empty and SH filled just enough for a trial run would be too different than actual launch parameters, so there might be way more possible damage or something.

>>15144592
based

>>15144569
not one visible to the human eye you autiste

>>15144615
During the 14 engine static fire, booster 7 was barely even filled. I think the 33 engine firing won’t require full tanks. Maybe idk. Pic is from the 14 engine firing - look how empty Booster 7 is

>>15144564
Merlin shut down during flight once

>>15144626
Only 2 have failed on ascent out of almost 2000 total flights of the engine

>>15144622
Okay then yeah I am [probably] on the right track then. Even with 4x the fuel it still wouldn’t be enough to warrant SS being up there, at least I think. And it probably wouldn’t be structurally sound enough to fill SS up with nitrogen when SH is that empty

>>15144634
>structurally sound enough to fill SS up with nitrogen when SH is that empty
nonthinking take

>>15144634
>And it probably wouldn’t be structurally sound enough to fill SS up with nitrogen when SH is that empty
I don't think it matters as long as SH is pressurised

>>15144638
to simulate dampening effects of a fully fueled full stack

MARS
IS
A
LIVING
WORLD

>>15144640
Oh

What happens after Starship goes orbital?
They'll master landings in 2-3 attempts (i.e by summer).
Refueling by end of year.
Rapid reuse by end of next year.
Starship will be priced at $7.5M per launch, cheaper than even electron.
No other rocket company will ever get funded ever again.
Saudis start ordering massive space stations.
Space population reaches 1000 by 2027 (De Santis is president btw).
Lunar population reaches 10,000 by end of decade.
Martian population reaches 10,000 by end of 2035.
We start sending thousands of probes all around the solar system.
Manhattan style project on fast transit (probably nuclear, or maybe some of the other weird ones like magnectic plasma whatever) which was started in 2025 starts producing tangible results.
By 2040 trip to Pluto is just an year.
By 2050 the first interstellar probes would have reached alpha centuri.
In the next decade, off-world population probably reaches a million.
By end of this centuri, the first generational ship would have reached alpha centuri.

I was born in 1999, I live till 101, I would have lived in 3 centuries. And I will live to see humans become interstellar.
Never been done before in history of any known history of any civilization. There is no proof that even aliens have gone interstellar (where are they otherwise?). We will probably the first in milky way to do this.
Is there a better time to work in the space industry?

>>15144648
>Is there a better time to work in the space industry?
if you don't work in the industry wtf are you doing? This is once in a thousand years opportunity to build your legacy. Do you want to be the next von braun, or want to be known for increasing cola sales by 2% by adjusting button position on a website?

>>15144648

>>15144648

>New Glenn slipping to 2025 according to L2
It’s over

>>15144648
>They'll master landings in 2-3 attempts
Doubt, they first need not to destroy towers while trying also, tiles will be absolutely a problem.

>>15144652
what does this mean?
>>15144665
post screenshot

>Apollo Command and Service Module Shuttle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xox-yQADUTM
jfc that's an ugly vehicle

what are your thoughts on the sr71 being reactivated? it was spotted recently flying

What went wrong
https://youtu.be/OOmsLlZPaxA

>>15144672
I think we should stop talking about Shuttle, which set spaceflight back by 50 years.

>>15144673
No it wasn’t. That was the F-117

>>15144677
nope

>>15144679
Well I know a 117 was spotted this week. I don’t think any blackbirds are left that are flight worthy unless I missed something big. Do you have an article or a pic or something

>>15144648

>>15144692
In 1903 NYT said, man will not fly for 10 million years.
In 1961 man went to space.
In 1969 man set foot on the moon.
10,000 people on moon by 2030 is not fantasy, it is necessary.

Zero ambition people like you should stay out of the industry, why don't you sell anime plushies on reddit ads?

>>15144692
>magnectic

>>15144674
Bugs and Lizards

>>15144673
>>15144677
>>15144679
>>15144688
>>>>/k/56858491
/k/ thread about this right now. TLDR it's a shop, unfortunately

If even the space flight community lacks imagination, man will never leave its limits.

>>15144699
I hope we get FTL one day

>>15144707
Hollow out kuiper belt objects and accelerate them at nearby stars to serve as big generation arks.

>>15144270
we just quote Char here, we don't actually watch or discuss Gundam

>>15144688
>>15144703
The 117 might have been fake too, I can’t tell

>>15144703
yeah https://www.deviantart.com/armoredryukenshi1984/art/SR-71-Blackbird-by-RupprechtDeino-933366636

shoop

>>15144710
If we get it one day we have it now, what with it being a time machine n shieet

>>15144109
How to start an aerospace company?
I'm rich, but I hate my current business and I think the time has come for me to start working on what I've always been fascinated by: space.
The thing is: I dont even know where to start.
Where do I find people who know how to build rockets?
How do I find costumers for LEO launches?
How can I attract investors?
Are people even surprised by SSTO concepts anymore?

>>15144769
you should troon

>>15144769
>Are people even surprised by SSTO concepts anymore?
obsolete

>>15144777

>>15144769
1. hire all of /sfg/
2. ???
3. Profit

>>15144769
bro fuck that gay shit. build the tethered ring space launcher

>>15144769
Idk maybe start off as a parts supplier and move up from there

>>15144831
unironically good answer.

>>15144845
Unless he has something unique to offer I don't see why they would accept his parts over an established competing company that isn't just some rando they never heard of

>>15144860
How do you think new companies get started then?

>>15144769
The only thing I can think of that would be viable is going into habitation.

>>15144648
well it's good to be optimistic

So i need this thing to launch so i can get on with my life

>>15144883
I sneed it too

>>15144117

This would unironically be paragon perfect with methalox instead of hydrolox, or maybe propalox burned oxidizer rich.

>>15144883
Starship and bodybuilding are the only reasons I look forward to waking up in the morning

>>15144117
>just a bunch of tiny bell nozzles pointed at a wedge

>>15144903
do you also tape pictures of starship to the wall when youre lifting for motivation?

>>15144908
things that cant exist in reality
>aerospikes
>virtul nozzles

>>15144862
By being first and not last

And/or having ideas others don't

https://twitter.com/Jrcraft__/status/1617216840761057280

>>15144909
Shouldn't it be pictures of the chopsticks, since they do the lifting?

>>15144934
for me its more about knowing i will never make it as a mars colonist if im not jacked

>>15144896

>propalox burned oxidizer rich
>in an aerospike

>>15144932
I want to get awaaay
I wanna flyyyy awaaay

>>15144938
this was me a year ago but some reason fell off the grind. I gotta get back in gear

MMMMMMMMM N-STOFF

nsf were acting very nervous on stream today. what are they hiding?

>>15144896

Oh look, the spaceplane fag is back again. Probably to pitch another one of his retarded ideas.

The future is Starship and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE.

>>15144932
Blue Origin’s first flight since September lmao

>>15144982
XD

>>15144962
we've been over this, starship is a spaceplane

starship(1968)

time to talk about that plane NASA is developing with Boyn

Mega Starship Rocket

https://www.cnet.com/science/space/spacex-prepping-for-first-full-test-fire-of-its-mega-starship-rocket/

>>15144463

>>15145020
thunderf00t?

>>15145005
it cant land like a plane so no

>>15145037
thunderf00t's more successful cousin, lightningh4nd, aka dr beryllium mason

>>15145061

>>15145084
Gemini is a capsule

>>15145061
it absolutely can

>>15145084
Gemini is a spaceplane

>>15145090
What now?

Jk but seriously, while I like our timeline, I really wonder what a Big G/Gemini crew vehicle world would look like. Vietnam is worse than expected so the shuttle is canceled, and NASA relies on Big G for their crew stuff for the next 40-50 years

Mercury is a space suit

>>15145110

>>15145115
>astronaut poses with a balloon filled with his own harvested farts over the course of a single shuttle mission
just fucking imagine the stench judy resnik put out her fat ass

>>15144249
Observe space shittle

>>15145164
not reusable

>>15145164
the Shittle couldn't even reuse the astronauts

I like the old New Glenn design better
>Unique (not SpaceX copied) legs
>Upper stage uses methane and a vacuum BE-4
>Third stage if needed (better performance)
>Fairing shrinks down to 5 meters for “normal” payloads (doesn’t have horribly expensive fairings like now)
The reason Blue switched to the Dual BE-3 upper stage was to try to get in on NSSL-2, but that bid failed, so they made it worse all for nothing.

What happens if the Chinese or the Russians decide to steal SN 24 off the coast of Hawaii?

Have you guys seen the Ariane 6 upgrade plan? It’s kind of interesting
>Original Ariane 6
Vulcain 2.1, P120 boosters, etc.
>1) Astris upgrade
A third stage that can restart and place payloads into multiple orbits
>2) Phoebus Upper Stage
Replaces Ariane 6’s normal upper stage with a carbon fiber one
>3) P120C+ Upgrade
Extends the P120 motors 1 meter for extra performance
>4) Prometheus upgrade
This one is big. Replaces the Vulcain 2.1 core engine with twin Prometheus engines. Prometheus runs on methane but is reportedly 10X cheaper. It basically switches S1 to methane for Ariane 6.
>5) Reusable Boosters
The final projected upgrade. It replaces the P120+ boosters with Prometheus-powered methane side boosters that are designed to return and land like a Falcon 9.
>Unknown) SUSIE
No word on when SUSIE is supposed to fly but it’s on the map

>>15145187
Pearl Harbor is RIGHT THERE, and there will be a serious Coast Guard presence in the area (the Coast Guard can defeat the entire Chinese Navy)

>>15145181
They still have time to come to the light. Would Jarvis even work with hydrogen?

>>15145189
It's like SLS, instead of designing 1 rocket from the start, have a roadmap that ensures you develop 3+ different kinds of rockets. Keep the gravy flowin

>>15145189
Still in Falcon 9 paradigm

I guess they have to start somewhere

>>15144648
why so pessimistic?

Weeks?

>>15145169
>>15145179
Neither will new glenn

>>15145189
>solid boosters
>third stage
>carbon fiber upper stage
>solid booster+
>reegineering the core stage to handle new engine loads
>methane boosters, still hydrogen core
Not gonna make it. This shit is so goofy, truly Ariane 6 Block 1, Block 1B, Block 2... if youre gonna upgrade all that you're better off starting with a clean slate. All these upgrades and STILL stuck with a hydromeme core

>>15145189
only 1 and 3 will happen
1) Because it's necessary to send the Kuiper sats on their orbit, and the amazon kuiper contracts are the only thing that will keep A6 relevant and not more expensive than A5
3) Because it's tied to Vega C's upgrades and already well in progress (and also helps for kuiper sats).


Phoebus is just the prototype which is supposed to be ground tested from this summer to 2025, the operational version is named ICARUS and supposed to fly for 2030; the whole thing REEKS of the Ariane 5 ME/12 tons bullshit


>Prometheus switces S1 to Methane
no, this project involves making a hydrolox derivative of Prometheus, it's completely bullshit. It's also made obsolete by Maiaspace, which is the current Arianegroup strategy to proves Arianenext technologies.

>Reusable boosters
lol lmao, Impossible while vega flies, Vega may die in not too long, but by then it'll be too late for such development and it'll just carry over to the hypothetical Ariane Next

>Susie
Did you know that there is an unspoken rule in european aerospace that any engineer above 45 must NEVER mention Hermes? Susie was imagined by engineers below 45 who never got the lesson and want to do the same mistakes, except as a lifting body because spaceplanes are cringe now

>>15145189
Phoebus and P120C+ are pretty easy and uncontroversial upgrades to make. They're about in line with the upgrades that were made to Ariane 5 after the initial A5G model. These will happen, especially the boosters Amazon chipped in some money for them specifically and the A6 is going to need them for the eventual Kuiper launches.

Prometheus will require a massive redesign of the core stage that will make the A6-Prometheus more of an Ariane 7 than anything else. Expect this to take the better part of a decade to complete because dealing with European engineering management will allow for nothing else.

We can probably expect reusable boosters to be ready around two decades after people who aren't SpaceX start fielding their own recoverable stages. Rocket Lab and China are playing catch-up to SpaceX. Europe is playing catch-up to China.

>>15145213
This is the equivalent of seeing Booster 7 roll out to the pad in August lol.

>>15145226
Bring back herpes

>>15145222
>reegineering the core stage to handle new engine loads
Just saying, that was pretty much already done for A6, one of the big change of A6 is that the load is on the bottom (vs the top for A5= of the core, which helps for modularity, in theory A6 was designed for 2, 3 or 4 P120C (or even P120C+, that's 1800 tons of thrust and 680 tons mass), 3 P120C was dropped, but the requirements are the same

>>15145254
We really should have listened to the brits.

https://falsesteps.wordpress.com/2013/01/06/sidebar-the-multi-role-capsule/

Probably could have salvaged british involvement in ariane too

>>15145254
I feel like the only spaceplane-as-a-payload design that ever made sense was the hl-20/x-38, and that's because they were for transporting injured personnel with minimum g-loading. Most regular people with enough training can take five or six gees.

>>15145270
Honestly anyone proposing capsules in the 80s during shuttle craze was based, thank god the chinks didn't fall into the trap (although they almost did). Zarya was also really cool, pretty much a bigger dragon v2 30 years early. 3.7 meters diameter, zenith launched, propulsive LES and Landing, could carry a crew of 12!

>>15145189
so saving the reusable first stage to shill for funds for Ariane 7?

>>15145213
That's what SpaceX said about Starship launches after SN15

>>15144433
Not good from an ESG perspective. Can I use silicon instead of carbon?

>>15145287
Zarya would have been pretty cool to see fly. It's actually pretty close to what Orel is supposed to be like on the Soyuz-5.

And China has always had a fatal weakness for fads. If hadn't still been working on perfecting the LM-2C back in the eighties they'd have been chasing spaceplanes just as hard as they're chasing Falcon 9 clones now.

https://spacenews.com/with-starshield-spacex-readies-for-battle/

quite a long article that might have been posted already

Electron launch delayed to Tuesday for weather

>>15145254
Dream Chaser

>>15145187
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Missile_Range_Facility

>>15145254
Your mum already took care of that

>>15145359
Grow up maybe?

>>15145386
No.

>>15145386
your mom made my PP grow

>The LCROSS mission additionally found native silver and gold in permanently shadowed craters on the Moon, probably brought there by electrostatic dust transport, and some inconclusive evidence for platinum. Gold was estimated to have a soil mass abundance of 0.52% in these craters from LCROSS data, and mercury 0.39%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanently_shadowed_crater
Lunar gold rush when?

1980s post-Ariane 5 fly back booster

>>15145390
please
>>15145401
just shut the fuck up, you're obscene

>>15145446
your mom is obscene

Bill Nelson

>>15145443
Flyback boosters are so cool

>>15144490
Then make some!

L2 confirms new military starship is called Death Star

>>15145485
I wish someone would develop flybacks even just once so humanity can tick it off the achivements checklist. Also aerospikes.

>>15145489
That only makes sense for a station or small moon. A ship should be called Interdictor or something

>>15145489
What else is elle-dos saying?

>>15145493
It should be called Star Killer

>>15145489
I thought it was star destroyer

>>15145489
based and cringe at the same time

>>15145496
L2, say it out loud.
L
2

>>15145509
nooooo, you can't just do that

Bros it's up
youtube.com/watch?v=F_XEgMDfAo8

>>15145519
bot post

>>15145489
I don't believe you

>>15145508
nice feet, next time pls post armpit

>>15145493
Call them Executor-Class Starships, slap some camo on there for the boomers to get a semi to.

it should be called Starwar

>>15145489
Sounds fake

Starfuck

>>15145556
starpenis

Might as well call Star Fiction lmao

^ Star Fag ^

Star Fox

Star Fighter

Shut the fuck up

Starpoop

Star Ship

>>15145601
the more I see it the more I want to strangle musk. what a stupid name

>>15145604
What would you call it then, (it sucks dont bother)

Star Sentinel

Are we going to see any legitimate new manned spacecraft begin development in the next 10 years? We're nearing saturation of pretty mediocre capsules.

>>15145605
Christcraft

>>15145609
Clearly stated not a capsule (it's a spaceplane)

This is now /sfg/ - star fans general

>>15145605
saturn VI

>>15145609
If manned starship is a thing then China will definitely have started development of a post-next-gen capsule for CZ-9 by 2033, honestly even if Crewed starship at launch doesn’t happen this probably will be in development, CZ-10/5DY is clearly a stopover for a flag and footprint mission until CZ-9 gets underway

If such Starship happens then russia and India would have various ideas for a next generation crewed spacecraft after Orel/Gaganyaan, but they would be unlikely to go far

The various blue origin manned capsule wouldn’t count right? This shit started a decade ago.

I wouldn’t dismiss some Boeing/Lockmart starship competitor.

Stars may align for the esa, who knows, likely not

>USSF Manned Starcruiser Fleet (2050)

>Active Duty Earth orbit
USSF-10 Guardian
USSF-12 Overwatch
USSF-19 Polaris
USSF-22 Vega (docked to USSF-52)
USSF-24 Sirius (docked to USSF-22)

>Active Duty cis-lunar space
USSF-31 Armstrong
USSF-42 Von Braun
USSF-33 Spearhead
USSF-44 Blackbird (unconfirmed)
USSF-42 Darkstar (unconfirmed)

>Lunar surface (landed)
USSF-50 Pioneer

>Lunar surface (landed far-side)
USSF-52 Archangel

>Unconfirmed location (out to Mars orbit)
USSF-90 Sentinel
USSF-92 Sentry

>>15145642
>USSF-42 Von Braun
holy based

>>15145642
Spooky

>>15144444
based pisschad

Realistically what will the saturation point of spacex be? When Parkinson’s law will get to them and be too bloated. There’s still a lot of margin lol, unless there is a major economic and political change in the USA they’ll probably end up absorbing a large part of the American space sector

>>15145609
I already forgot about this lol

>>15145642
I want a Top Gun:Maverick esque movie where a Crew Dragon pilot has to train to fly Starship with a bunch of new guys

>>15145650
SpaceX has an ultimate goal of colonizing mars, which is super different than any other aerospace company. Maybe 50 years from now when Starship is regularly flying to mars and SpaceX sits on their asses and doesn’t upgrade it?

Imagine 2073. Starship is going to mars and we have a colony of tens of thousands on the surface. SpaceX does not care about going to the Jovian system, and says it’s impossible.

>>15144404
Posted today lol

>>15145660
Wtf I love Mack Crawford now?

>>15145654
That would be sick

>>15145660
Based and good taste

I deleted the twink thing because I value the sanity of the thread, but I just found this and cracked up

>>15145668
>likes the reply
>refuses to elaborate
lol

>>15145668
uh oh, wholesome 100 chungus bory truno might get in trouble over this

>>15145671
based tory

>>15145668
Tory is mocking us

>>15145654
Could be possible someday if that pilot is Issacmann

>>15145668
That's no Vulcan. That's a tank with "pathfinder" engines attached. It's a Potemkin rocket.

>>15145692
Youre delusional

>>15145662
>>15145690
>60 year old Isaacman on a motorcycle watching Starships bellyflop at Starbase (which now has 10 towers)

>>15145703
sovl

>>15145703
>(which now has 10 towers)
>entire wetlands area down to rio grande is paved concrete with several launch pads and towers and GSE infrastructure, factories, payload storage, with two experimental 100% automated launch pads and a USSF/USAF exclusive launch pad/facility, and the shipping channel has been extended for the SpaceX fleet including converted launch pad oil rigs and a deep dredged harbor for them

cumming, the tears of the save RGV fags and cucks

>>15145605
Starship

>>15145714
Based

what will children born on the moon look like?

>>15145743
They'll be confused for Earther adults at age 12

>>15145747
i get that reference

They should rename it to Cape Carnival. That's a much more fun name!

Does anyone know how much mass in total has been launched into space?

>>15145772
Lone Star Cape

>>15145801
Approximately 1 Lunar mass

>>15145801
More than one ton, at least
As for an actual answer: it’s probably not known, and there’s probably no way to tell the exact answer. The US has probably launched payloads with top secret mass that the USSR would never be able to know for sure. The soviets have probably put shit in orbit that couldn’t be known by the US for certainty. Whether certain soviet missions actually made it to orbit or failed can never be known. Some of this stuff was probably never been stored on a computer and was only known on paper or magnetic tape or something and now that data is gone. The best you could get is a ballpark

I am going.
(tomorrow)

>>15145810
Yay! I’ve never been to Kennedy, only JSC. I presume Kennedy is WAY nicer lol. Johnson has some cool shit but it’s small and everything is just haphazardly placed everywhere. Kennedy feels more like a purposeful public attraction.
Also I went to Slidell Louisiana last week for work and I was like “hey let’s go to Michoud!” Googled it. Turns out you need to schedule a month in advanced to tour. Fuck that

>>15145810
>>15145813
i live in florida and have been twice (2015 and 2022) and its insane how much things improved after artemis

>>15145813
Are phobos and deimos both in Mississippi now? Or is one of them still at Port Fourch*n? Louisiana is crazy. If you walk up to someone and just strike up a friendly conversation there’s like a 100% chance they will give you an impromptu tour of the orbital platform

>>15144128
How bout fucking killing them

>>15144128
>>15144144
this reply chain made me understand the hate for earthers
i just want to talk about my hobbies without annoying rightoids or trannies. why is that so hard in 2023

>>15145825
Soon, brother.

>>15145743

>>15144270
>Mobile Suit Gundam : John Wayne Gacy Days, Part I

>>15145831
I swear society is only getting more retarded, more toxic, and overall worse

>>15145840
keep the faith. sane autists who havent been groomed into becoming trannies/rightoids still exist. ive made tons of friends from random tf2 games for example. also try looking for friends irl, the terminally online dont go outside

my plan for the longest time to escape this was going to japan, japs havent been infected

>>15145813
How did you get to see HLS hardware?

>>15145810
The space shuttle exhibit is fucking cool. They way they bring you into the room is really well done. I cried a little.

>>15145810
btw,if you have the time go to the Sands Space History Center and Air Force Space and Missile Museum. the former is basically a small room but very cool, the latter is on USAF property so you need a tour

>>15145747
They'll be american?

>>15145810
BASED. I was there in the summer. I agree with the other anon, the shuttle exhibit is so fucking cool when you enter. I won’t spoil it but it’s amazing. GET THERE EARLY! there is too much to see to see everything if you get there late.

Take the bus tour, seeing the Saturn V up close is breathtaking

>>15145935
I was able to see SLS when I went. When I was leaving I saw some boomer standing with one foot on a tree stump looking at it for the longest time. I could see a glimpse the memories of him seeing Apollo 11 as a kid on the family tv in his eyes

>>15145874
You can go to the vehicle mockup facility where they do training

what will children born in zero g look like?

>>15145818
last time I was there was 2005. what's changed?

>>15145935
Saturn V is fucking jaw dropping in person. JSC has one in a hanger and you just lose all words when you see it for the first time. They also have a used Falcon booster. The thing is HUGE

>>15145956
Kennedy has one hanging from the ceiling in a new exhibit focused on commercial craft. They even have a dreamchaser.

Seeing them up close and realizing they land these, it’s amazing.

>>15145966
>>15145956
Rockets are always so much bigger than i imagine

Yeah, it's microgravity

>>15145976
They are still not big enough.

>>15145303
What is the Isp of a silicon dioxide exhaust?

>>15146002
Musk wanted 12m (ITS), then 9m (BFR/Starship), dreamed of 18m Starship, then finally said 9m might be too big. Dude can't get his story straight

>>15145772
Cape Musk
...or maybe the captcha has an idea, Cape Nova

>>15146022

>>15146013
Musk may have fallen to the FUD but I still believe in the grand plan

>>15146028

https://youtu.be/xMMLID594FU

https://youtu.be/jdAOKDu4e0M

>>15144152
And fuck a lot

Didn’t Tim Ellis say something about Terran R becoming bigger? Trying to find where he said it, it was on a podcast or something

>>15145605
Barship, as in Mars bar

>>15146095
Fartshit

Dr san pellegrino invented an antimatter drive and everyone ignores it

kind of boring news but houston is planning a massive expansion of their commercial space center, including buildings for axiom and intuitive machines. it'll big right next to nasa's neutral buoyancy lab.

>>15146135
it'll be right next*

>>15146135
This is also the only part of Houston with good coffee and you might run into astronauts when you get it

>>15146199
I am just waiting for the WDR today so I can call out that Vatnik faggot who was shitposting nonstop on the /pol/ thread.

>>15146202
>sfg anon claps back hardcore on ruzzian scum epic fail

>>15145654
>>15145703
> trying to get the thrill of aerial combat into a realistic space movie
There's a reason 2001: A Space Odyssey is like it is. That's why George Lucas cheated.

>>15146259
Aerial combat isn't really that thrilling anyway. You hardly ever see your opponent.

>>15146202
anon you are the only person who remembers that or even cares, he has already moved on with his life

>>15146270
Yeah Top Gun cheats too but flying very fast at low altitude and high g maneuvers are real and thrilling things combat pilots truly experience. There's nothing comparable for astronauts.

Real space combat would just be two ships sitting as far away from each other as possible trying to be invisible, and trying to heat each other up with lasers or something

>>15146277
Incorrect. He admitted to regularly shitposting here and spammed the SS thread with images of two more weeks tweets. He's extremely invested in WDR not happening today because he wants to be able to doompost.

are you reading any sfg related books?

>>15146312
Does Children of Dune count

>>15145810
>tfw eurofag
>tfw never been to smithsonian, kennedy or houston

>>15146316
I guess it does, I still have to read messiah myself.

>>15146312
Yes, currently reading Leviathan Wakes

>>15144427
combine four of them with one carbon

>>15146318
If you ever end up passing through the DC metro area, go to the Udvar-Hazy Center in Virginia, not the Air and Space museum in DC proper. The one in Virginia has the SR-71, Shuttle, and Concorde. The Air and Space museum in DC is actually a little disappointing.

>>15146366
I thought it was all in DC, thanks anon. Also checked.

>>15146296
Since when has the obvious truth gotten in the way of doomfag posting?

>>15146318
there are plenty of technical/aerospace museums all over Europe
but yeah, it's not like you can see Saturn 5 or Space Shuttle
being Euro is a curse

>>15145072
>not Lightb0lt
one job

>>15146318
>>15146426
The National Space Centre in Bongland has a Thor Able and Blue Streak, you can sit under them while eating your lunch.

>>15146451
It also has a soyuz and whatever the fuck this thing is.

>>15146259
>>15146278
Space Cowboys was a fun movie with the same premise (50’s test pilots learn how to use the shuttle) and it was pretty good. The climax of the movie is a rendezvous with a satellite

>>15146453
Oh, that's the Gemini capsule that they did testing on returning under a parawing rather than parachutes.

What's the status on today's WDR?

>>15146493
STATUS: IT'S HAPPENING

>>15146493
It is happening, brother. Alhamdulillah!

>>15146493
Bismillah al-Rahman al-Rahim, it is happening brother

>Bunga Chunga village evacuated

it's going down

they gon filler up to the brim

>>15146543
not happening)))

>>15146543
bing filling

>>15146522
They took away their freedoms