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I saw it mentioned here.

>> No.15142026

>>15141985
It's really easy to grasp and can help you think about some stuff in a useful way. The field itself is pretty dead though, so if you want anymore of it, you'd have to start getting into Game Theory. The field itself is dead for the usual reasons fields like that die, they're too easy to get into, so you end up with Queer Theorists and other assorted subversives devouring the entire field to show how white men are the devil and yet at the same time you end up with sociopathic management "gurus" drawing enormously elaborate diagrams to show why molesting children will help increase profit margins. Those types die on the doorstep of Nash Equilibrium and Calculus I, so they can't as readily invade Game Theory with their bullshit. Systems Theory is the holding cell for them.

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>>15142026
>Queer Theorists

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>>15142028
I've gone to the edge of that rabbit hole and it gave me an existential crisis. I would advise against looking into it.

>> No.15142057

>>15142026
So Systems Theory is really Game Theory?
Because I found the concept of Feedback Loop and System useful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systems_theory
I want to use these concepts in everyday life.

>> No.15142066

>>15142057
Not entirely. I feel like Systems Theory is an easier to grasp synthesis of concepts of Game Theory and Complexity. Like in Game Theory you'll get into Prisoners Dilemmas, but you'll also tap into Tragedy of the Commons (which you'll hear a lot about in Systems Theory). Meanwhile in Complexity, you'll get into stuff like non-linearity, feedback loops, etc. which will also be covered in Systems Theory when you talk about stocks and flows, control mechanisms and such. Honestly, to me it's really fascinating and beautiful quite frankly and I wish there was more development of it because I think it is a useful lens to examine all sorts of things through. The problem I've come across is as I mentioned, for every really useful development or insight you might come across, it is buried by so much noise and bullshit. I think it's worth the time to learn about it for a bit because again, it doesn't take long to get an "applicable understanding" of it.

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jump over systems theory and directly into Dynamical Systems Theory
understanding dynamical systems theory cracked engineering, physics, computer science, chemistry - pretty much the entirety of STEM for me

>> No.15142100

>>15142066
>>15142078
Neat thx.

>> No.15142116

>>15142100
Sure thing. If you really want an easy exploration of the topic there is a YouTube channel called something like "Systems Innovation" which has very basic treatments of a bunch of topics under the umbrella of Systems Theory. Re-visting them after you have an understanding of the subject makes you roll eyes at them in some cases, but if you have zero understanding of the subject currently, they might be a nice way to supplement your studies you are doing elsewhere. Good luck to you.

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>>15142049
>your picrel

>> No.15142487

>>15142026
https://voca.ro/1f3opjjUnkY2

>> No.15142569

>>15142487
uhh what?