/sci/ - Science & Math

what a beautiful image

>>15129948
>I'm going to walk on Mars
Do you think he will do it?

>>15129954
He has to, we need to see some footage

What could have been...

>>15129954
>I have that hoodie too
Wtf

>>15129954
this dude will probably become a tranny. i get mad tranny vibes

>>15129977
yeah you can tell it by the way he edits the images

be honest, will I live to see humanity land on mars?

>>15129990

>>15129990
If you havent takent he jabs, prob.

>>15129990
no
>shoots you

>>15129990
No. You'll die while indulging in auto-erotic asphyxiation during the first Mars bound Starship's Trans Martian Injection burn.
Many will.

https://twitter.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1615135102358503424

>>15130036
is this meant to be funny?

They are doing the WDR first, THEN the 33-engine static fire...but they are evacuating on WEDNESDAY?

Why would you need them to evacuate for a WDR?

>>15130038
Please be patient. These guys are levels deeper into this shit than train watchers. At least those have schedules.

>>15129990
if you're like 1 year old, then maybe

>>15130039
>Why would you need them to evacuate for a WDR?
Because Musk is fed up with the FEDs, anon. During the WDR, a "anomaly" will occur that leaves them with no choice but to launch the beast to save the town.

>>15129990
I think it's highly likely in the next 40 years. I'm very skeptical that we'll ever settle the place beyond Antarctic-esque research outposts within a century, though.

>>15130036
>deleted
what was it

>>15130057
I am certain the first outpost will be in less than 20 years and that almost everyone is going full FUD out of pessimism and contrarianism. The hardest roadblocks are unironically almost over

>>15130064
Assuming Starship does what it intends to, I'd agree. I really don't see an economic case for anything beyond a research outpost, though.

Considering colonization was largely a net financial drain during the age of exploration, I guess there's a chance people still do it, but I'm skeptical.

>>15130060
crystal porn

>>15130060
black guy rapping about starship, waving a handgun around and displaying gang signs

>>15130039
The launch pad failure risks are Unironically officially underestimated and could cause non-negligible property damage in the village

>>15130079
that's the point. imagine houses built a mile away from 39A experiencing a Saturn V launch. Boca chungas Village is the boomer's last stand, and that crusty bitch mary is about to get her lovely home disintegrated

WDR when?

>>15130099
after the holiday

Why does the new DC200 look so slimmer if it’s meant to carry people?

>>15130110
Very tiny astronauts, bred from beakers.

>>15129988
He edits them like that? I thought he was just completely incapable of adjusting his camera correctly.

Just saw tiangong fly over my house

>>15130110
Maybe the astronauts sit in a prone position in addition to not having windows. It looks like the ultimate canned sardine experience.

>>15130086
skeleton gripping chainlink fence.gif

>>15130110
>>15130115
as usual, the British did it first

>>15130134

>>15130137
the cockpit diagram reminds me of some kind of medieval torture device

>>15130039
Because the WDR is going to be a full tank of fuel and oxidizer, literally a giant bomb if something goes wrong.

>>15130049
>>15130065
It depends on what can be extracted locally. Antarctica is full of don't-fuck-with-it agreements that keep it to nothing but research bases. Also Antarctica gets so much fucking snow that they have to build everything on stilts to keep it from being buried.

>>15130134
I thought you were gonna post Thunderbirds

https://twitter.com/aj_fi/status/1615047285334806543

>>15130140
The thing I love about WW2 plane designers is how experimental they are. Someone really said in the 50s
>hmmm I bet I can saw off the nose of this jet and weld on a KSP MK1 cockpit onto it to test if it feels better to get your head smashed upward into the window instead of into the seat?
and got actual funding for it.

Reminds me of that time the US crashed a B24 into the ocean to test how they could improve the survivability of it and just handed the guys a bunch of football helmets only for one of them to turn into a serial killer from the brain damage of smashing a heavy bomber into water

>>15130166
Aren’t they already doing that with Long March 5-8?

>>15130176
Can't build rockets without engines.

>>15130185
Is that why Long March 5-8 barely fly compared to 2-4?

>>15130195
I think the current bottleneck is that most of the 2nd gen LMs can only launch from Wenchang, and there's only two functional pads there at the moment. The other three launch complexes have something like ten active pads that are comparable with the LM-2/3/4, so it's pretty easy for China to ramp up the launch rate on those.

>>15130110
Believe it or not but its actually 40% bigger than DC-100 class it's gonna be W I D E, its a very scalable design

Closest thing we will ever get to Venture Star

If they name one of the DC-200's Venture Star that would just be the icing on the cake

>>15130195
Yes, the launch cadence of newer LM rockets is far below what 2 pads can handle despite what the wumao would have you believe.

>>15129977
Speaking of wahts with all the space related accounts on twitter being trans and having trans flags, they tend to be the most autistic too like literally space shuttle accounts with a trans flag in bio

>>15130167
>Reminds me of that time the US crashed a B24 into the ocean to test how they could improve the survivability of it and just handed the guys a bunch of football helmets only for one of them to turn into a serial killer from the brain damage of smashing a heavy bomber into water
more on this pls

>>15130137

Booster 7 was barely filled when it fired 14 engines. That’s pretty surprising considering it’s about half of the thrust of the full set of Raptors

>>15130245
And here’s the most Booster 7 has ever been filled with propellant: during the 11 engine “long duration” test. It’s probably halfway ful - making it about 2000 tons in this pic. The full Starship WDR will be 5000 tons.

>>15130245
>>15130247
how do I cope if this thing fucking ruds during the launch attempt?

Chinese hypersonic vehicles to spaceplanes are some spooky shit, we know they exist but we have no idea what they look like, I guess it’s the last exemple of the soviet hyper-secrecy that has been lost

>>15130253
The Kennedy pad will probably operational during the year and SpaceX can just ship boosters to the cape. It delays the timeline by a year which sucks but is not the end of the world

>>15130253
Why cope? The explosion will be awesome

Anyone have some guesses as to when the full engine static fire will occur?
Next week or or so if the upcoming test is successful?

>>15130236
autistic people are more likely to have autistic interests like spaceflight
they are also more likely to be trans
you see the same phenomenon in speedrunning, not really sure why this is the case (autism -> trans)

>>15130258
It’s also interesting because there are a bunch of people who are autistic about them and they’re very reminescent of the 70s to early 80s western autists on soviet spaceplane and hypersonic vehicles who actually sometime had better conclusion (in hindsight) about stuff like spiral, buran, soviet scramjet vehicles than the Western official agencies

>>15130272
Probably

>>15130137
Nice dick bro

If the 33 engine static fire goes well but 1 or 2 engines don’t fire or abort, will they redo the whole thing or just replace the problem engines and test them alone?

>>15129954
I have literally no idea who this zoomer is, and it should stay that way.

>>15130289
Nobody but SpaceX will be able to tell, and they won't tell us.

>>15130289
I would imagine they'd want to redo the static fire.
You don't want an N1 situation where you just hope the engines work when they're installed.

>>15130273
I noticed generally the greater the depth of autism (autistic spaceflight lore) the more likely they are either trans or are right winger/trad types

Pic related relevant as always

>>15130273
Wait a moment, spaceflight is an autistic interest?

>>15130253
Just say "this is why we test" and "they got good data" over and over and over again

>>15130301
lmao

>>15130065
>colonization was largely a net financial drain during the age of exploration
Correct, and much of it was to prevent the other guys getting an advantage. Mars won't be different.

f

>>15130159
it doesn't snow much on Antarctica, it average 2 inches per year, but when it snow, it doesn't melt.

>>15130326
Rip Vladimir Komarov

>>15130291
SpaceX teen fan turned employees.

>>15130326
>>15130336
People die when they are killed.

H3 core en route to Tanegashima

>>15130236
Because most aerospace jobs are in liberal urban areas I guess.
>>15130301
Wait a moment. How did I end up with an "autistic interest"? I'm smarter than this!

>>15130236
Troons are generally autistic and autistic people have very niche specific interests

https://twitter.com/GreyEth/status/1572245458520801284?s=20

>>15130383
God I love anthropomorphized rockets

>>15130362
Fuck yeeeeeeah let’s go

>>15130394
T-25 days and counting

>>15130362
I am unironically excited for H3.

I was inspired by a story about a man who was broken down and then built back up even stronger

>>15130383
bro that guy posts hot rockets getting fucked

>>15130411

>>15130406
>>15130362
I want to see Japan put a crewed Dreamchaser into orbit on an H3 and beat both India and the EU to becoming the fourth nation to do their own manned launches.

>>15130406
The Delta IV Med retired just before I got into watching spaceflight streams. This is going to be the closest I ever get to see that in flight. That, and it's the first of the post-EELV generation to make it to the pad.

>>15130362
ETA to launch?

Will Clear be the JAXA host?

>>15130414
Dreamchaser won’t be ready and using another nation’s shitty space plane won’t make them an independent crew launcher, just a space uber
Fuck all space planes and fuck your stupid post

>>15130421
Fuck all anti-spaceplane fags

>>15130421
Dreamchaser isn't a spaceplane, it doesn't even have wings.

>>15130428
Spaceplanes and lifting bodies are the same thing

https://twitter.com/JoeTegtmeyer/status/1615138249541931011

The SpaceX facility in Bastrop, possibly Starlink factory

>>15130423
Hey retard
How are you planning on flying into space?
The air doesn't go that high
lmofa

>>15130430
Looks fake (not real)

>sometime in the future when everyone ITT has become a boomer
>Europa probe mission
>probe melts through ice and afterwards takes literally days to dive through the 100km deep ocean
>finally, first metrics and images appear
>ice
>fucking ice
>a month later, scientists state this ice cover is just 10m thick but global
>above ocean is just BARELY heavy enough to create exotic high pressure ice
>possibility of life there extinguished: Europa is a lifeless ice cream sandwich like Ganymede
How mad would you be? I honestly would seethe so much I'd melt the ground underneath me like the probe.

The solar system is a spaceplane. How else can it skip-glide?

>>15130436
Its okay because by then, we'll all be on Mars, shitposting about E*RTHERS

>>15130420
February 12th, so we're 25 days out.

>>15130414
Unlikely to work. The H3 is a rough equivalent to the Delta IV Med, and that could only lift about 12 tons to LEO. Dreamchaser is flying on the Vulcan VC4 which means its weighing in between 16-21 tons. Dreamchaser without the Shooting Star module might work, but there's no official numbers posted on how much that's supposed to weigh. And we don't really have any numbers at all for what the DC200 might weight, but I'm guessing it's probably going to be more than the DC100.

>>15130437
I litereally never knew this, thats fucking cool, so we are at a period where its just edge on view now of the galactic plane, imagine the view of the galaxy at its peak

>>15130436
>How mad would you be?
I already know its popsci hype so not mad at all. Same for Enceladus & Titan.

>>15130436
would not actually really give much of a fuck
if there is no life out there, then humanity will spread out anyway

>>15130436
>1 less future settlement world to suffer from NASA's planetary protection autism restrictions

Elated

>>15130430
they seem to like that swoosh design

H3 reportedly costs $50 million in its base form. Not bad for a hydrolox vehicle desu

>>15130110
>>15130211
>40% bigger
sure doesn't look any bigger in that side by side render

>>15130247
Not the most mass. They filled it way up with nitrogen.

>>15130289
>>15130292
>>15130295
They won't redo it and this is a certainty. Plenty of evidence for that on the Ship testing.
Just fired the replaced engines if its one or three

>>15130467
Just checked and the molecular weight of N2 is almost twice that of O2 and CH4 (28 g/mol vs 16 g/mol for both). I don’t know about the density though.

>>15130469
Ask Stephen Wolfram

>>15130471
Just checked. LO2 and LN2 have the same density but CH4 (liquid) is about half. So you’re right, fully fueled B7 with liquid nitrogen is probably heavier than even a WDR B7

>>15130478
Wait I’m fucking stupid. Methalox has a density of 0.424 g/ml, while LN2 has a density of 0.807/ml.

>>15130441
https://www.americaspace.com/2014/08/23/flight-plans-and-crews-for-commercial-dream-chasers-first-flights-one-on-one-interview-with-snc-vp-mark-sirangelo-part-3/
>“For the November 2016 flight it will be a full orbital flight. We are launching using a full Atlas V in the same flight configuration as we would use to go to the space station with. We are flying on an Atlas V 412. The first stage has one strap on solid. We are lighter [compared to CST-100] and don’t need a second solid. The second stage uses a dual engine Centaur.”

Dreamchaser is lighter than Starliner and was originally going to be launched on an Atlas V N12.

>>15130488
you said that didn't you? it's about half

>>15130489
Fun fact but Atlas V 411 has the same TWR as Starship (1.5). Watch the launch of Osiris-Rex to get an approximate for starship’s liftoff speed

>>15130493
>Methalox
OH that's quite a bit more then

>>15130443
Imagine the launch window

>>15130443
Dear god please may FTL be possible

>>15130437
>the sun orbits around the milky way center at 514,495 miles per hour

What would interstellar warfare without FTL look like? Is it even possible?

>>15130509
OMEGALUL KEKVV BatChest amirite

>>15130436
That's exactly what I would be expect. If it turns out to be barren then it's less competition for the best moon (Ganymede) so I'm happy.

>>15130516
>>15130529
>the_trek_connection.jpg

>>15130436
>ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS INCLUDING EUROPA

>>15130527
Realizing this makes me think that, time taken aside, it really must require a lot of energy and calculation to go from one solar system to another. There must be notable differences in their rates of rotation around the Milky Way’s center

NSF has the speculative physics containment section for FTL and intergalactic schizos.
It is barely spaceflight related.

>>15130529
Assuming 90% c travel possibility, that means travel time between alpha centauri to earth is ~ 7 years.

So with a fission missile that can go 0.9c for just 5 years(for the missile itself would need only 5 years to get to earth with to relativistic time), it will get to Earth. So a war between Earth/Alpha Centauri can be waged just like that. With missiles.

Lets reduce the speed down to 0.5c, that missile will have to go ~15 and half years.

If we drop the max speed to 0.1c (30,000 KM/s), then its a 90 year missile travel time.

Its possible, but depends on lot of factors.

>>15130548
Yeah well NSF is gay so the point is mute

>Wind Rider, if successful, will enable launch windows oncea year to destinations across the solar system, at vehicle speeds approaching the solar wind speed, which ranges from 340 to 560 km s−1 with an average of 430 km s−1. The basic concept of the Wind Rider plasma magnet has been demonstrated onthe ground and the next step is an in-space flight test. The JOVE tech demo would demonstrate this propulsion technology with an unprecedented 25 days travel time to Jupiter

>>15130548
Agent smith earning his keep.

It’s literally that easy

>the point is mute

>>15130556
moot

>>15130553
This is based. Hope it's not complete bullshit. An ultralight probe that gets to Jupiter even an order of magnitude slower than that would be crazy.

>>15130556

>>15130560
The only way to know if it actually works or not is to test it outside of Earth's magnetic field, in cis-lunar space, which there aren't many rideshares to, and they need like $40 million to do it (build, test, fly)

Its so frustrating how close and far it seems, and not knowing if it will even work in practice, and the funding to find out is nonexistent for their team so far.

>>15130362
>>15130394
>>15130398
>>15130406
>>15130414
none of you will ever be a real woman

>>15130565
Whats even more crazy is that they recommend affixing it to an Aldrin cycler, which means this contraption could basically be an add on to any probe or spacecraft giving it extra propulsion in space, I think not sure but it sounds like it

Imagine launching a Neptune probe, Cassini style, and after the final kickstage is separated the plasma magnet boom is extended it deploys and accelerates your Neptune probe to Neptune in less than a year.

How is NASA not immediately going full in on this, it will benefit their people and their mission too ffs

>>15130568
Any more /sfg/ OC

>>15130568
But does SLS have her own mascot?

>>15130568
https://youtu.be/Zklo4Z1SqkE

>>15130569
And by boom I mean a pole that extends out of the main bus to give it room to deploy fully (its a big boy)

>>15130568
This

>>15130576
The most important cubesat in the world potentially and noone will fund it

Reminder that Starship tankers will be made very short and stubby.

>>15130585
No

>>15130586
>being this retarded
Starship tankers will be the most important to payloadmaxxx.
What do you think 150-200 tons of methalox extra in the tanks add in height?
What's the rest of the payload bay for?

>>15130588
>being this retarded

Stretched tanks

Starship will land on wheels

>>15130568
hydrolox isn't why people hate the SLS

>>15130593
>>being this retarded
>Stretched tanks
>just add another 1000 tons of prop to make it the same height bro
>chamber pressure will be increased to 800 bar and two more vacuum raptors

Is USNC a meme? They won NTP contracts for in space demonstration in 2027 one year after General Atomics tests their system in 2026

I feel like no one in /sfg/ talks about the development of commercial nuclear thermal propulsion

>>15130596

>>15130603
>I feel like no one cares about this cash handout contract for a dead end technology
Gee sure is a mystery

>>15130602
>SpaceX's own renders show it

Take the L bro

>>15130603
NTP as envisioned by the likes of Boeing/BO/NASA is less efficient and more costly than chemical. Give me Zubrin's NSWR or no deal.

>>15130603
>I feel like no one in /sfg/ talks about the development of commercial nuclear thermal propulsion

Probably doesn't help that you don't even know what you are talking about, Ultra Safe won a demonstration for a REP spacecraft using their Embercore and not an NTP. They never bid to develop an NTP engine.

>>15130616
ohononono HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
you WILL seethe at the chodeship

>Spacex aquires Zap! energy
would you coom?

>>15130624
is Embercore a meme it feels like a meme

>>15130620
>double the ISP of a the best equivalent thrust chemical engine
>less efficient

anon please

>>15130616
>heat shielded ship transferring propellant to a crewed ship
ohnononono

>>15130634
Wow Zubrin got his wish

So Artemis is landing here huh?

It’s gonna be like my Apple TV space goyslop

So how will they transfer fluids in zero-g? If they thrust in one direction won't they fall out of orbit?

>>15130633
it is less cost efficient on every metric that counts

>>15130638
milli-g acceleration is enough to settle the propellant against a pump inlet.

>>15130636
They should land at "Peak near Shackleton Crater"

>trajectory so beyond belief it was rejected initially by one paper as a mistake

>anons arguing about the tanker/depot Starships when we already have renders from NASA and SpaceX

>>15130633
"wow my engine is so efficient!"
"I dont even need to carry much fuel"
>lug around a massive heavy reactor and radiators everywhere you go

>>15130648
Early artemis flights are likely to use normal ships for faster R&D.
An optimized tanker variant will be a tiny little chode and there's literally nothing you can do but cope, seethe and dial 8.
Also
>muh renderfags
refer to this >>15130616 it's a renderfag being retarded not knowing this will never happen due to depots.

>>15130648
>Plain stainless steel
>No insulation of any kind
>No sunshade
>No mechanical chiller apparatus, or any apparatus of any kind
Boiloff bros...

>>15130662
No more cuck tech only steel tech

>>15130645
imagine missing

>>15130667
>It just runs in front of the solar wind like a dandelion seed in the wind. This means that it would have to be aimed very accurately at its target, and subject to the vagaries of the strength of the solar wind that is far less stable than the sun’s photon emissions. Like the dandelion, if the Wind Rider was very inexpensive, many could be launched in the expectation that at least one would successfully reach its target.

Solution is to build at scale and spam them I guess

>>15130671
This would still be a flyby actually worth doing because of the extremely short time involved in getting to your destination, ... but also past Jupiter the solar power won't cut it, so some solution is needed there too.

>>15130671
could we put a man on board?

>>15130649
A NTP engine doesn't use radiators, did you perhaps confuse it with a NEP spacecraft?

Also, halving the required amount of propellant is a net weight savings of tens to hundreds of tons.

>>15130671
Just tilt the sails nigga
Some say the ancients could even sail opposite the wind direction

>>15130677
One of the authors of the paper mentions attaching it to an Aldrin Cycler to get it looping between Mars and Earth without needing a second one
https://youtu.be/sDZNQS4gdMo?t=1109
... which means it should be able to be attached to any spacecraft to provide extra delta-v kick right?

If so it may just enable manned interplanetary flight to Ganymede, who knows what possibilities it can unlock for manned flight not possible with chemical alone, it's like a booster that goes at the speed of the solar wind, literally what the "speculative motive physics" drives promise but with an actual chance of being possible

>>15130687
WHY ARENT WE FUNDING THIS?

>>15130687
>As to enabling human flights to Mars or Titan, both by reducing cost and by reducing trip time, yes, it could provide substantial improvements. Reducing the time of flight is really important for keeping humans healthy during the trip and for reducing the consumables.

In the comments, well there you go, he's thinking as far as Titan, holy fuck that's crazy

>>15130695
I don't know it drives me up the fucking wall, I guess not enough people are convinced, it looks too good to be true

>hey we need like $50 million for a plasma magnetic probe prototype that's only ever been tested in the lab that uses superconducting coils and rides the solar wind so it reaches Jupiter in 30 days and can't be propelled in Earth orbit so it needs a dedicated or rideshare out to cis-lunar space

Few people probably wouldn't dismiss it outright as impossible.

>>15130695
>WHY ARENT WE FUNDING THIS?
>WE
you don't pay taxes, you don't fund anything. the idea of spending other people's money appeal to you because you have none of your own and no prospects or plans for ever getting any

>>15130700
it seems way less fucky than lasers
>>15130702
i pay taxes. i think we could dissolve JPL and use the warchest to fund this

>>15130702
>tfw pay my taxes but NASA isn't even involved in this prototype or experiment so it wouldn't matter anyways

>>15130695
>>15130700
Jurvetson should shake some out his pocket.
Problem is that the people doing the study might not be the right people to actually build the probe so that it works.

>>15130706
I mean it uses basic 16u cubesat stuff apart from the deployment mechanism of the giant sphere, it's design is all outlined here https://www.researchgate.net/publication/358839818_Jupiter_Observing_Velocity_Experiment_JOVE_Introduction_to_Wind_Rider_Solar_Electric_Propulsion_Demonstrator_and_Science_Objectives

>>15130645
Look at its brachistocronocity

>>15130436
Boomers can only be born between 1946/1970 and I didn’t read the rest of your post because you’re dumb

>>15130723
Have you ever seen a more perfect line in space

it would be cool if bill gates had a rocket company against elon. you could call it battle of the billionaires, or billionaire space race

is the 33 engine test going to happen anytime soon?

>>15130565
Electron litterally sent a payload to a similar orbit a couple months ago

>>15130768
please forward all spaceflight inquiries to the Federal Aviation Administration

>>15130383
>not drinking shots of TEA/TAB
or wait, is tea/tab actually purple drank? What color is it?

Phil Washington is Biden's new pick for FAA administrator, he's a black guy. Anyone know anything about this guy? Good orbad for SpaceX? Any history with spaceflight?

>>15130249
>I'd envision an architecture where instead of being attached directly to the center core, the boosters are attached to a reinforced interstage. That way the main force of the load from the boosters doesn't pass through the center stage so the center core can be much closer to a regular stage. It would also be much easier to add more than two boosters for even larger payloads.

>>15130778
>Named Phil Washington
>Leads an agency in DC
Pottery

>>15130794
anon...his ancestors were slaves, owned, beaten, and raped by the same man on the 1 dollar bill and you think it's just a funny haha coincidence? are you insane?

>>15130778
>24 years in the military
>CEO of multiple transport organizations
he probably understands how much value spacex brings, but politically who knows?

>>15130797
Well I could point out his record of corruption and failing upward as a diversity hire instead. Would that make you feel better?

>>15130768
Unclear. A major test is currently set for Wednesday, which might be a full stack Wet Dress Rehearsal with a fully fueled vehicle, and it may or may not (but honestly probably won't) involve a static fire.

>>15130568
it would be more ironic with Delta IV medium instead of SLS

>>15129948
From another thread, about building orbital depots:
I think big spheres in space is likely how we're going to build propellant depots in space, initially in low earth orbit and eventually everywhere. I envision filling up the depots will happen in 2 ways: 1: dedicated tankers. 2: excess capacity will always be filled with propellant (or materials for the prop depot). For example, if starship has a capacity of 150 tonnes, and is launching a 100 tonne satellite to LEO, the ship would fill the remaining 50 tonnes with propellant to top up the depot.

Spherical tanks would be best because they give the most volume per surface area. A way to make these would be to bring up lots of standardized sections (such as a bunch of triangles to make a 20-sided-die shape, an isocahedron). These triangle pieces would be welded by robot into the correct shape -- the robot would have multiple arms, some with electromagnets to hold the pieces at the correct angle while welding. After the isocahedron is assembled, it's filled with an incompressible fluid and a small explosive charge. The explosive is set off, popping out the steel into a perfect sphere. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96yhdnhPxAw [Embed]

The sphere could then be covered with additional layers for micrometeor protection-- could be overwrapped with fiberglass/carbon, or additional shells of welded steel.

Multiple spheres could be joined into one massive structure, at least one sphere per type of propellant. These spheres would be sandwiched between 2 parallel planes: the sun-side would have solar panels to shade the tanks and generate power. The shady side would have heat exchangers to keep the propellants cool.

There are several possible ways to pump the propellant. A system of this size can't easily use ullage burns, so spinning the tanks and collecting the fluid using centrifugal scoops might work. Another way would be to have a bellows that inflate inside the tank and squeeze the fluid out.

>>15130886
And: how to stop leaks, specifically from micrometeoroids?

One method is to have balloons filled with some kind of sealant in them, floating around inside the propellant tanks. If a leak happens, a balloon gets sucked to the hole and partially get sucked through, popping in the process. The balloon fabric plus the slimy sealant inside harden and seal the leak-- the hardening would be caused by exposure to hard vacuum, or exposure to the propellant.

Alternatively, the gap between layers of the concentric shells of the tank could be filled with a sealant, like self-sealing fuel tanks.

I don't think spinning the whole depot would be necessary or a good idea. If the method of tapping the propellant is with centrifugal force, then spinning the tanks individually would be superior to the whole depot spinning. You wouldn't need to worry about a wobbling/unbalanced massive torus if a tank is fuller than another. Another advantage to having the tanks themselves spinning is they could be spinning in different axes, so they'd essentially act as really big reaction control wheels, so you could rotate the depot using only electrical power.
Having the depot stationary would also make space walks FAR safer -- if an astronaut got flung off a spinning station, he would need a serious rocket with a lot of delta v to go rescue him. Compared to a fixed station where an accidentally untethered astronaut could get back with just a few m/s delta v in a small package like the MMU/SAFER.

Hello please checking out Dream Chaser DC-200 series on Vulcan Centaur that I drew :)

>>15130778
Probably going to be dismissed after bungling the 5G transition again kek

>wake up
>check /sfg/ after weeks
>starship STILL hasn't launched

>>15130943
Soon™. They're setting up for a major test this week, and Boca Chica Village will be evacuated by Wednesday morning for it.

the longer starship is delayed the more powerful spinlaunch becomes. your days are numbered elon go waste what time you have left bullying twiggers

What is the smallest size that a spaceplane can be?

>>15130057
Why do you complain? That would be an amazing sight if it happens.

>>15130300
I guess it comes from autists not being able to properly understand social norms.

>>15131007
For crewed spaceplane, Probably HL-10 sized since that was considered for spaceflight

If you just want a crew return vehicle that optimises cross range you can get very the small vehicles

>>15130952
Starship is a failed program.

the reality that starship wont carry people to mars until the mid 2030s is depressing. we're so far away from space colonies that it's still scifi.

>>15130548
Imagine if we had a Speculative Physics General and the autists wouldn't have to sperg their shit here every fucking day.

>>15130414
Japan won't beat India.
However, beating the EU still is a possibility.

>virgin orbit is almost out of money
will the military bail them out? they just built launch facilities in the UK.

>>15130573
Scrab, SLS's mascot

scariest vortex baffle i've seen

>>15130568
>pic
KEK

>>15130436
I won't be surprised if the whole sub surface ocean life thing ends up being the new martian canals.
It would be cool to be able to study alien biology without leaving the solar system, but we all should always have low expectations about this shit.

>>15130886
>spheres
Just stack up methane ice cubes under a sunshade and have a guy shovel it into a tube

Kourou Arianegroup employees I know are now more or less confident A6 is effectively in 2024

>>15131162
>Q4 2023
No shit

>>15131191
A number of them were still hopeful it could either launch or be close to launching in december 2023 last month

>>15131162
No duh it’s currently listed as Q4 2023 and we all know what that means

>>15131232

Aiming for 2023 was still a symbolical goal for most of 2022
Seems like it's internally over.
https://twitter.com/VincentLamigeon/status/1615267670189907969

>The first Ariane 6 flight is still planned for the end of 2023, "if everything goes well". "There are still possible hazards in the coming months, there is no point in denying it"

>>15131238
all this rigmarole to just get stolen by pirates

calling it now, spacex will build a tower at spaceport Esrange

>>15131238
The real question is if Ariane 6 will launch in H1 2024 or H2.

https://www.ouest-france.fr/sciences/espace/le-premier-vol-d-ariane-6-prevu-a-la-fin-2023-mais-des-aleas-possibles-1c0340bc-9663-11ed-a0e2-3c14145668d8
>This launcher crisis must, according to Philippe Baptiste, lead ESA to review the rules of geographical return. These provide that the financing of each of the 22 Member States translates into equivalent industrial benefits for its national companies.
>If it is a "force to bring out new players, we see the limits of the system when we are on a competitive market", estimated the boss of the French space agency.
>“We cannot do both the geographical return and engage in a competition where we want to make a really inexpensive launcher. At some point you have to choose,” he said.

I wonder how this is going to turn out.

>>15130527
It's not a lot.

Master chief gives update on the suits. Got a feeling this will blow your guys socks off when it's revealed

>>15131279
What is meant by ‘geographical return,’ is that some weird translation for landing rockets

>>15131287
When Isaacman going to get debunked?

>>15131294
European equivalent of sprinkling NASA spending across US states.

>>15130886
there's actually a proposal for a spherical station (minus the explosives)
not sure if anyone gave them any money
between this and magnetic sail, it's the most "why are we not funding this" projects
>>15131116
not that easy in depotry

>>15130723

>>15131294
It's the official name of the national repartition policy of ESA.

It depends on projects, but typically each country is supposed to receive an amount of contracts and sub-contracts equivalent to within +-30% of their program funding.

>>15130702
Everybody pays taxes, or more accurately put has taxes robbed from them at gunpoint yearly.

>>15130645
lol
I really hope this works, couldn't these be used as crewed spacecraft as well?
Mars trips would need to waste 100k of material on the slowdown when coming from earth to mars, not sure how sustainable that really is if we want to have really long term solution

>>15131317
sounds good on paper...

>>15131296
when he gets a bit more famous

>>15131317
so that is why ESA never accomplishes much

>>15131296
in due time. even Tom Mueller was debunked as just another elon dick-rider

>>15131342
now when I think about it would be kind of funny to plant this idea in SCC or thunderfoots mind, start doing deranged videos about isaacman and how he is a fraud etc
lmao

>>15131347
Reveal their antisemitism and get them fired from their jobs

>>15131332
In the case of A6 there really was no way around it since it's mostly the same subcontractors as A5 who got experience on a similar rocket, changing them would have been too much hassle. Honeslty the delays are more the fault of Arianegroup (prime contractor) than the geographic return .

As for the future, the launch industry will probably split into more national interests (French/German/Italian) so the geographic return will be irrelevant.

>>15131342
>Tom Mueller
lol, in this time of musk derangement syndrome retards were even saying that Musk is a fraud and did not create Spacex, all the credit should belong to.. Tom Mueller, a name they learnt minutes prior by reading the wiki article for Spacex. When Tom started debunking skeptics on twatter and giving Elon the credit they got mad at him lmao

>>15131358
watched a talk gwynne did last year, not long after accusations of musk offering a pony for a bj to that spacex flight attendant. she basically reiterated the story was BS and even if it were true "nobody's perfect" hahaha

>>15131369
An entire pony for a simple BJ is an entirely one-sided deal, she'd be a fool to turn it down.

>>15131369
I think thunderfoot has done a video or at least one large portion of a video was a rant about gwenne being a fraud or something

>>15131369
>>15131376
based mommy shotwell, defending daddy

>>15131314
Think Orbital got some Space Force funds to partner with Redwire. It's small potatoes, but I'm glad some cash is getting thrown at orbital construction.

>>15131356
yeah, I know
but it's still insane to me how these things are done
It's like advocating for Euromobile where Italy is chosen by committee as subcontractor for engine, Belgium for steering wheel and so on

>>15131375
Horse and she got 250k

>>15131397
I think it’s a positive sign that people are openly saying that the system is doesn’t work or at the very least can’t produce good results. I don’t think it’s bad enough yet that things will actually change, but at least it’s heading in the right direction. If Ariane 6 gets delayed long enough and Vega doesn’t return to flight by the end of the year the only functional European domestic rocket could be a purely German project launching from Scotland. We’ll have to see what kind of reaction that shock to the system inspires.

>>15131416
Fuck's sake, who complained?

>>15131417
People were saying the same thing back during the A5->A6 transition around 2012-2014

>>15131422
she probably bragged about it to a friend, friend got jealous, talked to press about it

>>15131375
>ponies start at around $1000
meh, that's less than I'd have expected

>>15131431
not just any pony, anon

>>15131446
I wonder if SpaceX could revolutionize the horse/pony industry by making them reusable.

>>15131007
paper airplane

>Just wakes up from coma
>Starship still hasn't launched
WTF

>>15131461
I wish i could just fall into a coma until starship finally launches

>>15131455
>Japanese scientists and origami masters considered in 2008 launching a flotilla of paper planes from space.[2] The launch was tentatively slated for 2009[3] from the International Space Station[4] 250 miles above Earth. However, the planes' developers, Takuo Toda (see paper plane world records) and fellow enthusiast Shinji Suzuki, an aeronautical engineer and professor at Tokyo University, postponed the attempt after acknowledging it would be all but impossible to track the planes during their week-long journey to Earth, assuming any of them survived the searing descent. The developers continue, in 2009, with hopes that China or Russia will back further efforts on the project
>Some 30[4] to 100[5] planes had been considered to make the descent, each gliding downward over what was expected to be the course of a week to several months. If one of the planes survived to Earth, it would have made the longest flight ever by a paper plane, traversing the 250 mi./400 km. vertical descent. In a test in Japan in February 2008, a prototype about 2.8 inches long and 2 inches wide survived Mach 7 speeds and temperatures reported to be 200°C in a hypersonic wind tunnel for 10 seconds. Materials designed for use in conventional reentry vehicles, including ceramic composites, withstand temperatures on the order of 2200°C.[6] The 30 cm planes were to have been made from heat-resistant paper treated with silicon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_planes_launched_from_space
Musk should do this, offer prize money for any found

Fresh OIG report on NASA has dropped
>"Given its deep space ambitions and current budget profile, NASA will be unable to achieve its long-term Artemis objectives without effectively incorporating international partner cost management strategies."

https://oig.nasa.gov/docs/IG-23-004.pdf

>>15131583
Or just contract then to SpaceX to cut cost. But that would piss off Biden admin to no end.

>>15131583
or just compete out other parts of the program as well, not just the lander
having international partners is going to make it even slower and shittier

>>15131583
Fuck the international community, the moon is ours and we don't need their dirty mitts up there.

>>15131583
>Finally, our analysis showed that uncrewed and robotic space flight projects in which NASA works
with international partners have, on average, experienced less cost growth despite higher levels of complexity.
robofags...

"We have now become a climate agency," NASA Administrator Bill Nelson says in opening remarks at the NASA Advisory Council meeting.

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1615373859493904384

Will NOAA become a aerospace agency now?

>>15129954
He cute

>>15131636
>"We have now become a climate agency,"
How will this help us advance human spaceflight?

>>15131615
don't summon that robosexual with bait, threads are shit when he appears

>>15131636
>>15131649
Climate sats are incredibly important you retards. It'll help advance human spaceflight because it's an indispensible application for the exact same technologies human spaceflight exists to develop. The same as GPS. If hearing the word climate triggers you so much you stop wanting to predict the weather it's time to get off the internet.
>NASA has studied climate for many years as part of its Earth science activities.

>>15131649
We don't have an aerospace agency. So having one will help. If NASA wants to be a climate agency, then NOAA needs to be an Aerospace agency since the original climate agency is no longer needed

>>15131665
It's okay to be gay, just do it over there away from me.
>>15131677
Reasonable reply, not gay.

>Commonwealth Fusion - 2B
>TAE Technologies - 1.2B
>Helion Energy - 578M
>General Fusion - 322M
>Zap Energy - 203M
I understand they're trying to generate power, but which of these companies is best poised to diversify into fusion space drives? Compact tokamaks, FRCs, magnetized target, z-pinch, inertial confinement. Obviously tokamaks are out, since you cant direct the exhaust anywhere. The Direct Fusion Drive uses some kind of FRC, but damn it's such an old concept. We must be able to do better

>>15131649
Only if they nut up and build Dyson dots

>>15131677
>NOAA being the new NASA
oy vey, do you have a loicense to be taking pictures at the moon?

>>15131681
Helion which uses FRC, which is best optimized for space travel in Princeton FRC (Direct Fusion Drive) there's nothing better, plus it provides ample power to the spacecraft

NEW OIG REPORT DROPPED, GET IN HERE FAGGOTS
https://oig.nasa.gov/docs/IG-23-004.pdf

>>15131727
based pluto poster

>>15131727
How's the weather on Pluto?

>>15131583
so just cancel SLS, Orion and Gateway, they're the biggest money drain while not contributing to Artemis

>blueprint for sustained human presence throughout the solar system
Manned Jupiter mission fucking WHEN?
The rest of this is boring though, it's about reworking export controls so it's easier to do international collaboration.

>>15131735
Too late

>>15131735

>>15131681
These guys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN7lyxC11n0

>>15131736
I doubt starship can reach the hyperbolic c3 to make most shorter duration jupiter transfers possible. I would seriously be considering "meme" tech like nuclear thermal or electric for this sort of mission, especially because they'd allow for heftier power generation than solar. Maybe you could integrate one into a starship hull, maybe you would just launch the stages, who knows. But it'd be interesting to see a private company spearheading this sort of thing considering NASA won't touch this for at least fifty years, probably.

>>15131736
Don't spread out too thin as that effects your engineering workforce and limited budget. Aim for rapid Mars colonization first with 10000 human colonization. Everything else should be secondary priority. Then once mars become self sufficient, the free budget can extend to building automated depots around the Jupiter and establishing some scientific outposts.

>>15131735
You know that will leave thousands of American workers out of job, right?

>>15131743
They're no longer essential workers, please understand we're all in this together.

>>15131741
Yeah, manned Jupiter mission would require at least NEP. Solar for outer planets missions doesn't make sense.

>>15131742
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2010.00191/full

>>15131743
so what?

what's the final solution for the SLS problem?

>With regard to the lunar surface, JAXA is working with Japanese automobile partners to develop a pressurized lunar rover, which the agency hopes to be available by the end of this decade. See Appendix B for further information on NASA’s international partnerships for the Artemis missions.
Didn't we already build this fucking thing? Doesn't this already exist? Are we just never going to fly it and write it off as a waste of money?

>>15131777
Yep, same with the X-EMU, welcome to modern NASA

>>15131774
competition

>>15130634
That's stupid.

>>15131788
superheavy needs to be able to lift that thing

>>15131794
It can.

>>15130634
why the fuck does a tanker gave flaps?

>>15131796
Why wouldn't it?

>SpaceX’s contract has experienced only a 5 percent cost growth during development. Moreover, The Boeing Company has absorbed nearly $1 billion in losses due to its unsuccessful performance to date with the Starliner, losses NASA would have otherwise been responsible for had the contract been cost-reimbursement. In comparison, the Artemis Exploration Systems Development programs’ major contracts are cost-reimbursement—in which the Agency agrees to pay all allowable costs the contractor incurs in delivering the service or product—and have experienced a 41 percent cost growth in development since 2014.
Confirmation that oldspace is slow and expensive.

Selling seats, basically
>Review export control requirements and consider additional roles for partner astronauts to increase their utilization in NASA space flight operations, to include amending existing agreements if necessary.
This seems obviously good, if JAXA is will to pay for 1/3 of an SLS mission to land a Japanese astronaut on the moon, that seems easily worth it. Same with UAE etc.

have they decided already how the propellant transfer will work? So they dock side to side and then the d*pot fires thruster to settle the propellants?

>>15131788
Way too heavy.
>>15131796
Retard because it needs them.

>>15131799
>if JAXA is will to pay for 1/3 of an SLS mission to land a Japanese astronaut on the moon, that seems easily worth it.
I'd give them a discount for the chink seethe, make it 25%

>>15131808
If a Jap lands on the moon before a Chinese, I will cum instantly

Partner contributions:
Aussies-
Rover with a little shovel that'll dig up dirt on the moon
Comms, Canberra et. al.

Leafs (Leaves?)-
Canadarm3

The ESA-
Some gateway modules
Cargo rockets
ESM

Jews-
Orbiter and two landers (small)
Comms
Whatever this is
>two female manikin torsos—anatomical models of the human
body manufactured to mimic bones, soft tissues, and organs of an adult female
They're also called phantoms for some reason.

Agenzia Spaziale Italiana-
Gateway module
Moon base module

Glorious Nippon-
Cargo rockets
Pressurized rover boondoggle
Some cubesats
Batteries for Gateway and stuff

UAE-
Shitty rover
They might pay for seats

Korea-
"space internet" moon orbiter

Mixed feelings overall.

>>15131827
I forgot to include an image of said boondoggle

>>15129948
Did NASA release the Source Selection Statement for the new TROPICS launch? Curious to know who made a bid.

>>15131827
alays found it funny the italians will end up being the world leaders in making pressurised space stations and bases

>>15131827
>>UAE-
>Shitty rover
>They might pay for seats

Not GATEWAY airlock?

>>15131827
YWNBAW

>>15131827
>Moon base module
more info on this?

>>15131838
It is mentioned

>>15131844
>emerging capabilities

I expect it to be delayed for years

Gateway really will be ISS 2.0

>>15131842
https://www.asi.it/en/2022/06/artemis-mission-signed-agreement-between-asi-and-nasa/

>>15131844
They will just outsource it some American or European company, like their rover.

>>15131838
>The Gateway Program is currently in discussions with an international partner to provide a crew and science airlock
Nothing mentioned under the UAE section, the only paper in the list that they've signed is an intent to train and fly crew of some kind.

>>15131844
I pretty much ignored the "emerging capabilities" section

>>15131842
>In April 2021, ASI also contracted with Thales Alenia Space to do a feasibility study of design concepts for a multipurpose, flexible, and evolvable pressurized structure able to adapt to a wide range of applications to support a human presence on the Moon. One such concept is the Lunar Multi-Purpose Module.

>>15131850
Can't they just attach legs to Cygnus?

>>15131252
What would they need Esrange for? And even if they were absolutely nothing will be inked before Sweden is a formally ratified member of NATO.

>>15131848
wasn't that the point

>>15131827
>Aussies-...Comms
Reminder to watch The Dish, anons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMHISBzdjgU

>>15131858
The service of cygnus is not powerful enough for propulsive landing
The pressurised part of cygnus is made by the pastas, so it's back to them anyway

>>15131869
service module*

>>15131836
Electron won, right?

Can Starship serve as a lunar base?

>>15131882
They'd need to implement a sufficient life support system and put a fair amount of mass into (probably polymer) radiation shielding, but probably.

>>15130727
>Boomers can only be born between 1946/1970
Midwit. Dimwit even.

>>15131889
They can just mine water from lunar and fill starship side with it for shielding, it its not coming back up.

>>15131896
Nobody's going to lower a Starship onto its side for a moon base.

>>15131901
Why should they lower it down? Its like asking empire state building to be laid side ways because uhh earth hard and gravity will kill it upright

>>15131827
>Jews-
>Orbiter and two landers (small)
>Comms
>Whatever this is
>>two female manikin torsos
What'd this cost the US taxpayer?

SS will lower modules with wheels, which will subsequently be towed into place by the lunar rover and then it will be attacked to the rest of the base

>>15131909
600 million shekels
>The strategic plan also addresses an increase in budget that will entail an investment of nearly $168 million (600 million Israeli new shekel) in the next 5 years.

>>15131882
Yes

>>15131877
Yes, but I wonder who else submitted a bid and what was NASA's assessment.

I have an idea for a potential SpaceX / Ariane collaboration project on a single core heavy lift rocket.

First stage would use 13 Merlin 1D's and would proplulsively land the same way the smaller Falcon 9 booster would, reusing as much hardware from the latter as possible to simplify development.

Second stage would use a vacuum-optimized Vulcain 2 engine which would again reuse Ariane 5/6 hardware.

The idea is to make a single-core semi-reusable rocket with lifting capacity comparable to a Falcon Heavy.

>>15131976
For what purpose?

>>15131976
>a potential
delusional bro

I came up with an idea, i need to get it to Elon . Can you help me?

>>15131976
Vulcain 2 would have to be heavily modified to be ignited in the air, restart and Be reused

>>15132001
just post it here, Elon reads /sfg/

>>15131976
>makes retarded post
>>15132008
>misunderstands post due to being even bigger retard
many such cases

>>15132009
my idea is for a starship+ with a bulbous tip not unlike a mushroom. it would be full of whater and the whole thing is made of ultra strong star trek glass. then you can make a tether and spin it around to make antigravity and the water sticks to the top. basically a huge luxury swiming pool slash sphere in LEO. sell it to Hilton hotels

>>15132031
>Anon has an idea
>It's to build a giant glass dildo
I should have expected no less from /sfg/

>>15132009
He doesn't.

>>15132009
he does?

>>15132031
This drowns the tourist.

>>15132031
Can someone draw this in paint? I'm not sure I'm visualizing right

>>15132050
meaning tourists cant flaot?

>>15132044
Prove it

Elon if you are reading this, please bring Fauci to justice. I don't care about Tesla or Starship anymore. If we don't fix free speech no one will

>>15132082
Read the twitter files.

>>15132096
the nothingburger to end all nothingburgers

>>15132082
>>15132112
dilate

>>15132112
Glow so bright

>>15132048
no

>>15131976
these companies shouldn't be collaborate with

>>15132126

>>15132031
>bulbous tip not unlike a mushroom
not unlike a cock

>>15132135
nah nigga

>>15131918
>.pdf
unironically much better than anything NASA or ESA could come up with.

>>15132136

>>15132112
Glowing

>>15132143
>tip on side
>completely collapses in on itself, deflating like a balloon
you fucking retards keep pushing this bullshit

>>15132151
ESA and NASA can connect their shitty segments to the node for future expansion, but they ain't turning the Lunar base into ISS 2.0

>>15132158
ever heard of pressure vessels or 0.15 g?

>>15132158
retard

>>15132161
No

Reminder that modular stations and modular bases are stupid. Take material and tools to the moon, build something there.
Expand by welding new shit on as new materials come in.

Wind Rider Plasma magnetic sail as an extra propulsion module for any spacecraft or probe-

>for NASA flagship probes to reach their destinations faster
>for private cubesats to Mars
>for interstellar probes
>for Starships heading to the moon (works in cis-lunar space) so they have enough delta-v to return to Earth on chemical engine
>for Gateway to be able to station keep indefinitely in any orbit inclination or period
>for Starships heading to Mars to get there faster

It's free delta v

>Year of our Lord 2023
>we’ve only visited the ice giants once
What’s with the lack of ambition

>>15132161
>>15132165
ever heard of it will literally crumch under its own weight, let alone under a mound of dirt. and on top of that starship has more livable area stood upright than horizontal and that's a cold hard fact. that's why paul wooster stated they would not tip them on mars (it's a massive retard idea)

>>15132177
It is retarded and vertical wet workshops are already all you need. But it will also not crumple on the moon. They could just take it up to 4 bar something.

Still in awe about how eager beaver claimed it was totally possible to land Starship horizontally on the Moon with 0 modifications or upgrades

>>15132190
it wouldn't crumble with 1 bar on Earth let alone the moon

>>15132171
material like sheet metal? there is probably some middle ground that is better than completely modular vs raw materials lol

>>15132203
>with 0 modifications or upgrades
fake news. it requires dedicated thrusters as shown in the video and then of course you could do it.

>>15132205
I mean always depends how it's supported. If it's in a really nice cradle very much not like the 'scissor lift' shown in the graphic then I could believe it.

Peter Beck saw this and said yup thats a great idea

>>15132242
I expect them to struggle more than they anticipated with the huge neutron tanks.
When you're building a vehicle that lying down doesn't even reach to your nipples, then claiming to be industry leaders at carbon fiber seems to be the peak of Mt dunning kruger.

Reminder, now that Republicans have taken the house, its being packed with people who sympathize with Elon view on free speech/space.

Biden will not get his way anymore.

How do LabPadre and NSF get away with planting heavy equipment on wetlands? How is it not being confiscated or stolen?

They’re gonna launch 2 falcons at the same time in a few weeks

>>15132256
Biden just put a aircraft guy at the head of the FAA. We're fucked

>>15132262
That site admin has a habit of sticking launches with iffy dates at the end of the month until more details emerge.

>>15132256
>>15132263
dilate bunkertroons

>>15132257
didnt stop Lab from setting NSF equipment on fire, and he got away with it

>>15132151
the floors could probably come pre-installed
it would double as anti-slosh baffles, I'd think
>>15132211
pre-fabricated panels?
proonters?

>>15132257
I think I remember seeing some NSF cams are even on concrete foundations.
The whole wetlands thing is more complicated and not everywhere is a no go zone.
Also lack of niggers helps

>>15132262
they tried to do that 2 times already

>>15132268
It seems more likely that any grass fire there would have been caused by rocket engines.

>>15132277
SpaceX property lines don't go far into the swamp. They're either set up illegally or have some undisclosed agreements with the county.

>>15132177
>starship has more livable area stood upright than horizontal and that's a cold hard fact
If you bothered to look at
>>15132151
you'd see that the volume is divided into 2 bloody enormous floors, no ones getting cabin fever in that you booby

>>15132286
Yeah and that's a ton of wasted space. A circular 9m room with normal ceiling can be decently well utilized. However you slice up a horizontal ship with floors you will always waste more space.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POm8o6-fiBE

Taiwanese TV show talking about Starlink's use in war/SpaceX's starshield to beef up against China/etc

>>15132267
huh?

>>15132297
still better than using that big space to bring small modules