/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15128390
Self-similarity is found everywhere in nature.

>>15128390

>>15128390
>fractals
Really? I haven’t seen much fractal popsci since the 90s. It doesn’t have a lot to do with real life afaik, like the mandelbrot set is self-similar in some ways and a fern leaf is self-similar to some degree but there isn’t any deeper connection that you could use to predict something about ferns or about the mandelbrot set

>>15128413
>It doesn’t have a lot to do with real life afaik
Delusional.

>there isn’t any deeper connection
Between what?

>>15128398
Fractals aren't either defined or commonly self-similar. Why do you midwits think that? Their gimmick is endless (but meaningless) generative (<= in a way) "complexity".

>>15128413
You just haven't been around enough midwits. Especially if they do any sort of recreational drugs.
>the universe is just like le heckin fractals bro they hold the secrets to heckin everything bro
But what I am curious about is if they could be used to model certain things/processes in a useful way.

>>15128420
>Fractals aren't either defined or commonly self-similar
Schizo word salad. Try again.

>>15128423
Shape repetition, like the Golden Ratio, is present in a lot of natural things because it's efficient. I can see why people are awestruck by the beauty of them.

>>15128425
NTA but I think he means real things in nature are not self-similar like a fractals is, just sort of approximately self-similar.

>>15128430
>real things in nature are not self-similar like a fractals is
They are, though.

>just sort of approximately self-similar.
Fractals don't imply perfect self-similarity.

>>15128423
>Expecting druggies to make sense
Fractals are mostly a representation of a pretty simple thing about math:
Simple rules can still lead to infintely complex behaviors.
Thats in itself a valuable information as it explains how a relatively short genome of just 23,000 genes can form something hyper complex like a human, or how simple fluid physics can create an unpredictably complicated system like the wheather.
Fractals depict the origins of chaos basically.
You won't find the meaning of life if you zoom into the mandelbrot set deep enough...

>Fractals are mostly a representation of a pretty simple thing about math:
>Simple rules can still lead to infintely complex behaviors.
>Thats in itself a valuable information as it explains how a relatively short genome of just 23,000 genes can form something hyper complex like a human, or how simple fluid physics can create an unpredictably complicated system like the wheather.
>Fractals depict the origins of chaos basically.
>You won't find the meaning of life if you zoom into the mandelbrot set deep enough...

>>15128432
>Fractals don't imply perfect self-similarity.
News to me. I though that was the whole point being illustrated by le ebin zoom gifs.

>>15128440
>News to me
Well, good thing I let you know. Now you don't have to be wrong anymore.

>>15128390
>repeat a process indefinitely
>arbitrary complexity is generated
Woah dude

Could've gazed upon a computer instead

>>15128435
>Fractals depict the origins of chaos basically.
This is a valid viewpoint. I should read a book on chaos theory at some point.

>>15128444
>>repeat a process indefinitely
>>arbitrary complexity is generated
>Woah dude
>Could've gazed upon a computer instead

>>>15128435
>>Fractals depict the origins of chaos basically.
>This is a valid viewpoint. I should read a book on chaos theory at some point.

>>15128450
>posted pic is self-similar to the poster
Fractal post

>>15128460
Pic related: literally (You).

>>15128435
>>Expecting druggies to make sense
I've met many normies like this when they're sober though

>>15128444
you’re being a contrarian. Looking at the function [math]z \mapsto z^2 +1[/math], you would never expect its behavior to generate a shape as complicated as the mandelbutt >>15128410

>>15128445
>I should read a book on chaos theory
pic related does a good job of conveying the excitement about fractals and chaos theory (it’s from 1992, before even the jurassic park movie). Of course it’s a dead field now lol

>real things in nature are not self-similar

>fractals are literally nothing. i see them when i look at my computer screen

>fractals are literally just chaos

>if you iterate infinitely, you get infinite complexity, duh!

>i hate fractals because muh druggies make no sense

>it's not a real fractal if it's not perfectly self-similar

>you can't even find the meaning of life inside the mandelbrot set

>fractals aren't either defined or commonly self-similar

>there isn’t any deeper connection that you could use to predict something about ferns or about the mandelbrot set

What is wrong with nu-/sci/?

>>15128464
>Looking at the function zz2+1, you would never expect its behavior to generate a shape as complicated as the mandelbutt
Except it doesn't. Repeated application of the function does, and I'd expect it to generate something complicated because of that. So you might as well mentally masturbate to a for loop.

>>15128482
>a for loop
>t. 90 IQ internet intellectual

>>15128488
>iterated application of a function
>iterated application of a function, mathematics

>>15128492
You truly have a subhuman level of intellect.

>>15128498
Not an argument.

>>15128505
You never made an argument in the first place. Iteration generally doesn't produce anything interesting unless you happen to iterate over an interesting structure.

>>15128524
>"interesting structure"
>the most basic bitch function ever z^2 + 1

>>15128535
Nevermind retards.This place is full of legit mentally ill people. Intellectualism makes lower-mid-IQ normies into delusional spergs.

>>15128538
It's alright, I'm one of them.

>>15128553
That's what I said. Simple stupidity doesn't explain your posts.

>>15128556
You have problems bro.

>>15128390
If you have to ask yourself

>Am I just an idiot like a rest or not?

You pretty much have mental retardation, you cant clearly grasp much differences between yourself and the bunch of sub-humans

Idk the whole
>le science
Field is cucked, they mud everything

Part of why is because they hire people who are psychopaths, psychopaths below 130 IQ, like you OP

Fractals might hide deeper truths about this universe, but dont pay attention to that

Just inject yourself with some tranny cardiac juice and watch rick and morty

Youre a moron

This whole board is filled with psychopaths around midwit intelligence who roleplay to be smart

Hahahahaha

You unironically find better "scholar" and people who study at dept on /pol/

Here you just have retards who unironically watch rick and morty all day and watch some tiktok about "fractals"

Then proceed to make the most vain mentally retarded threads possible

>>15128594
>>15128598
Did you lose an argument?

>If you have to ask yourself

>>Am I just an idiot like a rest or not?

>You pretty much have mental retardation, you cant clearly grasp much differences between yourself and the bunch of sub-humans

>Idk the whole
>>le science
>Field is cucked, they mud everything

>Part of why is because they hire people who are psychopaths, psychopaths below 130 IQ, like you OP

>Fractals might hide deeper truths about this universe, but dont pay attention to that

>Just inject yourself with some tranny cardiac juice and watch rick and morty

>Youre a moron

most popsciggers don't actually know what a fractal is, they just know about self-similarity and think that's fractals

>>15128892
You're clearly one of them, since you don't know what self-similarity means nor what fractals are.

>>15128390

>>15128430
>anon just figures out the realm of forms and the imperfect reflection of it aka the material world
good work

>>15128594
>>15128598
popsoicuck detected
keep on zooooooooooooooooming in on those fractals bud
they'll show you the meaning of life and how to lose your virginity for sure

Before the 1990s fractals could not be studied because mathematics were done with a pen and paper, and when using a computer you could only do simple things like cellular automata and the game of life.

Later on computer performance got better so you could generate these shapes based on recurrence relations. They might be useful in computer graphics since a simple recurrence relation can generate a complex shape, for something like terrain generation, generating a world map etc.

>>15129014
In his Socratic dialogues Plato argues through Socrates that because the material world is changeable it is also unreliable. But Plato also believed that this is not the whole story. Behind this unreliable world of appearances is a world of permanence and reliability. Plato calls this more real (because permanent) world, the world of ‘Forms’ or ‘Ideas’ (eidos/idea in Greek). But what is a Platonic Form or Idea?

Take for example a perfect triangle, as it might be described by a mathematician. This would be a description of the Form or Idea of (a) Triangle. Plato says such Forms exist in an abstract state but independent of minds in their own realm. Considering this Idea of a perfect triangle, we might also be tempted to take pencil and paper and draw it. Our attempts will of course fall short. Plato would say that peoples’ attempts to recreate the Form will end up being a pale facsimile of the perfect Idea, just as everything in this world is an imperfect representation of its perfect Form. The Idea or Form of a triangle and the drawing we come up with is a way of comparing the perfect and imperfect. How good our drawing is will depend on our ability to recognise the Form of Triangle. Although no one has ever seen a perfect triangle, for Plato this is not a problem. If we can conceive the Idea or Form of a perfect triangle in our mind, then the Idea of Triangle must exist.

The Forms are not limited to geometry. According to Plato, for any conceivable thing or property there is a corresponding Form, a perfect example of that thing or property. The list is almost inexhaustible. Tree, House, Mountain, Man, Woman, Ship, Cloud, Horse, Dog, Table and Chair, would all be examples of putatively independently-existing abstract perfect Ideas.

>>15129014
Plato says that true and reliable knowledge rests only with those who can comprehend the true reality behind the world of everyday experience. In order to perceive the world of the Forms, individuals must undergo a difficult education. This is also true of Plato’s philosopher-kings, who are required to perceive the Form of Good(ness) in order to be well-informed rulers. We must be taught to recall this knowledge of the Forms, since it is already present in a person’s mind, due to their soul apparently having been in the world of the Forms before they were born. Someone wanting to do architecture, for example, would be required to recall knowledge of the Forms of Building, House, Brick, Tension, etc. The fact that this person may have absolutely no idea about building design is irrelevant. On this basis, if you can’t recall the necessary knowledge then you’re obviously not suited to be an architect, or a king. Not everyone is suited to be king in the same way as not everyone is suited to mathematics. Conversely, a very high standard in a particular trade suggests knowledge of its Forms. The majority of people cannot be educated about the nature of the Forms because the Forms cannot be discovered through education, only recalled.

To explain our relationship to the world of the Forms, in the Republic Plato uses the analogy of people who spend their whole lives living in a cave [see Allegory of the Cave]. All they ever see are shadows on the walls created by their campfire. Compared with the reality of the world of the Forms, real physical objects and events are analogous to being only shadows. Plato also takes the opportunity to use the cave analogy as a political statement. Only the people who have the ability to step out into the sunlight and see (recall) the true reality (the Forms) should rule.

>>15129350
>>15129353
Based Plato. His idea actually makes a lot of sense if you don't take it quite as literally as he intended.

>>15129364
99% of the posters on /sci/ are hylics, they cannot perceive the forms, only the shadows. therefore they are useless in discussions pertaining to what is true and real

>>15129378
I think the sophists made more sense. The greeks believed mankind lived through a golden age before them and their knowledge was communicated to them from that area.
The only science that has objectively and beyond a doubt improved over the past centuries is material science, making better concrete, better steel, better fuel etc.

>>15129364
heraclitus is the most chad old greek

>>15129393
You misspelled Diogenes.

>>15128390
>Redpill me on fractals and why I should give a fuck.
They have some interesting applications.

>>15128390
>Redpill me on fractals and why I should give a fuck.
They're basically EVERYWHERE and in EVERYTHING.
This video does a decent job of explaining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovJcsL7vyrk

you can do some pretty crazy videos with this thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js9SfuniAuQ&list=PLZ5fS7vDXOgji9nN7cNjkPYc7a6YTd4NG

i like this one
https://youtu.be/-BnFWrXYutY

>>15129540
>>15129543
>just wants to see trippy shit
try looking up 4d fractals

>>15128390
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYC9wVRgx5Q

>>15130180
p good

>>15128390
fractals are just a reflection of some shortcomings of arithmetic with its open ended arbitrary nature and infinite divisible precision

>>15131703
hylic response

>>15128438
>Simple rules can still lead to infintely complex behaviors.
Infinite complexity is a form of logical explosion and logical explosion results from contradictions and the origin number is a contradiction (since zero is its own opposite) so the arithmetic system is a logically explosive system resulting in infinite arbitrary trivial values that tend towards complete incoherency by the end where the final number, aleph null, is actually assumed to somehow equal the product of itself repeated indefinitely.

>>15131710
You didn't have the temperament to deeply analyze and assess what I said, so I don't quite understand what you are trying to communicate, but you seem like you just can't defend your assumptions and simply get irate when they are challenged.

I am not interested in any further engagement from your kind, so thanks for making it easy to filter you.

>>15131744
hylic response

>>15128556
Maybe you are just having problems explaining it to the class because you are the stupid one?

>>15129378
You explained the nature of your own post and its uselessness quite well, great job.

>>15131771
seething hylic

>>15131775
>they say while trapped in the same condition they critique

>>15131765
>Maybe you are just having problems explaining it
Maybe you're right. I guess I do find it difficult to explain something so glaringly obvious as the fact that you can't just iterate over something that has no interesting structure, and expect an interesting structure to arise.

>>15131791
I have so much control over your hylic mind you cant stop responding. Watch I will make you respond again

>>15131820
>you can't just iterate over something that has no interesting structure, and expect an interesting structure to arise.
0! = 1

>>15131826
That's nice. And now your meds.

>>15131828
Factorial is an iterative function and applying it to any null structure yields an arbitrary unit of structure. You were clearly wrong in your assertion and I already took my parkinsons meds are a biannual infusion that isn't due for several more months and other than that I have a clean bill of health, but thanks for the concern.

>>15131843
>applying it to any null structure yields...
Yields what? Show me.

>>15131846
I did 0!=1, do you not understand what yields means or how functions work.

>>15131855
Show me what interesting structure you're talking about in your next post. (You won't)

>>15131861
A single unit which is definitely interesting because every other definitive value can be expressed in its terms.

>>15131870
So all you have to show is your raging mental illness. Okay, that's what I thought.

>>15128390
I don't know... Fractals just creep me out, especially since brain starts generating those patterns on DMT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph4szaVTWSY

>>15131872
No, I still have the universal math formula 0!=1 to prove that you were wrong since any arbitrary unit of structure yields from iterative functions applied to null structures and all you have to show is your overactive ad hominem database.

>>15131894
>any arbitrary unit of structure yields from iterative functions applied to null structures
Okay. Now show me the interesting structure of 0!.

>>15131897
show me your bussy

>>15131897
There are many ways to model a unit such as 1 (You) which is why it is such an interesting structure.

>>15131898
Just put your reading glasses on. My asshole is literally rubbing all over your shit-eating faggot whore face.

>>15131905
Thanks for demonstrating why eugenics is rational, moral and necessary.

>>15131907
you take a lot of dick in it too I am sure

>>15131911
Thanks for showing how psychopaths react when clearly proven logically wrong over and over with such unassailable consistency that you have to start calling for death to the infidels.

>>15131913
he has a yeast infection in his bussy

>>15131913
>proven logically wrong over and over
Yes, you've absolutely proven me wrong about how iteration always leads to interesting structures, by screeching "1" over and over again. Your mother should have been sterilized.

>>15131912
I command you to keep posting in this thread and on /sci/ in general, by making any further posts ever, you contractually accept your eternal subservience everyone else on this board in perpetuity.

>>15131917
When did you become such an attention-seeking, feminine little redditor? Did you get castrated? Did they catch you molesting children again?

>>15131924
Respond this this post if you love sucking dick. You scared to death to respond to your intellectual superior

>>15131921
I am not just screeching it though, I am trying to explain how it is mathematically defined as the result of an iterative function on a null value that by definition lacks value specifically any interesting ones while you are illogically screeching about killing people who mathematically proved you wrong.

>>15131928
Your application for eternal subservience and perpetual subhuman status >>15131923 has been accepted.

>>15131934
>it is mathematically defined as the result of an iterative function on a null value
Okay, but does 1 have an interesting structure? Show me the structure of 1.

>>15131824
just because I am a tranny doesnt give you power over me chud

>>15131938
HAHAHAHA told you tranny >>15131941

>>15131939
Being that you are one can I see why you might not think it can be interesting, but units come in many forms, that is what makes them interesting, if you were more precise about which 1 instead of just seething and screeching, you could be provided a better picture of that ones particular structure.

>>15131953
I didn't say 1 wasn't interesting. I just asked you to show me how interesting its structure is, nigger ape. I don't know where the "people" on this board are coming from. Truly nauseating trash. Do "people" like this even exist anywhere in real life? I only ever seem to find these degenerate American public school inbreds on 4chan.

>>15131945
Good, so you accept it is a legit binding contract which means you acknowledge your eternal form of subhumanity and take your rightful position as an eternal mind slave to the hivemind.

>>15131965
Living in your head rent-free. Yours and his. Couple of attention-seeking faggots.

>>15131966
that's what you are

>>15131967
Hush, child rapist.

>>15131968
no you

>>15131974
Why don't you tell everyone again how old are you and why your wife left you, boy lover?

>>15131977
you are a homo no take backs

>>15131958
Yes and I gave you the example of how compelling the structure of 1 (You) is and (You) have kept farming more (You)s from me ever since because (You) obviously find them interesting enough to remain engaged and I can feeding you more (You)s by reiterating nothing again proving (You) wrong again which will likely only further enrage (You) to the point of genocide since now that (You) have called out americans, (You) are clearly just working up towards calling for both continents to be wiping out all because (You) think someone from there unassailably with 100% philosophical, logical, rational, and mathematical precision has proven (You) wrong with robot consistency and precision over and over again.

>>15131986
>I gave you the example
Meds.

>>15131987
Dementia is a hell of a drug when you can't even remember a conversation that just happened. Do they just put you in front of a computer so you don't wander off or is that way too much to remember?

>>15131998
Literally just take your meds.

>>15132000
I literally just told you my med schedule, Al, try to remember more than 30 minutes ago.

>>15132010
You don't tell me your med schedule, chimp. I tell you your med schedule. Take your meds. Now.

>>15132012
In that case, you are practicing medicine without a license which is punishable by up to $10,000 and a year in prison which will fly by for a dementia patient like, but you better turn yourself in if you want to avoid the fines.

>>15132019
> practicing medicine without a license
I'm a licensed tard wrangler and I am once again telling you to take your meds. Don't make me go get the suppository.

>>15132024
Not in my state and if were licensed for anything more than just being a tard in wranglers, you would know that medical licensing is regulated by the individual states.

>>15132037
>Not in my state
Your state is one of psychotic confusion. I am fully authorized to medicate you in your state.

>>15132040
Let's see this license since hiding it would mean you are explicitly practicing medicine without it which probably isn't the only felonies you are into and if this is your third strike, all bets are off over those sentencing guidelines.

>>15132164
>Let's see this license since hiding it would mean you are explicitly practicing medicine without it
Maybe you should tell the men in the white coats about it next time they drag you off to the fluffy relaxation room.

>>15132175
I doubt the nurses who administer my biannual infusions would be able to do anything about some obvious retard in another state practicing medicine without a license, but now that you have publicly admitted it, its just a matter of time before the cyberpolice van you.

>>15129353

>>15132204
Imagine being such a dull and repetitive drone. Guess I'm gonna go. Merely interacting with you reduces others to your level and dehumanizes them.

this thread devolved into unabridged retardation

>>15132227
Rich coming from someone who only repeats ad hominem and hasn't ever once formulated an argument or a congruent thought.

as always only my posts are intelligent and relevant in this thread

>>15128390
the make nifty antennas apparently

>>15128390
fractals are popular because they're pretty to look at when visualised in certain way, I dont think there's much more to it than that
and midwits who claim they are fascinating because of infinite complexity, "they're found all throughout nature bro, there must me something special about them" or anything similar are just usual "I want to look smarter than I really am" hubris consumed idiots
>>15132221
>ha this crude online algorithm says you are stupid
now we are entering REAL midwit teritory
or, dare I say
mid

>>15128390
its pretty cool, you define something simple and it just divides into subparts or congregate into bigger unit.