/sci/ - Science & Math

>compares symptoms to death
low iq b8

>>15116704
irrelevant. germ theory is stupid hoax.

i prefer all-natural covid 19 symptoms myself

>>15116704
Here's some symptoms to symptoms, keep in mind we know the chance of dying (the other main negative outcome for this demographic (including the chronically unhealth) is between 0.0003% and 0.002% (see OP).

After two pfizer jabs a young man has 1.55+5.55 excess events per 100k. After two modern jabs its 1.75+18.39 excess events per 100k.
After infection (which vaxcucks also experience) it is 1.37 excess events per 100k.

>Among males 16 to 24 years of age, the excess number of myocarditis events per 100000 vaccinees in the 28-day risk periods after the first dose of BNT162b2 was 1.55 (95% CI, 0.70-2.39) events and after the second dose was 5.55 (95% CI, 3.70-7.39) events, and it was 1.75 (95% CI, −0.20 to 3.71) events after the first dose of mRNA-1273 and 18.39 (95% CI, 9.05-27.72) events after the second dose
>Excess events of myocarditis were 3.26 (95% CI, 1.90-4.61) events per 100000 individuals with a positive test result among all males, and 1.37 (95% CI, −0.14 to 2.87) events per 100000 individuals with a positive test result among males aged 16 to 24 years
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2791253

>>15116735
>compares percent to per 100k
what the fuck is your problem? compare apples to apples and use the same representation for both stats, fucking faggot.

>>15116771
It's assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that everyone on /sci/ is capable of doing elementary school math without being spoon fed.

>>15116786
then do it.

>>15116721
You'll get them anyway, cattle.

vaccinegate

>>15116771
I'm not comparing % to per 100k. I'm saying if you want symptoms to symptoms to symptoms look at that study which shows them.

>>15116819
>0.0003%
>1.37/100k
>i'm not comparing percentages to 100k
kys

>>15116826
You need to learn to read. I said keep in mind that we know x. Then I said and here it says that y occurs when z and y occurs when a. It's not difficult to follow. If you cannot understand remembering one tangible while assessing two others that isn't my problem. It isn't a comparison.

>>15116832
>doubling down
take the L homie

>>15116835
I hope you didn't get your booster anon

>>15116704
Ummm, sweaty? They had climate anxiety symptoms.

>>15116715
fpbp
also no control group, and chest pain is not exactly what most people think about when they hear "cardiac symptoms"

>>15116797
Are you stupid?

>After two pfizer jabs a young man has 1.55+5.55 excess events per 100k.

>After two modern jabs its 1.75+18.39 excess events per 100k.

>After infection (which vaxcucks also experience) it is 1.37 excess events per 100k.

>>15116930
>also no control group
Why do you need a control group when they did an ECG before and after vaccination?

>>15116704
Their parent's should be held responsible for "vaccinating" their kids. Many did so because they were either
ignorant of science,
lazy and didn't want to homeschool,
sheeple brainwashed by the TV media/government,
or simply evil leftist-Democrats.
Bad parents need to be punished, "Children of the Corn" style. Their children trusted them, and those parent's failed them.

>>15117546
thats hardcore anon

>>15116704
>symptoms
Oh no I had a headache this morning, that means I have brain cancer.

>>15117177
I meant comparison to teens who had cvoid

>>15117594
you might get it if you keep behaving that way towards other people

>>15117546
Lots parents will sacrifice their child's wellbeing in order to virtue signal.

>>15117546
I like this.

>>15118169
Wow, the degree of mental illness most leftists such as the Democrats have is staggering. It is kind of clown world amusing, but also entirely revolting.

>>15116704
That is one concerning study. 17% is crazy high.

>>15119976
Of the fragment of whites that survive the future I'm not sure if they'll be smarter but they'll be a lot less trusting.

>The incidences of subclinical myocarditis and significant arrhythmia were 0.1%

So 10,000 people will suffer heart disease for every 1 million vaccinated, at least.

Isn’t that number consistent with other data?

>>15121168
Sorry it’s 1000 per 1 million, extrapolated
But that’s for younger healthy people, worst case scenario.

>>15116721
theres no covid faggot

>>15121172
>>15121168
I was severally demoralized when people were saying that it's ok because it is actually just one in 100,000 or even one in 1,000,000.

They are actually saying they are fine with young men dying to save the old who are at the point of needing constant medical intervention to live anyway.

>>15121236
But that's not even true. These people are absolutely retarded. The old can only be saved either by being vacinated or taking the necessary measures to prevent infection such as using masks and avoiding crowded places. It's THEIR fucking responsability to look after themselves, not use kids ina scheme that does not OBJECTIVELY save them in any way whatsoever.

The fact that the public and the sane competent people in decisions of power fail to see this simple logic or outright purposely neglect that is what is so worrying.

>>15116721
>natural biological weapon made in a lab
What did eh mean by this?
>>15121173
1 Chinese dollar has been deposited into your account.

>>15121173
Retards like you are why the establishment will always win

>>15116735
It's even worse when you account for the fact that there is a <100% chance of catching covid when unvaxxed whereas you have a 100% chance of exposure to the vaccine side effects if you choose to get vaxxed.

>>15116802
Lmaooo dumbass fucking jabbies

>>15121236
Doctors on this very board told me that about a year ago, "what about the elderly???"

What about them? They'll die and I'll live no matter how many shots they take, get dabbed on

>>15116704
two more weeks

>>15121173
there's no flu, faggot

>>15116715
symptoms are indicative of broad toxicity to heart and vascular systems

>>15116704
Okay I may be retarded but isn't this whole schizo debacle in reality just:
>put all teenagers in a new stressful situation
>force to isolate and do dramatically less physical activity for an extended period of time, remote learning, breathe through shitty dirty masks when outside
>they have breathing/heart problems
>"Oh no, who could've predicted this?"

>>15117740
that sounds prone to selection bias because teens and young children are much less likely to present with covid or covid symptoms. therefore measuring cardiovascular symptoms among "teens who had cvoid" will be among teens that are disproportionately sick compared to the median teen that gets exposed to the virus.

>>15124352
You're correct in believing that you're retarded.

>>15124352
It's that plus injecting a novel medicine into them without giving a fuck to aspirate it, thereby putting it in their bloodstream inadvertently.

>>15116704
Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk,
I'm a pureblood man: no time to talk.
Music loud and women hot,
I ain't never gonna get the shot.

And now it's all right. It's OK.
you took the MRNA.
We ain't gonna understand
The covid vaxx effect on man.

CHORUS
Ooh, there goes another
And there, there drops another,
We're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Feel the fever breakin'
And everybody shakin',
But we're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive.

(i'm just not gonna get it)

Well, now, I get low and you get clott,
We tried to tell ya, but you got the shot.
Got my Ivermectin, horse paste tubes,
Anti-vaxxin' man and I just can't lose.

You know it's all right. It's OK.
I'll live to see another day.
We could try to understand
But you've got necrosis in ya hand.

CHORUS

Lifes goin' nowhere. Nobody help yeh.
Nobody help ya, yeah.
Lifes goin' nowhere. Nobody help ya, yeah.
but we're Stayin' alive.

Oh you can tell by the way the jabbies talk,
NPCs are real: no brain for thought.
Just repeat the current thing
and put untested drugs into their veins

And now it's all right. It's OK.
you took the MRNA.
you're never gonna think about
how you're time is runnin out

CHORUS

Lifes goin' nowhere. Nobody help yeh.
Nobody help ya, yeah.
Lifes goin' nowhere. Nobody help ya, yeah.
but we're Stayin' alive.

another reminder

>>15116704
>In total, 763 students (17.1%) had at least one cardiac symptom after the second vaccine dose, mostly chest pain and palpitations. The depolarization and repolarization parameters (QRS duration and QT interval) decreased significantly after the vaccine with increasing heart rate. Abnormal ECGs were obtained in 51 (1.0%) of the students, of which 1 was diagnosed with mild myocarditis and another 4 were judged to have significant arrhythmia. None of the patients needed to be admitted to hospital and all of these symptoms improved spontaneously. Using these five students as a positive outcome, the sensitivity and specificity of this screening method were 100% and 99.1%, respectively. Conclusion: Cardiac symptoms are common after the second dose of BNT162b2 vaccine, but the incidences of significant arrhythmias and myocarditis are only 0.1%. The serial ECG screening method has high sensitivity and specificity for significant cardiac adverse effect but cost effect needs further discussed. What is Known: • The incidence of cardiac adverse effects was reported to be as high as 1.5 per 10 000 persons after the second dose BNT162b2 COVID-19 vaccine in the young male population based on the reporting system. What is New: • Through this mass ECG screening study after the second dose of BNT162b2 vaccine we found: (1) The depolarization and repolarization parameters (QRS duration and QT interval) decreased significantly after the vaccine with increasing heart rate; (2) the incidence of post-vaccine myocarditis and significant arrhythmia are 0.02% and 0.08%; (3) The serial ECG screening method has high sensitivity and specificity for significant cardiac adverse effect.

I wonder why OP left this out?

>>15125338
what's your point?

>>15125338
meds.

>>15120797
>but they'll be a lot less trusting.
that's a sign of intelligence.

Never trust authority figures.

>>15125197
kek!

>>15125365
>>15125389
>>17% have cardiac symptoms guys!!!
>the incidence of post-vaccine myocarditis and significant arrhythmia are 0.02% and 0.08%;
>None of the patients needed to be admitted to hospital and all of these symptoms improved spontaneously.
Cope.

I unironically love the whole viruses aren't real gimmick and have been posting it a bunch everywhere. Way better than flat earth and also promotes a filter for retards. Same reason why I shill the vaxx lmfao.

>>15116930
Yeah, 17% of teenagers have always had suspicious chest pains.

>>15125467
They did show cardiac symptoms. What do you think that means? That they have completely healed? That there is no chance of that damage from impacting their heart health as they age?

It's safe and effective, I trust the system, experts wouldn't hide stuff from me

>>15125484
>They did show cardiac symptoms. What do you think that means?
NTA but if "heart palpitations" counts as a "cardiac symptom", then I don't think it means much.

>>15125522
>but if
yeah I mean you'd know if you read it but I guess who cares lol (I don't since I'm not vaxxed lmfao)

>>15125538
It's a rhetorical "but if", referencing the fact that OP's pic literally says that right off the bat.

>died suddenly
is this even real or are they memeing us?

>>15125522
>>15125540
Looks like 8.5% had palpitations and 8.9% reported chest pain. Compared with 1.3% and 2.1% respectively before that second dose. Seems reasonably likely to be causal IMO. Writing it off comes down to if you interpret as an event or a potential symptom of something more serious I suppose. Only 1% had significant ECG shift and 1.5 in 1000 had a serious event. Although to be honest, that 1.5 is enough to make a healthy young man think twice about it considering his minimal risk from the virus.

>>15125563
Even if it was "only" 1.5 per 1000, that would imply that we would be killing or permanently maiming millions of young people to save maybe 10-100k boomers (if we accept at face value that the vax does help boomers die less, which isn't necessarily true either).

Is that a choice people would be willing to make on a societal scale if they were honestly informed?

>>15118169
Would you slay your child for God?

>>15125563
>Looks like 8.5% had palpitations and 8.9% reported chest pain
So what? Did they have anything indicating actual damage to the heart? For all I know, the side-effect is just increased anxiety.

>>15116715
>thinks a juxtaposition is a comparison
He's showing a 17% occurrence of heart issues was the "safe and effective" tradeoff to achieve a "95%" effectiveness rate against a sickness that has a microscopic chance of death.
Would you install an antivirus on your computer that is guaranteed to cause some amount of irreversible slowdown 17% of the time to prevent a virus that fries a CPU .0003% of the time (if you even get the virus)?
See what I did there? I didn't make a comparison, I merely juxtaposed two very separate things (slowdown vs CPU destruction) to prompt you to further investigate the issue and decide if the tradeoff is worth the risk.

It's not hard to understand this if you aren't a clotshot zealot trying to invent ways that all vax criticism must be invalid. .

>>15117740
Why would they do that? It's not a harm-benefit analysis And like other anon said teens who get COVID bad enough to notice it are probably going to be the sickly ones with tons of commorbidities and thus they would misrepresent the dangers of COVID to average teens.

>>15125576
I would say the default posture would be concern that a substantial number of high schoolers are experiencing heart issues. "They're probably just nervous, so what!" is a strange defense that has zero evidence to support it. What do you gain from being overly dismissive?

>>15125683
Is there any evidence in this study that those 17% suffered symptoms that are any more serious than the ones you experience during mild anxiety? No? Ok.

>>15125690
>Is there any evidence
The dose-response relationship between heart palpitations and the number of shots administered.

>>15125691
>dose-response relationship
So? You could say the same about anxiety symptoms. I don't get it. Do you have actual mental retardation?

>>15125690
Do you not know how research works?
Just because a follow-up doesn't exist with all of the details that you want doesn't mean that the logical response is to assume an extraordinarily unlikely best-case outcome. If that's actually how you think, I sincerely hope you are as far removed from actual research as a human can be. I was nervous many, many times as a kid. At no point did I get heart palpitations or chest pains.

>>15125698
No actually you could not say the same about anxiety symptoms. But I can see you have no experience with medicine so you should stop wasting smarter people's time.

Isn't this basically exclusively males?
Really puts the way society values men into perspective

>>15125699
>Just because a follow-up doesn't exist with all of the details that you want doesn't mean...
... that you get to assume the symptoms mean anything more than they would in any other context, especially when the same source found no indication of any serious effects.

>>15125702
Honestly, if it was up to me, both you and your science-denying, Pfizer-shilling vaxxoid equivalents would be shot on the spot. Two sides of the same Jewish golem coin. It's time for some serious forced eugenics.

>>15125709
you should cool down bro your little ticker can't handle the stress that well anymore

>>15125707
It didn't find no indication of any serious effects.

>>15125713
Maybe it would be stressful if I still viewed you and the rest of your horde as human or in any way relevant.

>>15125717
Ok, golem. Don't care. Imagine thinking you won't be killed if your handlers are giving their cattle lethal injections.

>>15125707
You are legitimately stupid. What fraction of mild anxiety cases have chest pain or heart palpitations as a symptom? For panic attacks (note: not mild), a quick Google search suggests that 28% of panic attacks have associated chest pains. If 8% of high school students are experiencing these symptoms, that would require 30% of the kids to be having panic attacks to fully explain the chest pains, not including the other cardiac symptoms. That strains credulity. While it's too early to draw hard conclusions, there is plenty of reason for concern.

>>15125729
>What fraction of mild anxiety cases have chest pain or heart palpitations as a symptom?
It's comically common to have Stacy rushed into the ER with "a heckin' heart attack" only for it to go away with 0.5mg of Lorazepam.

>>15125734
Random events are not comparable to 17% of a cohort who were not experiencing any of that pre vaccine (a vaccine they consented to).

>>15125734
Very quantitative. It's comically common for Dunning-Kreuger brainlets to mistake their intuition for meaningful analysis. Is it 1/6 Stacies (male) in high-school that present to the ER having hecking heart attacks? Maybe we went to different schools...

>>15125737
I don't know what your low-grade jewish pilpul is about, but the point still stands that "heart palpitations and chest pains" are not a serious side-effect in and of themselves, considering you can get them from a whole range of mundane meds or even just from working yourself up psychologically, and your source has found no evidence of serious heart complications.

>>15125747
You have a genuinely subhuman level intellect. It's like you and your buddies are completely incapable of abstract thought. It's really weird to watch you argue over and over against points no one made.

oh it's the guy who screams kike and jew over and over but also is 100% against any evidence the vaxxes are bad lmfao. what will the trannies think up next for their disinfo campaigns. denounce the talmud bro! do it I know you won't lmfao

>>15125752
>oh it's the guy who screams kike and jew over and over but also is 100% against any evidence the vaxxes are bad lmfao.
It's nice that you go out of your way to show your willingness to make up imaginary people in your head like a schizophrenic. I am overwhelmingly against vaxxods dismissing actual damning evidence.

>>15125751
cope

>>15125748
Would you expect 17% of any group to get them at the same time? No, you wouldn't. Also keep your anti-Semitism to yourself please.

>>15125755
>doesn't denounce it
also I am a schizo what you going do about it troon you've just entered my safe space I AM PROTECTED I HATE THE ANTICHRIST

>>15125748
The issue is that heart palpitations and chest pains are frequently tied to chronic issues. At the very least it calls into question the idea that we should be vaxxmaxxing kids.

>>15125761
It doens't matter. Even if 100% of them got it, it still wouldn't be a serious side-effect in and of itself. You seem to be actually retarded.

>>15125767
"Dude, I'm not going to the hospital. My arm being numb and chest pain proves nothi-ACK!"

>>15125766
>heart palpitations and chest pains are frequently tied to chronic issues
In the large majority of cases, they're not -- that used to be common medical knowledge prior to COVID clown world.

> At the very least it calls into question the idea that we should be vaxxmaxxing kids.
Fair enough. It would be a small drop in a big bucket. I just don't see why retards keep trying to frame it as some crucial and pivotal finding. In the context of all the other evidence that corporate mRNA injections are bad, it's just another little piece of the puzzle. Without that context, it's unconvincing and the most you can say about it is "they should follow up on that".

>>15125770
Notice how you're forced to keep arguing against imaginary characters in your head like the zogged schizophrenic that you are.

>>15125772
Ethical arguments fall flat on their face with the niggercattle. Scoince that shows that doing the obviously bad thing was likely bad is a pretty big deal imo, even if it isn't outright conclusive on its own.

>>15125777
>Scoince that shows that doing the obviously bad thing was likely bad
I've literally just explained why it doesn't show that it's "likely bad" unless you read it with a preexisting mindset that it's likely bad. If you know nothing else on the subject besides assurances from all official bodies that it's heckin' safe and effective, then all you can take out of this is "maybe bad but probably not", not "likely bad".

>>15125772
>In the large majority of cases, they're not
You mean in normal cases where it comes on seemingly randomly? As in nothing like when 17% get it overnight after a specific event?

>>15125832
Whether 1%, 17%, or 100% get it has no bearing on whether or not it's a serious side-effect. You are literally retarded.

>>15125838
OP doesn't say it's a serious side effect. You claimed it is rarely a symptom of other problems, but neglected to consider that this symptom arose in abnormal conditions.

>>15120797
times like this turn people savage

>the antiva/x/er panic over nothingburger
slightly amusing, but it's getting repetitive.

>>15125844
>OP doesn't say it's a serious side effect
OP doesn't, but you keep shilling it as if it proves something.

>this symptom arose in abnormal conditions.
That has zerobearing on the seriousness of the symptoms and as far as OP's study goes, they found nothing wrong with the overwhelming majority of the people who had the symptoms we're talking about.

>>15125866
>OP doesn't, but you keep shilling it as if it proves something.
No I don't
>That has zerobearing on the seriousness of the symptoms
You don't know that, because it is precisely abnormal conditions that create abnormal outcomes.
>they found nothing wrong with the overwhelming majority of the people who had the symptoms we're talking about.
You mean they didn't find the cause of the problem/symptom? Chest pain is no joke. It may well come back or be symptomatic of a longer term problem.

>>15125869
>You don't know that,
I do know that. You're just too much of an inbred retard to manage basic reasoning and figure out why I say this,

>You mean they didn't find the cause
I mean they didn't find anything wrong with the overwhelming majority of them despite conducting costly, high-senstivity tests. So what is Joe Q. Normie supposed to take out of all this?

>>15125875
>I do know that.
No You don't. You are trying to apply rules from ordinary scenarios in which these symptoms are present to a totally unusual scenario. There is no basis to assume that the same rule applies.
>I mean they didn't find anything wrong with the overwhelming majority of them despite conducting costly, high-senstivity tests. So what is Joe Q. Normie supposed to take out of all this?
I suppose he is supposed to think that it's fine if 17% of a given group have heart problems immediately after taking a vaccine.

>>15125885
>You are trying to apply rules from ordinary scenarios
No. I'm simply telling you that a side-effect doesn't get any more or less serious depending on how frequent it is. No amount of cope is gonna change that.

>I suppose he is supposed to think that it's fine
Why not? They researchers did their best to find something wrong with those people's hearts and they couldn't, and the symptoms usually don't indicate anything serious to begin with.

>>15125894
A side effect from scenario A does not necessarily have the same implications of a side effect from scenario B. This is very obvious.
>Why not? They researchers did their best to find something wrong with those people's hearts and they couldn't
We didn't know why many things were bad for a long time. Chest pain is bad, period.
>the symptoms usually don't indicate anything serious to begin with.
Usually doesn't necessarily matter when the scenario is inherently unusual.

>>15125922
>A side effect from scenario A does not necessarily have the same implications of a side effect from scenario B.
This side-effect doesn't have any necessary implications in any scenario except the one where someone already has a known heart condition. It's really funny to watch you fail to wrap your head around this.

>Chest pain is bad, period.
In young and healthy people, it's usually nothing, and OP's source strongly suggests that in this case it was nothing.

>>15125927
>This side-effect doesn't have any necessary implications in any scenario except the one where someone already has a known heart condition.
In every scenario before the first MRNA vaccine was brought to the market and injected into teenagers, yes, I know that to be generally true.
>In young and healthy people, it's usually nothing, and OP's source strongly suggests that in this case it was nothing.
Usually doesn't necessarily apply to unusual situations. OP's source simply suggests they don't have an explanation for the mechanism behind 17% of the cohort experiencing these symptoms at once, and that the symptoms appeared to go away without serious harm in the immediate aftermath. It does not imply anything more. We'll have to agree to disagree I suppose.

>>15125938
>I know that to be generally true.
Good. There's no evidence that it's any less true in this instance, especially when you test people's hearts to the best of your ability and confirm that this is no exception. You're just mentally ill and hung up on the idea that if an adverse reaction is triggered by something specific, then it's more serious than when it's triggered by some random circumstance.

>>15118169
>that image is 100% unironic

My God...

>>15119976

>>15116716
proof?

>>15126067
proof that you are stupid shill? you are really stupid shill lol

>>15116715
integral(symptoms)=death

>>15125573

>>15116721
>get vaccine
>have gotten COVID twice anyway
>first time lost taste for two months
>second time I was bedstricken for a week

Glad I got that vaccine, though!

>>15126333
i mean u could have just died instead.

>>15116704
this will all be glossed over with some
robust stockholm syndrome

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KuUDZi-qOPU

>>15126391
Those eyes are horrifying.
She even has dilated pupels

>>15126391
I mean it could be, I developed cardiac symptoms after reading too much /sci/ and /pol/ threads, after that I didn't enter the site in weeks and the symptoms disappeared. It could pretty much be collective hysteria as far as I know.

Anyone care to explain why excess deaths of females under the age of 25 has increased so much? I thought it was supposed to be boys who got slaughtered and girls got a free pass.

>>15126492
I've been going around killing them. Thanks for the masks I remain uncaught.

>>15116715
>attempts to use snark as evidence Covid was more of a risk than the vaccine

Low IQ shill. Your suffering will be beyond your comprehension.

>>15116771
>I'm too stupid to do basic math

You're outing yourself. Get a real job.

>>15126410
>after that I didn't enter the site in weeks

We all know that's a lie and this website is your entire life.

>>15126495
Jack the Ripper would have loved COVID.

>>15126492
>slags getting put down for Christmas

Chris is King.

>>15126509
No it's not. I'm real about this shit, same as when COVID started, was watching news all fucking day and started feeling COVID symptoms even though I never leave the house. People are prone to hysteria and that's a fact.

>>15125484
>Doesn't address the discrepancy between the claim and what it implies versus actual incidence of serious adverse reactions
>Doesn't address the fact that all of the students with symptoms recovered spontaneously
>Instead obfuscates by speculating on future negative effects despite having no evidence and ignoring the part of the report which states that their symptoms disappeared
Yeah, I'm thinking it's a waste of time replying to you.

>>15126644
Cope, vaxxshill. Your narrative is falling apart.

>>15125567
>The incidence of cardiac adverse effects was reported to be as high as 1.5 per 10 000
Off by a factor of ten.

>that would imply that we would be killing or permanently maiming millions of young people to save maybe 10-100k boomers
Literally no one died per the study, so I'm not sure why you're conflating cardiac adverse events with dying, plus arrhythmias like afib are far more dangerous when persistent, which wasn't the case here:
>None of the patients needed to be admitted to hospital and all of these symptoms improved spontaneously.

>>15126680
Jew.

>>15125683
Nta but the issue is that by using the word cardiac symptoms, you're implying the presence of serious heart issues when your own study states that the rate of serious adverse events was only 1.5 in 10,000, or less than a thousandth of the implied rate. Obviously you know what you're doing (JAQ'ing off), so this is more for the edification of others than to try and convince you.

>>15126700
Cope.

>>15126646
Still waiting for a counterargument or substantive response.

>>15126702
There is literally nothing wrong with showing a simple-minded normie the 17% figure and letting them think "cardiac symptoms" necessarily implies something life-threatening or permanent damage. But for fuck's sake, if you are dealing with someone a bit more skeptical, instead of dying fruitlessly on that hill, just pile up more damning evidence on top of it to put it in a greater context and make your case more convincing.

>>15126715
It's pretty substantive how much you are hated, and how quickly the number of people who hate you is growing.

>>15126730
Seethe harder faggot.

>>15126751
Sweat harder, parasite. Maybe if they employ a hundred million shills instead of a hundred thousand they can salvage your narrative. lol

>>15126727
You think the cattle on this board are skeptical? Maybe if the claim up for debate is in conflict with their preexisting beliefs, maybe. But since most of sci is antivax, it's not a big leap to assume that most people on this board will interpet it in the simple-minded way.

>>15126762
You are the cattle. You're too dumb for basic reading comprehension, so you engaged your reddit updoot routine prematurely.

>>15126755
>Everyone who disagrees with me is a paid shill!!!
Meds.

>>15126768
Maybe this bot retort would have been believable before it was mainstream knowledge that your handlers employ literal armies of shills specifically targeting platforms like this.

>>15116704
Go back to your containment board, incel.

>>15126772
And here they come: >>15126755

>>15116715
>t.

>>15116704
>another antivaxx thread on sci

YEP. Looks like its schizo time.

>>15118169
>Lots parents will sacrifice their child's wellbeing in order to virtue signal.

>>15126778
>another antivaxx thread on sci

>>15126778
anon please differentiate more. being against spikey modRNA injections is not the same as a classic antivaxx morons. I had many vaccinations when I worked in the medlab, even participated in a study with a novel flu vaccine, defended vaccinations against antivaxxers who even had medical education and who said "HIV came from a lab in the jungle", and still I would never take an vector or mRNA vax.

>>15119976
holy shit. I always just saw the pic of her and the kid with the needle in the arm where she has the demented look on her face. That was bad enough. I didn't know the kid actually died. She killed the kid just to virtue signal on social media.

>>15126819
>She killed the kid just to virtue signal on social media.
Is it any surprise why Democrats/leftists consider abortion to be their greatest "right" of all?
They love to kill their own children. Socialism is a cult.

>>15126778
Mad it's getting in the way of your important 0.999...=1 threads and lusting after Tibees?

>>15127437
He's upset he got the shot and people won't let him forget he's cattle.

>>15126045
Alien eyes. Skinwalkers-Demons.

>>15126388
Is Heaven requiring the jab to get in now?

>>15126492
>why excess deaths of females under the age of 25 has increased so much?
In the UK? Mooooozlims.

>>15126787
>>15126800
>>15126819
>>15127424
>>15127437
>>15127463
>>15127486
meds

>>15126495
yeah i killed three people on the way to work today, ez pickings

>>15126819

>>15127708
>Bad Vaxx congressmen.jpg

meds

>>15127529
>meds
No thanks. Take my share for yourself.

>>15127733
very cool take meds now schizo

>>15126762
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/eci.13947
there are only a handful of studies, in this meta-analysis only eight out of more than 700, that even sufficiently stratified myocarditis incidence to be useful to young men for risk/benefit analysis. 17% reporting cardiovascular symptoms after 2nd dose, however minor, is a signal that the actual risk, long-term, across all potential adverse effects, is probably greater than the disease.
and the vax doesnt even stop you from getting the disease and we've learned impairs your immune system's ability to effectively adapt to the disease.

>>15127743
Take my dose for me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZwsMD0MNlU

>>15127812
you need meds

>>15127814
>you need meds
You do. You have the VAIDs now, vaxxie. You need your quarterly booster. My immune system works fine. I need no drugs. I am strong.

>>15127818
take meds

>>15127821
>>15127812

>>15127822
meds now

>>15127826
>>15127812

>>15127829
very cool take meds now

>>15127830
>>15127812

>>15127832
meds

>>15127836
>>15127812

>>15127839
very cool

meds

>>15127840
>>15127812

glownigger propganda agent intentionally trying to spam the thread to death in order to prevent discussion of the science

>>15127855
Yeah, good point. I will turn my response algo off.

>>15127841
>>15127855
>>15127858
meds

>>15126777
Why is swearing censored?

>>15127864
The anti-vax posters are unironically from reddit.

>>15127855
by this
>>15127858
by the way I mean I will use freewill to stop procedurally responding according to a ordered and finite set of steps to the glowie's own procedural responses. I had begun doing that for entertainment to see how fast I could respond. I got it to 10 seconds from
here
>>15127840
to here
>>15127841
The next would have been faster. Thanks for pulling me out of that loop.

>>15127912
very cool but you still need meds

>>15127912
He's some freakazoid who's mad about people discussing the vaccine. He posted in one of the complaint threads saying that posters should thread-slide by posting "meds" at anyone and everyone.

>>15127935
very cool meds now

>>15127788
does "immune system" even exist? "system" is nothing concrete, it's "something", just like "antibodies". pure schizo phasia, imaginary mechanism like good/bad angels.

>>15126787
uhhh chud that doctor didn't die from the vaccine stop spreading misinformation.

>>15128971
word "vaccine" is disinformation about properties of that liquid

>>15127492
Heaven is not real anon.. i'm sorry to be the one to tell you. I mean, I don't know for sure, because i'm not dead, but it would be pretty cute for anyone else's guess to be as good as mine.

>>15128971
>Dies of undiagnosed heart complications
>But It s not because of the vax
safe and effective

>>15126778
Hey I recognise that guy. Isn't he that doctor that was right about everything? A true hero.

>>15129258
Based and true. Dr. Chud was right again.

>>15121236
>talking to my grandparents about the jab last spring
>yeah I'm not too worried about the virus now that we know young people, especially young healthy people, are essentially unaffected, so I'm just going to wait until there's published data on outcomes of the vaccine in my demographic
>well people our age are worried about the virus anon
>yeah, I'm sure, by all means get your vaccine, I'm glad you guys have that option
>a lot of our friends are worried about catching it from young people
>well, you have been telling me my whole life how worried about my social security I should be, seems like we've finally stumbled upon a solution
>anon that's not funny

>>15124352
>this whole schizo debacle in reality just
What the fuck are you talking about? Significant adverse heart complications from the vaccines were admitted to last year. That it's happening is a mainstream fact, the questions are about to what extent the problem is.

>>15118169
>>15119976
Why is it always white people doing this shit

>>15116704
I shot two Moderna vaxes at nyc and they saved me from covid hell. Cardiac? I'm 30+ heavy smoker, I do runs and cycling rides of such difficulty I could never achieve in my 18's, when I was in prime shape and clean af. Two hour non stop marathon with 1400m perma uphill run, combined with 20k cycling, and this is with tons of cigarettes and beer. I can literally climb Everest, I swim in winter, work out, this all might be because of vaccines, anyway, just a prove vax makes you a superhuman.

>>15129923
shillshit, germ theory is a hoax

>>15126819
Same boat here. Jesus Christ lol. Poor fucking kid.

>>15116715
fpbp

>>15129867
>Why is it always white people doing this shit
Blacks do it too, but aint gots the time to post as many selifes, since they dodging gang shootings and taking non-blurry selfies be hard while high on that crack.

Joking aside, white suburban women are no longer human.

>>15129923
>I shot two Moderna vaxes at nyc and they saved me from covid hell.
You define "hell" as a couple days of a runny nose and 100F low grade fever?
You are in for a rude awakening.

>>15126819
There are tons of cases like this.

>>15130373

>>15116802
3 years gone by, still waiting for this super duper scary virus from Choina to give a Darwin Award for being unvaxxed.

>>15132225
keep waiting

>>15132412
Got fired for not taking the shot and I've just been neeting it the past year. It's been great catching up on a lot of books and vidya that I passed up while waging.
I'll gladly keep waiting.

>>15132755
only shills and utter retards post personal stories being anonymous. you expect people to believe you? believe is religion, not science

>>15132755
>Got fired for not taking the shot
File lawsuit.

>>15116735
>After two modern jabs
as opposed to ancient jabs?

>>15116715
>denying reality this much
Your kind's arrogance and delusion is insane to behold, this truly is the deluge.

>>15116704
When they first admitted to myocarditis they said about 1 in 80000 have it, no it's 1 in 5.