/sci/ - Science & Math

first for hobbit lab

space stations in the 2025-2035 timeline
>iss
>chinese
>axiom
>gateway
>commercial leo station
>designated shitting station
>russian

third for me

>>15119969
>every crew starship

>>15119969
would people visit an Indian station if they got to do it for free?

>>15119969
>designated shitting station
>russian station
My bet is on these two joining forces. Russia needs an international obligation to shame Moscow into funding the stupid thing, and India flat out doesn't have a rocket that can launch a twenty ton station or any serious plans to develop one. An Indian module for ROS launched on an Angara 5 is much more reasonable proposition.

>>15119969
>russian
zero percent chance

>there will be an indian station before any european even tries

>>15119990
probably, but i think it was anatoly zak that posted an update the other day. the station was very modest, maybe 3 modules.

>>15119964
Glass the Earth, demigod war eventually

>>15119990
ROSS is more than sound and well advanced on a technical level, and permanent space presence is important for Russian prestige so it’s just the question of whether Russia can keep a semi functioning tax base over the next 10 years
It’s only up to politics. Everything else guarantees it

Do I buy Juno: New Origins?

>>15120023
>eventually
when?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/spacex/

>>15119964
NASA is funding research for a LOx pipeline on the moon. NIAC selected Lunar Resource Inc's molten oxide electrolysis system for oxygen production for oxidizers and life support.

>Our starting concept is for a 5 km pipeline to transport oxygen gas from an oxygen production source, for example our molten regolith electrolysis (MRE) extraction site or any other source, to an oxygen storage/liquification plant near a lunar base.
>L-SPoP is composed of in-situ manufactured pipe segments that are passivated and welded or fitted together to span the 5 km distance.
>Based on preliminary analysis, we are assuming the in-situ pipe is built in modular segments from in-situ aluminum as its prevalent at the South Pole, is extractable in high purity with MRE, can be directly extruded into pipe shape, and can be oxidized to passivate.
>Other in-situ metals which will also be analyzed for consideration include iron and magnesium, with a lunar glass passivation coating applied through vacuum deposition onto the internal diameter of the pipe.

Sadoway Chads are in control.

https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/2023/Lunar_South_Pole_Oxygen_Pipeline/

>>15120027
>permanent space presence is important for Russian prestige
This is the thing a lot of people seem to be discounting. A manned space program needs a station because there's nothing useful for a crew of cosmonauts to do on a free-flying Soyuz or Orel. Russia's had a destination to send crews to ever since Salyut-1. Without that the Russian manned spaceflight program ends with no real hope of being revived later. That would be a huge blow to Russian pride and I can't see any situation where Moscow just tolerates that happening.

I think Roscosmos has most of the funding it needs for a modest station right now. They just need competent oversight to make sure that budget is spent effectively.

>>15120060
Even if their economy gets completely wrecked?

>>15120063
As long as they dont contract out Russian space station building to another country, external economy dont matter. What matters is local economy.

>>15120063
If their economy hasn't completely collapsed by this point, it's not going to. They'll have a lot of awkward years as they adjust their supply chains, but they had a round of that back in 2014 and still kept going. Despite all of the bluster a year ago they're still finding willing buyers for their natural resource exports. China and India are both still willing to discuss trade with them.

>>15120063
Already been there desu
If they’re not completely internationally isolated they’ll try to scrap some external funding for their space program, would probably be very intermittent but it’ll survive.
And if they are completely isolated then prestige matters even more.

>>15120058
good now lay hvdc line to solar farms on multiple peaks of eternal light for continuous lunar presence.

Next closure tomorrow

>>15120108
nothing will happen, like in the last 9273892 closures

>>15120058
> These oxygen extraction technologies are planned to be demonstrated at large scale on the Moon as early as 2024 and provide direct support to Artemis astronauts as early as 2026.


How? Does nasa have the capability to build a pipeline on the moon with no people by next year?

>>15120112
Never mind I’m a retard they are testing the oxygen extraction technologies by then

zubrin

>>15119964
I'm gonna need more proof that the plasma magnet scales as advertised above lab scale.
I do like the idea however, I hope it works Solar wind shockwave riding to achieve 2% of the speed of light, or better, would be kino.

Why don’t airplanes use sails

>>15120132
Now that you said, could an airship or hot air balloon navigate using sails?

>>15120134
fuck skylon
zeppelin airsail to orbital lightsail when bros

why were all the early artemis landers so big compared to the apollo one? Even accounting for four crew the apollo lander looked like it had much less fuel per pressurized area than the artemis ones

>>15120141
More extreme Delta V requirements, bigger crew, longer stays planned (usually 1-2 weeks in the lander alone)

>>15120141
A lot of post-Apollo lander designs were dead set on using Hydrogen propellant. Low density makes them huger than they ever needed to be.

>>15120142
yeah actually I don't know why I forgot nrho and polar missions

>>15120141
Why were the dinky ascent stages so small compared to the lander? It's a minimally-sized tin can with some balls vs a FUCKHUEG 10 metre wide unit.

>>15120132
https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/82627/why-cant-you-have-sail-powered-airplanes

>the draper lander

>>15120148
Altair and the HLS reference lander were just conceptual designs. I imagine for Altair the descent stage is huge because it’s basically an entire service module to help support four crew for 200+ days in space

>>15119984
No way. India doesn’t give a fuck about anyone but India so they’ll go with whoever is best for them in the moment. The current favouring of Russia is because it is currently expedient

>>15120151
Kek what is that engine bell? Some sort of combined chamber?

>>15120152
oh shit that's actually pretty cool. I remember some of the mars missions from the 90s having the crew stay in the earth return capsule and lander habitat en route, without any other habitat element.

>>15120155
>Air inlet
wut

>>15120160
Air breathing plane to orbit, simple as

>>15120155
you can't just show that and not post study

>>15120168
Typically I would but in this case I pulled it from some random post mack crawford replied to on twitter

>VentureStar was designed for 20 tons to LEO for $44 million per launch
Falcon 9 can do 17 tons to LEO for $50 million per launch
>VentureStar had a goal of flying 40 times per year
Falcon has reached 62 launches in a year

>>15120211
VentureStar Heavy dolphin threesome

>>15120211
Thats just an optimistic price with just pure inflation cost adjustment. Real cost would likely be 2-4x the price. Costing well into 160+ million per launch

>>15120211
Space shuttle was supposed to fly a bazillion times a year for free, how did that go

>>15120211
Falcon 9 cost could go way lower if there was any pressure by other providers.

>>15120211
Mola-mola

>>15120211
>VentureStar was designed for 20 tons to LEO for $44 million per launch

Now adjust that for inflation.

>>15120227
>>15120211
Forgot the extra 4, which makes it a $89M rocket

>>15120211
imagine something like that but elongated triangular wings along the fuselage. you could even break the wing into tiles and fuse it with polymer coated joints so it can handle wind resistance like an actual wing but for space. like a bird evolution of 50 million years from now.

would you trust a fluorine holographic teleporter over a nitrogen rocket? soul question.

>hasn't posted in 2 weeks
I wonder where he is

>>15120132
The g forces are not survivable

>>15120155
looks like a ramjet ...nozzle?
seems kinda heavy. Would that actually save anything, given how fast you'd leave atmosphere anyway?

>>15120268
This is bullshit because
1) it's tumbling from the way the light curve changes
2) if it was a lightsail, and it was tumbling, it wouldn't accelerate as it rounded the sun
3) aliens don't exist

>>15120211
NOOOOOOO........A FULLY REUSABLE SSTO SPACEPLANE IS STILL BETTER THAN FALCON 9 BECAUSE................IT JUST IS OKAY?

>>15120139
Hot air balloons do act as sails, the envelope presents a large cross section and they will go up and down looking for a wind current in the direction they wish to travel.

It gets more interesting with powered airships, as they still act as a sail. But their shape means they typically want to weathervane into the wind. This diminishes your control when going with the wind, but gives you a boost in ground speed. Against the wind you can be slowed to a crawl or worse. Side on to the wind you will have to expend some of your thrust to maintain course to prevent drifting with the wind.

Rockets also experience these forces, however the wind velocity is going to be such a small component of the air velocity during flight you can mostly ignore it. Though it does matter if you have a consistent wind on accent as that could impact your orbit. I would also imagine that wind matters more when. Propulsively landing, as you are much slower and can be pushed off target.

>>15120211
yeah and shuttle was designed to be "low-cost"
somebody here probably knows what the original price goal was

>>15120042
80-100 years is my current estimate

>>15119964
Plasma magnet

kek

>>15120326
lole

>>15120326
I’d be very, very surprised if xi and putin even knew what Starship was. I don’t think it’s on their radar whatsoever. Kek even if some scientists have explained it to them after visiting their country’s launch complex for a photo shoot, I wouldn’t expect them to care

>>15120325

>>15120333
>I wouldn’t expect them to care
50$ theres at least one CCP agent at Tesla, SpaceX, Blue Origin, and all the spacecraft companies that don't have military level security

themis is almost done and you guys are sleeping on it. this could be the french century

>>15120325
>>15120334
This plasma bubble is potentially huge.
Hope it doesn't turn into a bust like M2P2

Space is Soft

LAUNCH THE DAMN ROCKET

Fuck this gay earth and the gay faggots who hold back progress
There should be colonies on Pluto and routine genetic enhancement by now, and the only reason there isn’t is faggots in offices somewhere wringing their hands over “safety” or “ethics”

>>15120363
*silence*

>>15120375
Kill those people

>>15120375
You have to be +18 to post here

>>15120336
ITAR background checks for aerospace companies with DoD contracts are pretty intense and they will ask you questions if they even find you’re friends with a Chinese national (at least in some cases)
T. Knower

>>15120379
Post tits and timestamp or gtfo

>>15119969
Could space stations trade good between each other efficiently? Imagine instead of laughing new cargo rocket you could (temporary) get away with trading resources from your neighbour station.
They could gather together for Christmas Eve or something

>>15120389
i dont think you need much dV to get between stations in the same inclination, but it'll be hard otherwise

SLS basically proved beyond any doubt that night launches suck balls

>>15120363
What the hell was his problem?

>>15120264
That's still way better than the shuttle.

>>15120363
Launch the rocket get going!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_vOhTxrg6s

Berger's law confirms mid-March launch o_O

>>15120418
Scientifically speaking, it cant be better when it doesnt exist in any shape. I could say warp drivers are better than Raptor 2 engines, but its meaningless.

:D

https://youtu.be/S5wRsAYzVmw

Gentlemen. The stars have been read. WE. ARE. GOING.

TWO
MORE
WEEKS

>>15120435
>our king will inaugurate it
Lmao

>>15120436
where the fuck do you think youre going?

>>15120436
TO. DIE.

>>15120446
Ummm source?

We are stardust

>>15120455

>>15120455
Manley started NDT posting. It's over
https://twitter.com/DJSnM/status/1613027265448927233
>Sure there’s the Golden Globes going on right now, handing out awards for movies and TV shows. But did you know that if Earth’s globe was made of gold the surface gravity would be about 3.5 g?

>>15120435
It begins

>>15120436
>Orion dabbing on Starship in the background
Pottery

>>15120464
shut up

>>15120435
What rocket will they use? Are they doing southward polar launches only or have they worked out some agreement with Norway or Finland to fly over their shit?

>>15120211
Starship is designed for 150 tons to LEO for $2 million per launch.

>>15120440
robbaz??

>>15120476
>What rocket will they use?
No orbital rocket as of yet what I know of. Themis will launch from it however this year.
>Are they doing southward polar launches only or have they worked out some agreement with Norway or Finland to fly over their shit?
The later, the only real problem is the whining sami communities in in the area thinking the rockets will upset their reindeers or some shit.

>>15120476
this seems like a terrible place for a launch site lol, but i guess it helps tom mueller make money so whatever

space is boring and there's nothing out there

>>15120492
nothing is something

>>15120485
>>15120490
It's indeed pretty limited as far as launch sites go, the lowest inclination they can launch into is about 68 degrees, meaning they couldn't even reach the ISS without a costly inclination change burn.

>>15120490
Polar orbits are advantageous to launch closer to poles. Discounting actual polar weather, which is pretty mild in Sweden.

>>15120492
magnificent desolation

>>15120496
It will solely be used for small sat polar launches anyway. I doubt we will see much activity from there in all honesty. I reckon it will keep being just a testing bed area for rocket engines and the likes.

But I will definitely drive over and watch a launch whenever an orbital rocket eventually launches from there.

>>15120496
>costly
tom mueller will fix that, trust

>>15120496
I doubt a launch platform built around smallsat launchers going to SSO cares about delivering shit to the ISS wew.

everything europe does feels like bare minimum

>>15120506
Don't cope, it's built around smallsat polar and near polar launches because it's not good for anything else. SpaceX rideshare has already destroyed most of their business opportunity.

>>15120509
Be respectful. We are trying to manage a graceful decline over here.

>>15120512
that's the problem, too much managing

>>15120511
What cope? It was never claimed to be anything else than some small niche platform and cost like 10 million USD to develop.

You underage retards constantly seeking conflicts are tiring.

>>15120512
will you ever develop a fully reusable super heavy lifter? short of that i cant get my penis up

>>15120515
You're the only person seeking conflict here with your autistic defensiveness and cope.

>>15120519
>no u
Ok kid.

IT'S NOT LIKE WE WANTED TO LAUNCH ANYTHING BESIDES SHITTY GOVERNMENT SMALLSATS TO A POLAR ORBIT, BAKA. STOP PICKING A FIGHT WITH US

>>15120525
Why are you so upset lol?

>>15120333
Xi has other things to worry about than technical details of an American rocket, but I would assume he at very least knows about it
Putin probably isn't really aware how ahead USA (SpaceX) is at this point, especially if he had his briefings from fuckwads like Rogozina

>>15120528
>projection
Don't confuse my mockery for discountenance.

>>15120449

>>15119969
>designated shitting station
kek
will based indians broadcast Good Morning messages to every station?

>>15120464
I luv the worm bros

>>15120532
>mockery
So seeking out conflicts.

so in a scale of 10

5 and below being a meme
and
6 and above being plausible

how is the whole mars colonization going
I have no doubts we will visit mars but will we colonize it or is space just too big ?

>>15120565
7 for someday, 3 for within our lifespans.

>>15120160
its a nigger rigged M-1

>>15120560
Or "humor" as it's called to people without severe autism who get offended easily and actually start conflict they claim to be against.

Bad news, Swedish Space Corporation just they said they're suspending operations because you didn't do a good enough job defending them on a scandinavian human reindeer copulation forum. I'm so sorry, if I had known I would have never said what I did.

>>15120440
>Calls himself a king
>Doesn't wear a crown
Lame as hell.

>>15120583
Yeah...
I'm not reading that long ass cope kek.

>>15120411
microwave casseroles

>>15120583
Now this is some prime /sfg/ seethe

>>15120460
Imagine being stuck in a rocketship with that guy

What's the most optimal way to transport a rocket?

>>15120529
>Putin probably isn't really aware how ahead USA (SpaceX) is at this point
Not much Rogozin or Borisov could do to sugarcoat a chart like this

>>15120609
>I totally didn't read those two sentences, bro
I struggle to cope with how much you're coping.

>>15120460
I've seen some interview with Scott and he seems like way more interesting guy that guy that spits some random science facts

>>15120460

>>15120492
until we put something there

>>15120662
The difference is NDT has his epic science communicator persona on all the time. While Manley can get really nerdy.

>>15120498
this

>>15120423
Berger should take more family vacations

>>15120460
Twatter was a mistake.

>>15120498
this

>>15120659
Well, I read it. It's just you seething. Not really worth the read tbqhf.

>>15120685
>>15120704
>168 KB
>241 KB
> same pic
how?

>>15120715
I didn't realize there was a black bar at the bottom of the image, deleted post then cropped and reposted. Thought no one would notice

Inaugurated of Mainland Europe's first orbital spaceport.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5wRsAYzVmw&t=1408s&ab_channel=SwedishSpaceCorporation
Cool!

>>15120738
>Themis delayed to 2024
Guess those first Prometheus firing weren’t as good as expected

Iirc there’s some pretty big mass restriction as esrange

Does anyone have the link to the original uncut 'SLS is real' interview? There is a video version out there https://youtu.be/4ptPdlVAwFg but I want a clean copy.

>With a very lightweight aluminum rocket engine burning a combination of hydrogen peroxide and JP-5, performance in terms of thrust and Isp would be fairly high, and bulk vehicle density would also be quite high. It would, in fact, be just barely possible that this modest target vehicle would be able to attain low Earth orbit with a payload of 10 kilograms… hence the nickname “bricklifter.” Empty weight would be 75 kilograms; light enough to be picked up be two men. Gross weight would be 1500 kilograms; light enough to be carried by a largish pickup truck. And small enough that it could potentially be launched from the back of a smallish pickup truck.
>Included in that 75 kilograms was re-entry shielding to allow the Mockingbird to survive re-entry, landing gear and enough rocket propellant for a soft touchdown. It was, essentially, a minimum-size Delta Clipper.
https://up-ship.com/blog/?p=11056

>>15120806
It is so tiny!

>>15120818
>non-toxic
>hydrogen peroxide
>kerosine
lol

>>15120492
the earth is only like 0.0001% of the total mass of the solar system so there is basically nothing here either

>>15120509
we should reconquer africa to have some better places to launch rockets to be honest

>>15120915
compared to hypergolics thats water from a spring

>>15120409
>What’s the greatest rocket ever made?
Saturn V
>N- no I meant what’s the greatest cargo rocket ever made!
Saturn V

Reminder that SpaceX's declaration of independence from earthly concerns retroactively applies and therefore calling SpaceX a separate entity from the USA is absolutely correct.

>>15120984
Wet/Dry workshops don't count as cargo tho. since it can only be used to launch a particular payload. There never was a generic SV payload adapter.

>>15120638
The sideways and then lift it up at the pad way always made more sense to me, but I'm guessing there's some really good reason for vertical transport.

>>15120638
By boxcar, disassembled.

>>15120638
SELF POWERED

>>15121011
Not yet it doesn't.

>>15121067
>retroactively
>not yet
are you retarded?

>>15121011
SpaceX is and always will be American culturally if not forever legally, and that's the best outcome.

>>15121077
Culturally american doesn't mean shackled to the government of the USA, and that's a good thing

>>15120638
pic rel, dummy

>>15120818
Astra and Vector Space already tried this. No market despite how cool it is. SpaceBee is the only company that can use em.

>>15121093
Yes, that's the point.

>USAF testing Starlink at Kadena Air Base in Okinawa (Largest U.S. military base in the Asia-Pacific region)
https://www.kadena.af.mil/News/Article/3265632/1st-pacaf-unit-connected-to-starlink/
Likely support by inter-satellite laser link.

What sites would you recommend for spaceflight news/updates? Especially any focusing on it from an Engineering perspective.

>>15121141
reddit.com

>>15121141
NasaSpaceFlight

>>15121163
L2**

>>15121141
everydayastronaut.com

Was there any other shuttle launch beside 107 and 27 that had significant TPS damage?

https://parabolicarc.com/2023/01/13/chinese-companies-to-build-commercial-spaceport-on-the-horn-of-africa/
>The Hong Kong Aerospace Technology Group (HKATG) and a Shanghai-based Touchroad International Holdings Group have entered into a memorandum of understanding (MOU) with the government of Djibouti to build a $1 billion commercial spaceport with seven launch pads and three rocket engine test facilities.
belt and road time

>>15121191
Empire of Dust is getting a sequel, nice

>>15121191
Ofc such an investment would have to protected by a Chinese military contingent. Giving them control over the narrow strait leading to Suez.

>>15121218
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djibouti#Foreign_military_presence
>China has, in recent times, stepped up its military presence in Africa, with ongoing plans to secure an even greater military presence in Djibouti specifically. China's presence in Djibouti is tied to strategic ports to ensure the security of Chinese assets. Djibouti's strategic location makes the country prime for an increased military presence.
Oh shit you're right

Most of them are going to fall off during takeoff.

>>15121250
It can zero with zero tiles

>>15121250
What I wonder is how in the fuck the tower catch method isn't going to knock a bunch of tiles off every time.

>>15121250
This general will be in suicide watch when that thing fucking ruds on reentry.

>>15121304
ensuring the existence of oldspace for another century, maybe things like pic related really will come to pass :(

>>15121257
Why would it?

>>15121250
Haven't they said they shouldn't fall of during liftoff? Probably a lot on the static fire, which will be cause of the delays.

>>15121304
Only newfags

>>15121348
Every Starship landing so far has been bouncy, imagine it bouncing once on the chopsticks while it lands. Why wouldn't it knock off tiles?

>>15121304
I figured every one is expecting it to not make reentry the first few times

>>15121378
That was because it was using crush legs landing on completely fixed concrete. The way the chopsticks are built they will have ability to cushion and adjust to the impact.

>>15121378
How do you think the catching will happen? Anyways, I doubt they will try catching starship anytime soon.

>>15121387
Really curious to see it actually work in practice, I've seen the visualizations and get the concept, but it still seems unreal in the same way as lots of vaporware proposals. Unlike those however, the tower exists.
>>15121390
Like this

>>15121390
>Starship/Superheavy comes down
>kills vertical speed
>hovers near tower
>moves over into the chopsticks
>chopsticks close into final position
>Starship slowly lowers down onto them

Getting frosty

>>15121383
Elon said success is not blowing the pad up

>>15121434
Maybe if it launched a years ago I would say so too.

>>15121448
a year*

Will WDR happen before the 33 engine static fire, or after?

>>15121455
Now

>>15121304
A soft water landing would be a fucking miracle for the OFT

Why do so many new launch companies struggle with reaching orbit when Falcon 9 did it on the first try?

Also, is anyone else afraid of Starship OFT-1? I’m terrified of it nuking the pad, hell, even on the 33 engine static fire

>>15121250
>Everyone is really focused the necessary step one of the process but, I an intellectual, am focused on the following step that is entirely conditional on the first step succeeding
Every single person following Starship is going to be exactly as focused on re-entry the second this thing achieves orbit. Once re-entry happens, everyone will be focused on landing and catch. Etc. etc. etc.

When is this mf gonna launch?

>>15121487
33 SF will be a nail biter, though I trust the engineering behind starship

>>15121496
The first two sats were supposed to fly with ABL (lol) but now they’re on Vulcan flight 1

>>15121498
Yeah. I’m at least confident with the Raptor performance we’ve seen on the 10 kilometer hops though.

>>15121496
2 years

>>15121496
Demo sats are flying on the Vulcan demo. They're probably happy they switched off ABL. The Atlas launches may begin this year (imagine buying 9 AV551s commercially lol)

>>15121496
Is there any way for them to achieve required sats in the orbit with current vehicles?

>>15121487
Google falcon 1

>>15121496
>18 Ariane 6 launches
>38 Vulcan launches
>12-25 New Glenn launches
>9 Atlas V launches

>>15121508
Falcon might, depending on how high of a launch cadence they could pull. They have something like 100 launches contracted elsewhere, so they'd need to squeeze maybe 25 launches a year into the manifest. I think they've hinted at preferring FH/SS over F9 though, so I don't know how that would work out then.

>Falcon 9 launching ESA’s Euclid telescope
>Falcon 9 launching ESA’s Hera mission to the asteroid Didymos
>Falcon 9 launching OneWeb
>Falcon 9 launching Cygnus
>Falcon Heavy launching Europa Clipper
How do they do it, bros…Also have some redditor seethe

>Cryotest today, then WDR next week. Destack for 33 engine Static Fire. Final TPS work on Ship 24. Re-stack. Launch License.
Why WDR before 33 engine static fire? Shouldn't it be restack -> WDR -> launch?

>>15121508
Does A6 count as current?
They’re probably getting a good, well subsidised deal from Arianespace. It’s not getting to F9 costs but Costs per satellite may well be less than twice more

>>15121535
They want full-tank WDR data before filling the booster full of propellant and static firing it

>>15121537
A6 is scheduled for Q4 2023, don’t be surprised if it slips to 2024. Vulcan is actually almost done though

>>15121538
So partial prop fill today, then a full WDR?

>>15121543
No idea man. But today isnt the WDR 100%

>>15121543
Cryo > WDR > 33 engine static

>>15121517
Has anyone even seen any Kupier hardware? It's kinda difficult for a rocket to launch a payload that doesn't exist yet.

>>15121540
Q4 of any year is a way of quietly admitting to Q1 or H1 of the next year.

>>15121424
>that rust

>>15121569
It identifies as patina, bigot

>>15121537
>it's considered good for a new commercial launch system from an established industry player to achieve less than twice the cost of F9
How did we get such a based timeline bros. Even without Starship this brutal mogging is hilarious. Say Starship takes another 5 years to get reliable and rapidly reusable, maybe 10 years if you include crew rating and d****s. Will there even be any credible F9 or FHeavy competition by then? How many decades will it take for anyone else to catch up, and who would it be? (inb4 BO)

>>15120044
>>15120038
1970s american space program if the shuttle didnt exist

>>15121590
Chinese rockets can be really good looking when they can actually get good photographers to document them.

>>15120432
>Rosenstein

I was banned from L2 lol

>>15121190
LOL

>>15121605
What did you even do? I warned you about being a pay piggy

>>15121605
you called them soi, didn't you anon?

https://twitter.com/SpaceToday1/status/1613970959404236823
>Last night in Japan an amateur astronomer recorded an asteroid impact with the Moon, the impact occurred in the Mare Frigoris region, really impressive!!!

>>15121581
>>15121586
>>15121589
>>15121590
>>15121600
The Chinese space program is aesthetically excellent, I love it. It's the spaceflight equivalent of Civil War reenactment, it's cool to see 60's tech flying and being documented with modern equipment and hardware. I'll probably never see a Titan II launch, but I can watch footage of LM3 fly in beautiful HD.

>>15120464
Based Orion enjoyer

>>15121641
The LM-2C had its first launch in September 1982, just a few months before Columbia flew STS-5 for the first operational mission of the shuttle program. That coelacanth of a rocket is still flying today, almost completely unchanged. It's unreal.

>>15121641
I unironically hate the aesthetic of the chink rockets. Has none of the charm old rockets had and none of the style modern ones have. Look just like white plastic sticks with random shit latched on to them.

>>15121641
amazing they still send astronauts On a bunch of hydrazine

>>15121633
what are the implications for future moon bases

>>15121691
Micrometeor shielding is a must. Nothing that wasn't already known.

>>15121487
Why did they have to make her look so old? It completely ruined my boner

>>15121697
cool it with the noncery

>>15121517
>12-25 New Glenn launches
kek

>>15121697
you sure do seem to like talkng about your dick, you must masturbate frequently. what is it with people who pracitce self love, why are they always talking and bragging about their disgusting shameful masturbation habits? why do they presume that others want to hear about their perversions?

>>15121517
They need to launch half of the sats by 2026.

>>15121533
>prototypes built with the expectation they will crash/explode proves my point that the program will never work

lmao, no wonder he's an SLS fan, if that happened to SLS it would be over

Why didn't SpaceX make Starship out of 314 stainless steel? It seems to have about the same mechanical properties while having better thermal properties
https://www.makeitfrom.com/compare/AISI-304-S30400-Stainless-Steel/AISI-314-S31400-Stainless-Steel

>>15121591
You'd see something like fully reusable hypersonic airlaunch TSTO as the "responsive, dedicated launch" option, and I think ULA will EVENTUALLY go full reusability because otherwise they'd be completely non competitive, but they'll go into it kicking and screaming.

>solar sail
>electric sail
>plasma magnetic sail
>dynamic wind soaring plasma magnetic sail
It gets even nuttier
>aerographite pellet dispensing dynamic wind soaring plasma magnetic sail
>~15%c possible

https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2023/01/aerographite-released-near-the-sun-accelerate-to-over-2-of-lightspeed.html

>>15121581
me after eating beans

>>15121559
that's more stuff than they've done in the past 6 months. No way the launch is in a few weeks

>>15121742
they did it differently than you would have because they are successful professionals and you are a soi cuck failure that basking in self flattering dunning kruegerist delusions of grandiosity.
thats why noone would ever bother do things your way and why nobody cares to hear your opinion

>>15121577
>stainless steel
>stains
btw this wouldn't have happened with 314

>>15121751
Fuck meant 5%c not 15

>>15121756
It's stainless, not rustless.

>>15121735
What fraction of the sats do the launches in the post you responded to account for?

>>15121605
how come

>>15121677
Looks horrible
No wonder they randomly fall off

>>15121754
Kill yourself subhuman, completely unironically. Don't care how many layers of irony you post under.

it's fucking over

>>15121764

>>15121748
I think ULA is fade away before that happens. Right now any new research or development needs to be signed off on by both Boeing and Lockheed, and both of those would prefer to have 100% of the rights to a new reusable launch system. Blue Origin is (very slowly) continuing work on New Glenn, Rocket Lab is doing engine testing for Neutron, and Northrop is probably cooking up plans to turn Beta into another Falcon 9 lookalike. ULA is in a three legged race with a partner they really dislike going against people who are all running solo.

>>15121742
>Pulling out room temperature comparisons for a rocket that's mechanically stressed at ~70K
Nice one.

>>15121784
Correct overall, though their current partnership hedges their bets for NSSL contracts like they're doing right now with the National Team, and I think they'd rather stay that way.

>>15121694
I wonder if avoiding EVAs during heavy meteor showers might be good policy. A fleck will just burn up in Earths atmosphere but might wreck a pressure suit.

https://twitter.com/ulalaunch/status/1613932340828409865?s=61&t=hllEJb9RW4CFsO-YWfVVAw

>>15121605
that's what you get for spilling the beans to us

We are going!

>>15121858
ula about to dunk crush and smash starship!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zePkPnS-NEo

>>15121949
25 more hours!

>>15121702
I'm not asking she look like a child just not an old woman and a teenager at the same time

>>15121988
The character's face is based on the actress.

>>15121959
wow Japan demolishing blasting trashing China

>>15121011
SpaceX === Mars?

>>15122022
>no crossfeed

>>15121959
>japanese astronaut on lunar surface confirmed
bros...it's happening

>>15122032
CHINA SEETHING

Falcon Heavy tomorrow

>>15122034
finally, it's been some long 6 months

>>15121959
>peaceful
space force literally exists

>>15122032
Wonder what the order of non-american astronaut will be

Japan will be first 100%, then it's probably going to be a german one, but after it's going to be interesting

What do they do if the second Russian capsule fucks up?

>>15122060
barrel roll

almost there frens

>The signing and visit come on the heels of a November 2022 agreement by NASA and the Government of Japan outlining further contributions by Japan to Gateway, a key component of the agency’s Artemis missions for long-term lunar exploration.
>Both agreements are important results of President Joe Biden’s May 2022 visit to Japan.
thank you joe biden

>>15122074
Fuck off

>>15122079
no

>>15122076
They should make their own space station.

>>15122079
Seethoid

Crewed dreamchaser may have windows after all

https://twitter.com/systems_zero/status/1614029691907620867?s=46&t=Vm9fSmvG_JQQVqJiwY7hRA

>>15122101
Still doesn't look as sexy as the prototype they have now;

>>15120638
Self-powered, horizontally along the road.

24 more hours

>>15120638
airdrop

>>15122101
I don't hate it, but why it's no longer based on HL-20?

>>15122122
because the uncrewed version has to look like it's crewed and vice versa

looks like the space arms race is what will initiate Kessler syndrome

>>15122101
Note that this is completely different than cargo DC so if they are serious we can expect it NET 2040

>>15122137
I hate Boing so much it's unreal

>>15122139
I like this. It's silly, but I like it. I hope you succeed, silly Spanish balloon rocket.

>>15122101
Still would prefer this over designing a whole different spacecraft

What would a Titan spacesuit look like

https://twitter.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1614050743354363905/photo/1

Oh mah gah

>>15122101
Windows are nice, you can see the pretty stars

According to Eric Berger, Electron is demand limited and not supply limited. RocketLab could fly 2-3X as many of them if there was demand.

Also holy shit kino alert

>>15122197
9/11

NEVER
FORGET

>>15122268
methalox can't melt stainless steel

>>15122213
>literally glowing outline due to extreme hdr

>>15122213
Peter Beck has said so himself, at least to the first sentence.

>>15122213
Red White Blue

>>15122289
Transporter missions really fucked them, didnt they?

>>15122213
>nic ansuini

>>15121517
>12-25 New Glenn launches

>>15122358
>that pic
lmao, based Republic of the Niger

>>15121999
former owner of 4chan

>>15122213
aka their price is too high so falcon is taking their customers. sucks to suck

>>15122213
please stop posting this guy

>>15122213
great photo nic

Does anyone have that leaked starbase picture where there was 2 towers and there was blue LEDs everywhere? It was som internal pic that got leaked. Saw it on Reddit but I can’t seem to find it

>Saw it on Reddit
You should go back there

>>15122396

>>15122396
SpaceX office video:
https://youtu.be/-Oox2w5sMcA?t=26

>>15122395
Wow he's so handsome

https://spacenews.com/nsf-and-spacex-reach-agreement-to-reduce-starlink-effects-on-astronomy/
>NSF and SpaceX reach agreement to reduce Starlink effects on astronomy
>NSF, which funds operations of several major observatories, announced Jan. 10 that is had completed an astronomy coordination agreement with SpaceX regarding its Gen2 Starlink constellation. That coordination agreement was a condition of the Gen2 FCC license, said Richard Green, an astronomer at the University of Arizona who has led efforts to address how satellite constellations could interfere with astronomy.
>One organization, though, is going to court to block Starlink’s deployment. The International Dark-Sky Association (IDA) filed an appeal of FCC’s order licensing the Starlink Gen 2 system with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Dec. 29. Given the size of Starlink and other planned constellations by other companies, “it is critical that federal agencies responsible for making decisions on the future of the night sky – an essential element of the human environment – follow existing laws.”
>The basis for its appeal is that the FCC violated the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) by awarding the license. The FCC stated in its order that it concluded an environmental review under NEPA for Starlink’s effects on astronomy was not warranted because SpaceX’s mitigation efforts were sufficient.
see you in court musk boy

>>15122395
>>15122407
looks exactly like the kinda guy who'd be aesthetically retarded enough to not notice the eyesore of color boost maxxxing his images.

>>15122410
Saturation? 100% This is fucking amazing!

>>15122139
that looks retarded
is that toroidal thing a combustion chamber or a tank?

>>15122409
The Trumpian courts will strike this down

>>15122213
dont post pics by this fag please

>>15122424
It's the top three stages of a four stage rocket. The first stage is a balloon that lifts the rest of it up to 30 km before ignition.

>>15122409
If they like the night sky so much this should just give them more motivation to expand outwards into the darker regions of the solar system.

>>15122425
Any court will. The FCC is sure to have abided by every law and documented it all meticulously.

>>15122401
starhopper is vibing in that pic

>>15122430
that looks very complicated, non-reusable
whats the point?

It’s going to be a tight year isn’t it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_in_spaceflight?wprov=sfti1

>>15122430
yeah this doesnt look expensive to manufacture at all

>>15122432
They must be those kind of people that think the universe should be untouched and kept pristine, therefore humans ever venturing outside this planet is bad. Another group of misanthropists.

>>15122436
The point is satisfying some retarded desire for a certain aesthetic and trying to justify it with contrived arguments without ever weighing the holistic performance of the system against alternatives.
It's exactly the same place spaceplane, SSTO, spinlaunch and other faggotry is coming from.
They are lying to themselves about why they want to do it because it's embarassing that they are redditsois whose most important concern is that it's "kino"

>>15122438
I don't see a New Zealand flag in that list.

>>15122450
a Rube Goldberg machine in rocket form

>>15122436
>non-reusable
Yes

>very complicated
Not really. High altitude weather balloons are a pretty well understood technology at this point. The engines are all pressure fed and the largest are only 15 kN designs, so the propulsion is on the easier side of things. Launching from up in the stratosphere means you don't need to worry about having surface and vacuum optimized engines. It's a clever way to do an air launched rocket that doesn't risk human crew on a carrier aircraft or require you to spend millions designing some kind of drone launch vehicle.

Unfortunately, the last anyone seems to have heard from Zero2Infinity was a test flight back in 2017, during which they acknowledged that they were having trouble raising money and were planning to focus on their weather balloon projects since those actually brought in revenue.

>>15122456
whats the payload? cost?

>>15122464
don't worry about that sweaty. toroidal pressure vessels are extremely cheap and easy to build.

>>15122464
They were planning on 140 kg to LEO and 75 kg to SSO. I don't think they got far enough along in development to make any serious statements on price.

>>15122477
lmao

>>15122450
Spaceplanes have more utility than capsules

>>15122484
>more utility
nicely contrived argument redditsoi.
now about that $/kg to LEO...

>"Artemis III will be one of the most complex undertakings of engineering and human ingenuity in the history of deep space exploration to date."
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/artemis-iii

CAN'T FUCKING WAIT FOR ARTEMIS III

>>15122482
People are just starting to understand that it's hard to make a business case for a rocket that can't lift at least a ton to LEO. Back in 2017 EVERYONE thought that they could make a billion dollars doing individual launches for smallsat constellations.

>>15122488
2027 is going to be such an exciting year.

>>15122488
Starship demo landing that necessarily comes first is already going to blow everything out of the water.
50 meter tall 300+ tons (with propellant) big dick fucking rocket soft landed on the moon.

space anime

>>15122501
How about this?

>>15122501
Gunbuster, an 80s anime produced by Gainax and directed by Hideaki Anno, the same guy who would later on make Neon Genesis Evangelion. It's only 6 episodes long, though it's top notch in my opinion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4ySBWtH2ac

>>15122501
moonlight mile

Oh no how horrible what a disaster

>>15122515
ABL out there doing God's work

Fusionbros are we winning? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1vyMcqiVtA

>>15122525
Yes and the field reverse configuration can be modified into a fusion drive for interplanetary propulsion (Princeton field reversed configuration)

>>15122525
>new helion content
we're so back

>>15122525
this guy sounds pretty autistic

>>15122542
>autistic CEO
net fusion in two weeks confirmed

40% LARGER

OPTIANLLY MANNED

DC-200

>>15122545
This thing is gonna be like 50m in length (current length of DC+Shooting Star), fitting all this into a single hull

>>15122552
>50m in length
so bigger than starship? seems to have a bigger girth to length ratio than it does

>>15122552
>>15122554
Wait you're lying current dream chaser is 9 meters long. 40% bigger doesn't make 50
>:((((

>>15122556
>>15122554
uh I think I meant 15m

>>15122526
I really don't understand. How could they solve fusion so hard that they opt for Helium-3 to reduce neutrons. Why doesn't every use FRCs then?

>>15122562
chasing the tokamak or stellarator meme, the fucken primitive boil steam, turn turbine, generate electricity meme, FRC's don't deal with that shit

>>15122562
I might have misheard but he talked about not needing to achieve ignition, but I mean if that means fusion then its a bit weird
for some reason they also need lower temperatures due to higher mean magnetic field strength

>>15122571
eletricity is also captured through direct induction and not indirectly through heating like >>15122566 said

>>15122566
>>15122572
It's not about that though the power generation is secondary.
He just says that FRCs have a high beta factor as opposed to other fusion plasmas and then does the most basic bitch calculation to show that they fuse so good that D-He3 is worth considering.
There must be some nontrivial reason they're the only ones doing it because they're not the first to study FRCs and any physicist working on any fusion is sure to have done that exact calculation.
It would be such an bewilderingly obvious solution to the supposed 50 year hard problem of fusion power.

>>15122526
>field reverse configuration
This really sounds like some star trek technobullshit

>>15122574
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field-reversed_configuration#Spacecraft_propulsion

DC-200 is so sexy

They hope to fly this configuration in 2025

https://aviationweek.com/aerospace/commercial-space/pictures-inside-sierra-spaces-dream-chaser-factory

>>15122573
Plasma physics has a lot of surprises. Until you build the device you can't really predict what it will do. Maybe fusion isn't that hard after all.

>>15122578
Sierra Space should've won COTS over Boing

>>15122578
>in 2025
okay now that's a bit delusional bud

>>15122580
Not winning's only slowed Sierra down. It hasn't killed them.

https://spacenews.com/boeings-starliner-charges-approach-900-million/
>Boeing announced Oct. 26 it will take yet another charge against earnings because of delays in the CST-100 Starliner commercial crew program, bringing the total losses recorded by the company to date on the program to nearly $900 million.

Winning hasn't seemed to help Boeing very much.

>>15122589
OH MY GOD ALMOST A BILLION

>>15122587
late 2025 it says

>>15122591
Yes distract from the Shartship money sink muskrat

>>15120565
Three fiddy

>>15122589
must suck to suck

>>15120565
>will we colonize it or is space just too big ?
don't let retardposters get in your head. the six month travel time is a negligible concern when considering the feasibility of colonization.
now as to your question it'll be extremely hard. i give it a 6 i guess.
i believe we should focus on building research bases and then start picking off the low hanging ISRU fruit aka the ones that are financially most sensible.
that is everything high mass and low production cost. you're basically looking for things where the ratio between product mass and production line for product mass is highest.
what you call colonization is then just semantics over a continuous ratio of import and ISRU that is directly affected by $/kg soft landed (which is by the way not strongly correlated to the distance)

>>15121707
>Imagine being part of a megacorporation and being publicly humiliated by a gay kid
roflmao

>>15122609
>>15121707
That kid's days are numbered.

>>15122591
>almost a billion dollars so far!

>>15122488
>two person surface crew

>>15122501
WINGS OF HONNEAMISE : ROYAL SPACE FORCE

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WO90L3hkp3s

>>15122607
also it's a bootstrapping process so you need to account as much as you can for the opportunity cost of specialized tooling you bring to mars.
a more general machine might be slower at producing a certain required good and weigh more but may facilitate in situ construction of new tooling and thus might be preferable to a more efficient specialized machine that couldn't be used for that purpose.

>>15122573
The FRC was first observed in laboratories in the late 1950s during theta pinch experiments with a reversed background magnetic field.[2]