/sci/ - Science & Math

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>View from the recovery vessel as Dragon returned to Earth

>>15116218
When SS launch

>>15116306
Soon.
E

>>15116218
From the thumbnail I thought this was going to be a good picture for once, but upon opening it I see that Assuini has struck again. Damn I'm hardly even an amateur photographer but his photos are always so full of issues. Overexposed and oversaturated, making textures look totally fake. Notice the clipping of light areas, such as the pipes by the tank farm, all the way to white. Notice the halo effect around everything, a common indicator of excessive messing around with levels in Photoshop. Notice the unbearably bright red of the equipment in the lower left, saturation slider is dragged to the max. Another color-tampering indicator is the bluish/greenish edges of the shadows, he probably adjusted the curves for different colors independently, causing even more trippy effects. Also, his crop job is probably not the best, I'd have left a little breathing room below the base of the OLIT&OLM, but I don't know that much about composition. On the whole, another masterful example of what not to do.

OOOOOHHH FUCK I'M FUCKIN STACCING
I HOPE IT NEVER LAUNCHES SO IT CAN STACC MORE

https://youtu.be/ZLsX9WUdYnU

What’s the state of the Russian space program now? Their only customers will be what, Iran and some African countries

Dvach is still delusional these days

>>15116319

>>15116336
Destack?

>>15116345
Nah just random pic

>>15116332
They are in a pretty pathetic looking state, but the fact that they're holding up as well as they are under their current sanctions is an impressive feat on its own. They lost all of their share in the commercial launch market and their overall launch rate held steady for 2022 regardless. They're also selling RD-191s to India. Right now it's only half the amount of the old Antares engine contract but that could easily grow if India is able to increase their GSLV-4 cadence.

>>15116350
Damn this is what a pic should look like. Almost as if it was taken by my eyeball

If the Chinese copy anything it should be TKS

Are there any updates on DRACO? NASA and DARPA are supposed to test nuclear propulsion I’m space in 2025 or 2026

Themis (French Grasshopper, Arianegroups/Arianeworks/CNES/ONERA/ESA) has arrived in Esrange, sweden.

>>15116401
Can't see any legs

>>15116401
It will blow up or at the very least fail to land

>>15116331
>I will not die a monster

I miss bigelowe bros

>>15116441
I'll always think fondly of them due to that period where they were the only private spaceflight company actually doing anything

>>15116441
His only mistake was not making a rocket

https://twitter.com/navcanada
Sus.

>>15116441
Why can't it be real /sfg/? ;_;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcJFisMZj2s

>>15116500
> born too late to capture the space race zeitgeist
> born too early for the commercialisation era
now he's just living in an inflatable out in the Arizona desert high on peyote

>>15116498
There has been a fairly significant cyberwar going on in the world for the last few years and I don't understand how it doesn't get more attention

>>15116441
Because of Bigelow, I thought that inflatables was the only solution for the foreseeable future in regards to space base habitat. But because of Star Ship, I realize that you can just weld and bend materials with the low cost of launching them into space.

No post on Relativity's first attempt?
https://twitter.com/ablspacesystems/status/1612960044257247236

>As expected in this scenario, there is damage to the launch facility. All personnel are safe, and fires have subsided. We'll plan our return to flight after investigations are complete. Thanks to our stakeholders and the space community for the expressions of support.

>>15116515
This is a big advantage of flying out of Kodiak. 90% of the launch pad is a concrete slab in the middle of a Grizzly infested wilderness, and the rest of the GSE was designed to be packed up into a shipping container after the launch was over. Rebuilding this is going to be a lot easier than a comparable incident at Starbase or the Cape.

>>15116319
Posting Assuini picutres should be banned

>>15116509

>>15116508
US Rules Out Cyberattack As Flights Grounded

>>15116552
Unironically oldspace concept. The best way to make a station is to literally connect a bunch of cylinders made of several mm thick stainless steel

>>15116565
Oh good news, the US government has never lied and have been proven to be trustworthy time and time again

>>15116571
Honestly if they lied I'd expect the lie to be that Russians hacked it

https://www.space.com/jupiter-mission-juno-recovers-memory-glitch?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_content=space.com
Scientists are finally downloading images of Io

>>15116570
Or maybe a cylinder inside a cylinder that extends telescopically once in space.

>>15116552
What I don’t understand is how do you pressurize it when it is complete? And how do you fill up the interior space?

>>15116586
1 mile-radius earth cylinder that telescopes up straight to the Moon when bros

Sending space tourists up in a comfy capsule makes more sense than making them board a proper space station

>>15116454

>>15116572
They probably know who did it and how they did it but don't want those that did it to know they know, pretty normal intelligence procedures. They tell the public it wasn't a cyber attack so their counter Intel operation isn't comprised.

>>15116605
They should use this as a grounds for total nuclear annihilation of the enemy. If you inconvenience America you deserve genocide.

>>15116610
Nuclear war is bad for business. This war has been a cash cow for US weapons manufacturers so why would they want to end it so soon.

>>15116511
Any videos of the failure, I'm interested to compare it to Astra's horizontal launch

>>15115253
But do you have enough good boy points to afford the tendies?

>>15115529
Not if you are a latin american thirdie like me apparently.

>>15115946
Can't they just use those cheap month-long lunar trajectories to supply Gateway?

>>15116605
them saying x did it doesn't mean anything either(as it could be a lie). I don't see how that would influence their counter intelligence operation

I'm going down the rabbit hole of glowie spy sats. Apparently they have stealth technology capable of faking the death of the satellite by hiding it from radar and direct view, and some people say this is what happened to the secret Zuma satellite a couple years ago.
A bunch of satellite watchers have been able to track some of them for a while before seeing them dessapear again.

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1613276188092542977

haven't seen this reason yet, is this new?

>>15116635
Can't you just detect satellite with a higher one?

>>15116641
not if you are the highest

>>15116627
There is no reason reveal that x did it unless you plan a public retaliation and a public retaliation could compromise alot of clandestine operations. As well the US has stated that cyber attacks are grounds for conventional war, they don't want a conventional war, so if they reveal who attacked them and they don't declare war, they appear weak.

>>15116635
Funny a few threads ago I asked if it was possible to make a satellite stealthy. At first it seemed hard but now I think It's quite possible to hide one in visible/radar at least from observations from Earth. But yeah it's possible only it still needs to have solar panels and radiators on the space facing side. The one on your pic could still be visible when it's low on the horizon

>>15116645
>As well the US has stated that cyber attacks are grounds for conventional war, they don't want a conventional war
makes sense. Do you know any books on this topic

>>15116594
>how do you pressurize it when it is complete?
With compressed air?
>And how do you fill up the interior space?
Oh gee, I dunno, maybe they'll send up someone trained in Feng Shui to figure this one out?

>>15116650
Tom Clancy

missed a few days, what's next on the agenda for starship testing

>>15116635
> make a patent to try fool the bugmen
do Americans really?
at the very least these things would be covered in vantablack

>>15116635
They can still be tracked by looking at the shadow they cast and potentially the stars they eclipse

>>15116332
>Brazil and South Africa somehow aligning with Russia right now
lol
lmao even
Even in the space sector, this is not happening - they literally do not have anything to gain, and they will lose more than what they could possibly get from that.

>>15116647
I think it's very difficult to hide it at all times, but the idea is to hide it for periods of time long enough to confuse trackers (while at the same time changing orbits) or avoid ground stations from enemy countries from noticing.
Big stealth satellite programs don't seem to be a thing today, but probably because they have shifted to smaller, less capable but more numerous swarms of satellites.
This article is pretty good at explaining all this stuff:
https://satelliteobservation.net/2018/03/08/contested-space-ii-countermeasures/

Attacking enemy satellites with satellites should not be considered an act of war. It would clean up the orbits real quick

>>15116668
drones get shot down all the time, warships get sunk, infrastructure gets hacked, etc. taking out a satellite wont be any different.

>>15116663
>Brazil and South Africa somehow aligning with Russia right now
Both left and right wing major politicians in Brazil were somewhat aligned with Russia, for different reasons of course.

>>15116635
That's pretty interesting, in theory would the shield being deployed interfere with the satellites functionality? Aswell with what you said about the amateur observers tracking it again, I wonder how many times it can deploy then retract the shield

>>15116673
not him but I do think it would interfere with the operation of the satellite as it would be harder to take pictures of Earth while having that cone facing down. It they could probably deploy it many times as it doesn't take a high pressure to blow up a balloon in space although maybe they never retract it and just rotate the spacecraft

cubesats deserve what they get

Say you're in the Launch Control Center at KSC. Where would you want to visit? Besides the obvious firing rooms.

>>15116694
Low Earth Orbit

>>15116691
THATS NO MOON

New Chinese rocket designs just dropped.

>>15116552
I like the concept in principle, hexagons are good for utilising fairing volume, electron beam welding is ideal
but sphere is only good for 0g
torus is a better shape for a station
>>15116570
you are wrong.
Bare steel tube is practically useless on its own as a space station.
you will need hundreds of extra manhours to make it actually liveable workspace.
Now tell me which labourer is cheaper? 1 Earther or 1 Astronaut?
if 95% of it can be pre-assembled in air-conditioned factory, it's pointless to do it on EVA in clumsy mittens

>>15116672
They only did not decide to go much to one side, but none of them will take anything of Russia's side if pressure comes to bear.
Brazil even had a lengthy launcher joint company with Ukraine for a decade, it resulted in a gigantic failure after 2014, but still.

>>15116711
so you would rather assemble the pressure vessel in orbit and then make it a liveable workspace in orbit?

>>15116698
We are only going to the Moon, sorry.

>>15116689
Shut up earther. Our cubekillsats WILL cheaply take us out of this rock.

>>15116664
Thanks for sharing, that was an interesting read. Lots of good diagrams aswell

>>15116664
Thanks for sharing that article, very interesting read. Lots of good illustrations aswell

>>15116719
yeah
the individual panels can have stuff already mounted on them
you just snap it together with some sort of canadarm, weld it robotically and fill it up with air from a tank
astronauts can then connect the cables/pipes machines spread around several panels to make it 100% operational

starting from scratch with just plain metal is silly

Can you imagine if social media was around when OTRAG was doing its thing? They had enough bullshit with the press as it was then.

>>15116758
WWII was still a recent past back then. Germany is now viewed as beacon of social democracy and pacifism (for good and bad)
You don't see people claiming RFA or Isar are building V-2 anywhere.

>>15116691
That's no moon.

>>15116744
ISRU in space and manufacturing is going to have to be figured out at some point

>>15116441
my favorite /x/ poster schizo billionaire

>>15116711
I'm almost sure you can't make a torus shape out of identical tiles. The inner ones will need increasingly smaller tiles.

>>15116691
THEY FLY NOW

>>15116799
interesting tiling problem

>>15116799
That's the neat part
You can utilize conical fairing with smaller hexagons sitting on top of the stack
>>15116789
Eventually, sure.

https://youtu.be/FbXbx-lE-EY
:)

>>15116811
But you can see right in that image that the hexagons are bent. You'd need either bent tiles or multiple types of tiles (like the pentagons in the sphere proposal).

https://twitter.com/NASAExoplanets/status/1613293284666888236
>Webb not only confirms a planet candidate found by NASA’s TESS space telescope, it provides new science, determining the planet is rocky. We also get preliminary atmospheric info.
>LHS 475 b is relatively close, at only 41 light-years away, in the constellation Octans. We don’t yet know *if* it has an atmosphere, but Webb was already able to rule out a thick atmosphere. The telescope will study this planet this summer to tell us more!
I hope those observations will finally give a conclusion on if red dwarf planets can have atmospheres or not, and to if we should keep bothering with them for life search or not.

>>15116844
>but Webb was already able to rule out a thick atmosphere.
:/
Personally I'm a bit pessimistic about red dwarfs but at the moment most planets we know are around red dwarfs since TESS is build to study planets with shorter periods, PLATO however will be able to detect planets around full sequence stars

>>15116851
Exoplanet science is growing at a very fast rate, I'm hoping the observation capabilities will become very advanced still during our life time.

>>15116862
you bet

best looking rocket I ever saw

>>15116862
I'm waiting for this big boy.

>>15116879
So am I :^)

>>15116894
You will do nothing, pussy :)

>>15116879
I want so much direct pictures of Proxima b. Is it possible to do spectral research of direct imagable planets or is it just a thing for transit planets?

If we were to find life in the universe, what would we even do? We would never be able to reach each other

>>15116916
Find a way to kill it

>>15116694
>Kerbal Space Center
:D

>>15116701
what're they calling those middle two, the eagle 9 and eagle heavy?

>>15116922
wouldn't we need like a huge spaceship with a thousand generations just to get there?

>>15116658
These were first launched in the 80's. We only found out about them because of their immense cost and the subcommittee that was meant to sign off on their black budget had one Senator throw a fit saying he wouldn't sign off on it until they told him what the project was. You can find news articles about it if you dig.

>>15116916
>what would we even do?
It depends a lot on how we find it, but I'll assume it's some very possible bio-signature or techno-signature as we are discussing exoplanet search.
>A lot of people will deny it even harder than Apollo truthers, specially among religious people.
>Some will create alien cults and claim they are in contact with the exoplanet, of course all taken out of their ass to take advantage of stupid people.
>A fuck ton of pop-sci speculation, and a lot of sensationalism with it.
>Constant radio monitoring of it, but sending radio messages there will become a constant controversy.
>Researchers will say "well, we will keep observing it but we won't know how it's really like there any time soon so whatever" and people will eventually move on from that eventually.

>>15116401
Isn't there a Swedeanon in /sfg/ that lives pretty close to that place? He should go watch it.

>>15116946
I know that we have two Finngolians.

>>15116944
I'm scared that if NASA says that they have found life outside on earth, religious people would just go full conspiracy and even more anti science

>>15116949
Tips fedora

>>15116951
What's are the others options?
>oh I guess god lied us about aliens lol
>oh a contradiction? guess god aint real lol

>>15116949
This is part of why I think it will be very hard for NASA to ever claim they have found life unless it is a little green man coming here in front of everybody. Like with that phosphine thing, the next thing after detection will be a long time of coming up with non-biological explanations for the observations, which honestly is the right thing to do as I don't want another "martian canals" disappointment.

>>15116959
>oh I guess god lied us about alien
Where, when, and which one? Pretty sure the old testament is full of nephilim and other wild alien shit.

>>15116959
To be fair some will just say "the work of god extends far beyond Earth" or something, I think even the pope spoke about that sometime.

>>15116964
Far beyond the firmament

>>15116964
yeah, so life outside earth might change some religious peoples belief but most of them will just move goalposts/deny/ or just accept it as it might not contradict anything

>>15116401
https://youtu.be/S5wRsAYzVmw
Apperantly the Swedish king will inaugurate the new orbital launch facility built there tomorrow kek. Are there even any smallsat launchers in Europe that are even close to their orbital launch debute? I can only think of RFA but they are supposed to launch from Norway iirc.

>>15116976
The Swedes have a king?

>>15116306

"two months"

>>15116964
>>15116963
would god find it moral to hide a child from their stepbrothers? God created humans in his own image, did he not create aliens in his own image? Is he ashamed of the aliens? Why did he lie to us and say he built the universe around our solar system?

>>15116985
Why do you tell a kid that a fat man in a red suit brought them gifts in the night?

>>15116985
>Why did he lie to us and say he built the universe around our solar system?
There is no solar system in the Bible. In fact if you read the first page carefully you will notice he creates a giant firmament at the bottom of a giant body of water and pumps the water out under it, revealing land.(also the reason the sky is blue) This is why flat earthers today believe in the firmament.

>>15116985
He hid the people in America and Oceania from the Old World for millennia before contact was made if we go by this line of thought. And the rest is all a matter of interpretation anyway.

>>15116976
ARCAspace :^)

>>15116996
>He hid the people in America and Oceania from the Old World for millennia
clearly these were known to Noah because he put Kangaroos and Bisons on the arc

>>15116620
Oh hey I recognize that logo. I saw a sign for them in an office park on the way to work the other day. Didn't know they were in the bay area.

>>15116997

>>15117032
rude

>>15116997
They were supposed to launch their EcoRocket thing last year, supposedly they were having some loicense problem with the romanian faa (another thing in common with spacex). Now, complete silence on all their social media accounts, their twitter profile even got hacked several months ago or they not longer own it or idk https://twitter.com/arcaspace.. Where are you, Popescu? Who will be the main European contender now in this new space age?

>>15116979
yes

Starlink continues onward to record revenue

>>15117009
Any form of biblical literalism starts getting very silly when exposed to modern data.

>>15117011
What you saw was probably the former Apollo Fusion facility. The HQ and main rocket factory is on the old naval base in Alameda. IIRC they were also looking to buy/rent an old chip fab to scale up production of the ion engines.

>>15117091
is this picture real? what kimd of man wears that hat

>>15117104
I take it you haven't met many swedes.

>>15117091
Truely, he was the King of the Swedes

Why are astronomers so against looking for planets at SUN LIKE STARS???? hmmm????? I think it clear they are afraid of what (or whom) they might find.......

>>15117116
They are not against, they are just uncommon and it's just hard to find planets in bigger stars due to their size. There have been attempts at finding planets at Alpha Centauri and Epsilon Eridani but nothing really came out of it.
Now back to /x/.

>Watch maiaspace interview
>We would want to avoid launching constellation satellites due to the space and night sky pollution they generate

The absolute state of frogs.

What market could Neutron get? The only main one I can think is launching OneWeb so they can stop having to rely on their competitor to do it.

;)

>>15117136
18 people to space and 0kg to orbit in 2022.

>>15117099
No, this was in Santa Clara/Sunnyvale area on Arques Ave. I knew i recognized the logo from somewhere but couldn't place it.

>>15117127
lmao the cope

>>15117136

>>15117158
>>15117099
I'm pretty sure it was this office. Noticed it around December of 2022 so it should show up next time Google goes through that neighborhood.

>>15117136
Sub-orbitals don't count and are worthy only of pity.

>>15115643
Why is Saxavord suddenly dominating in terms of European small launch sites? What's the difference versus one of the other Scottish/Norwegian sites? Incentives?

>>15117170
BIG
CHIP

>>15117179
>We will give the moon a giant penis
FUNDED

>>15117180
It's easy to dominate when there's nothing really going on across the whole continent.

>>15117180
Also
>Launch Pad Fredo
What did they mean by this?

>>15117180
Less paperwork from what I've read

>>15116923
Lol. My old team played KSP in a big conference room in the LCC once. Manager was explaining stuff using it actually

Could resupply missions to a Lunar ground station be done with airbag landing (like picrel) to make them simpler and less expensive? The payload most of the time would be stuff that could handle a rougher landing I guess.

>>15117187
They're gonna fire rockets into their brothers bedroom

>>15116976
>the first orbital capable facility within Europe is in some frozen shithole above the arctic circle
grim

>>15117207
Europe is the worst continent for space centers with its high density, eastward facing coasts and medium-high latitude. Only arctic or subarctic centers for polar launches are interesting

>>15116306
March, prolly.

That's if the stable genius has submitted his permit application in time.

>>15116661
bitch do you know how hard it would be to track a satellite by non-local star transits?

You've heard the metaphors about Falcon 9's landing as being as difficult as throwing a pencil over the empire state building and landing on a stamp. Tracking a satellite by watching it occlude remote stars would be like following a single grain of sand flowing down a cloudy river for 3 miles.

>>15117202
Yes but it would be stupid. A reusable lander is cheaper.

>>15117227
How?

>>15117232
You realise those things are still fully functional spacecraft right? You would need deceleration rockets and telemetry and IMU and all that. You can't airbag from orbital velocity.
If you can't understand that a thrown away spacecraft is more expensive than one which limits to the price of fuel as number of reuses grows then I can't help you.

>>15117235
It's just that I think that the amount of fuel and flyback and landing/splashdown hardware would take away too much payload mass from the lander, and there is also the increased complexity and refurbishment costs.

>>15117239
>flyback and landing/splashdown hardware
most reusable moon landers don't land back on earth. they get refueled in some orbit.

>>15117243
This is a resupply lander I'm talking about. Only carrying water, air, food and whatever. Are you talking about loading the lander with the stuff launched from another vehicle?

>>15117249
Yes. Although a Starship with heat shield that gets refueled in LEO, lands on the moon and aerobrakes back to earth would be less dollar per kilo than an expendable lander too.
Throwing away hardware is just pretty stupid financially unless you're going much further out.

>>15117255
Drop tanks are also stupid

>>15117255
This of course assumes a high Starship flight rate. If that is not achieved then reuse like that is indeed worse than throwing away a dedicated, cheaply produced lander each time.

>>15117267
There is that too, and couldn't the rocket hardware in an airbag lander be simplified to the point they are very cheap? They will just be decelerating much less than a ton to a general landing range that the astronauts can pick.

>>15116948
make that 3

/sfg/ - Space Finland General

>>15116944
>specially among religious people.
When did this change occur? It used to be religious people who thought there was probably tons of life out there in the universe.
>>15116959
Where do people even get this belief from?

>>15117294
How much do these tiny SRBs do to increase performance?

>>15117302
>It used to be religious people who thought there was probably tons of life out there in the universe.
Not everyone has the same beliefs, but a lot of evangelicals are absurdly strict to what can and can't exist.

>>15117303
They about double it. The rocket pictured (PSLV) can put 2.1 tons into LEO without boosters, and 3.8 with them

>>15117302
>When did this change occur?
It didn't. Most of the time when someone makes a generalizing statement on the internet about "religious people" they are 100% talking out of their ass.

>Decide to have some fun and play stock KSP
>Suddenly realize it’s both too easy and too hard to replicate IRL ships (overpowered, but few parts)
>Suddenly miss RSS/RO
Bros…

>>15116332
>What’s the state of the Russian space program now?
Absolute

>>15117317
lel

>>15117313
Try one of the intermediate scales

>>15117309
Oh I guess all the bullshit conspiracies that I saw religious relatives sharing with each other were taken out of my ass.

>>15117313
>BEAM CORE ANTIMATTER ENGINES IN AN ATMOSPHERE
We are reaching the physical maximum limit of "oh shit nigger what are you doing" levels.

>>15117321
Yeah I’m trying KSRSS next. Basically, Kerbal parts are perfectly sized for 2.5X scale instead of full on RSS. It’s like RSS but without a lot of the more “finicky” mods. A perfect in-between I guess.

Most KSP mods (BDB, Tantares, etc.) are designed with the 2.5X scale in mind

>>15117179
This will be forever fucking funny. Like who was the target audience this was aimed at? The only people that care about HLS can see right through Blue Origin and rightfully prefer the superior SpaceX solution. And yet they had the audacity to print out posters and have Jeff write an open letter. What the fuck were they thinking??

>>15117325
The movie does not shy away from showing the devastation caused by the engines, although they probably downplay it a lot.
>Imagine vertically landing an interstellar ship lololol
1) It’s more of a sky crane really. The payload drops off and lands on its own
2) It’s inaccurate yeah

>>15117323
Yeah, that's an unironically true statement right there

>>15117094
Hot DAMN. I knew their revenue was growing quick but I had no idea it was this ridiculous in context.

>>15116332
>DPRK is actually ahead of Russia in some technology areas
Knowing how fucked up Russia became in the 1990s that's actually believable

>>15117325
What would happen with beam core antimatter in atmosphere specifically?

>>15117328
>Like who was the target audience this was aimed at?
I dream of a world in which there exist blue origin stans. Just imagine, the amount of shitflinging that could take place between BOstans/bezosstans vs SpaceXstans/Muskstans. But no, Jeff decided yachts were more important.

>>15117338
SpaceXbros…we lost…

>>15117094
For context, there have been roughly ~60 Starlink launches with 50 starlinks each. If each F9 costs $25 million, thats $1.6 billion. If each satellite cost $350K, thats another $1.05 billion. Totaling ~$2.6 billion.

So the ROI is <3 years, and the number will reduce further as more customers sign up, as Starships come online.

>>15117343
>>15117168

>>15117331
I think that a) the tactic of depositing a gigantic payload on a planetary surface by spurning gravity with sheer thrust and b) putting this in a movie, are both tremendously based, and I can forgive the handwaving of the radiation hazard to the crew.

>>15117343
Exactly, we have to resort to ironic shitposting to simulate that non-existing rivalry. Because we all know BO fans do not exist, at least for now.

>>15117350
Remember when New Glenn was revealed and we all thought there would be a new space race? Lol.

>>15117327
6.4x is fun because it actually gives you an excuse to use all the stock exploits and monstrosities
RSS is too hardcore for pure stock parts

>>15117353
TAKE ME BACK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duGy_StSCkg

>>15117353
>we all thought
Who's we? I've never taken BO seriously. And I only started respecting SpaceX when they stuck the first landing, even though they were already launching shit to orbit.

>>15117277
Do you know what's different about those airbag landings on Mars and landing on the moon?
Mars has an atmosphere for initial deceleration with aerobraking and parachutes and shit.
You can't land on the Moon (in one piece) without retro thrusters, which you can use for the rest of the landing too.

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/japan-s-prime-minister-us-secretary-of-state-to-visit-nasa
Japanese PM visiting NASA on Friday

>was the first one to find and post the infographics
That was another great thread

>>15116701
Are chinks even real, or is it an AI generating copies of everything western?

>>15116879
Why is that making advancements for space telescopes takes like 30 years, even if go by more hopeful estimates in the Decadel survey, but you can shit out something like the ELT in five years and leapfrog that shit in space?

>>15117412
jobs

>>15117412
shuttle legacy

>>15116701
bruh

https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1613378230844641280
> Saudi Arabia has notified the UN it is withdrawing from the 1979 Moon Treaty (not to be confused with the 1967 Outer Space Treaty).

>>15116944
>>15116949
*letips*
Lmao look at this theological and historical ignorants.

I hope the next moon landing can live up to kino that was seen in the Apollo program. Has NASA decided on the EVA suits for the mission? Are they as effay as the originals?

>>15116985

Lmao do you even Genesis
>>15116994
Now this one looks like really bad faith

>>15117451
>I hope the next moon landing can live up to kino that was seen in the Apollo program
The only kino about it will be the massive fucking Lunar Starship landing. The EVA suits will most likely look like an abomination, the people landing will be some femoid and nignog so NASA can further push their pozz agenda, there's no real urgency behind it like it was with against the Soviets and people will care far less.

>>15117447
Wow such a religious expert, now I see how religious people never do anything wrong.
All those years of evangelicals saying the most absurd bullshit and electing people with the same thoughts into power never happened apparently.

>>15117458
You probably won't see the astronaut's face during the EVAs anyway. The mockup image I found looks very like an Apollo suit but with red and blue patches over the white suit.

>>15117338

Is cheaper and more economically viable to rape children in yachts desu

>>15117451
It can't.

>>15117382
>Visits America, gets shot
Lmao

>>15117459
*letips*
lmao have fun in Hell tranny

>>15117462
I don't like it

>>15117470
Why are you so sure you won't go to hell? There are many other religions who could be right instead of your's, and you are browsing this degenerate imageboard anyway.

Are there any news of the progress of the SpaceX EVA suit?

Titan was so sexy

>>15117483
Jared said its something like John-117 would wear. Aka HALO

>>15117483
A quick search only revealed concept art

>>15117462
how new are you

>>15116672
Brazil signed the Artemis Accords. They already picked us over the Russians in space.

>>15117337
The exhaust would be death rays cutting through the landing zone, the ground, and hundreds of meters of rock, possibly earning the distinction of the only spacecraft type to suffer a self induced VOLCANIC ERUPTION if they hit a magma pocket. If the propellant containment failed even by one molecule of antihydrogen, the ensuing chain reaction would wipe out the entire CONTINENT you're trying to land on.

>>15117597
That was under the Bolsonaro government, which was sympathetic to the US. I have no idea what will happen during the current Lula government, maybe they will approach China for space interests.

>>15117610
They won't. US DoD has an interest in keeping China out of Alcantara.

>>15117611
True but we still have 4 years to see how Lula will fuck up things here.

>>15117604
just throttle down

>>15117619
that's what she said

>>15117625
Who?

>>15117382
Oh shit

>>15117634
Top fucking wew.
>Russia or China takes down a US sat
>suddenly facing stealth jets from the entire length of the western Pacific

>>15117634
Did they also agree to fund giant robots for the military?

>>15117634
WW3 will really be fought over spooksat #383847383949 being spray painted by blyatsat 7 huh

>>15116332
>What’s the state of the Russian space program now?
Their last successful interplanetary probe launched in 1982. Falcon 9 took Protons customers. Soyuz has a dim future post ISS because Russia can't afford ROSS. Glonass is such shit Russian military vehicles have GPS recievers taped to the dash. The Soyuz 2.1 launch vehicle is literally a R7 with modern avionics and still uses 1950s spec peroxide permanganate gas generators to power the turbopumps. All skilled engineers are trying to leave for the west. The condition is legitimately terminal.

>>15117634
>treaty of cooperation

>>15117094
IPO when

>>15117709
After $4.20 billion per year annual revenue

>>15117634
>>15117444
space gets more interesting by the day

>>15116473
his only mistake was buying fucking skinwalker ranch lmao

https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1613415341853384704

Full set of new Starship images

>>15117749

>>15117749
Yawn. Launch it faggot

>>15117751

>>15117179
>100 MT of propellants
damn, Starship is a fuel hog

>>15116508
gee I wonder who started it..

>>15117760
America numba wun baybee

Commonwealthbros, not like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHRYNAldIX0

>>15117760
best korea

>>15116701
>starship with grid fins
would it work?

>>15117444
This is a good thing,the Moon treaty is total asscheese

>>15117491
He did NOT say that did he? that'd be based if true

>>15116946
probably not reffering to me but im kinda close

>>15116928
relativistic kill missile

>>15116916
we could maybe talk to them

>>15117836
https://twitter.com/rookisaacman/status/1596199020934082560

>>15117094
This is stupid since Starlink can't exist in its current form without a mature Falcon 9. He starts counting when Starlink opens to subscription. Should we start counting for the first billion for Intel Arc graphics separate from Intel?

>>15117865
Agreed in respect. But even excluding the list, Starlink @ 1B/y annual revenue is positive news.

>>15117836
>>15117857
I find so funny Jared is the one jew guy that /sfg/ loves despite the /pol/tard cancer that exists here.

>>15117876
Whats the implication here? That /sfg/ hates jews for some reason? What?

>>15117876
>one
You forgot Zubrin.

>>15116828
I don't see the issue
they don't have to be identical hexagons

>>15117894
the number of jews that are anti musk or anti spaceflight is too damn high

>>15117910
Also Von Braun was forced into using LH2 by a guy named (((Silverstein))).

>>15117894
>>15117910
The implication is that now and then this thread gets polluted by retards saying shit like "{{[((([{they}}]])))] are keeping humanity from going into space".
I bet these retards will call me a mossad glowie even when I have some issues with them. Won't extend this because I don't want the jannies to ban me for offtopic.

>>15117920
It's true though. If you look at all the industries, parties, movements, and -isms that are disproportionately Jewish you get a cross section of the most disgusting, mudfooted earther scum.

>>15117928
I wish so much stormfags had never taken over this imageboard.

>>15117934

>>15117920
It's true though.

>>15117226
Seriously anon be realistic, it would be much easier using some high tech imaging and tracking programs. They use facial recognition/gate recognition in Walmart for loss prevention, it’s not that wild to imagine the governments of the world having a satellite tracker based on shadow detection.
Even if it doesn’t already exist it’s not a terrible idea.

>>15117957
yeah, nah

fuck space

>>15117969
yeah she is very hot indeed

>>15117966
The problem is it is weather dependent, relies on knowing roughly where the satellite is, and having a lot of spread out optical censors that are both wide seeing and clear eyed. It would probably be easier to track them from a higher orbit tbqh

>>15117978

>>15118020
to this day I still think this black hole scientist is so cute in these photos.

>>15118023
Agreed.

>>15117865
>Intel® Arc™ graphics
God you fags are everywhere. Get the fuck back in pcbg

>>15118010

>>15117928
Do we know whether they saved rogozin's little soyuz or not?

>>15117695
>permanganate
I totally read that as pomegranate and was very confused for a moment.

>>15118066
His Soyuz turned into a Zond if you know what I mean

Inshallah there will be a WDR today

>>15118081
and then another in 2 months, and then another...and another...

>>15117910
Just as Spengler would predict. The gulf between Magian and Faustian mindsets cannot be bridged.

why doesnt australia do anything worthwhile in space

>>15118122
Australia is already an offworld colony. What more do you want from them?

>>15118122
I’ve posted about it before but if you went to Australia and hung out with Aussies you’d understand. Especially in the summer. It’s just not in the national character.

>>15117966
>>15116661
No one is doing this because the probability of having a transit is fucking tiny. This is due to the very, very small angular size of typical stars. Based on fits to typical Gaia stars above 10th mag, (down to 100 times fainter than can be seen by eye) a typical star has an apparent radius of 0.5 milliarcseconds. That is tiny, it's the apparent size of a 1 meter object on the surface of the Moon as seen from Earth. And so satellites have to exactly pass over these tiny targets to cause a transit. Down to this apparent brightness of stars there are about 2.5 million stars, the collective fraction of the sky covered is only about 4 trillionths. You see the issue. If you assume the satellite is in a 100 min orbit then you only get a transit every ~160 orbits. That's assuming you observe all stars simultaneously, constantly. The actual transit will also only last microseconds, so you need to do all of this at ridiculous frame rates. With such a low rate tracing orbits to find out which object is which will be almost impossible. It's just not sensible, it is orders of magnitude easier just to observe them directly or with radar.

>>15116906
Proxima is very difficult for imaging, because it's a red dwarf the habitable zone is very close. For ELT a better prospect is Alpha Cen A and B, there are already some hints of planets. If a planet can be directly imaged a spectrum can be obtained.

>>15117116
Most of the stars in the universe are M dwarfs. And if you want to study the atmospheres of exoplanets, it's only feasible today for rocky planet with small cool stars.

>>15117412
It's not quite that fast. Planning for the ELTs took off in the early 2000s.

>>15118042
?

>>15117749
OOOOOO I'M GOOONNNNAAA SSSTAAACCCKKK DDDON'T LAUNCHHH MMMEEEE NOOOOOOWWWW

>>15117876
>>15117920
Dilate more pedoloving tranny

>born too late for apollo
>born to early to colonize mars
>born just in time to see mankind have hope again
future generations will envy us

>>15118207
gonna call him a poopy weiner next? lol

>3D photophoretic aircraft made from ultralight porous materials can carry kg-scale payloads in the mesosphere
>We show that photophoretic aircraft would greatly benefit from a three-dimensional (3D) hollow geometry that pumps ambient air through sidewalls to create a high-speed jet. To identify optimal geometries, we developed a theoretical expression for the lift force based on both Stokes (low-Re) and momentum (high-Re) theory and validated it using finite-element fluid-dynamics simulations. We then systematically varied geometric parameters, including Knudsen pump porosity, to minimize the operating altitude or maximize the payload. Assuming that the large vehicles can be made from previously demonstrated nanocardboard material, the minimum altitude is 55 km while the payload can reach 1 kilogram for 3D structures with 10-meter diameter at 80 km altitude. In all cases, the maximum areal density of the sidewalls cannot exceed a few grams per square meter, demonstrating the need for ultralight porous materials.
https://arxiv.org/abs/2301.04281

>>15118209
we are in a unique time just after humanity is effectively united by modern communications tech and before we spread out enough to become disorganized again, a unique opportunity to influence the future of all of humanity

>>15118239
globohomo phase

>>15118250
God bless the speed of light, the universe is truly well made

>>15116959
The bible doesn't say aliens don't exist. It doesn't confirm them but it t doesn't deny them either.

>>15117780
Why can't bongs into space?

Why is Virgin Orbit such a big deal when it's LITERALLY the same thing as Pegasus?

>>15118155
You'd thinking living in a hellhole like australia would make people want to get away from there as fast as possible.

ugh...

>>15118336
Minus the heavy and complex meme-wheel, what's the issue?

>>15118322
>hellhole
So glad we’ve managed to convince more foreigners of this kek

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1613537584231362561

ITS HAPPENING

>>15118378
2 WEEKS

>>15118378
>Now owns twitter
>Still can't get rid of the buttcoin scams every time he posts
Why did he even bother?

>>15118378
that tweet could be from 2021

>>15117920
you have to go back

>>15118378
FAA LICENSE GRANTED (https://twitter.com/FAANews/status/1608368110515687425))
B7 FROSTY
S24 TRIVENT
OH MY GOD HE'S GOING TO LAUNCH ISN'T HE

>>15118378
Elon said it. I believe it. That settles it.

>>15118397
OMG ITS HAPPENING

https://www.faa.gov/space/stakeholder_engagement/spacex_starship

>>15118397
blue fox spam

>>15118378
Two more years...soon

>>15117459
I hope you one day forgive whoever hurt you this much. Not for their sake they're probably fags, but for yours so you can rid yourself of this massive chip on your shoulder.

>>15118397
NO WAY POG

Time to watch tanks get frosty

>>15118418
Meh, being a retard with a grudge is its own natural punishment.

He's suffering unnecessarily (albeit to a small degree), but at the same time he deserves it for being a cunt for no good reason.

>>15117610
Lula will not be permitted to change Brazil's mind on this

>>15118418
The person who hurt them this much is themselves. Every person I’ve ever seen posting Ike this is someone who never outgrew being a buttmad 14 year old angry over having to go to church once a week when they could have been playing fortnite.

>>15118454
The ones who go on about le racist Christianity boil my piss. Imago Dei is the most powerful antiracist doctrine in world history bar none. And I'm not even Christian, just familiar with history.

>>15118465
That's actually why /pol/ is tearing itself apart on the topic, you have furious coping and borderline /x/ type stuff like Christian Identity vs. people pointing out that Imago Dei and the Jewish setting of the original texts are non-removable features.

Guys what's the Starship doing right now?

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1613568779216359424

>>15118378
All it took was one cyberattack.

>>15118555
absolutely nothing aside from looking cool sitting in some low lying clouds

>>15118564
The weakened FAA had no strength left with which to hold back Starship, it was forced to retreat and relinquish control while licking its wounds.

>>15118563
>2 weeks

>>15118569
for what purpose

>>15118378
>Starship launches soon
>Zero hype
It's over.

>>15118596
can't be in the future if we don't look cool as heck

>>15118597
can't keep the hype up for two years

>>15118597
Starship has been launching "soon(tm)" for the last two years

>>15118597
Almost like all musk vapourware

>>15118465
Acts 17:26 KJV
and hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation.

>>15118597
this is like the 6th post like this, not going to get very excited before some other corraborating stuff comes out like a launch license or a date for the launch

>>15118378
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLXR98S3RqU&t=45s

>>15118635
how bout another elon post?

>>15118597
Just like it was launching in 2021

Airbus is a fellow tankwatcher
https://twitter.com/AirbusSpace/status/1613576618483617800

>>15118650
What's up with thoseborders?

>>15118645
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1613580049114071041

>>15118378
Is Starship actually legally good to go now?

>>15118675
Must complete WDR and full static fire first.

>>15118668
>soon
>2 months

>>15118677
I know, but what about the paperwork?

>>15118678
2 more weeks a few times

>>15118680
FAA needs those two things to issue the launch loicense.

>>15118668
Interview with Elon Musk about Starship launch license. 2023, colorized

>>15118668
>Elon Musk talking with two teenagers about Starship launch license. 2023, colorized.

Starship update with Gwynne in February

>>15118597
it was about to launch in 2 weeks for the last 2+ years
I'm not getting hyped until TV crews are on site

it begins

This poster always went so hard

>>15118712
They forgot to include the lander

Uhh... inflatabros?

>>15118712
Needs an astronaut chick hugging the bottom of SLS

>>15118720
The second clip is cool, I love seeing how it unravels rather than a split second kaboom.

>>15118418
>>15118432
>>15118454
>>15118465
>>15118495
I can't fucking understand why anons refuse to acknowledge how politically powerful evangelicals used to be.They had an effective grip on media and education.

this looks comical so I had to share

>>15118769
>shuttle transport, crew lander and station support/lab
Humble, but efficient.

i am a worthless subhuman piece of shit, i should be raising pigs on a farm not babbling online in my shitty post-industrial town. you're all 100x smarter than me, you'll have a legacy. i'll rot into dust and become just another peasant used as an example for a eugenics project by the superhumans of the future.

>>15118759
>They had an effective grip on media and education.
Fucking when? 1840?

>>15118759
Because they are christian, no shit. And you have to understand they probably grew up in supportive, positive Christian environments rather than abusive ones.

>>15118776
I didn't think my two stage fully reusable spaceplane would make it from Kerbin surface to Munar orbit and back without refueling but uh
Vector stronk
the upper stage just straight up uses clustered terriers however which feels weird, RL-10 is just good I guess
>>15118781

>>15118789
https://twitter.com/Acheroraptor/status/1609904385328381952

>>15118781
Humans will devolve after star colonization.

>>15118781
where is this coming from? I think you assume too much from the anons in here

How do I boost my IQ? I am a fucking subhuman, I want to at least feel good about myself for fucking once in my life. I hate this shitty world that worships decay. FUCK THE ANTI-CHRIST FUCK THE ANTI-CHRIST FUCK THE ANTI-CHRIST WORTHLESS FUCKING GLOBALIST SCUM YOU DESTROYED OUR LANGUAGES YOU PREACH NOTHING BUT LIES

>>15118802
Shut up and talk about rockets retard.

>>15118786
Hey if it works it works, I have a habit of turning all my rovers into light airships using the hooliganlabs mod. That plus firespitter's electric prop give you infinite flight range on Kerbin/Laythe/Eve.

>>15118802
>>15118781
Go outside and get therapy

>>15118802
lol lmao

>>15118782
The 1990s. Fucking creationism was being taught in US public schools for the first time since the 1920s.

>>15118831
why do i exist

>>15118868
Your parents fucked.

>>15118875
how do i become smarter so i feel better about myself?

>>15118875
And they fucked up too.

>>15118878
clearly

>>15118668
not happening

>>15118854
Fucking where, none of that shit was in school when I was a kid, which was the 90s, unless you went to an expressly religious school. At most you had some people bitching that you should "teach the controversy" but everybody and I do mean EVERYBODY laughed them right out.
The real danger of evangelicals (or any other devoutly religious types) in government is when they have a doomsday/prophecy which they feel it's their duty to help bring about.
Take this old meme for your troubles, friend.

sitting in my shitty council flat in kilmarnock wondering whether i should take out a loan, erase my identity, buy land in some southeast asian shithole and live off-grid until the land is of value.

>>15118720
lockheed martin shit engineering. fire them all

>>15118877
Eat right, sleep enough, exercise, take nootropics.

>>15118908
will i ever be as smart as others? i want to understand the world and appreciate it. i feel like i'm trapped in an endless loop.

>>15118913
Don't compare yourself to others that's a waste of time, compare yourself to yourself and constantly outclass yourself.
Also not spaceflight, take it to >>>/adv/

>>15118854
Yeah some hick school districts *tried* to get that going but what happened to them? The media, academics and various secular foundations ridiculed it, fought it and quickly stamped it out.

YOOO WHEN IS THE FIRST LAUNCH? ELON MUSK JUST DROPPED NEW TWEETS

>>15118781
>you're all 100x smarter than me
Anon, you’re on /sci/, on 4chan, this is statistically unlikely

>>15117910
>>15117914
>>15117920
>>15117934
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjDEsGZLbio
fuck off kike

>>15118981
You (You)ed 3 or 4 different anons here lmao

>>15118990
I meant 2 or 3 fuck
the last two are mine

Any other MuslimAnons here?

>>15118981
the rhetoric sounds familiar

>SpaceX chooses to build the F1-sized Merlin 2 engine instead of Raptor
How does history change?

>>15119006
Staged combustion Methalox was already mature enough in the early 2010s to be considered a serious way to pursue and then go FFSC, Russians, Frogs, Germans had already done significant research on it in the 2000s

>>15119006
Lower risk, Lower reward route. Makes more sense for SpaceX financially. But the benefits for space exploration wouldn't be as good.

What is the point of manned space flight?

>>15119073
Escaping the terrible destiny that is perpetual life on Earth.

>>15119073
The one your head comes to you dumb faggot. It's cool.

>>15119076
>I am such a narcissist my descendants would become a race of monstrous space fairing creatures that have never known Earth.

Just kill yourself already.

>>15119073
Some time ago they did a simulation on how much science astronauts could do at Mars compared to rovers, and they concluded that astronauts still can do a lot more science compared to a robot.

>>15119073
to colonize other planets and celestial objects
humans are also like 1000x more effective doing research than robots

>>15119083
I was told robots are going to replace all the jobs on Earth.

>>15119082
Not same anon but have you ever heard about not having children?

>>15119086
>doing research
Someday people will be born into the slavery of a space colony for this stupid shit.

>>15119089
And I'm talking about Mars rovers, not robots in general.

>>15119089
Do you see robots doing geology on earth?

>>15119096
Why do I need geology on Mars?

>>15119098
Because I wanna understand planetary formation?

>>15119094
boo hoo, people are being born into slavery right now

>>15119107
>I gave up the earth so you can live in a metal can in space
And I thought the baby boomers sold out their kid's future.