/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15109443
Wrong board but it's the jews

America actually used to have decent city planning but they literally bulldozed much of it I remember watching someone's docu on /n/ about it

>>15109443
>I heard the netherlands and japan are nice
They don't want you either.

>>15109443
Post-war Japanese cities are even uglier and more buglike than American cities, they just have no niggers in them so they appear more beautiful by contrast.

>>15109462
The problem with American city planning is that bulk of revised city plans drawn up around the time the interstate system was developed were built around quickly getting people into the financial centers of the cities and didn't account for long-term expansion of the cities. So now you end up with these vast mazes of interchanges and ramps trying get people through the most densely congested parts of the city. Most of the ring roads around major metros didn't even start getting built until the late 60s and 70s and most of them are obsolete now.

Unironically we should adopt the Burman model and start building new major cities from scratch, planning them around what will be nominal for the foreseeable 20-25 years, and then offering incentives to major employers and government agencies to gradually set up shop in the new cities.

>>15109495

>Unironically we should adopt the Burman model and start building new major cities from scratch

I've had this recurring autistic idea that we should use nuclear fusion power to flood the area that is now Death Valley with desalinated seawater to recreate the big freshwater lake that existed there 20,000 years ago, and then build a new futuristic city, "New Venice" on the southern shore of the lake.

I'd also build a maglev line that connects Los Angeles, New Venice, and Las Vegas

>>15109443
come to australia mate. we don't have parking readily available in our CBDs so you get the pleasure of commuting 1 hour each way to work on public transport.

>>15109495
>start building new major cities from scratch
LMAO! No.

>>15109523

What you're describing would be a staggeringly monumental task even for a hypothetical society that has mastered nuclear fusion (which is still very much in its infancy).

>>15111750
if we can dam the strait of gibraltar, we can flood Death Valley

>>15109495
>>Unironically we should adopt the Burman model and start building new major cities from scratch, planning them
Planning cities decades in advance.. Surely it will work this time!

>>15109523
>we should use a thing that doesn't exist, to do something

>>15109443
That was from when white flight was at its peak and cities were razing buildings to keep hobos from living in them, though sometimes the hobos themselves would end up setting the building on fire while trying to keep warm. Pic related is from Google Earth (I don't have a helicopter so that'll have to do) and is what the area looks like today. OP's pic is from half a century ago and while cities remain car centric, using a photo from the 1970s isn't very useful except as a cautionary tale.

>>15109443
It's not explicitly designed for that purpose, but it does a pretty good job of it anyway. See Hanlon's Razor. As for the reason, it has a lot to do with car company lobbying.

NOT SCIENCE
NOT MATH
GO TO /POL/

>>15109443
urban zones are shit because they're populated by soi bugmen, jews and their negro pet savages. there is no architecture or street layout which can fix that.

>>15109673
>>15111766
Establishing new population centers from the ground up lets you deal with fundamental planning problems in a way that you can't do in existing cities. We've learned a monumental amount about how to plan (and not plan) cities that we could utilize in a new city that will never ever be possible to incorporate in an existing population center. You can't "fix" the shitty mazes of interchanges through major cities, all you can do is widen them or build more arterials and ring roads to try and alleviate congestion. You can't "fix" having buildings that turned out to be in a 100 year flood plain that are now getting flooded every decade because climate change is fucking us, all you could do is build bigger dykes and flood walls or just abandon those areas altogether.

Building from scratch you could plan every road, every zone, every utility in an optimal way (or at least as optimal as we know how to now instead of as optimal as we knew how to 50, 100, 200 years ago), or choose locations that have fewer geographical or climatological issues. We have a very good understanding of where all the flood plains are, where all the areas most prone to wildfires or tornados or droughts, etc. are and we could plan new cities with that information in mind instead of just constantly making shit up as we go along.

And this isn't a uniquely American issue either. European cities have spent ages constantly accommodating every dilapidated old quasi-historic building or working around every retarded nine-way intersection that some faggot that was a genius idea 387 years ago or whatever.

>>15112189
Every time says "bro lets just start over and we'll do it right this time" it turns into a huge boondoggle. You people are idiots.

>>15112189

>>15112236
What tool is this?

>>15112236
why are you so fucking obsessed? kill yourself already, faggot.

>>15109495
>start building new major cities from scratch
Ugh, where's the SOVL?

>>15112189
>Building from scratch you could plan every road, every zone, every utility
And you'd get it wrong.
Organic development is the only way.

>>15112280

>>15112404
That's a shoop. But half of 4chan posts intentionally try to sound stupid or memey, so you might have to add 5-10 points to the average text because the AI doesn't understand humor that well.