/sci/ - Science & Math

One of the founders or cofounders of the weather channel also called bullshit on climate alarmism.

It's just another SJW cult indoctrinated into the youth by the school systems and the mass media and cartoons.

Global warming will kill us all. The only solution is to give the UN more power and deliver all your gold to Israel.

>>15089789
Loads of countries don't exist today, that did exist in 1989:

east germany
ussr
yugoslavia

i only care about rising CO2 levels
we don't need more poison in the atmosphere

>>15089809
kek. destroyed by rising c levels.

>>15089811
>t. anaerobic bacteria re: oxygen

>>15089789
>entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels [in some future; unspecified in the screenshot]
>if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000
I appreciate that it can be easy to misinterpret an article if one doesn't fully understand much of the subject. I hope that by clarifying your understanding of the article, we can have a more productive and meaningful discussion about sea level rise.

>>15089789
I'm not sure how up to date this is but it lists a fair few alarmist predictions
https://alarmism.watch

>>15090323
>https://alarmism.watch

That site is AMAZING!

>>15089811
CO2 is literally earth's lifeblood. The real redpill is that we need more of it.

>>15090618
While CO2 is an important component of the Earth's carbon cycle and is necessary for life on Earth, it is not necessarily the case that we need more of it. In fact, high levels of CO2 in the atmosphere can contribute to the greenhouse effect, which traps heat from the sun and causes global warming. This can lead to a range of negative consequences, including more frequent and severe heatwaves, droughts, and storms, as well as rising sea levels and the loss of biodiversity. It is therefore important to maintain a balance of CO2 in the atmosphere, rather than simply increasing the amount of CO2. While CO2 is essential for life, it is not necessarily the case that more is always better. In fact, if we continue to increase the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere through activities such as burning fossil fuels, we risk disrupting the delicate balance of the Earth's climate and ecosystems.

>>15090824
Literally a ChatGPT post.

>>15089789
Al Gore was right. His only mistake was the timing.

>>15090836
2 more weeks

>>15090836
t. Every failed bizlet gambler

>>15089807
>Global warming will kill us all. The only solution is to give the UN more power and deliver all your gold to Israel.
Why Israel? I want to be sure my gold goes to the super-sciency smart people and politicians in order to solve this impending climate collapse!

>>15090618
>The real redpill is that we need more of it.
CORRECT
Which is why the globalists who want to depopulate the planet are trying to reduce CO2, to create massive crop shortages and mass starvation into the billions.

>>15089789
or you know... we solved global warming

>>15090824
Bullshit. There have been many times before in history were the global Co2 levels where much MUCH higher then what we have now. Simple facts you can't just explain away with bullshit emotionalism and sciency sounding claptraps.

You people completely fail to understand it's NOT the climate you are concerned about; it's the culture. Some plants may be displaced for other new ones. And that's it. We need MORE CO2.

>>15091605
meds

>>15091605
>There have been many times before in history were the global Co2 levels where much MUCH higher then what we have now.
You mean millions of years ago, before humans even existed? OK, what's your point? There have been many times in Earth's history when rapid changes in temperature have been associated with mass extinctions.

>>15089807
>>15091299
STOP ASKING QUESTIONS. TRUST THE EXPERTS

>>15091624
An alleged 1 degree over 10,000 years is pretty small.

>>15091605
>There have been many times before in history were the global Co2 levels where much MUCH higher then what we have now
And paleoclimate studies clearly show what to expect in the future due to increasing CO2: higher global temperatures, higher sea levels etc.
>Some plants may be displaced for other new ones. And that's it. We need MORE CO2.
Feel free to put a CO2-filled bag on your head if you're so inclined. However, studies show increasing CO2 is going to undermine food security and nutrition:
- Norby et al (2010) "CO2 enhancement of forest productivity constrained by limited nitrogen availability"
- Crafts-Brandner and Salvucci (2000) "Rubisco activase constrains the photosynthetic potential of leaves at high temperature and CO2"
- Salvucci et al (2001) "Exceptional Sensitivity of Rubisco Activase to Thermal Denaturation in Vitro and in Vivo"
- Long et al (2006) "Food for Thought: Lower-Than-Expected Crop Yield Stimulation with Rising CO2 Concentrations"
- Challinor et al (2010) "Increased crop failure due to climate change: assessing adaptation options using models and socio-economic data for wheat in China"
and more.

global warming is fake asf

>>15092316
>global warming is fake asf
The posted picture doesn't prove that. It proves that you are willing to lie and manipulate, though.

>>15089789
there's two hurdles about understanding climcate change.

the first one is to realise that earth is a closed environment, like a corked jar with a lamp shining on it: changes inside the jar always over time cumulate into other changes inside the jar. not a perfect analogy but reasonable i think, to see that what we do inside our jar does have an effect on its internal environment.

the second one is to understand that our survival relies on a range of conditions that exist on earth, and have existed for a long time, but didn't always. even without our influence, over time the conditions on earth would likely begin to change and drift further and further out of that range we depend on, due to the corked jar analogy. as a species we've survived conditions beyond this range before, like the little ice age. but our civilization is much more fragile and would not survive, along with a lot of people.

with these two understandings i'd posit that there's a fairly logical conclusion: we should focus our attention on preserving the conditions that are best suited for our life, whether they're being changed by our activities or natural events (probably both).

>>15092364
There is no legitimate evidence of AGW.
>we should focus our attention on preserving the conditions that are best suited for our life
AGW shills and their social programmers do nothing to promote that.

>>15092374
>no legitemate evidence of AGW
yeah i'd say we aren't certain either, it's only a logic based conclusion. doesn't matter though, for the reasons i explained.

>AGW shills do nothing to promote that
of course not, the people you're talking about also lack a good understanding of climate change. anybody who feels emotionally moved by some fairy tale that we're "killing mother earth" is missing the point, big time. but that's unfortunately still better than denial and inaction.

>>15092386
>it's only a logic based conclusion
Trusting scammers is illogical.

>of course not, the people you're talking about also lack a good understanding of climate change
Notice how whenever someone brings up directly observable environmental destruction, you try to change the subject back to your fantasy doomsday narrative? You and your likes can't survive under a system that addresses actual environmental problems.

>>15092374
>There is no legitimate evidence of AGW.
Why are you lying?

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2020GL091585

>>15092391
lol, just go re read my initial post until you stop feeling defensive and emotional. you aren't saying anything that makes sense.

>>15092400
>go re read my initial post
Your initial post doesn't say anything about any real environmenta problem, only some vague pilpul about AGW.

Global warming is real but the allies bombed the two basedmen who could have prevent it.

>>15092363
>i come to 4chan.org to defend CNN from criticism
so musk canned you and kicked you out of twitter HQ and now you've been reassigned to 4chan. how does the cafeteria here compare to the deluxe spread twitter used to feed you?

>>15089789
A RISING SEA LEVEL JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE

>>15093931
wait nevermind, it was just Al Gore's private jet.

>>15093905
The real question is why are you attacking them

>>15093905
>Changing the subject when caught in a lie.
Many such cases. If global warming is fake or if CNN actually did something wrong, then one should be able to show this without lies and manipulation.

>>15093972
all i want to know is whats for lunch in the cafeteria at 4chan hq

>>15090618
High CO2 levels (for example if you're in a poorly ventilated room) impair mental capacity

>>15091792
I’m looking out of my window right now and the weather is exactly as expected. This fact cancels out your picture of an “odd” snowstorm

>>15091792
I went for a walk in a T-shirt yesterday. At a time of the year when I used to build snowmen.

>>15089789
I know English might not be your native language, but it doesn't say that nations could be wiped out by 2000, it says that this could happen if global warming is not reversed by 2000.

>>15094764
Was global warming reversed by 2000?

The fact that we have likely surpassed peak oil and that there is a trend globally of population decline leads me to believe that the effects discussion of global warming is filled with hyperbole.

>>15094766
No. Also, these island nations are still predicted to vanish from the surface of the earth.

>>15094821
>No
How many nations have vanished since 2000?

>>15094825
None, but how is this related to OP's image? It doesn't say "will vanish by 2023"

>>15094828
>None
>It doesn't say "will vanish by 2023"
So when is the climate apocalypse coming? All your programmers ever say is that if we don't reverse climate change by current year + 20, bad things will happen at some unspecified time in the future. LOL. I hope you know what happens to fascist agitators like you when they lose control over the narrative.

>>15094779
lol

>>15094850
>So when is the climate apocalypse coming?
It's happening already. Also, islands don't sink like ships, they become uninhabitable when you get regular flooding with ocean water that ruins your fields and you can't grow crops any more.

>>15094871
>It's happening already
How many nations have vanished?

>>15094874
Eight.

>>15094953
List all the nations that have vanished beneath the sea thanks to global warming.

>>15094874
Tuvalu is sinking, severe heat waves are rapidly increasing in frequency and severity in nominally temperate climates, weather events aregenerally becoming less stable and more intense, and global average temperature is rising to a measurable degree (pun not intended) year by year. If you can't see the knife coming, you won't have time to react once your throat is already slit.

>>15094316
The CO2 levels in a poorly ventilated room are 10-100x higher than the average present in the open atmosphere. There's not enough accessible carbon in the entire earth to make the atmosphere that CO2-rich.

>>15095287
>Tuvalu is sinking
It's an atoll you ape. It's eroding. That has nothing to do with muh CO2, it's been eroding for the last million years.

>>15089789
Is global warming and rising sea levels a code for nonwhites?

>>15095287
>If you can't see the knife coming, you won't have time to react once your throat is already slit.
Exactly. It's convenient that you can't tell where the wind is blowing with regard to the general population's attitudes towards your belief system. You won't see it coming when someone breaks both your kneecaps for the shit you spout online.

it's just a doom scene to move agenda
t. a smart guy

>>15089789
It's not fake, it's happening but the world isn't going to explode or anything like that, we'll probably see more droughts which could start wars especially in third and second world countries, moreover africa is going to become more uninhabitable and we're gonna see more migrants.

>>15095385
Yes.

>>15089789
>global warming proven fake again
Since it has never been even close to be proven real, there is no need to prove it fake.

It's just another China-Communist bullshit thing. Hurt western economies, while China continues to gain wealth and power, and pollutes more than all other countries in the world combined.

>>15091624
>You mean millions of years ago, before humans even existed?
Humans are an abberation.

We are too weak to live without drastically altering our environment.

Humans will be extinct in a few thousand years when the oil and gas run out.

Most climate change idiots, such as yourself, are like the picrel. Humans are not special.

>>15094740
>I went for a walk
yeah sure you did fatso. across your basement room.

>>15094821
>island nations are still predicted to vanish from the surface of the earth.
Islands don't "vanish" retard, they either rise above sea level due to geology, or erode below it, due to weathering.
"Nations" are just leftist political bullshit.

>>15094953
Not enough.
>>15095287
Good. Any shithole with a stupid name like that deserves to sink into the shithole it created.

>>15091605
Rate of change you fucking retard. You got Bogo in the other thread so you had to make another strawman one

>>15092374
>he posts some sign in a park instead of data and evidence

Global warming? More like global faking, hehe.

>>15090836
legally not allowed to show his film in some places without a disclaimer correcting at least 22 outright lies stated in his film.

says a lot

>>15090323
>https://alarmism.watch
why are all the covid claims listed as correct?

>>15094817
>a trend globally of population decline

>>15092374
>>15092391
>>15092403
>>15095812
you need meds

>>15095838
Al Gore's film literally needs a legal disclaimer in some places due to inaccuracies. What's your point?

>>15095844
very cool meds now

>>15095789
>We are too weak to live without drastically altering our environment.
We had succesful hunter gatherer societies in almost every environment with minimal alterations. The reason they failed is not environmental pressure but civilized societies outcompeting them.

>>15095844
it's just a troll, don't feed them and they eventually go away

>>15095851
>civilized societies
Have never existed. Humans are incapable.

>>15089807
This

>>15095789
>Humans are an abberation.
An aberration to whom? The Earth doesn't care one way or another, only humans do.

>>15095791
Sea level doesn't change due to thermal expansion and land ice melting because...?

>>15095821
it looks like 3 are correct, 1 is failed, and 1 is awaited. But the 3 correct ones are pretty much the same prediction

>>15096151
That

>>15089789
person who made that pic doesn't know how to read and also doesn't know how to take a screenshot. Sub 80 IQ

>>15096277
>Sea level doesn't change due to thermal expansion and land ice melting because...?
Not enough ice to matter. Melt what little is left, which won't happen, and it only raises sea levels by 3 inches.

>>15089789
Tonga is losing quite a lot of land due to rising sea levels.

>>15098695
Do you know what an atoll is?

>>15098695
>Tonga is losing quite a lot of land due to rising sea levels.
No they are not. Sea Level is the SAME all over the globe, with slight tidal fluctuations due to lunar activity.

If Tonga were being engulfed by the sea, then there would also be sea level rise in this picrel anon posted.>>15098350

>>15089789
>I know we've been wrong about every doom-&-gloom prediction we've made for the past 120 years but trust us you gotta give up all your luxuries & give all your money to Africans!

I unironically hate climatards more than almost any group in society based solely on how much damage they have actively caused to the economy of the 1st world. The climate will always be changing, it's never been static. Especially after the GISP2 & Antartica Ice Core analyses (pic related) I have no clue why these faggots continue to shill their fearmongering horseshit. Al Gore & all his cronies are WRONG. Any excuses to why Florida, Vanuatu, Palau, or Kiribati aren't literally underwater right now is pure climatard cope.

>>15098738
>No they are not.
They are. Residents of the smaller islands have anyway had to relocate to the largest island. Why are you lying?

>Sea Level is the SAME all over the globe
No, it's an average of different sea levels. And this doesn't even respond to what you're replying to, since sea level increasing doesn't even imply it's different all over the globe. Are you mentally disabled?

>If Tonga were being engulfed by the sea, then there would also be sea level rise in this picrel anon posted.>>15098350 #
It's hard to tell if you're trolling or actually this stupid, but sea level rise is not the same everywhere, and two pictures tells you nothing about sea level change since they could be at completely different tides.

>>15098752
>>I know we've been wrong about every doom-&-gloom prediction we've made for the past 120 years
Who?

>I unironically hate climatards more than almost any group in society based solely on how much damage they have actively caused to the economy of the 1st world.
Why are you pretending to care about the economy when you want to subject it to unmitigated global warming? You want to hurt the economy.

>The climate will always be changing, it's never been static.
Who said anything to the contrary? The issue is not whether it changes but how fast it changes.

>Especially after the GISP2 & Antartica Ice Core analyses
What about them? inb4 you confuse Greenland and Antarctica with the entire globe.

>(pic related)
Fake graph. There's no HadCRUT data for the GISP2 site. Calling it "Central Greenland temperature" is a lie.

>Al Gore REEEEEEE
No one cares.

>Any excuses to why Florida, Vanuatu, Palau, or Kiribati aren't literally underwater right now
Who said they would be?

>>15098824
>source: nature
a political propaganda outlet

>>15098924
>Nature was right again
>therefore Nature is propaganda
>therefore I can ignore data published in Nature
Deniertard cope. Thanks for conceding.

>>15089811
We definitely need more poison in the atmosphere

>>15089789
strawmen are beyond proving.

>>15098824
>Fake graph. There's no HadCRUT data for the GISP2 site. Calling it "Central Greenland temperature" is a lie.

Sources or you're utterly full of shit. Also you completely failed to address the rest of my post like the slimy mass reply kike you are.

>>15089789
stop making these threads if you are just going to repost obvious shit. everyone knows climate alarmism is fake. nobody trusts scientists or 'experts' after the covid fiasco.

>>15098752
>that badly shopped graph
Is this the killer evidence from deniers?

>>15099347
>Sources
https://skepticalscience.com/10000-years-warmer.htm

>Also you completely failed to address the rest of my post like the slimy mass reply kike you are.
LOL, you're delusional. I responded to every part of your post, and you failed to respond. It's impossible to tell if you're actually this retarded or pretending to be. Can you clarify?

>>15098695
why didn't they just eat bugs?

>>15099980
Not everyone shares your fetishes.

>global warming is fake
>well ok maybe sea levels are rising but no nations have sunk yet
>well that one place deserved it anyway
kill yourself.

>>15099988
see >>15099980
if tongaians didn't want to get climate changed they should have just lived in the straw pod and eaten the bugs

>>15099633
>i don't understand tides

>>15098350
>>15099633
water a liquid know for never evaporating the entire year over and no relation to rain

>>15100004
correct, you don't understand tides. if the lower image were taken at low tide then there would be a sea wall in the picture to prevent the island being swamped at high tide. nice of you to be so open and honest about your ignorance and lack of perception.

>>15099347
https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg2/downloads/report/IPCC_AR6_WGII_Chapter15.pdf

>>15100040
>if the lower image were taken at low tide
Where did he say it was taken at low tide? Why are deniers so illiterate?

>Picture taken near Björköby, region subject to post-glacial rebound
>The source of the image is literally a thesis "Modeling the land uplifting in Björköby"
Yeah, yet another denialist posting pictures out of context.

>>15098350
https://www.sealevels.org
Click and drag in the plot area to zoom in

>>15100446
https://www.maanmittauslaitos.fi/en/research/interesting-topics/land-uplift

>>15098816
>It's hard to tell if you're trolling or actually this stupid, but sea level rise is not the same everywhere, and two pictures tells you nothing about sea level change since they could be at completely different tides.
>but sea level rise is not the same everywhere
>pictures tells you nothing

Have they fabricated "dark change" yet?

>>15101716
Of you don’t know about basic shit like tectonic uplift

>>15100607
you've been banned for spam advertising that link dozens of times, but you always come back to spam it again anyway. how hard is it for you to figure out that you're unwelcome and unwanted here?

>>15101716
Are you actually going to respond to what I said or just attempt to deflect from your own retardation?

>>15101749
>>15101879

Almost there.

>BREAKING: Scientists Have Just Announced Dark Sea Level Change
>What do COVID deaths, transgender suicides, and gentrification have in common? A lot, according to The Science. Simply because reality does not abide by the squiggly line is no reason to disregard the squiggly line, The Scientists warn. The new Dark Change might have allowed the sea to engulf New York as early as the year 2000, even earlier. Fascist far-right conspiracy theories about breathing air will only...

>>15101990
So it's the latter

>>15092316
what is this supposed to be showing

>>15101990
kek they really do sound like this.

OP's picture has been baked until golden brown

>>15099980
Bugs are for only the rich 1%'s favored pets now. You will eat the slop instead.

>>15092316
The fake news media strikes again.

>>15099633
KEK!
Looks like she has a big dick snaking its way up her ass.
Or else constipated from all that expensive caviar and cheese she eats.

>>15101879
millimeters! oh my KEK! Whatever shall we do??

>>15103069
>>15103072
>>15103073
>>15103077
schizophrenia is a terrible disease

>>15089789
It's not called the Climate Cult for nothing.

>>15103130

>>15091605
You're arguing with a woke bot post, lol.

>>15090824
bot

Retards will cry about global warming and then fight against building nuclear plants.

>>15094817
>The fact that we have likely surpassed peak oil
wrong

>>15104237

>>15089789
>Entire nations wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels

You don't understand this is what's going to happen

>>15104451
>>Entire nations wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels
I just had an orgasm at the thought of that.
Tell us more! There are over 200 nations and nation states. Imma coooooom everywhere!

>>15104234
Because it's not about the climate, it is about the control over the populace.

Fear creates obedience. Typical bully tactics.

>>15103310
Interesting. Once again Alex Jones was right.
I kek'd at the part asking for your email to vote in their stupid little poll. Some zoomers would be dumb enough to do it.

>>15105099

>>15089789
Global warming caused the agricultural revolution, agriculture causes civilization, civilization causes industrialization, industrialization causes global warming.

>>15089789
>Scientific journalism misrepresentation disproves climate change
Jesus Christ.

eat these bugs and send all gold to Israel to stop global warming

>>15103310
Daily reminder that a whole bunch of those retards they've recruited post on 4chan and you can see them operate on this board every day. If you wonder why it's always the same handful of posters defending every CIA narrative under the sun, and why they're so formulaic in their responses, there's your answer. Being a shill is a hobby now.

>>15105954
If your AGW apocalypse fairytale is a real and serious threat, why do journos have to constantly "misrepresent" it? Why did they have to make a whole industry of propagandizing it? Couldn't they just show us the plain truth to scare us into compliance with their carbon tax/climate lockdown/green ghetto schemes? I'm not a climate expert, but when pathological liars and chronic scammers work around the clock to convince me of something, it's safe to assume the thing they're promoting is a lie. No further """science""" needed.

>>15105887
>Global warming caused the agricultural revolution
Proof?

>>15106044
>If your AGW apocalypse fairytale is a real and serious threat, why do journos have to constantly "misrepresent" it?
They don't "have to," most journalists are too stupid and too lazy to report scientific findings correctly. But why did you post a screenshot of accurate reporting of that's your point? Maybe you're also too stupid and lazy to know what's accurate and what isn't.

>I'm not a climate expert, but when pathological liars and chronic scammers work around the clock to convince me of something, it's safe to assume the thing they're promoting is a lie.
An accurate description of AGW denial.

>>15106067
See >>15106040

>>15106067
>heckin' climate blasphemers!!
modern bible thumper

>>15106069
>spams the same retarded denier memes in every thread and gets same responses
>see this proves the conspiracy!!!1

>>15106076
What an idiot, I bet he believes the Earth is round and evolution is real too. What a dumb cultist!

>>15106202
>>15106207
blasphemy accusations are in vogue again, huh? modern bible thumpers

>>15106211
>gets caught lying
>b-blasphemy accusations!!!1

>>15106329
i have no idea what the voices lied to you about. i'm just saying maybe you should stop accusing people of blasphemy if you want to look rational

>>15106332
Where did I accuse anyone of blasphemy? Take your meds.

>>15106347
"denialist" is just your cult's version of "blasphemer". same pattern of usage, same connotations, same thinly-veiled moral outrage

>>15106353
What cult? Scientific facts you don't like are not a religion, retard. What exactly separates your from creationists and flat earthers is this is your only argument?

>>15106358
>What exactly separates your from creationists
so you don't believe in big bang creationism even though all the scientific evidence points to it? why not? do you have a better theory? do you believe in darwinian evolution?

>>15106358
see >>15106353
whether your cult's narrative is a "fact" or not isn't even relevant in this context. your behavior is cult-like

>>15106437
>so you don't believe in big bang creationism
What is big bang creationism?

>do you believe in darwinian evolution?
What is darwinian evolution?

>>15106444
See >>15106358

>your behavior is cult-like
How?

>>15106455
something about the trance you seem to enter into where you repeatedly chant "proof"/"source"/"how" etc. lol

>>15106466
Refusing to explain and prove your beliefs is much more cult-like than asking questions.

>>15106469
>Refusing to explain
i did explain but you're just looping your script. that's okay. i wasn't actually talking to you

>>15089789
>Bro it's not happening, trust the right wing grifters i'm subscribing and financing!

>>15106472
>i did explain
Where?

>>15089789

>>15107834
lol
you think they send death threats over global temperature averages too?

>>15108936
probably. Socialism is a cult.

>>15089789
thats not all thats fake

>>15106508
Nice cherrypicked location.

>>15089789
Tell me something I don't know

>>15110552
So? It's literally nothing. It wasn't real science, the models it was based on weren't real models, and the people who put it up weren't real experts. You chuds constantly try to present random amateurs and journalists and politicians and fake scientists and fake experts as if they have anything relevant to say about Global War... I mean Cimate Cha... I mean Dangerous Weather Variability.

>>15110560
>Global War... I mean Cimate Cha...
It's adopting the George Dubya Bush newspeak. Good job.

>>15111684
>George Dubya Bush newspeak.
I once had a climate cultist argue that it wasn't newspeak, it was actually the Official Scientismic way to say it all along and nobody used the phrase Global Warming.