/sci/ - Science & Math

I cringe

>>15103446

>>15103460
Where's your beard-net, Muhammad?
Some cleanroom.

>>15103498

>>15103506
his hand looks so deliberately placed
as if his only reason for touching the hardware was solely to be spiteful

>>15103525
It was in quotes so not an actual imperative clause.

Space Flight General is like the KPop General of /mu/

>>15103560
Damn. I can't imagine how shit the rest of /mu/ is if their kpop general is the best general on their board.

>>15103498
to be fair, beards are far stronger and don't really fall out

>>15103563
I was being a bit hyperbolic but yeah last time I was there there was like six kpop generals on the board at once because they get filled up so quick. Same with stable diffusion generals on /g/

>>15103506
what the fuck is his problem.

>>15103577
stable diffusion is probably the shittiest echo chamber of retards in /g/ and maybe anywhere.

>>15103577
>last time I was there there was like six kpop generals on the board at once because they get filled up so quick.
I have never been there, but let me guess how these go
some greasy creep starts spamming photos of chinkyplasticbabe #581 and proclaims he love her
then some lisping fatso shows up and proclaims chinkyplasticbabe #361 is WAY more cute and spams some of her photos
this is followed by another genetic dead end, who voices his opinion on armpits of chinkyplasticbabe #1274
over and over

comfy

>>15103602
btw rip to walter cunningham

>>15103597
I just wish this shit could be useful with making pictures of fictional launchers but it doesn't work, I want my realistic looking Ariane 5 Heavy!!!

>>15103611
I tried making cool spaceships, they all look like crap. They only use it to make anime thots with colossal tits over and over again.

>>15103620
it's trained on coomer image databases like gelbooru where every detail is meticulously tagged and curated
if you had a millions pictures of starships with point description of each for AI to train on, you could generate your cool spaceships in same clarity as big titty anime ladies

>>15103642
Kind of sad. I am autistic enough to have pictures of cool spaceships but not nearly a million of them.

>>15103642
you gotta give it to coomer databases, they usually have very good tagging systems which is very good for AI systems

>>15103599
They say they love kpop for the drama, I don't see a lot of drama being talked about there other than the drama of them not being able to sleep with the kpop girls

>2023
>I am forgotten

>>15103684
Isn't it launching with crew in April?

>>15103684
what's this supposed to be?

>>15103705
AI-generated rocket

Hop

fucking

WHEN

>>15103732
within 2 weeks/months/years

>>15103732
every time someone asks, it gets pushed back by two weeks

>>15103732
December

>>15103705
looks like it's made of unfitting ksp parts. The cockpit is nice however.

>>15103684
people are repressing their memory because of how hideous it looks

Space is cool

>>15103709
I was watching from a smaller thumbnail and actually bought that for a second. The wires look like some stock photo artifacts and the tower a bit nonsensical with the wide top.

I want to go to Pandora so bad...

Starlink will go public this year

>>15103446
So how’s the Artemis mission? Also I feel like a space race will happen

>>15103761
post the blue loli

>>15103776
No you sick fuck

>>15103802
why not? she's hot

>>15103560
/sfg/ is superior because we wait for page 10
Have you noticed how many abandoned kpop general threads are littering the /mu/ catalog?

how do you explain this scene

>>15103705
space penis

>>15103642
It's not just porn

>>15103867
The are simply teaching Navi the Kzinti Lesson. Bit of a waste of extremely expensive antimatter but whatever.

>>15103874
It's so ugly

>>15103867
Stunning, actually staggering ignorance regarding spaceflight and basic physics in general on the part of the filmmakers.

Why didn't NASA do this? idgi

>>15103950
Because sacrificing even more astronauts to the shuttle would be a bad PR move.

Star Shuttle

>>15103506
Literally a forced meme. They told him they needed to scrub it down anyway so it didn't matter if he touched it, so they got the camera ready.

Does dark matter permeated all of space or is it denser in some places than others. also does dark matter create space and make space expand that way or does it push on galaxies?

>>15104126
Dark matter = unknown factor that shape galaxy
Dark energy = unknown factor that result in apparent expansion of the universe

>>15103930
It was disappointing that after introducing such an interesting design in the first movie then they decide to do this extremely retarded manouver with them.

>>15104157
Yeah I was retarded while writing that post. I even made a grammar mistake

>>15104158
>extremely long interstellar ship, thin as a rail in parts
>lands on a planet with atmosphere
>vertically
I'm still confused as to just what in the fuck they were thinking, It'd be like if in just one scene a na'vi drove by in a landrover and it was never mentioned again or explained in any way.
What?

>>15103930

>>15103867
they could've holocausted the Navi camp with these but then the movie wouldn't be able to spread the message

There are "people" living in the Oort cloud, if you can call them that

>>15104171
>Oort cloud
Not real.

>>15104172
Its real and its spectacular

>>15103867
It's pretty normal for a Hollywood movie.
They hear the concept of 'drive is a weapon' and then they decide to forget it after showing it once.

>>15104213
-ly empty

>>15103867
With an engine of that power, you could scorch the surface from a trajectory through the upper mesosphere, its just Jimbo wanting the ship & drive plooom impact in the same shot

>>15103930
what's wrong with it? if it's a multi-g capable torch drive why couldn't it just suicide burn down a gravity well? especially when the fate of the landing site's inhabitants is of no concern

>>15103651
I wish there was a booru for space pics. Boomer space databases are always hell to search for retards like me.

>>15103776
>>15103823
how about an one-way rocket trip to the sun?

>>15104245
https://images.nasa.gov/

>>15104259
wow I really want those bill nelson pics

>>15103761
I wanna go to Bespin so bad

>>15104277
Is Yavin IV the first habitable exomoon in film?

>>15104277
>get wasted in cloud city cantine
>lean on a wall to take a piss
>trip
>try to get a grip on a handrail
>remember there are no handrails
>fall 15km into a gas pit with higher pressure than the mariana trench
>lungs collapse while your eyeballs implode on the way down right before you die

>>15104304
I have no idea, maybe the first was in some cheesy older sci-fi that no one remembers.

>>15104318
>lungs collapse
why would they do that?

>>15104328
Pressure on a gas giant is pretty nasty, dude.

>>15104164
It didn't land at all
It slowly entered the atmosphere and lowered down a mobile base from a kilometer up and ascended back up to orbit afterwards

>>15104330
just breathe in to equalize the pressure.

>>15104344
The best part is that you will go unconscious from the lack of oxygen before the effects of the depths get to you.

reminder that the problem with Venus isn't the pressure but the temperature

>>15104374
And corrosion.

>>15104363
I think it would be more like steadily diving into the ocean, except that instead of water you would inhale a (probably) highly toxic high pressure gas. It would depend on many other things but I suspect pressure or toxicity would kill you faster.

reading a bunch o sci fi. Just finished 2001,2010,2061,3001.
Now I'm done with Rama; onto Rama II,III,IV next. Then what? Eyeing King David's spaceship perhaps

>>15103867
PHOTON DRIVE

http://toughsf.blogspot.com/2020/11/nuclear-photon-rockets-flashlights-to.html

>>15104374
[math]pV=nRT[/math]

>>15104389
meanwhile me sitting with 15 books on my desk that I haven't read or have only partially read

>>15104397
Is this a rocket equation?

>>15104374
couldn't in theory an insulated/active-cooled suit made of some ridiculously strong material survive in there?

>>15104389
The Three-Body Problem, I haven't read it yet but supposedly it's pretty good.

>>15104389
>onto Rama II,III,IV next
Temper your expectations, they are quite different. Fuck king jap octospiders did nothing wrong.

>>15104411
sounds like a nice porno

>>15104415
it is.

>>15104415
Idk lol, but read The Gods Themselves, that one is a weird porno by the late great coomer Asimov.

/sfg/ you guys would really like the Xeelee Sequence, at least
>Timelike Infinity
>Ring
>Vacuum Diagrams
Are mandatory reading

>>15104389
You'd better have this on your list or under your belt already.

>>15104078
It's still funny though.
>>15104389
I just read the first book of the Xeelee Sequence, Raft, which is a pretty interesting hard sci fi story about humans trying to live in a universe with slightly different physics. If you don't wanna read hard sci fi you could go the opposite direction and read the Lensman series, super pulpy books about space cops flying around the ether in inertialess ships.

>>15104442
> muh rogg throwing

>>15104449
She’s not wrong with the second part desu

>>15104453
>She
the rest of your post is just as risible

>>15104449
I don't have any interest in what Brian has to say on this or any other matter.
>>15104453
Don't call men 'she'.

>>15104458
>>15104462
Is Brianna Wu a tranny? I thought she was just ugly.

>>15104471
He's a gamergate troon

>>15104471
You need to upgrade your man-radar, anon.
And yeah other anon is right, he dates back to the GG saga, I think he trooned out around that time too iirc.

>>15104471
Just an ugly woman, it's a shitty nu meme to call her trans now

>>15104458
>>15104462
I don’t know who tf Brianna Wu is

https://www.centauri-dreams.org/2022/12/28/chasing-nomadic-worlds-opening-up-the-space-between-the-stars/

>>15104471
anon...

>>15104277
colonising venus should be higher priority then mars imo, much easier for many reasons including faster travel times and no cancer from the sun

>>15104404
in certain layers of the atmosphere you can be outside in just a regular firemans suit probably, as long as it isnt raining acid at that moment

>>15104575
Don't get me wrong, Venus is Kino but:
>You can fall into a horrible death at any moment
>No hydrogen: all your water and rocket fuel needs to be imported
>Absurdly hard to mine the ground
>No SSTO: the rockets would need to be almost as big as Earth rockets, and you need to make them stand in a floating pad somehow

>>15104575
not this again

>>15104547
Mr. Flynn does not understand orbital mechanics or any other form of mechanics for that matter.
Maybe he really was a woman all along?

solar

>>15104389
Personally, I find A.C.Clark's style really dull.
try
Gateway
Pushing Ice
Tales of Pirx the Pilot

https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/01/blue-origin-is-developing-a-space-tug-for-its-new-glenn-rocket/
blue cock ring

>>15104625
>diverse
It's over.

lol

>>15104646
aaand it's gone

>>15103611
you just need to train a textual embedding. You could do it in an hr with ~30 distinct training images if you weren't a brainlet

>>15104646
heres the split on that figure

$2,499,999,997 from the jeff bezos vacation fund
$3 from some dude who bought a BO pen or something idfk

>>15104389
Count to the Eschaton
Three Body Problem
Diaspora
Manifold Time, Space, and Origin

>>15104449
>be china
>see this tweet
>idea.png
>rush LM9 through development
>get men to the surface of the moon in 4 years
>full fledged military base in another 4
>time to show india who is boss
>aim 3 ton boulder at indo china
>drop it
>falls 10m back to the lunar surface
>mfw "100s of nuclear bombs"

>>15104646
Billions to Twitter, pennies to Blue Origin.

>>15104625
that's where the saturn V stored it's computers

>>15104449
>Brianna Wu (born July 6, 1977) is an American video game developer and computer programmer
bruh... who the fuck gives a fuck what this literal nobody thinks

>>15104674
twitter lives rent free on /space fag/s' minds for some reason

>>15104674
No one. He's the internet equivalent of a Denny's shift night manager who never shuts up about the time he threw a touchdown pass at the homecoming game thirty years ago.

...Except instead of a homecoming game it was that time some people disagreed with them on social media back in 2014.

>>15104449
I read first the wired's tweet and I thought for a second we were getting dearmoon2, then I saw the date, goddammit

>>15104705
What would be the point of a dearMoon2? The first one is going to be a disappointment anyway.

>>15104646
Crazy when Starship is estimated to have costed about $5 billion, with half of that being paid for by NASA

>>15104717
>point of a dearMoon2
landing

How is Gwynne pronounced? I always say "gween" in my mind but I'm not sure.

>>15104754
Wow so they can do a stupid party while coughing because of the regolith?

>>15104760
gee win

>>15104760
"Gwynne"

>>15104760
https://youtu.be/1b-vAeYTxRA?t=168

>>15104760
Guh-wayne

>mfw india is going to send a human to space and a rover to the moon both by themselves before europe does

>>15104760
"wine", the g is silent like GNU as in GNU/Linux

>ULA didn't even BID Vulcan for the Sentinel launch
>ESA is going to spend a year doing analysis of the Vega failure

It's really kind of amazing the perfect storm that has developed that makes SpaceX's rockets the only things going to space

I wonder if JAXA is looking at manned launches with the H3? ISRO is working on it right now

>>15104768
>>15104777
>>15104782
retards

>>15104760
Gu as in (go)od job
When as in (when) did you wake up

Gu-when

>>15104798
gu morning

b-bros?

What are your favorite names in space exploration history?
I like Shotwell, it sounds like the name of a sci-fi protagonist.

>>15104810
Armstrong

I mean come on

>>15104810
Nominative determinism is a hell of a drug

>>15104810
Goddard sounds pretty based as well

>>15104817
It gets even better.
>Neil Armstrong
>Neil A.
>.A lieN

>>15104818
I find odd how many good sounding names relevant people have. Maybe it's just that people with bad names get less opportunities because of it.

>>15104818
no such thing, phrenology for names

>>15104826
Predestination is real

>>15104818
born with the name taylor
it's over bros..
guess it explains my homolust

>>15104826
reminds me of that Indian that renamed himself to David Goldstein or something

>>15104778
We are being a bloody superpowers now sirs

>>15104844
INDEIA SUPERPOWER 2030 BASTARD BITCH

>>15104844
poo on mars

>>15104826
I remember a study on child psychology and how kids with uncommon name had a chip on their shuolders and held themselves to higher standard

>>15104854
inb4 X Æ A-Xii Musk

>>15104810
Virgil Ivan Grissom - being named after one of Rome's greatest poets is cool as fuck

>>15104397
Fuck, that has something to do with glasses. I remember it from chemistry in highschool, I think.

>>15104866
I wanna see a Dream Chaser docked to the ISS next to a Dragon, A Soyuz and a Starliner, and anything else that I might not know of.

>>15104872
Starship, space shuttle, Buran, Venture Star

>>15104872
>tfw no Shuttle, Buran and, Hermes docked to the ISS at the same time

>>15104866
For me, it's MAKS

>>15104810
Elon has his name in von Brauns novel right? As a leader of Mars colony

>>15104588
If there were a planet with Earth atmospheric pressure and Venus gravity, could we SSTO? I feel like a 10% drop in the strength of gravity is more significant than it sounds

>>15104885
Even if this was the case, wouldn't still make more sense to use a Falcon 9 style of flight instead of a SSTO carrying the weight of the empty tanks?

>>15104885
The problem with mars is its core. It isn't metallic enough to support a strong magnetic field like earth's. We would have to block a portion of the sun to return Mars's magnetic field to earth levels. Only then could we terraform it

>>15104865
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_Cassiopeiae#Names
>The star was used as an easily identifiable navigational reference point during space missions and American astronaut Virgil Ivan "Gus" Grissom nicknamed the star Navi after his own middle name spelled backwards.
Since our Sun appears as a bright star in Cassiopeia from Alpha Centauri its a nice coincidence that Cameron chose the name Navi for his aliens

>>15104909
Wrong

>>15104909
I think the strat is

>build artificial magnetic field (there have been a bunch of plans for how to do this)
>build factories on Martian surface that do nothing but suck in CO2 and turn it into CFCs
>CFCs are thousands of times more potent as a greenhouse gas
>as Martian atmosphere gets hotter, more CO2 and water vapor outgasses, accelerating the process
>repeat until farming is now possible and you can start seeding the shores of the martian ocean with flora and fauna

>>15104892
Yes

>>15104911
"Researchers believe that Mars once had a global magnetic field, like Earth's, but the iron-core dynamo that generated it shut down billions of years ago leaving behind only patches of magnetism due to magnetised minerals in the Martian crust."

https://www.ill.eu/fileadmin/user_upload/ILL/3_Users/Scientific_groups/Diffraction/Home/mars.pdf

>>15104917
No that's right

This is wrong
>Only then could we terraform it

>>15104920
Without a magnetic field terraforming is literally pointless. The gasses will just escape the atmosphere.

>>15103525
It was probably a joke but somebody here said he was praying over it and I choose to believe that even if it's proven wrong.

>>15104923
After like a million years, its a slow process that can be countered by constant renewal

Before we talk about how to terraform Mars, can we talk first about how would you convince Earth governments and corporations to pay for it?

>>15104923
>>15104937
Build a magnetic shield then.

>>15104340
Oh neat, they did exactly what I thought they would from the trailer screenshot

>>15104943
it's that easy in terraformery

>>15104389
Were 2061 and 3001 any good?

>>15104944
Yeah the scene where they nuke the ground with the engine exhaust is extremely kino
I do wonder how feasible it is though

>>15104923
It loses something like one kilogram of atmosphere per second. That's nothing on human timescales.

I still insist on triggering volcanism on Mars, and got more optimistic after what Insight found out.
How could it be done?

>>15104962
nuke mar's core

>>15104962
Hit it with a giant asteroid, or hell, help Phobos deorbit

>>15104866
dream chaser 2, inflatable boogaloo

Ah cool twitter suffered an api exploit in 2021 that allowed people to resolve e-mail adresses to usernames
Cool now I can go and wipe out a bunch of teenager accounts revolving around a centralized username that has now been tied to my real name
Elon should gas all former twitter employees

>>15104982
Did you forget that Mars has no magnetosphere?

>>15104996
Either nuking doesn't work or the previous nuking was insufficient

>>15104947
Not him but no, they’re not very good

>>15105030
Look, Sri Lankan rent boys want paying, how else could he make bank?

Airship bros… we won

>>15105038
Was it ever in doubt?

>>15105038
flying whales sounds like an insult lmao

>>15104940
Mars will pay for it. The ecosystem of Mars is not a concern for filthy E*rthers

>>15104760
Like "Gawain" but with a female pronunciation.

So Starship with a >100 tons useful payload is *basically* as hard as the old dream of a Rapidly Reusable SSTO with positive payload?

>>15105059
lolno

just take a hundred ton starship and make it wider

>>15103867
POWERED LANDINGS BAD
SPACEX BAD
I HATE ELON MUSK

https://twitter.com/cnunezimages/status/1611498634972897280
>Once upon a time - Image Taken: January 5, 2023
>Sunken boat visible on low tides with a view :)

>>15105059
Starship will have 150 tons to a refueling orbit fully reusable.

>>15105038
>Why don't you just build more spaceports with nearby inferstruct-
>BLIMPS! FLYING WHALES! WE WUZ HINDENBURG N SHEEEEIT.
Giving France a monopoly in the European Space industry continues to be ruinous for all involved.

>>15104389
Undying mercenaries

>>15105074
Yes but like
given ~120 tons of dry mass, and a booster that has a lower S1/S2 mass ratio than F9 (3400/1300 vs 440/110) - so the booster provides <3500 m/s of dV out of 9500 in RTLS, a starship that can put 150 tons into orbit (=while being reusable, is about the same challenge as a Reusable Starship that can put itself into orbit without payload

>>15105069
How the fuck did humans go from huddling around campfires to building interplanetary spacecraft?

>>15105096
Millennia of unprejudiced overkill.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1504020112

>>15104940
The Lunar Industrial Federation and the Manufacturer's Assembly of the Hermetic Sphere will be happy to support ongoing efforts on Mars, no need for the involvement of E*rth

>>15104915
Once that’s done, we will build canals to funnel the water to the deserts.

>>15105082
They're the only country in Europe that actually cares about spaceflight.

>>15105132
Italy continuously tried since the 60s

>>15104777

>>15105038
>letter of intent
>study
Nothingberger. Especially when you consider that they launched their new transport ship, Canopee, a few months ago. Using it in Guiana would be pointless since there's only 16 km between the harbour and the space centre.

>>15105082
I-is that a way of VTVL moving heavy, bulky cargo!? AAAAAH HELP ME GEORGE STEPHENSON I'M GOING INSANE!!!!!

>>15105138
Kek

>>15105145
This ship smells like ESA geographic return corruption

Can any other organism besides humans even comprehend what the fuck space is? Like can a dolphin even understand what space is? A monkey? An elephant?

>>15105157
95% of humans don't get it, lets face it

>>15105157
I'm a dolphin. Please explain what space is.

>>15105157
Dolphins don’t give a shit they just vibe

>>15105157
No because they can't think.

>>15105169
dolphins are so fucking cool

>>15105176
>it's another episode of meat GPTs thinking they have some profound comprehension because they can regurgitate a remix of factoids

>>15105157
Humans only really started to comprehend space by the time of Galileo. Before that it was seem just a background on the sky, with some weird things that move, not a place.

>>15105183

>>15105185
Yeah but surely humans have an innate difference that separates them from everything else. If you took some 14th century peasant into a space ship overlooking the earth he would be awe struck but he might get the concept right away with some simple explaining. If you took a dolphin up in a water-filled space ship don’t think it would know what the fuck was going on. You could fly laika or ham into orbit a hundred times and they wouldn’t think anything different

I remember that one KSP related pic in one of these threads

>>15105208
This one? >>15103395

>>15105213
I know this is 4Chan, but

>>15105038
Naming your company Flying Whales seems like a sure way to keep your company from being treated seriously, as if the numerous failed airship startups before it weren't enough.

https://www.flying-whales.com/
The first thing on their website is a literal flying whale animation, and if you scroll down there's a render of an airship approaching a droneship.

>>15105233
The appropriate level of arrogance for a startup

>>15105233
For me it’s the fact that they just took a hurricane aftermath photo and shooped their blimp in lmao

>>15105233
For the french this is quite restrained. Their natural proclivity as a race is to cover everything in sparkling lights and to insert some kind of innuendo or subversive chic into design, so we got off lightly this time.

>>15105269
This creature is so ugly.

>>15105233
>First thing in the website is a cgi whale flying
>What is the point of sending an airship to a droneship?
>Hell no, they slapped their shipped on the picture of a real disaster
I don't remember the last time I saw a startup of such poor taste lmao.

>>15105096
They put one step in front of the other one.

mr beast should have been on dearmoon, not tim dodd

>>15105096
The shortest version of the story: the agricultural revolution and the archduke of austria getting assassinated by a bosnian serb thus leading to more sophisticated technology

>>15105318
in all likelihood he'll be on dear moon 2: electric boogaloo

>>15105321
it will be called #sincerelysun

Are there any spaceflight books that if I read I will go insane and die?

>>15105330
Bing chilling

>>15105319
WW1 happened because political tensions in Europe, the murder of the archduke was just the spark that started it.

how do i get a job in japan with an aerospace engineering degree?

>>15105096
Some Levantines realized putting seeds in the ground can create food.
It's a exponential. Technological development took a long, long time. But once farming and writing - *BOOM* - we're unstoppable.

>>15104389
Blindsight by Peter Watts is an amazing book.

>>15105350
Limited farming was much older than the Neolithic agricultural revolution And sédentarisation, but it was used complementary to Hunter gathering.

>>15105346
are you the same guy from before who wants cheap robot figures?

>>15105361
yes

>>15105354
Yeah, there's definitely been a lot of research into this. And in the couple of millennia leading up to the Neolithic there is evidence of incidental farming.
But it seems very hit and miss. You'd farm for a bit, but then stop. It wasn't the full knowledge of being a planter society. I'd imagine they had trouble understanding planting seasons, etc. Every city kid thinks farming is just throwing seeds into the ground, but it's more than that.
You need to know the perfect time to reap your crops take them too early or take them too late and your decrease yield size; shit like that.

There is evidence that certain areas in the Levant had such a perfect environment - animals and plants aplenty - that they were actually sedentary before the neolithic.

>>15104397
the fact that the temperature is dependent upon the pressure is unrelated. What he meant was that the pressure is manageable with current technology while the temperature is not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj_QURn9HKs

123 fully loaded semi trucks worth of weight

>>15105397
this guy is such an ameriphile it's sickening

>>15105399
https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/american-and-you-guys-among-words-considered-harmful-by-stanford-group/

>>15105399
what did you mean by this

>>15105169
>>15105179
Dolphins will attempt to rape anything with a pulse, humans included

>>15105474
A majority of the last 10,000 years of human history is the same. They aren’t so different, them and us

>>15105474
scientifically speaking, without a consent decree written between two adults and approved by the courts, everything is rape

>>15105545
retard

>>15105545
It certainly is with dolphins, they can't sign shit the rapey retards.

>>15104126
Dark matter is just a large amount of Dyson Spheres which would always be undetectable to us

>>15105551
stop raping me

>>15105554
>there are more dyson spheres in the universe than there are visible stars

>>15105558
If a civilization was able to build a Dyson Sphere they would be able to build it at scale. Probably a single probe you’d send to the system that can make copies of itself until you have a massive swarm that can utilize the resources of the bodies there to make the structure. In a couple hindered years you can move in a trillion or so residents

>>15105555
hahah

so how is asteroid mining going to really work? will you need to probe each one or use a fly by with some kind of ground penetrating radar? do some minerals pop off radar or something. Like let's say you want to find an asteroid full of gold would it just be by luck?

>>15105610
I guess a scanning probe would be sent before operations start, but the issue with asteroid mining is still how to bring it all back to earth while still being economically viable.

>>15105610
Ping it with dolphin rapedar

>>15105615
I still don't see why dropping it in small chunks wouldn't work. do it in the outback who gives a fuck. I'd assume by the time we are doing asteroid mining then there would be enough falcons floating around in space to fill up for return trips. Obviously the majority of whatever is mined would stay in space but I dunno I still think if you could 10x the supply of titanium it makes sense to return a bunch of it to earth

>>15105625
Even with a best case scenario, dirt cheap starship you’d still be losing a fuck load of money by breaking up asteroids and sending them back to earth. You’d get more money selling it by the gram for the novelty of being pristine asteroid material than you would processing it and selling the metal. If you can’t process in space then there’s no point

Bros I just want sheared flow stabilized Z pinch propulsion…

>>15105648
Nah I want that schizo paper with the guy who claimed he had a device that could create muons on-demand to be true

>>15105651
I’m thinking of the relativistic drive, if anyone is curious. I just remembered the name right now
The point is mute though I really just want a starship orbital attempt at this point

>>15105643
>fuck load of money
that doesn't seem quite true. Let's say you've gone the route of only using a starship to return the minerals. Presumably the starship was always going to return to earth so it has enough propellent to do so. So as long as worth of the minerals are more than the cost of additional propellent to do a return then it works. Could be completely unviable though now that I think about it since I have no idea if say a fully loaded starship would need a full tank to safely bring the load back. But like I said just throw small asteroid chunks to the outback who cares

>>15105648
was that the emdrive? give me emdrive updates bros

>>15105663
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a35991457/emdrive-thruster-fails-tests/
oh RIP but then again this could be just another time (((they))) lied to keep us from the stars

>>15105660
>Presumably the starship was always going to return to earth so it has enough propellent to do so.
The mineral payload would increase the mass that needs to be brought down.
I'm sure they will arrange Starship flights so that the fuel for landing back will be kept to a minimum for the sake of keeping the payload mass as high as possible.

>>15105668
>The mineral payload would increase the mass that needs to be brought down.
yeah if you uh read the next sentence you would have seen me say that. honestly your whole post seems like a chatgpt one from how empty it is

>>15105675
I'm just so tired of meme futurism here.

>>15104982
>ancient civilization on Mars attempted to halt the atmosphere loss and re-terraform Mars, but failed and ended up turning the planet into a barren rock. Their last hope was to send a gene seed to earth in hopes that it may be livable one day.

>>15104760
What the fuck were all those replies? Learn IPA, you fucking monkeys. It's /ɡwJn/, by the way.

>>15105579
If they can build a trillion trillion Dyson Spheres why the fuck would they even build them in the first place? When they could likely build a trillion universes at this point

>>15105686
That uppercase "j" is actually this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-close_near-front_unrounded_vowel, this shit won't even display the character correctly.

>>15105686
>how is it pronounced?
>like this shit two people on Earth know how to pronounce
wow thanks

>>15105686
>>15105688
So it's just gwen then?

>>15105698
The near-close near-front unrounded vowel is like the "i" in "it", or "lit", "bit", etc; so similar to those words. The "e" in Gwen is more like the "e" in "end", or "bed". All in all a very cool name, same as Elon. Tom Mueller should've had a more unique name as well, shame.

>>15104760
>>15105686
It's pronounced like this.

>>15105690
Kek

>>15105615
You only bring finished goods back to earth. It's over for wellwallas

>>15105690
Good luck learning Martian dialect in the future.

So is that Starship thing gonna happen or...?

Luna 27 is shit, how fucking long does it take to build a basic ass lander come on. Oh also it’s launching on an Angara A5, a rocket that has only launched three times; all of them test missions. The most recent (2021) test had an upper stage failure.

I love nasa and I love America

I remember when the Russians and 3rd worlders were laughing at us when Artemis was delayed again and again.

But you know what? You will never go to the moon. You will never have a space station. You will never walk on the moon. yenisei will never fly. You will never achieve nuclear propulsion. You will never have cheap access to space. You will never mind the asteroids

America is the only country with the capabilities to send man to the moon and beyond. SLS, Starship and more will make sure of this

>>15105716
>Angara A5
Basically a Long March 5 but expensive, gay, and anemic past LEO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx2tYSNXCp4

>>15105716
Would be funny if Luna 27 fails and ispace's lander nails it on the first try.

>>15105727
God this guy is so reddit

Whatever happened to this lol

https://twitter.com/inbarspace/status/1353314885145395202?s=46&t=kcdwaERgY85JmBbcVkg0eQ

>>15105750
I was thinking of this like 3 days ago damn

>>15105698
It's "Gwinn"

This model from the manual of the first Star Fox game looks very cool, what do you guys think?

>>15105781
Something's wrong with the g-diffuser.

>>15105700
>Tom Mueller should've had a more unique name as well, shame.
true
But still better than Bob fucking Smith
Look at him, even his face looks bland and featureless
You will forget how he looks the minute you look away.
It's like a joke character you would create if you wanted to emphasise how unremarkable BO is when writing a script.
And then scrap the idea because that's too on the nose.

the aliens are here, they are
>>15105829
theyre building space tugs, nuclear drives, space stations, oneill cylinders...they are an amazing company

>>15105684

>>15105829
I legitimately thought it was some kind of troll a couple years ago on wikipedia when I saw that """""Bob Smith""""" is the CEO of Blue Origin and not Bezos
he's so invisible
probably a test tube experiment from the MIC

What is the net worth of the average sfg anon ?
>24, 80k, male

>>15105789
Use the boost to get through

>>15105843
Do you want my credit card password too?

>>15105833
>oneill cylinders
These are cucktubes designed to confine mankind to this solar system. I fully expect that ayylmao sleeper agents are behind them.

>>15105843
5k

>>15105843
9 1M male

>>15105843
>51, 140B, male

>>15105843
24 to all

>>15105843
35, 35K, male

>>15105862
anon you can't post on 4chan while being in elementary school

What can NASA actually do on the Moon?

>>15105233
Did one of you fucks make this website, it can't be real right?

>>15105233
>hauling three logs
This seems like a job for superblimp

>>15105911
Be bullied over the radio by the SpaceX crew already living there in their moonbase.

>>15105474
if it doesn't have a pulse it's just masturbation

>>15105240
>thank god..
>we're saved!
>the flying whale is here

>>15104389
I would simply ignore the Rama books past the first. They are shit - pure shit. They don't add anything.
Try The Martian if you haven't, or Project Hail Mary from the same author (Andy Weir). If you are feeling like reading something bad but still interesting, Artemis also from Andy Weir.

>>15105959
Big blimbing in Venus.

>>15105959
The issue with airships is there are no really impermeable lightweight gas membranes yet, so they have to be refilled every so often.

>>15105346
Stop letting your soul be weighted down by gravity.

>>15105615
You don't bring materials back to earth, you use it to build and maintain orbital solar farms that beam energy to earth.
There is no real shortage of raw materials on earth, but there is a shortage of 24h, zero infrastructure green energy and a limit to the amount of land people are willing to give up to solar panels.

>>15106016
You can start off like satellite internet, initially servicing remote locations, moving vehicles and the military.
At this stage everything is launched from earth on a starship like system.

Then you would start building infrastructure to provide station keeping propellant and some replacement parts in situ, this can reduce costs and allow you to target a wider market.
Eventually with enough far sighted investment you can get to the point where you are building the panels/mirrors themselves in space, with gathered materials and you can snowball to providing most of the world's energy needs.

>>15105615
The way to bring minerals to E*rthers is at hyperfast speed, directly onto their stinking, degenerate cities.

>>15103867
Hilariously stupid.
It’s like they saw the Mars Lander and said “We should do that!!”
Even though it makes no sense and is retarded.

>>15103874
So design a spaceship that looks like a VAGINA and see how well it flys. Kek.
Same with guns, Simon Pegg is a dumb fuck.

>>15106099
It's to turn the audience against self landing rockets. They'll see a SpaceX landing and their little NPC brains will be triggers

>>15105985
I'm so glad Project Hail Mary was actually good, what the fuck was he thinking when he wrote Artemis.

>>15105829
>Bob Smith
>boring name
>formerly CEO at GM
>boring past
What's next, a soft drinks CEO running a computer company?

>>15106016
>pic
more like middle managers with budgets arrived

>>15106135
More like have you tried to drive 60mph on a cobblestone road.

>>15106138
okay urfer

>>15103446
/sfg/ official song:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nW0APjXRckw

stupid faggots never even used a nuclear rocket baka

>>15103596
He's a fucking traitor that should be hang and eviscerated ala Hannibal

>>15103867
Scorched earth tactics

>>15104389
DON'T read the Rama sequels, they fucking suck.
Recommended: Blindsight, Tales of Pilot Pirx and More Tales of Pilot Pirx, Eden,The Invincible, Fiasco, Space Revelation.

>>15106170
>Recommended: Blindsight
Good, but Blindsight sequel also sucks

>>15105068
Spitting straight fact rn fr fr ong no cap

>>15106127
I feel like you're referencing someone, but don't know who.

>>15104496
no its not retard

>>15105233
I don't see why people whine about this so much, it would be based if this worked out

Just discovered this foss app on fdroid which lets you sub to twooter without making an account. https://f-droid.org/packages/com.jonjomckay.fritter/
Please hook me up with some astronomy and spaceflight twooter accounts. Onegaishimasu.
Here have this anime girl.

good morning sfg

>>15106343
Is it?

>>15105233
Is this like a Gojira tribute? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-XaaTqOICU

>>15105686
Imagine needing a whole separate alphabet just for explaining how things are pronounced

>>15103596
>refuses to even be in the same room as thots
>wants to electrocute homosexuals
>doesn't give a fuck what anyone thinks, even the sitting president, his running mate
clearly his only problem, if he has one, is being too based

>>15103690
What year?

>>15103599
you forgot the worst part: they avatarfag, larp and generally treat threads like a private chat room (while simultaneously being disgusting human beings no one would want to talk to)

Exciting 3 days
Next: Falcon Heavy

Looks like they have finished testing the clamps.
There is also a long road closure on the 9th, from 2AM to 5PM. Looks like they might try to roll out B7 and do a full stack in one go, of course, unless they cancel it.

>>15106456
Meanwhile, in Florida.
SpaceX is preparing to assemble the chopsticks and carriage for the second tower.

>>15104411
I have to wait until my Chinese is a little better

>>15104453
Have you seen astronauts jumping and falling on the moon? Weird how they don't fall straight to earth and explode like thermonuclear weapons, isn't it?

>>15104496
>retarded faggot
many such cases

>>15106461
you would think they'd want to test them in a real landing scenario in boca before attaching this in florida

>>15105847
> technology that allows us to live in any exosystem not just the very rare ones with suitable planets
> people used to living in them and don't mind if the one they're in is flying between stars
>ITS A XENO PLOT TO CONFINE HUMANS!!

Flacon Heavy

>>15105038
Makes so much sense finally someone does it, transport by plane is lame

>first commercial heavy cargo blimp lift is spacecraft components from Europe to Guianan

baseddd

>>15105911
Definitively prove the giant impact theory.

The actual big one is refining the timeline of moon formation and the late heavy bombardment, because the chronology of the entire solar system is derived from lunar isotope ratios and crater counting

>>15106510
Name sucks though, should be Sky Whale

>>15105038

>>15106194
Bad to hear it, it has potential to go full interstellar conflict.

>>15106516
That is a cooler name.

>>15106484
Supposedly the tower at LC-39A won't be used for catching the rocket, because they made chopsticks that are much shorter. Moreover, they are building sections for the third tower, which might only catch the rockets.
It could be as well a design optimization, but nobody knows for sure.

>>15105038
all this to avoid nigger pirates? just shoot them lol

>>15106548

>>15104798
I can't tell if it's gwehn or gwihn, but it's basically indistinguishable in American English at a normal talking speed

>>15104844
milk rover just arrived
open crater

>>15105038
Couldn't they at least learn Gouraud shading?

>>15104760
Goo (as in goo goo gah gah)
wayne (as in bruce wayne)

>>15106554
Gwynne; Guh-win-ne

>>15104868
Only holds for ideal glasses

>>15106550
There's only one solution to freight taking to the skies.

Will Mars be like Borderlands?

>>15106572
i think they'll be safe
https://youtu.be/0h_cqTCT5g0

>>15106574
It will be like Antarctica

>>15106586
This

>>15106574
it will be like Jamestown (80% deaths, ultimately a failure)

>>15106586
Can we have raider gangs tho

>>15106586
Reliant on offworld supplies for the foreseeable future? That's what I thought as well.

>>15106613
Antarctica has gay fag laws preventing resource extraction.

I'm worried about the financial situation for starship.
SpaceX seem to be betting the farm on rapid re-flights, their starship model depends on regular flights and mass production of ships and engines to really drive down the costs, since that is what is believed to be necessary to make mars settlement viable.

However there is no market for this amount of space launch capacity, and mass producing starships and operating multiple complex launch sites will be costly.
I understand that starlink 2 is intended to effectively subsidise starship in the early phases, giving it regular launches, but starship will be in a tenuous situation during the early years as a market for mass space launch materialises.
It's overall quite a risky plan, much more so than falcon 9 was (and this was already too risky for oldspace) and it makes you understand why Blue-origin only wants to build a couple launch vehicles to start with and operate much less frequently, the risks are much lower.
Worth remembering that this whole starship plan came into existence at a time when debt was much cheaper, most economists seem to be now predicting a prolonged period of high interest rates similar to the 1970s.

>>15106622
>SpaceX seem to be betting the farm on rapid re-flights
They're not, lmao. It's a long-term goal.

>>15106622
Starship has lower marginal cost per launch than falcon 9 you fucking moron. itcould launch the exact payloads as falcon and make more money

>>15106016
that is misleading, cobblestone wasnt the base layer, there was fine sand on top

>>15106622
It’s rocket lab who’s betting the farm on rapid reusability, if anything
Shotwell has already addressed this and said it won’t bust the bank and that there will be a growing period. The only time I imagine it will be a problem is with HLS depot refueling but I imagine they will just supplement it with multiple rocket launches (of different starships) instead of one superheavy/tanker NEEDING to do multiple flights within a few month’s time span

>>15106170
Revelation Space kind of falls off at the end

>>15106627
this is also a long term goal

>>15106016
Miningbros
When will we corecrack our first planetoid?

>>15106632
rocket lab isnt betting anything. theyre probably the most risk averse of all all launch companies, and as a result they are the most heavily diversified. they could probably lose launch as a revenue stream and still survive building satellites, tugs, or other aerospace components

>>15106622
SpaceX determined that they could achieve Gen2 capabilities in the same form factor as Gen1, with the caveat that the coverage map per satellite per cell would be reduced simply due to laws of physics and physical surface area of the antenna. They recently submitted an application to the FCC for license grants for launch of these new Gen2 satellites. Those will alleviate bandwidth concerns and improve connectivity/reduce latency/improve subscription growth in the near future. SpaceX has about 8-10 Starlink Gen2 launches planned for this year on Falcon 9. That's another 480-600 more satellites into variable shells in LEO.

The 7m wide Starlink satellites which were originally meant for Gen2, will likely be transitioned over into Gen3 when Starship is more commonly operational.

>>15106644
Damn I wish I lived in la la land like you hahaha

>>15106653
not saying they wont shrivel up like cold testicles. survive doesnt mean thrive. i've already made bank shorting the stock

>>15106658
Ah fair enough sorry for being a dick about it

WIndowsbros...

>>15106624
SpaceX are currently building one starship a month, that's 1000+ tons of expendable capability
SpaceX launched 400 tons into orbit last year total and a significant portion of that was starlink.
So already before even launching a single rocket to orbit and without re-usability assumed starship production is dwarfing the existing launch market.

>>15106627
Only assuming high launch rates, rocket factories and GSE don't operate for free, they still cost money even if you don't launch rockets.

>>15106672
moral: keep chasing your dreams

>>15106674
Spacex is not anywhere fucking close to one ship a month

>>15106672
They announced they intended on making the manned variant a while ago, for orbital reef (scam station) I believe

Post random ass /sfg/ posts that live rent free in your head for no reason
>Anon who said dreamchaser is probably the most CGId space ship of all time
>Anon who asked how boomers always have a perfect shave
>drunk OmegA anon

>>15106683
>>15106675
I mean no windows anymore

It doesn't look as cool anymore

We riot

>>15106689
it's a flying coffin

>>15106678
That was their short term goal, I guess they've slowed down because overall development progress has been bottlenecked by OFT.

>>15106687
the anon who posted about male breastfeeding on mars. it sends chills down my spine because i had a dream about it and it might actually happen

>>15106687
The other one from /tfg/
I know you're here, fucker

>>15106687
public masturbation

>>15106687

Why is JPL director a woman? How did it come to this?

>>15106622
>there is no market for this amount of space launch capacity -
-at current prices.

>SpaceX is building a dock at Rio Grande river
https://youtu.be/dXKEAWhI_EQ

>>15106739
they arent allowed to do this though?

>>15106739
The fuck is this rio grande shit. Are they asking the cartels to take potshots at whatever they are floating?

>>15106746
According to whom?