/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15104046
If the vaccine caused a heart problem in you, then the virus would have killed you. That's the consensus in that thread

>>15104067
How do you prove a counterfactual?
Are vaccines some kind of religion now?

>>15104100
The reasoning is pretty clear. The same spike protein which caused the myocarditis is present in greater amounts in the actual viral infection.

>>15104067
>If the vaccine caused a heart problem in you, then the virus would have killed you. That's the consensus in that thread
That's a terrible consensus. The immune system may have handled the virus while it was still in the respiratory tract. The vaccine is guaranteed to result in the spike protein circulating through the blood stream.

>>15104110
>The same spike protein which caused the myocarditis is present in greater amounts in the actual viral infection.
Blood results don't bear this out.

>>15104215
Where do you see that?

>>15104100
>Are vaccines some kind of religion now?
its a similar psychoconditioning style as baptism.
>undergoing it inducts you into a tribe
>its a traumatic event
>cant be undone
huge sunk cost fallacy, to admit the other causes to much psychological distress, so they'll keep on coping

>>15104100
>Are vaccines some kind of religion now?
No, but this insistence that literally everything bad that has happened after 2020 is caused by the vaxx appears to be one.

>>15104067
Typical dephi technique control by manufactured consensus

ALL THESE VAXXIES ARE GONNA GET HEART ATTACKS JACK

YOU FOLLOWED THE RULES, AND LOOK WHERE THAT GOT YOU VAXXIE, SLUGE IN YOUR BLOOD, JEWISH mRNA CODE IN YOUR CELLS, AND SPIKE PROTEIN IN YOUR BRAINS BROTHER

YOU SHOULDA LISTENED TO ME BROTHER
IM 70 YEARS OLD.
I DID SOMAS, STERIODS, AND TOOK BUMPS FOR 50 YEARS AND MY HEART IS PERFECTLY FINE DUDE BECAUSE I SAID MY PRAYERS AND DIDNT GET VAXXED DUDE.

YOU ZOOMIE ARE IN YOUR 20s AND 30s AND ARE KICKIN THE BUCKET BECAUSE A TENNIS MATCH DUDE.

SO WHATCHA GONNA DO VAXXIES!?!?

>>15104067
>damage control

>>15104239
a small poke and a sore arm is hardly traumatic

>>15104067
Too bad there's no virus.
I won't get to die with you goylems :(

>>15104313
Hearts attacks are pretty traumatic.

>>15104324
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8oM-fq07Ik

>>15104110
Think about it anon, you have 2 drugs, one goes in your mouth, the other gets injected... you know which one is going to be in the body in a higher level....

Oooh vaxxieeeeeees

>>15104067
there is no covid faggot

>>15104226
Detection of spike protein and sub units in the infected:
https://academic.oup.com/clinchem/article/66/12/1562/5902449

Detection of spike protein and sub units in the recently vaccinated:
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/74/4/715/6279075

Mean levels of s1 sub unit (the part that binds to ACE2 receptors) were similar between groups, but detected in nearly all of the vaccinated. Additionally, they primarily studied those who were hospitalized. Other studies indicate viral antigens aren't even detectable in the majority of the infected.

Everyone, there is no need to panic.
The spike protein is not a prion and does not induce prion-like agglomerations when it reaches the brain. The spike protein does not pass the blood-brain barrier.
Everything is fine.

>>15104324
I dont recall a heart attack after being baptized

>>15104499
cow

>>15104506
You're soul died after the satanic baptism.
That's worse than an heart attack.

>>15104046
I remember when the scientists and politicians promised it never left the shoulder. Just another lie.

>>15104514
Enough with the antisemitism.
Get boosted, human friend.

>>15104517
I will never give up my antismegmatism.

>>15104518
Ah, so you're circumcised.
Very good first step towards israeli acceptance.

>>15104521
>Ah, so you're circumcised.
>Very good first step towards israeli acceptance.
Kek'd. Extra funny because I'm Israeli and uncircumsized.

>>15104525
Are you palestinian?

>>15104313
Metal phallus penetrating the body, if you switch arm with vagina it becomes all to clear.
Its the unspoken, subconscious pathology that is traumatizing, remember these individuals for the most part were coerced under threat of losing their jobs, education opportunites and exclusion from public life. The state, which has the monopoly on violence, was beating this drum. In reality a gun was to their head and the rapist was 'asking' to phallate pfizer phallus

>>15104210
i dont get the worry over spike proteins in the blood, its literally just a fake "key" the virus uses to go into cells and infect them, if the virus isnt there it cant do anything

>>15104528
No, and I think they're all circumcized, too.

if it's been years since i got the jab, i shouldnt be at risk right? the vaccine made me sick as hell for a few days after i got it and i don't plan on getting another

>>15104542
you will die in two weeks

>>15104541
Are you a jew? I thought even secular jews do it.

>>15104110
>The same spike protein

>>15104554
can you explain what a spike protein is and how it works?

>>15104554
I'm pretty low IQ but I've saved a couple of anon posts on the topic. Seems like they are different spikes to me.

Free floating S1 sub unit which has been cleaved and is now free to interact with ACE2 receptors. No nucleocapsid detected, indicating it's of vaccine origin.

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/74/4/715/6279075
>Temporal profiling of SARS-CoV-2 antigens and antibodies were acquired using Simoa assays as previously described [6, 7], providing data on 15 markers to monitor antigen production and immune responses on each participant (Supplementary Figures 2–14). The Simoa antigen assays for spike, S1, and nucleocapsid were previously validated in plasma from pre-pandemic healthy subjects, pre-pandemic patients with respiratory infections, COVID-19 negative patients, and COVID-19 positive patients [7]. Authors detected S1 and N in 64% of COVID-19 positive patients, and S1 levels were significantly associated with disease severity. Here antigens S1 and spike were measured to probe mRNA translation, whereas nucleocapsid antigen served as a negative control (Figures 1A, B, C, Supplementary Table 5). After the first 100-µg dose, the mRNA-1273 vaccine produced detectable levels of S1 antigen in plasma in 11 participants, and spike antigen was detected in 3 of 13 participants. Nucleocapsid antigen was undetectable or at background levels in all participants after both injections, as expected.

Detection of spike protein and sub units in the infected:
https://academic.oup.com/clinchem/article/66/12/1562/5902449

Mean levels of s1 sub unit (the part that binds to ACE2 receptors) were similar between groups, but detected in nearly all of the vaccinated. Additionally, they primarily studied those who were hospitalized. Other studies indicate viral antigens aren't even detectable in the majority of the infected.

https://www.invivogen.com/sars2-spike
>S1 binds to ACE2 through its RBD

>>15104550
Depends who you ask. My grandfather is a jew, so Hitler says yes but the rabbi says no. My mom was nice enough not to mutilate my dick. :)

>>15104561
if covid ever existed it would have evolved a different spike protein over 2 years ago

the vaccine now does nothing but cause blood clots lmao

>>15104577
I agree the vaccines suck I'm just saying that anyone who tries to argue that this shit is caused by the covid spike too is wrong. I am very low IQ though but I'm not dumb enough to take the jab.

>>15104566
the nazi attitude to jews was weird, they had a hundred thousand of them in the army

>>15104605
They also had meth-head pilots and Muslim SS units. It's like the prison part of American History X.

I havent taken the clotshot but im scared of getting the spike through shedding or covid. How do I detox from the spike?

Myocarditis was 4 cases per million. Now after vaccinations it is 25,000 per million. WHAT???? ‘The vaccine is killing people…’

https://twitter.com/cuttheshite/status/1611046072864112641?cxt=HHwWgoDUncP3ytssAAAA

>>15104651
What do you think about this? Theres a huge jump in the numbers for myocarditis and pericarditis go on 2020 compared to 2019 and the vaccines weren't even out yet, was it covid? What was it?

>>15104651
>>15104658
Sorry, forgot to link the video
https://youtu.be/26zP0YhEdmg

>>15104658
I think its kino. If it isn't a nothingburger its a vaxcattleburger. Normal people aren't impacted by it.

>>15104110
>Everyone has the same immune system
Do NPCs really believe this? You can't compare the viral load in one vaxxed person to an unvaxxed person. You need a twin study to make the claim you are.

>>15104664
Look at the video>>15104661, the jump in myocarditis and pericarditis is before the vaccine was introduced. Im not vaxxed but I have fears of Covid akso causing this same shit

>>15104695
interesting. i think a lot of ppl did exercise when they had covid so maybe that fucked ppl. either that or we're all fucked (including vaxcattle)

>>15104100
>Are vaccines some kind of religion now?

Their religion is 'authority'.

>>15104670
>Do NPCs really believe this?

By definition, NPCs aren't capable of questioning their false consensus.

This is the cycle:
1. A group of social engineers comes up with some new lie
2. Test it in a focus group to make sure it gains traction (Asch Conformity Experiment highly relevant)
3. Spam it Everywhere
4. Profit!

>>15104046
You were right by accident. Get over it.

>>15104067
>consensus

>>15104539
>i dont get the worry over spike proteins in the blood, its literally just a fake "key" the virus uses to go into cells and infect them
Sort of. While the S1 binding to cells doesn't result in new viral particles, it does cause inflammation and potential clotting. It's probably a matter of quantity, and low levels may not be a huge concern. The bigger issue is how many of the LNPs reach circulation. In some people, they may primarily enter cells in the shoulder to deposit the mRNA payload, which was the goal. In others, if a blood vessel is hit or there's capillary leakage, the LNPs will disseminate and transport the mRNA to cells away from the shoulder. Now you have a double whammy because you're likely going to see a larger amount of S1 sub units in circulation, as well as having cells targeted by the immune system for apoptosis that are unable to regenerate (i.e. myocardium of the heart).

As for actual infection, higher numbers of S1 are associated with disease severity, though it's hard to say if the spike and S1 in the blood stream is the actual culprit, or if it's a matter of very high viral load resulting in more spike and S1 reaching circulation.

>>15104577
>if covid ever existed it would have evolved a different spike protein over 2 years ago
It's evolved substantially.

>>15104816
Unvaxxed here. Im afraid of catching the spike protein from vaxxies shedding it or from covid. What things can I do to detox the spike or prevent it from entering and attaching into the ACE2 receptors? My two brothers are vaxxed and I live with them so im paranoid

>>15104539
Isn't the protein what triggers a lot of inflammation that can damage several things?

>>15104067
It's so much worse than that

>>15104067
we've got a real philosopher here

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KuUDZi-qOPU

>>15104605
That's because there was no holocaust, the nazis were jew-financed and full of jewish officers, and basically they're the children of the god of this world and so are promised dominion over it.

>>15104067
>If the vaccine caused a heart problem in you, then the virus would have killed you.
kek, I love their cope.

>>15104110
>The same spike protein which caused the myocarditis is present in greater amounts in the actual viral infection.
Nope, OPPOSITE of what you said.

>>15105052
>That's because there was no holocaust, the nazis were jew-financed
Kinda true. Jews were behind the Holocaust, and killed off millions of other Jews that the rich elite Jews didn't like.
Holocaust was a Jewish cultural in-fighting war.

That's why so many Jews like George Soros were directly involved in the Holocaust, as actual members of the NSDAP, and helped perpetrate it.

>>15105166
No, there was no holocaust.
Even the current 200k figure is a lie.

>>15104046
I didn't take it because people here said it's obviously fucked up, in a smart and conclusive way - then I saw the states forcing people and the whole thing being draconian so I just knew.

>>15105174
There is a much larger Holocaust going on right now in China. China government has murdered over 40 million people in the last 2 years.
Makes the Germans look like the lazy inefficient butt-obsessed faggot krauts they are, if the chinks can so easily outdo them like this.

>>15105182
>>15105166
>t. kike trying to shove his holocaust story through the back door

>>15105187
>shove through the back door
^closet leftist troon seething

>>15105190
>look, i even have troons just like you goys!
Kike.

>>15105205
People still say kike? Isn't that a boomer insult that was invented by the jews to make the goys like you think you are insulting them? kek

Make up a new insult for the rat-nose people moron.

Oy vey, can yall kindly stop with the antisemitism or I will have to report yall to adl on twitter!!! The vaccines are safe and effective. Get boosted! The science has long been settled. Don't believe these new studies by neonazis. Literally shakin-ACK

>>15105207
>the kike's desperation intensifies

>>15105212
kek

>>15104861
I personally wouldn't worry about shedding from the vaccinated. You might end up with an irritated nose, the rest will be thoroughly denatured by stomach acid. Outside of sexual intercourse, I don't see it being much of a threat, it's unlikely to reach your blood stream simply from inhaling a tiny amount.

In terms of actual infection, just take care of your health, get outside and exercise, take vitamin D if you don't get much sun, eat well, and have some nasal spray on hand if you get sick (Xlear or Betadine Cold Defense). I'm a believer in zinc lozenges as well. I used the lozenges and nasal spray when I had covid and only had 36 hours of fever, and avoided the throat and sinus/smell issues that so many have complained about. If/once you get covid, you can take a baby aspirin and/or proteolytic enzymes (Lumbrokinase, Serrapeptaste, or Nattokinase) for a few months which will degrade any clots and keep the blood moving.

>>15105155
>If I wasn't vaccinated, I would have been so much worse!
>I'm in the hospital, but without the vaccine I may have died!
>I'm in heaven now, but without the vaccine I may have gone to hell!

>>15105166

I Think you people would be better worth asking than people at /poll/. I have been getting vaccines my whole life but I have been holding out on the covid-19 vaccines. Is the novavax safer than the mrna ones? I am being coerced by my employer at this point and because I live in an at-will state I will get fired if I don't get vaccinated.

>>15105352
Additionally,

if I do get it, what are some ways I can prevent myself from having negative side effects? I don't care if the vaccine is completely invalidated by whatever I do. I really don't care about any supposed health benefits I just want the piece of paper so I can continue to put food on my table.

>>15105378
If you get it, you're getting it. Psyop done, you lost. There's no magic pill that will stop it from injuring you, and there's no regimen of supplements you can take to unvaccinate yourself.

>>15105381
Alright. Is the novavax safer than the MRNA ones though? Because the psyop of homelessness is gunna suck.

>>15105389
There's very little relevant safety data, but if they're being truthful about the contents of the shots then it provides the lowest contact period with spike proteins.

If you can get a nasal spray instead of an injection that's better than any of the above, though it will still more than likely destroy your immune response.

>>15105394
I don't think there any nasal ones where I live. Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't the novavax expose me to one wave of the spike proteins whereas the mrna vaccines would cause my cells to continuously produce these spike proteins? What makes this also capable of destroying the immune response? And would that be to just covid or all disease in general?

>>15105403
>What makes this also capable of destroying the immune response?
By sensitizing you to an immunoglobin 4 immune response to the virus. If you never take another shot for the rest of your life, it might be something you can recover from, but if your work is mandating you take one won't they put you on the treadmill to take another one every time there's a "booster"?

Also you should find out if they even allow you to take novavax as your only shot. Many places only allow it as a booster shot, not as an initial shot. They may demand you to take an mRNA one anyway.

>>15105418
they're allowing a "complete" dosage of novavax with two injections but it can be spaced out. After that they said they don't require boosters. Is there anything else I can do to better my chances? I heard having some alcohol in my bloodstream at the time of injection could denature some of the spike proteins. I don't really know if that's true or not since it's not my field of expertise.

>>15105425
That thing about alcohol sounds like complete BS.

>>15105249
Based Christian

>>15104861
Just try to not share body fluids such as eating/drinking from the same things, and if you are able, don't share a shower/bathroom with them.

>>15105378
>so I can continue to put food on my table.
Even homeless people don't starve in todays world, at least not in western countries. Even homeless migrants and illegals from South America are fat af.

This thread is very entertaining. I will let you guys know when I get a heart attack or whatever the vaccine side effect of the month is.

>>15105471
unfortunately I am very low ranking on the diversity totem pole. Last time I was homeless I struggled to get much of anything. The best place was a church but they often didn't have much but anything was nice.

>>15105478
speak ebonics. you can identify as anything you want now. men claim to be women even.

>>15105466

>>15105473
how will you let us know if its really serious

>>15105352
I was holding out for Novavax, but the release in the USA kept getting pushed back and I eventually got covid, so I said fuck it to all covid vaccines at that point. Novavax appears safer at the theoretical level: 1. you're getting a known quantity of pre-created spikes rather than mRNA that needs to reach your cells and could possibly create a shitload of spikes (or you may get a batch where half the mRNA is already degraded because storage compliance has gone out the window), 2. Having the full antigen injected likely reduces risk of autoimmune reaction, whereas the mRNA vaccines will inevitably lead to your own cells being targeted by the immune system, 3. It uses a saponin as the antigen rather than they hyper-inflammatory LNP's.

All that said, I don't think the saponin was ever tested at a large scale, and I recall reading some alarming side effects similar to the other injections shortly after Novavax started getting rolled out. I think there's always going to be some risk with a coronavirus injection that uses the spike protein as its antigen (whether pre-created or using a vector or mRNA).

>>15105532
I wanted Novavax here in my meme island nation and was going to get it but then they decided to start mandating it and making rules about where you could go if you didn't have a vaccine. So I decided not to comply with any of it and just caught the virus. It was a flu at worst.

>>15105541
Yeah, I was considering getting Novavax for personal safety as well as to protect my parents, but the mandates are total bullshit, especially now that most people have already had covid + Omicron is mild.

>>15105529
If the vaxed sheep anon dies, then how will he let us know how bad the jab was?

That's the convenient part, the millions dying from the jabs are not around to complain about them.

>>15105532
I've already informed them I have gotten covid in the past and have records of a positive test and they don't give a fuck. It's clearly not about immunity but control, $$$, and hopefully that's it...I wonder if there is something I could take to render that vaccine impotent so it can be ignored and passed out of my body.

>>15105566
If I were you, I'd really draw this out to see how serious they are. Where I work, people were threatened with a deadline to get vaccinated or risk punishment. A lot of people caved. The deadline came, some paperwork had to be filled out. We were told action would be taken later. That was a year ago and not shit has happened. Of course some people really did lose their jobs, so some businesses are serious, but for most it's just a bluff.

>>15105569
the other holdouts have been coincidentally fired for a variety of reasons. I work for a basedlege so they're extra serious.

>>15105566
I would shop around for a schizo nurse or doctor who has a chance of faking giving you the vax. Start by looking for stories about doctors who are up for reprimands or punishment for being a little bit on the edge.

>>15105589
I got two days not a rocky montage to find someone like that. Any suggestions on what to take it with if anything?

>>15105594
No man. In that case spend a few minutes on social media looking for photos of your local vax cards and mock one up with your name on it.

>>15104046
I'm a microbiologist and this shit grinds my gears. Everyone thinks they're an expert on immunology now and that not getting vaccinated makes them intellectually superior or some shit.

I'm sorry but the actual peer-reviewed science shows you're all wrong, the vaccine does work to help prevent you from having a bad reaction from the illness compared to if you have no vaccine. It's perfectly safe.

Your average dumb American is naturally going to resist new technologies that they are too ignorant to understand, people still think vaccines cause autism. There will be some new ailment that will be blamed on them next year, I'm sure. Go ahead and don't get vaccinated, I don't care, enjoy your brain rot and lack of sense of smell. Not to mention reduced immune function, the long term effects of a severe covid infection we won't know for years to come.

The key point is that even if you get covid, if you have the vaccine you won't have nearly as bad of a reaction in the short or long term.

>>15104861
nicotine gum unironically

>>15105613
That's not true. Age stratified risk ratios show most people won't benefit at all from the vaccine.

>>15105613
(cont'd) I'm literally the only person I know who still hasn't gotten covid. Mainly I think because I'm careful and know how to avoid risky situations. But it's out there and will remain out there probably forever now. It's just a matter of time before everyone gets it it seems, and will become as common as the cold/flu.

But it's not like cold/flu, it could be way worse in the long term, we just don't know. Your best chance of avoiding a lot of pain and suffering later on is to just get the vaccine. Each time you get covid it could make things worse, so it's still worth it even if you've already had it and/or believe the myth that "natural immunity" is better. AFAIK that also has not been proven.

I know a lot of anti-vaxxers who have gotten covid and had serious and highly related health problems shortly after. They still don't see the connection, they're so delusional, I can't even talk to them about this stuff. It's clear to me that if they just got vaccinated it wouldn't have been as bad for them, but honestly I don't think they're capable of the mental capacity to see that - probably in part because of the cognitive decline caused by it. That's honestly my worst fear if I ever get it, losing my ability to think.

>>15105633
Before I bother with a counter argument, do you have a peer reviewed source for that?

>>15105613

for me personally I'm a fan of having an IgG3 response to any viruses instead of an IgG4 one so in the end the vaccines are just not a good fit for me (I waited to see what would happen since this is the first large human trial of mrna)

>>15105642
>believes IQ matters

>>15105613
>Not to mention reduced immune function
Ironic post coming from someone who intentionally damaged his.

>>15105640
Yeah many of them. I suggest you do your own research.

>>15104100
always has been

>>15105645
based.

>>15105645
me too, I'm somewhat of a natty IgG3 fan myself.

>>15105613
It's scary that someone in your position could be such a retard. Are you a woman?

>>15105352

every drug has some potential sideefects. i'd go with novavax tech, as it's classic and well known, however it's an absolute placebo as omicron bypasses even mrna levels of efficacy, and is mild enough to be considered a natural (or "natural") vaccine.
an employer that forces health choices on employee at this time, when pandemics are over, is just despicable

>>15105650
show them fag

>>15105640
>do you have a peer reviewed source for that?
Because the majority is always right?
Don't you know that the science is settled in this matter? So any deviation must be wrong!

>>15104067
but the vaccine doesn't stop you catching Covid multiple times. So even by their logic taking the vaccine means you're at risk from both vax and virus. Why are they incapable of following a thought to it's logical conclusion?
Also, just to remind you all again, just 6 months ago /sci/ was just as deluded as they are now, calling anyone who said any different a polcel schitzo looney. You're no better than they are, you're just a closer proximity to /pol/ is all.

>>15105770
>an employer that forces health choices on employee at this time
>at this time
At any time. Ever.
>when pandemics are over
why's the mortality rate so high then? Here in the UK it's higher now than at any point 'during the pandemic'
>it's da lockdowns
Then why is the NHS also being hit with record staff sicknesses and mortality? They never locked down

>>15104046
imagine all inteligent person die from hesrt failure and only idiotque people stay alive and rule the world

>>15105222
Is this image from a video? Source?

>>15106108
intelligent means one knows exactly why his heart is failing

>>15104067
The article says that is isn't the vaccine that causes problems but the antigens your bodies produces to it. Which is fucking obvious and known for decades. Vaccines have always had side effects. If you feel bad taking *any* vaccine you would have felt a hell of lot worse if you got the original virus.

>>15106108
>ummm sweaty, i got culled because i'm so heckin' smart
>my failure to correctly assess the sitution is proof of how much better i am
If you and your likes don't die from your clotshots, the rest of us will need to actively kill you. Please do everyone a favor and just drop dead.

>>15106108
Intelligent means knowing when you're meaning brainwashed and not falling for it.

>>15104046
u/RickAstleyletmedown has already debunked this https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/103v3qp/comment/j317cjz/

>>15106128
Imagine being so out of touch that you think your damage control makes a difference.

>>15104067
fpbp
Imagine being so weak you can't handle some random viral protein in your body. Sad.

>>15106108
>falling for blatant psyops and propaganda
>intelligent
Let me guess, you believe the Earth is round, too.
Better get on your rocket to go to real space, and escape real global warming, and don't forget your dilator KEK

>>15105425
Investigate the exemption route: https://www.venable.com/insights/publications/2021/06/employers-guide-to-the-religious-exemption
It's pretty important that you don't get this stuff into your blood stream. Whatever is or isn't going on with the gene therapy, the fact that they're requiring you to get an unnecessary injection means you should avoid it. Do you have any disabilities?

>>15106128
Excellent prebake right here.
Why are antivaxxers so stupid when even a pastry chef understands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXKoooV9ABE

>>15106418
I don't know what, but this picture appeals to me.

>>15106168
why did you fall for the flat earth psyop?, half of the big proponents are literally blatant signaling satanists, alphabets glowies, freemasons or retards

literally name some prominent pusher who isn't

>>15104067
The vaccine signals all cells to produce the spike protein if it circulates into your bloodstream unlike a viral infection which will largely depend on the viral load you are infected with and how your immune system deals with it. This is also not true with different types of vaccines, such as subunit vaccines which only produce a local immunogenicity reaction. This is not taking into account the current SARS-2-CoV strain which is predominantly limited to the upper respiratory tract and far less pathogenic than previous strains. Studies with data isolated by strain determining the risk of myocardititis induced by the vaccine against viral infection must be asserted to determine what the absolute risk is, preferably stratified by age-group.

>>15106575
Because the formula of the curvature is wrong.
That's literally it, maths don't lie.

>>15105613
How is it possible for a microbiologist to be so retarded? At least doctors can claim not to have full access to all information because, you know, they actually overwork themselves to death and they barely have time to keep up with all data unless they're the ones assessing it, but people such as yourself, which let's be quite honest about what you do - you stick your thumbs up your ass for the majority of work-hours every day leaving you plenty of time to study and research independently - have no excuse for being so brainwashed without critical thought whatsoever. I get that retards from reddit behave this way because it's not their area of expertise but seeing this coming from other fields of science directly related to healthcare is absolutely disgraceful. And this is coming from a pharmacist before you call me out, you little shit.

>>15106851
Academia is full of midwits, the average PHD is a complete retard.

>>15106817
Watch this and tell me the vaccine have adverse effects, I DARE YOU CHUD
( Streamable link got deleted, probably my fault for using it too much in kosher 4channel )

>>15106874
https://files.catbox.moe/jenwu9.mp4

>>15105586
>the other holdouts have been coincidentally fired for a variety of reasons.
Well that sucks, you have a tough decision between your health and your career at this point. :-(

>>15105613
>I'm sorry but the actual peer-reviewed science shows you're all wrong, the vaccine does work to help prevent you from having a bad reaction from the illness compared to if you have no vaccine.
Okay, but even if so...

>It's perfectly safe.
You're confusing two different things at this point. Even if the vaccine were effective at reducing severity of COVID-19 infection (which is highly debatable), that doesn't in itself make it safe. Shooting you in the head would make you safe from getting infected by SARS-CoV-2, but that doesn't mean it's an efficacious treatment in light of the fact that you'd be dead.

Fact: The vaccine has some degree of side effects, which can be severe (even if you claim it's a very small percentage.

Fact: You can still get infected, and you can still develop long covid.

Fact: You need to continue with injections or you lose whatever supposed efficacy there is, and every injection carries some degree of risk.

>>15105635
>I know a lot of anti-vaxxers who have gotten covid and had serious and highly related health problems shortly after.
I know just the opposite, you shouldn't rely on anecdotal evidence.

>>15105635
>I know a lot of anti-vaxxers who have gotten covid
What kind of company do you spend your time around? Most people barely know anyone who has gotten COVID, corporate-injected or otherwise. Why does your post reek of damage control?

>>15106908
#trufax.

>>15106915
>Most people barely know anyone who has gotten COVID
Well that's not true, at least where I am in the USA (a NE hot spot). Nearly everyone I know has had it, and we're talking in the hundreds of people. I caught it during a huge outbreak at work when a bunch of vaccinated people assumed they couldn't get it and came to work blatantly sick. Vaccination status doesn't matter, but I will say, I haven't noticed any difference in severity whether the person was vaccinated or not.

>>15106921
It's been my experience that vaxies get covid more often. I had it once, but I've talked to people who had it 3 or 4 times which seems insane to me.

>>15104313
During the entire vaxx debate, there has been the undercurrent that this vaxx is less legit than traditional, time-tested vaxxes.
As such, undergoing this procedure is inherently as (perhaps minor, but still existing) psychological "trial by fire". You don't have to agree with the controversial opinion, or even be extremely aware, of the debate happening in the background, just be minimally aware of it. And the polemic against "anti-vaxxers" made this trivial.

I have empathy for NPCs who can't introspect enough to understand these relations.

>>15106128
You know, the problem with cherry-picking data is that someone can always go and check the data being used and find out if it's been purposely twisted to reach the discussion and conclusion the authors are seeking. This is the problem with reddit (which I already expect) and the scientific community (which saddens me because I know the authors of the study could easily cross-check their data from the source to match existing data other government agencies, unless of course, the purpose is to fit in data to match the author's dishonesty).

To simplify and because I'm not going to lose a lot of time dissecting the article used as "proof", I'll just get straight to the point.

In the article (https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/epub/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.059970)), table 2, you can check the number of events per vaccine. Bear in mind that the time period addressed in the study goes from December 1st 2020 to December 15th 2021, so we're accounting up to 80% of all vaccinations doses given thus so far (you can check data yourself at https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations if you want to confirm). What table 2 shows us is that for ChAdOx1 (or AstraZeneca) they recorded 230 events of myocardititis, BNT162b2 (of Pfizer) they recorded 328 events of myocardititis and mRNA-1273 (or Moderna) they recorded 59 events of myocarditits.

However, we know that this is simply not the case because the latest vaccine analysis prints published by UK official sources using yellow cards reporting (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1121458/Coronavirus_Vaccine_-_Summary_of_Yellow_Card_reporting_23.11.2022.pdf)) shows that ChAdOx1 (or AstraZeneca) recorded 241 events of myocardititis, BNT162b2 (of Pfizer) recorded 851 events of myocardititis and mRNA-1273 (or Moderna) recorded 251 events of myocarditits.

Garbage study for a garbage audience that claps, awards and upvotes in a heartbeat.

>>15107246
Interesting. Im curious to know, is myocarditis and pericarditis a real threat from infection alone? What about shedding?

>>15106817
>Studies with data isolated by strain determining the risk of myocardititis induced by the vaccine against viral infection must be asserted to determine what the absolute risk is
Too bad that's gonna be made after everyone took the vaccines because "think on grandma". You see the problem now?

>>15107319
That was part of the plan, to obfuscate the data.

>>15106817
Is there an actual risk of myocarditis from infection compared to the vaccines? Should I be worried?

>>15107338
No, very little to no risk at all from the virus. It's the "vaccines" that cause 95%+ of cases. Being in close contact to someone who was "vaccinated" or "boosted" in the last few previous months is a higher risk than the actual virus.

>>15107348
My entire family is vaccinated, what can I do or what supplemen can I take? Im paranoid of the spike protein

>>15107355
>Im paranoid of the spike protein
Don't be. There is no biological mechanism in your body to use it.

>>15107388
>There is no biological mechanism in your body to use it.
You could say the same about radon or most other radioactive particles. No reason to fear breathing in radon and alpha particles then? KEK!

>>15107388
Nigga what? This shit is the one causing all the inflammation....

>>15107274
>>15107338
There is a real threat of myocarditis and pericarditis but only to people of old-age. The general consensus before this clown show went off track was that to people aged 60+ it made perfect sense since they were more at risk from myocarditis being fatal (even moreso if they had congestive heart failure) in addition to all the other (more serious) respiratory problems related to COVID-19. If you go and pick any raw data you'll see the massive quota of death related to myocarditis is strongly engulfed in this age-group, not young people. They simply had to deflect this issue when it became clear that it was popping off in young people and questions were being raised over its safety (and rightly so - if you go an dissect the numbers in that article you'll see that in absolute numbers, myocarditis events related to vaccines are 5-fold the myocarditis events related to infection in aged 40 or less).

>>15107319
>Too bad that's gonna be made after everyone took the vaccines because "think on grandma".
That's irrelevant at this point, though. The vaccine was already taken for the sake of "grandma" but they have bluntly admitted it does not do shit to stop transmission so there's no political issue to stop a full evalution on the issue. I know they want kids 1-5 vaccinated to they get the full legal status (and possibly 6m+ according to their design trials) but that's not gonna stop honest and capable scientists from conducting those studies and putting an end to this charade.

>>15107410
What are some ways to detox the spike protein from your system?

>>15107404
No. The antigens are what cause the reaction.

>>15107420
Elaborate....

>>15107410
>but that's not gonna stop honest and capable scientists from conducting those studies and putting an end to this charade.
Peer review is what stops honest and capable scientists. No need for anything complicated.

>>15107419
Bleeding. Old method of leeches actually applies here.

>>15107420
>>15107426
Both of you cannot be fucking serious. This is /sci/.

>>15107419
How do you detox any viral particle that has ejected your DNA, anon? You can't. Just let your body do it's own thing and get rid of it.

>>15107459

>>15107469
>viral
>>15107469
>Just let your body do it's own thing and get rid of it.
Never happens.
Once you get a virus, it meshes and becomes part of you.
You can never get rid of a virus.
Your body can fight it into submission (latency or dormancy) but you never get rid of the virus.

>>15107469
>Just let your body do it's own thing and get rid of it.
And is there something I can eat, drink, some vitamin, plant, antioxidant, mineral, etc that will aid my body in the spike protein detox process?

>>15107485
No. Just a healthy low-mid carb diet. Antioxidants might help some.

>>15107484
>this is anon's brain on simplex-1

>>15107488
There's evidence of vitamin D supplementation aiding the obesity issue stemming from ADV36.

>>15107490
Yes, good example. 99% of humans have one of the Herpes viruses in their spinal and brain fluid, either ChickenPox, HSV, or "Mono", and it has changed people and societies in signficant ways.

>>15107485
There is no detox process. Your cells don't seem to ever stop making spikes once you get one of the gene therapy shots. No study has ever found a cessation of spike production even after months of observation.

>>15107539
I'm unvaxxed but I was asking about detox of spike if you get infected with covid or through shedding.

>>15107549
>I'm unvaxxed
ummm drop dead chud

>>15107552
He can't drop dead, he's not vaccinated.

>>15104644
I vaguely remember NAC or glutathione being purported to do that. I don't remember the study.

>>15105677
I wonder which response an attenuated vaccine would provide?

>>15107274
There does not seem to be a threat for myocarditis or pericarditis from an unvaccinated infection, if you survive.
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9025013/

>>15106921
I wonder how long between infections for unvaccinated individuals and vaccinated individuals?

>>15107605
It would provide a full response, but you'd still get waning effectiveness as with flu shots.

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>>15107895
lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

>>15104067
The virus is immediately attacked by your immune system and has to get through your respiratory system.
The vaccine is delivered everywhere unabated by the immune system and then makes your own cells express the spike protein so that your immune system is attacking itself.
The immune response generated by exposure to the isolated extinct Wuhan variant spike protein eventually increases your susceptibility to the actual virus whereas natural infection provides a broad immune response to the total virus that can still be adapted to future variants

>>15105247

where do you get your info from? not arguing, just curious

>>15105647
You're delusional, vaccines save lives.

>>15105650
>hurr yeah it's out there I just can't provide it

>>15105742
I'm paid to believe in science, and I do. Have fun with your conspiracy theories and tin foil hats.

>>15105774
>Because the majority is always right?
Science is not based on majority opinion, it's based on evidence and informed review. The evidence available at this time does not support your view.

>>15106057
But there's no proven risk from the vaccine, despite your fantasies.

You being a disgusting slob is what causes you to catch covid multiple times. The vaccine is meant to reduce the worst possible side effects when you inevitably do get it.

>>15106851
lol you know nothing about me, you say I'm retarded because you disagree with my evidence-based assessment? Anecdotally, I see the clinical consequences anti-vaxxers experience, it's generally pretty much always worse than people who got vaccinated.

Just because I'm a microbiologist doesn't mean I can't be wrong. I'm man enough to admit that, as soon as the evidence materializes which proves it. Until then, I believe in the science and evidence available, which has so far proven I'm right, and you're the retard for believing in fantasies and conspiracies. BTW your screenshot doesn't prove shit, go back to counting your pills and stop pretending your occupation means you know what you're talking about.

>>15106908
I agree there is always going to be a small amount of risk with any vaccine, as there is with many things in life we engage in daily without caring. My point is that the benefits far outweigh any potential risk.

My opinion is that the risk of the vaccine is negligible compared to the risk of the myriad of health effects that raw-dogging covid causes. To me, these potential risks from the vaccine (which the evidence has yet to materialize after millions of doses, meaning it likely doesn't exist) are not of any realistic concern. I've had 2 initials and 2 boosters, and not once did I have a single side effect other than a sore arm for a day.

>Fact: You can still get infected, and you can still develop long covid.
Nobody ever said the vaccine makes you unable to get infected. It reduces the side effects.

>>15106911
I agree, this is why peer-reviewed studies with large sample sizes are critical and should be the only thing used for forming actual scientific opinions.

>>15108060
>>15108065
Day of the rope is coming.

>>15106915
I live in Texas, in an urban area. In rural areas here it's very common to be anti-vax. Pretty much everyone I know has gotten it at least once by now, my company is coworkers and family members. I'm literally the only person I regularly spend time with who has not gotten it. I've had multiple close calls, I believe I've only been able to avoid it because I wear N-95 masks in risky public areas, and am aware of how germs spread from my microbiology background.

Where do you live where nobody has gotten it? Or do you just not get out much?

>>15107977
The whole idea that "natural immune response being better than the vaccine" is a myth.

>>15108068
This is how you know someone is wrong, when they start talking like this. Please seek help.

>>15108089
People are noticing. There will be consequences.

>>15108065
>Nobody ever said the vaccine makes you unable to get infected
you fucking liar

>>15108045
I've never caught covid once you absolute halfwit. I know several vaxxies that have caught it multiple times though. My brother caught it twice in two months. Each time he gets it the symptoms are worse than before

>>15104313
It's especially funny when it's the circumcizeds saying it's super duper traumatic.

>>15105052
Huh so that's why they had to invent the holohoax origin myth, because they couldn't win by force alone. Zamn.

oh wow its fucking nothing

The only reason this is gaining prominence is because they aren't suppressing it like they were.
What is their new objective?

>>15108077
>microbiology background.
Oh, have you ever read Harold Hillman or Gilbert Ling's research?

can we talk about the graphene oxide now?

>>15108065
>Nobody ever said the vaccine makes you unable to get infected.
Not that I really want to help you in future debates, but this completely discredits everything else you said and makes me slightly more confident in my resistance to this medical procedure. It seems like defending it requires lying.

>>15108296
To slowly rile up the normies into a frenzy

A full on /pol/tard anti vax thread on sci, you rage fueled flat earth incels have to ruin everything just to feel seen. Why not try to be decent and interesting human being instead? Too hard, try anyway.

>>15108355
>increasingly nervous vaxxie resorts to ad hominem
This is getting real familiar

>>15108328
What are hey going to do with an army of blood frenzied cattlebrains baying for blood?

>>15108355
Why do you and your buddies keep pretending you didn't migrate into this board some time in the past two weeks? Everyone knows.

>>15108392
I dunno but I imagine its kind of like fucking around with an RTS in offline mode for whoever is pulling the strings. What would anyone do? I guess they'll just make different factions clang into each other to see what happens. Just stay out of the way of the stampede and you'll be fine, probably.

>>15108395
the glowniggers and their stooges always try to change the topic to something not related to the board topic when they are confronted with a topic which their bosses don't want people seeing.
in this thread they decided to screech about the imaginary /pol/ boogeyman because they are too low IQ to be able to do anything else with this thread, derailing it and trying to ruin it with meta discussion is the best they can think up.

In regards to the novavax, it seems to be the best option right now compared to the other vaccines since it doesn't use mrna and its just one wave of spike proteins. What is an actual solution to prevent these spike proteins from doing their thing?

>>15109381
>What is an actual solution to prevent these spike proteins from doing their thing?
Just say no and don't take it.

>>15109385
Ok now for something possible for non-neets please. Just saying don't take it isn't helpful here. What you're saying is ideal but not practical.

>>15108089
Theres literally signs of revolt brewing in the uk already, it's fucking insane.

>>15107990
All over the place, some of it not Anything you're specifically interested in? I can find you some studies.

>>15109390
Plenty of working people said no and didn't take it. Even in the military they're cucking and begging people to come back to re-enlist who refused the vax.

>>15104243
what about the people that claimed cancer, car crash, suicide victims as covid deaths?

>>15108065
>I agree there is always going to be a small amount of risk with any vaccine, as there is with many things in life we engage in daily without caring.
Possibly, the difference is we've never had a vaccine where it was recommended to boost every 4-6 months. Some required an initial series, others were annual, but the covid vaccine is being treated differently.

>My opinion is that the risk of the vaccine is negligible compared to the risk of the myriad of health effects that raw-dogging covid causes.
Well in terms of actual studies, some claimed the vaccine reduced risk of long covid, others found no benefit. It's a matter of which scientists you want to believe.

>(which the evidence has yet to materialize after millions of doses, meaning it likely doesn't exist)
How in the world are you making that claim? A very real and relevant risk is apparent for young males. Read some studies, pay attention whether or not they lump all the data together or actually provide age and sex stratified results. It's very easy to tally all of the data together, see little risk, and ignore that a specific demographic gets particularly hammered by the vaccine.

>Nobody ever said the vaccine makes you unable to get infected.
That was a repeated claim until it was no longer believable.

>>15109408
You mean the financial incentives given out to hospitals to report more covid cases to get money?

>>15109406
>Even in the military they're cucking and begging people to come back to re-enlist who refused the vax.
10,000 military were "accidently" given the Covid "vaccine" instead of the flu shot, in a maneuver the military is just brushing off like a SNAFU.

>>15108077

Friendly reminder that the coronavirus epidemic is entirely fictitious and that anyone who says otherwise is either an enemy propaganda agent or one of their unwitting stooges.
There are still a lot of unwitting stooges remaining who were fooled by the propaganda and who don't want to admit that they were tricked for one reason or another so they continue to push the fake viral epidemic lie. Bad people & sad situation, but the coronavirus epidemic is entirely fictitious, it doesn't exist and it never did.

>>15110057
Enough with the antisemitism.

It's crazy to look at the new aussie and britbong data. It really does look like the vaccines are fucking shit up. If it gets more pronounced ,how bad would it need to get before people started noticing/caring?

>>15110545
Athletes have been literally dropping dead for no reason on the field for over a year now. This is happening on live television for audiences of millions and nobody seems to care.

>>15110554
i don't watched televised athletics because i have no affinity for homoeroticism

What's the point of injecting all the powerplant operators, airline pilots, bus drivers, doctors, construction workers, farmers, civil engineers, teachers etc. with delayed heart attack killswitches? How does anyone benefit from sudden mass death of all the valuable experts and laborers? Why would anyone approve of such a deadly failed vaccine? I swear to god you faggots are a second /x/ you don't talk about anything else.

>>15110585
>yet another increasingly nervous vaxxie who refuses to look at data and instead resorts to ad hominem
It's getting kinda boring now

>>15110585
>why would my rulers hurt me???
Why did they do it every other time?

>>15110585
There was a book published by a chinese general several decades ago called I think "unrestricted warfare" consider the contents of that book

>>15110648
I will not consider your schizo ramblings. You need to be locked up. My government loves me and cares about me. Rulers who sacrifice their own populations to further some insane agenda don't exist, and when they do exist, we topple them for #freedom and #democracy.

>>15109584

bretheren, i...

alright I got the novavax vaccine. I feel ok atm. I drank some alcohol before I got it. I also pretended I needed to use the restroom before I had it administered after they placed it on the counter.

>>15104046
Why is it that since the vaccine was released twice as many Republicans died than Democrats?

https://news.yahoo.com/almost-twice-many-republicans-democrats-175245935.html

>>15111796
Because they took Trump's vaccine. You didn't believe Trump did you??

>>15111796
>>>/pol/

>>15111796
don't old people lean conservative? why has california got a worse rate than florida anyway

>>15111796
Doctors were assaulting registered Republicans on the street and giving them the vax. Also when you gave the technician your license for the vax they scanned it to see if you're registered dem/rep, dems got the saline, reps got the vax.

This is all well known stuff, there were multiple whistleblowers who were ignored by the MSM.

>>15111805
>>15111810
>>15111820
Ahhh, reduced to petty obvious lies. Cute. It's almost as if the vaccine works and the virus is deadly. News at 11

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/08/why-so-many-republicans-wont-get-vaccinated/619659/

>>15111838
>retard who can only think in terms of "my team vs your team" and can't think independently is a vaxxie
wow what a shocker

>>15111844
Has no argument, reduced to name calling.

Since you're too dumb to understand it the entire point is that Republicans overwhelmingly refused to take the vaccine and they died. It's not us vs them, it's showing the fact that the vaccines worked in incontrovertible evidence.

>>15111847
I made my argument as well as calling you a retard. I can do both.
>that Republicans overwhelmingly refused to take the vaccine
Prove it.
In the UK and Aus we don't need to guess along political lines, ONS and ABS have data split by vaccination status. And that data shows the opposite of your claim.
You're trying to fix a variable using inappropriate methods (because of your personal political bias). Republicans are usually older, poorer, more rural. All things that contribute to mortality.
In our data, we split purely by vax status

>>15111796
>Why is it that since the vaccine was released twice as many Republicans died than Democrats?
Hmm....

>This
study constructs an individual-level dataset with political affiliation and excess death rates during
the COVID-19 pandemic via a linkage of 2017 voter registration in Ohio and Florida to mortality
data from 2018 to 2021.

>Overall, the
excess death rate for Republicans was 5.4 percentage points (pp), or 76%, higher than the excess
death rate for Democrats.

Why are they using voter registration from 2017? Nothing was available that was more recent? That's weird.

>Second, because we did not have information
on an individual’s vaccination status, analyses of the association between vaccination rates
and excess deaths relied on county-level vaccination rates.
That's a big issue.

I also have a major problem with them bringing up "age bins" but then providing all data as already adjusted for age and not showing whether there were excess deaths across all age groups. For example, if Republicans have a larger elderly population, and it's all pooled together as "age adjusted" then that's still going to show as excess for all Republicans even if it was the unvaccinated elderly carrying the bulk of the deaths. The elderly may very well benefit from vaccination against covid, younger adults do not and also risk more adverse events from the vaccines.

This doesn't get into the fact that many studies claiming the efficacy of vaccines play with what the consider vaccinated. IE, they may consider deaths within two weeks of an injection as unvaccinated (even if vaccination caused temporary immunosupression that led to higher risk of infection, something that rarely gets mentioned). Cases were vaccination status is unknown is also frequently lumped into the unvaccinated group. There's also a remarkable trend where the vaccinated die in the hospital, yet the unvaccinated die without visiting a hospital. They just lie in bed unable to breathe? Doubtful.

>>15111930
>if vaccination caused temporary immunosupression that led to higher risk of infection
Not just a higher risk of infection but also a higher risk of complications from the disease and subsquent hospitalization. This anecdotal clinical progress unfolded before my eyes several times with colleagues, patients and other people I knew. When my family or closest friends choose to get vaccinated, I warned them to maintain minimal contact and use FFP2 masks whenever they were in crowded places for the two weeks after the dose was administered and thankfully they listened and nothing bad happened to them.

It perplexes me how statistical data groups unvaccinated with those vaccinated within 14 days for the purpose of research since that skews any honest discussion regarding the efficacy of the vaccine. An entirely new group should have been created for those who had been vaccinated within 14 days to stratify the reak risk between unvaccinated and vaccinated and assess how dangerous the temporary immunosupression mechanism actually is rather than just ignore it altogether.

I do believe this was intentional and not merely a slip in design, though. Flu vaccination campaigns are scheduled each year accordingly to worldwide data, antecipating a surge in cases during winter and preparing a few weeks beforehand but this was not the case with COVID-19. Through out 2021, whenever an age group was elligible for vaccination there was already a growing and worrying numbers of cases, which resulted in vaccination further cascading the number of cases and mortality of the waves. The cynic in me would say that this was masterfully done to solve 2 issues - a) attribute whatever complications could arise from vaccination to be blamed on the unvaccinated (since they would be technically unvaccinated) and b) since the waves had a duration of roughly 30/45 days use the vaccine campaigns to parade the effectiveness of the vaccines in stalling the transmission of the waves.

>>15104046
low key I am a healthy man and started feeling weird heart beats a period after getting the shot but now after a few years back to normal

>>15112585
It's ok don't worry, your DNA haven't been permanently modified, and your heart did not suffer permanent damage.
The pain in your chest you're feeling right now is just psychosomatic suggestion, don't worry it'll go away permanently soon enough.

>>15104651
>Myocarditis was 4 cases per million. Now after vaccinations it is 25,000 per million.

That's just a coincidence chud, your mind is sick from racism which is why you see things that aren't there.

>r*ddit cap thread
>barely no one said anything about it
4chan is getting shittier by the year as proven by this thread

>>15111838
>soi claims the vax works
>posts Atlantic

You could at least try not to be a caricature

>>15105613
>>15105635
>Your average dumb American is naturally going to resist new technologies that they are too ignorant to understand
I've said this before and I'll say it again: it's evangelicals. Evangelical christians are 100% to blame. This is the old tired "they gonna put the numbah of da beast on me" shit recycled, over and over again.

>>15113822
Oh don't worry you already have that.

>muh whites
>muh asians
>muh blacks
these grand groupings are meaninglesss

>>15113830
I don't, numbskull. I hate the antichrist, and I only have the sign of the Son of the Most Hight on me, a.k.a. baptism in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Protestants have always been little minions of Satan. Especially """""evangelicals""""".

why are the rates of booster so low even among the vaxxies? i thought they trusted the science

>>15111881
This is false, as explained in the study you didn't read. The rates were THE SAME before the vaccine was released. You have been totally and completely beaten the fuck out and can't admit it. That's your problem, not mine.
>>15111930
So, your argument is that people may have possibly suddenly switched their political affiliation, we just don't know!

Again, the rates of death were the same between Republicans and Democrats up until the vaccine was released. Again, you have lost this argument a long time ago and can't admit it.

Cognitive bias at its worst.

>>15111789
the alcohol does what?

>>15105247
>Outside of sexual intercourse, I don't see it being much of a threat
can you please elaborate. is it safe to have intercourse with my boosted wife or what?

>>15113837
take meds

>>15114487
No. Cease all sex with her immediately.

>>15114567
I need more than just your anonymous post to do that.

>>15110585
Point? The idea this is a malicious conspiracy is the final cope that I see from both the left and right wing.

There is no conspiracy, outside of the conspiracy to make as much money as possible during the pandemic. This is just the logical conclusion of Big Pharma cutting corners, it is just over now - there is no "Plan".

>>15114487
>can you please elaborate. is it safe to have intercourse with my boosted wife or what?
Sexual intercourse may not be a threat either, I really don't know, but that's a direct exchange of fluids in an area where there's easy access to the blood stream. There's also reports of unvaxxed women missing their periods. How have you felt? If you haven't noticed anything then I wouldn't worry about it. If you actually have experienced some weird symptoms...then I don't know, where a condom?

>>15114762
If I can be honest with you, her "fluids" seem different but I feel to awkward to mention it to her. Is there any data on this? Am I imagining things? Also her periods are already all over the place because she got one of those birth control implants in her arm the other year.

>>15114792
>birth control implants in her arm
how tf is that supposed to work? Isn't it a bit far from the relevant area?

>>15114792
infertile females don't experience sexual arousal, sexual intercourse is only enjoyable as a reproductive act.

>>15114841
no idea, it's called an "Implanon" or something, idk how it's spelled but that's what she calls it. I find it pretty gross because I can see it through the skin and even touch it.

>>15114842
are you sure? you aren't confusing menopause with infertility are you?

>>15114855
>>15114841
>The contraceptive implant is inserted beneath the skin of the upper arm. The implant releases a progestational hormone to prevent sperm from reaching the egg. The implant typically suppresses ovulation as well

I tried to talk her out of it (as well as the vax, and the subsequent boosters) but well, y'know how women are. I "joked" to her that I might need to find some concubines.

>>15114792
I wish I had definite answers for you, but I don't. So far as I know, the only confirmed transmission from a vaccinated person to an unvaccinated person involved the antibodies, not the LNPs, mRNA, or spike proteins. That doesn't mean the latter can't happen, but it hasn't been proven. We have a lot of anecdotal evidence of vaccine shedding, but I'm still skeptical. Again, I'd go back to how you feel. If you haven't noticed any health issues, then I wouldn't stress out over it. The highest risk would have been right after she was injected anyway, so your major exposures are already over with.

As for a difference in her "fluids," the vaccines are major immunomodulators. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the vaccine could have caused that to happen. The ovaries are a major site of LNP accumulation. The best thing you could do is to talk her out of getting anymore boosters or birth control implants. They're both terrible for her health.

>>15104542
That means it's working

>>15108065
>Nobody ever said the vaccine makes you unable to get infected.

>>15110585
Tard fell for the well-poisoning meme.

>>15115025
yep antibody transfer is all ive heard too

>>15105640
95% comorbidity, 99.9% survival even with it, exercise in any amount reduces the risk of hospitalization, vitamin d reduces hospitalization

>>15105645
Do you think the more natural response to an attenuated vaccine would be similar to broad and durable natural immunity?

>>15115055
>>Nobody ever said the vaccine makes you unable to get infected.
Yeah, because it doesn't work. Everyone knows that now. Total scam to make government politicians and 1% richer.

>>15115172
Absolute risk reduction vs relative risk reduction

>>15115182
>Absolute risk reduction
Reminder: the absolute risk reduction Pfizer was less than 1%.

>>15115197
kino

>>15115197
>>15115182
>>15115172
The only people this vaccine benefitted are boomers who should have died regardless. Young Men were forced at job-point to get heart-attacks for these scum, I'm done with society

>>15115950
If nothing else, hopefully this experience will educate the public, especially the young, on why it's important to have a "fuck you" account with enough in it to cover a couple of years of living expenses.

>>15115081
> antisomething
no such thing

>>15116482
Do you also believe bacteria doesn't exist?

>>15115950
me 2 anon

>>15117165
What strange argument.

>>15117291
How so? If viruses don't exist, does the same apply to bacteria?

>>15115950
>Young Men were forced at job-point to get heart-attacks for these scum, I'm done with society.
Welcome to the party.

>>15104046
its over

>>15115182
>>15115197
This is the key. They lied.

>>15104067
does the virus use also mystery lipids?
Does the virus also use crystaline cholesterol shrapnel which clots you up?

>>15117165
>>15117508
Bacterias do exist. However, nobody knows whether their presence is the cause of an illness, or its consequence. It's the same thing with viruses, but since viruses are basically defined to be pathogens, it's more accurate to simply say that viruses don't exist.

>>15107338
>Is there an actual risk of myocarditis from infection
yes
>Should I be worried?
no, unless you're a fat lardass

>>15105561
We probably would have seen societal collapse if the 'purported millions of jabbed people dying in the streets' was actually true
two more weeks?

>>15118258
>yes
proof?

>>15118258
>no, unless you're a fat lardass
Attention, vaxxsisters! New cope dropped. Please refrain from posting the old cope. It makes us look unreliable and undermines our Message.

>>15105650
What an absolute garbage response

>>15118267
>We probably would have seen societal collapse if the 'purported millions of jabbed people dying
We probably would have seen societal collapse if the 'purported millions of COVID deaths' were true.

>>15118269
lazy 2am search these studies exist all over the internet and basically point to the same result
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34341797/
key point
>Young males infected with the virus are up 6 times more likely to develop myocarditis as those who have received the vaccine.

>>15118273
you clearly have zero grasp on the numbers we are dealing with

>>15118284
How many people died from the meme flu?

>>15118282
>infected with the virus
There's no virus, faggot. "Infected with the virus" = positive PCR test. Ask yourself how can you distinguish a false positive and "non-symptomatic case". You can't.

>>15118291
kek I knew this one was coming. Birds aren't real either
>>15118286
0.08391000027987057% of the world's population has died to meme flu
63.79827208540979% of the world's population has received at least one dose of some sort of vaccine

>>15118294
How many people died from the meme flu? Google tells me the death toll is in the millions. Why didn't civilization collapse? You said millions of deaths would mean collapse but I didn't even notice. Anyway, you need to be killed. It's abundantly clear. There is no talking to be had anymore with "people" who shit out your opinion. Society needs to take out its trash.

>>15118300
>Google tells me the death toll is in the millions
"millions" is a literal drop in the bucket when there are 8 billion of us on this rock.

>>15118294
>Birds aren't real either
What makes you say that? Have you never seen a bird?

>>15118282
> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34341797/
Nice abstract retard...
Full article:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.23.21260998v2.full-text
> This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.

> Methods:
"We considered three age cohorts: 12-17 years old to match US myocarditis data following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination, and 12-15 and 16-19 years old to align with common age groupings for vaccination policy and an Israeli report of especially high risk in males age 16-19 following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination."

> Exclusions:
"Patients were excluded for any prior cardiovascular condition, or if they received an mRNA vaccine prior to diagnosis of myocarditis."

" Patients with a lone COVID-19 diagnosis and a proximal (±3 days) negative COVID test but no positive test within 14 days following COVID-19 diagnosis were also excluded"

> Estimations because of lacking data:
"While cases of myocarditis are expected to result in interaction with the health care system, there will be many missed COVID-19 cases that will not be detected in the HCO’s electronic health records. We sought to estimate the proportion of missed COVID-19 cases."
[...]
"The missed COVID-19 cases can be broken down into three categories: not tested and no physician contact; tested outside the TriNetX system but no physician contact; and tested and received care outside the TriNetX system. We assumed this last group would have clinical courses [...] Based on these assumptions, we adjusted the number of myocarditis cases to reflect the missed cases arising from patients tested"

> Results:
For the 12-17-year-old male cohort, 6,846 patients met the study criteria (Table 2). There were 6 (0.09%) cases of myocarditis overall. [...]
Two patients were hospitalized, one and three days after the index date. There were no reported deaths.

It's been about a year since I vaxxed. Haven't boosted and never will. Never got covid either.

Suddenly developed heart issues shortly after Christmas. Probably don't have long to live now. Shouldn't have been so fucking short sighted - I didn't want to get kicked out of college for refusing the jab. Couldn't see that losing 2 years before the mandate dropped is nothing compared to losing the entire rest of my life to this poison I have taken.

Pureblooded people - please avenge us.

>>15118242
>However, nobody knows whether their presence is the cause of an illness, or its consequence.
So you believe if I create an open wound on your skin and apply MRSA, you won't get sick because the bacteria didn't cause the illness, it's just a consequence?

>>15105155
This is 100% fake.

>>15119770

>>15119770