/sci/ - Science & Math

Starlink V2 is cancelled

>>15100454
Which shape shall this thread take?

>>15100454
looks like that scene from Avatar

https://twitter.com/RyanHansenSpace/status/1610697683198525454?t=MbwUkbLPcRgityMhnL1bzA&s=19

New testing hardware 3d model animation for the OLM

>>15100459
dodacehedron

>>15100458
>s26
that's not s26

>>15100466
irrelevant

superior rocket coming through

Why are people saying that Starship will crumple if it was transported horizontally? That didn't happen after the bellyflop during the hop.

>>15100474
During flight it is much more pressurized.
But yeah that is an existance proof of it being possible.

>>15100459
another avatar thread please >>15100461

https://twitter.com/NASAPersevere/status/1610710508973477890
>Sample Depot: 40% complete! Another successful tube drop adds to my growing collection here at the “Three Forks” location. Four of the 10 tubes I’m leaving here as a backup set are down. More on my samples: https://mars.nasa.gov/mars-rock-samples/
>Depot
hmmm

>>15100474
It's just structurally weak when horizontal. Pressurizing helps but it's not designed to be as such due to lack of proper support structure in place.

>>15100496
Now that Shelby is gone, we have yet to get rid of the Mars mafia.

>>15100481
>>15100463
Is this also SpaceX’s way of making sure the clamps will release on time, too

>>15100503
I think you (You)ed the wrong anon there

>>15100459
>>15100454
Realistically, what if we have zero habitable exoplanets in our solar neighborhood

:3

>>15100518
We go further.

>>15100521
At 10% the speed of light, a trip to TRAPPIST is 400 years.

>>15100518
nuke them into habitability

>>15100502
I can already see the kilometric redtape that SpaceX will have to get through when they attempt to land the first cargo Starships there. If I remember correctly one single cargo Starship filled to the brim that gets there will have landed more mass in one single go that everything that has ever been sent to the red planet or its vicinity, including landers, orbiters, flyby probes, fuel, etc.

>>15100518
The stars belong to spinhab chads, planetcucks must submit

>>15100523

>>15100532
cool
but how do you do it?

>>15100537
I don't know.

>>15100496
The spell of Silence has lifted

Today is Earth Perihelion day my friends

>>15100518
>The only potentially habitable exoplanet within 50 light years that isn’t around a red dwarf is HD 40307g
>7X the mass of Earth
>Eccentric orbit takes it from the equivalent of Venus’ distance to Ceres’ around its star
>Unconfirmed
>41 light years away; even at 20% the speed of light, it’s a 200 year journey
Interatellarbros…

>>15100532
steve spotted

>>15100544
Its space nerd kwanzaa

>>15100552
>Interatellarbros…
We need a giant telescope to direct image exoplanets that don't transit their stars.

>gay scinews articles about CHINA SAYS THEY WILL HAVE A NUCLEAR POWERED MOON BASE IN SIX YEARS
Kek I always love when normies take aerospace timetables as gospel. Especially Russian or Chinese ones.

>>15100552
we will send a cylinder there and they won't have a choice but to inhabit the planet

>>15100563
I hope those news keep coming so NASA gets pressured to get going with Artemis.

>>15100566
>>15100530
Assuming interstellar colonization comes after we establish bases on the moon and mars, it’s not too much of a stretch to think the colonists wouldn’t need a habitable planet to survive (they just build space habitats)

>>15100530
>>15100566
>No I Will Not Live In The Space Pod

>>15100563
China has hit all of their goals for the last two decade or so, its only sped up.

Who would have thought China would have 3 carriers at seas 10 years ago? No one. Who would have thought China would not only have a manned space program but our competes Russia and is on par with US space presence with their own ISS clone? No one.

Now you're suggesting China can't possibly have a nuclear base on the moon because if the US can't do it, then no one can? Is that the argument?

Everytime china catches the US with it's pants down, the eventual cycle of denial, anger, negotiation, and acceptance happens. It's just a silly and cliched at this point. It's sad more so than funny.

>>15100582
Calm down ching.
They have stated they see themselves as inferior to ESA. And it is a Mir clone, not an ISS clone.

>>15100572
they'll be born to the pods by their parents that boarded the cylinder.

>>15100584
It's an ISS clone because it's a modular and expandable variant. Plus it's just the tip of the iceberg of change.

>They see themselves as inferior.
Sure, China is peaceful and has never invaded any nation in it's entire 10000 years of history. China has small penis, America BIG penis.
If you believe that narrative, then there's no reason for US to have 3 carrier groups in the Pacific right now. Obviously somethig must give. China's fake narrative vs their actual intent/actualization of progress and the future actualization of potential.

>>15100593
Retard, they said that themselves. I don't have the link because it was some other anon who shared here days ago, but they stated they believe they could catch to ESA only many years from now.

>>15100593
It's a literal MIR clone. For fuck sake the literal fucking core module is a licensed copy of the DOS-8 core module used on MIR you absolute retard.

>>15100595
So you're saying US should scrap the 3 carrier fleet in the Pacific and cancel the pivot to Asia because China says they're peaceful and dindu nuffin?

>>15100518
What makes it's way from our solar system won't be human anymore, so the matter is moot.

>15100604
What the fuck are you talking about? We are discussing space exploration here. No (you) for such a retard.

Honestly it's kinda map that Arianegroup is simultaneously an international, european launcher manufacturer and a French ICBM manufacturer, it's just stupid and counterproductive. The industrial consolidation was a mistake.

>>15100616
mad*

>>15100588
They'll be true spacers, only going down a g-well when absolutely necessary and for as briefly as possible

>>15100602
No it isn't. The specs are completely different for the core modules. It's impossible for it to be a copy given 20 years of progress has happened since mir. At best you could say it's inspiring by mir. Just like it's inspired by iss. All the power modules, habitat volume, the computer system, etc are all different.

>>15100604
The more you post about carriers the more I'm convinced they're just a vanity project undertaken by an insecure governemnt that's desperate to keep up with the image projected by the American military. Chinese carriers are just a floating version of the USSR's Eneriga-Buran mistake from forty years ago.

It doesn't really matter anyway. China's aircraft are all trash.

>>15100634
They should engineer humans capable of withstanding any level of gravity at all.

>>15100634
>we aren't interested in the planets we conquer, only the space between them

>>15100644
In an effort to discredit Chinese military ambitions, you'd discredit the entire American military goals. Lol. That's harsh isn't it? But then again, you had no choice.

>>15100649
It's true. Control the roads and you control the world. No no need to control the cities.

>>15100637
I was going to say something snarky about how cheap Chinese electronics wouldn't be an improvement over their soviet counterparts, but they probably are. Computers were always a massive weakness in Soviet space programs.

>>15100653
How so? China's carriers are a vanity project that gains them nothing of significant value but consumes a lot of their military budget to build and maintain. China might have wide-ranging economic ambitions but its military ambitions end about five miles past Taiwan. If you need a carrier group to force project to somewhere that's in your own backyard you've got problems.

>>15100649
Reminder that Abh Hell is a very real place and those who make themselves enemies of the Empire WILL be sent there.

>>15100672
China's ambition extends toward the sky. That's the whole point about space development project. Also you've noted how cheap Chinese electronics are. Sure, but remember 90% of computer electronics come from China today. The best of the iphones and the worst of the cheap Chinese $1 alibaba toys. Their carriers and space ambitions can either be seen as peaceful/harmless/cheap toys or they could be seen as the state of the art technology depending on whos got an agenda. The Chinese gov wants you to believe they're harmless, the American gov wants to prepare for the worst, the Chinese ambitioks reaches to the sky, and the people like us are debating where the truth lies. Are they trash? Or do they have real technical engineering excellence in them? How come Russia can't fake it like the Chinese can? Or the Iranian or North Koreans?
Is china the only one able to fake everything enough to fool the US military but not geniuses like us?

>>15100637
It LITERALLY fucking is a licensed copy. Even the fucking shape is the same fucking shape that the DOS modules that had to be fitted inside the the small Proton fairing had. Saying it "inspired" it is so fucking disingenuous I don't even know where to begin. Most of the fucking shit China uses is hardware they were able to get their hands on during the fall off the USSR. I can mention countless examples. YF-100 (the only engine they have made worth a shit)? RD-120 copy. Their flight suits? Literally just sokol suits. Their EVA suits? Literally just Orlan ones. The Shenzhou? Literally build around the design of the Soyuz hardware.

China does great work in space, you fucking bug people thinking you got there by your own means rather than literally just refurbishing Soviet hardware is fucking disingenuous.

>>15100690
>peaceful China
Why do you focus on this topic so much? No one thinks that away. Everybody knows that they're yet another country with imperialist ambitions.

>>15100697
Mate I have to tell you that many many people do think they are peaceful and only want to free “the global south” or whatever. Both Chinese and otherwise

>>15100694
You do realise the chinese manned space program dates to the early 60s and Shenzhou is as different from Soyuz as it it is from Crew Dragon?

>>15100582
They can’t do it. They don’t have a launcher capable of it and they don’t have reactors capable of it. They haven’t hit all their aerospace milestones and recently just pushed several back

What does it mean to be a true spacer?

stop giving (You)s to this retard please

read 2001 nights

>>15100707
Leftist hate for space exploration and colonization is hilarious. They hate humanity so much it's sad.

>>15100707
>being a cheerleader for tightly monitored corporate cagie wagies who live in a metal pod in the middle of a total wasteland and strictly follow orders from the earth command center
>being a heckin' oldschool explorer
>literally the same thing! you wouldn't get it!
Mental illness.

>>15100708
This retard fills a hole in my heart that was left bleeding when our own Russian methalox engine supremacy poster was killed fighting in the Donbas.

>>15100704
And you do realize the little the chinese space program accomplished before the 90's was thanks to the technology transfer during the late 50's from the Soviet Union?

You do realize was LITERALLY built by using the Soyuz as the foundation right? The Dragon is an entirely seperate spacecraft with entirely different roots. The Shenzhou is just a slighly bigger Soyuz is deeply rooted in the Soyuz design.

Again, why are you bug people so incredibly disingenuous? It's pretty fucking clear you know fucking shit about the chinese space program and its history.

>>15100715
Seek medications, schizo.

>>15100704
Nigger the Shenzhou was literally built from a technology transfer China did with Russia in the 90's lmao. They even went as faf as bringing in a bunch of Russian engineers to work on it. Even the life support and docking system are basically identical kek

>>15100730
You are just like a viking, champ. A brave explorer of the imageboard wilderness. :^)

>China launch their astronauts in Soviet spacesuits, on a rocket using soviet engines, in a spacecraft built from soviet technology thay launches to their space station using soviet modules
Can't make this shit up kek. Imagine if they managed to get their hands on prime American hardware. No wonder they're banned from the ISS.

>>15100731
Literally all the preliminary work on shenzhou was done in the late 70s/early 80s retard

>>15100737
Rumor is that they got a lot of bits for their mars lander/rover by breaking into JPL's servers.

>>15100740
>In 1994, Russia sold some of its advanced aviation and space technology to the Chinese. In 1995 a deal was signed between the two countries for the transfer of Russian Soyuz spacecraft technology to China. Included in the agreement was training, provision of Soyuz capsules, life support systems, docking systems, and space suits
>The hardware and information sold by the Russians led to heavy modifications of the original Phase One spacecraft, eventually called Shenzhou, which loosely translated means “divine vessel.”

Kill yourself you retarded chinksect

>>15100717
for real?

>>15100518
The fundamental weakness for our species is that we've pretty much lost the plot on the age of adventure. The leadership majority doesn't want to go to tomorrow, they want to either go to past or maintain the status quo technologically and instead advance a social cause instead. We have no bases on the moon or Mars, and we're 50 years behind the curve of where NASA was ready to go and had the technical acumen to pull it off. Nuclear takes too fucking long to really ramp up, which has led to a stagnated development in ICE space and an overbearing supply chain that now is engaging in all kinds of bass ackwards corruption oriented shaped policies to perpetuate it despite a golden opportunity to completely overhaul the energy economy. No floating cities or subsurface cities on the ocean floor. Transportation networks by and large suck all over.

And due to the piss poor handling of the pandemic, countries left and right are tearing each other apart because statistically significant portion of the population thinks its a bioweapon at worst, and at best, was an experiment that shouldn't have been done in the first place and may have uninentionally been transmitted leading to total population, supply chain, socioeconomic devastation.

Oh and the fifth estate which is expected to hold the first four estates accountable has been unveiled to be basically in bed with at every opportunity, in every aspect of society, unrelentingly. Trying to be optimistic towards a better tomorrow is like trying to climb mount everest using a piece of twine.

>>15100747

>>15100744
>Mainland Chinese people really don’t have the ethical problems with copying that the west does
T. My Chinese GF who has been to the mainland a lot and has family there

The Soviet obsessed autists itt and pretty based, they know their shit.

>>15100747
Neat but still doesn't mean the modern Tiangong module is MIR clone. The Chinese learned, copied and built a clone. But that was 20 years ago. They did the same thing with the carrier program, jet engine program, submarine program, nuclear program etc. Knowledge was transfered from on hand to another and then new tech came forward.

Same thing with the entire rocket industry in the us/Soviet being born from Nazis. No one today claims Merlin engine is Nazi engine clone. Lots happened.

>>15100777
Scientifically speaking Nazis copied it from the Chinese gunpowder/cannon inventions. And thus all engines are clones of Chinese invention.

Further more, the Chinese copied cave men who made fires with rocks. Thus rockets are copies of cavemen rock bangings.

Chinese knockoffs have always been a thing, and will always be a thing. Also they'll always be lower quality lol.

>>15100777
Why do you INSIST on bullshitting about matters you have absolutely no clue about? Are you unironically some butthurt Chink? When I mean that the tianhe core module is a MIR module cope I mean that it literally is. It's built from what was gotten during a technology transfer of various DOS modules technology from Russia. It specifically is a DOS-7 and DOS-8 module hardware with some modification and modernization. For fuck sake the chinks didn't even bother to change the shape. The only reason the diameter becomes smaller in the middle is because it had to fit inside the Proton fairing. The Long March 5B doesn't have this problem.

This is comparable to a Merlin 1B engine vs a Merlin 1D engine. Not to fucking V2 engines you disinenguous subhuman bug.

>>15100788

I think some people here don't understand space is for all of mankind and every programs have international contribution, there's no "russian" or "chinese" spaceflight, there's only mankind. There's no "stealing", only contribution.

>>15100788
kek get'em anon

>>15100794
It's so true

>>15100794
Contribute me an order of sweet 'n sour chicken and don't forget the fried rice

>>15100788
So now we're bargaining from a copy to an evolution? Lmao. Cope

>>15100775
/sfg/ actually knows a lot of spaceflight shit when it bothers to get autistic about it. That's why I like this guy. He's wrong in obnoxious ways that make people want to show off their own superior western knowledge to correct him.

next thread will be better

>>15100802
>yeah bro, the hardware, the life support system, the engines, the docking system and a lot more maybe are literally the same but we put new computers (created from stolen American technology) on it so it's proof of Chinese technology!

>>15100552
>transit detection

why can't someone copy tks

They probably could've copied the Saturn V if we'd sold 'em one on the cheap.

>>15100726
fucking YES

>>15100812
>It's just a copy bro, nothing changed because bugmen it's all fake bro

>>15100821
Yep, glad you get it.

>>15100530
Spinhabs lack authenticity. It's like living in an apartment block.
That's why ayylmaos go to all the trouble to come here and bother us with their tictac ships. They crave the authenticity of visiting a real living ecosystem, not a park floating in space.

>>15100544
So that's why it's so hot today.

>>15100524
This, if you particularly want habitable worlds it'll be an easy job after the practice we get with Mars (an actual shithole).

https://twitter.com/FelixSchlang/status/1610796650288582659?t=ixUeM7mmO5ZEc6jDoU4dQw&s=19

Another Starship heatshield production simplification achieved

>>15100810
Avatar thread was more fun

>>15100523
Solving interstellar travel isn’t a velocity problem, it’s an acceleration problem

>>15100823
nevertheless, o'neill cylinders with propulsion blocks or laser sails might be the best way to settle other stars.

>>15100815
Love these module sized spacecrafts. The ATV was neat. Hopefully we will see Dragon XL soon enough.

>>15100829

>>15100834

quick poll, because we're on the topic of interstellar travel: do we think crewed relativistic travel will ever be possible? Last night I calculated that it'd need a beam strength in the hundreds of petawatts over several years, or something like that.

>>15100817
Maybe, but they still would have have Soviet-style problems getting the vehicle from the factory in the west to the pad in the eastern interior. China uses rail just as heavily as the USSR did which is why the first gen Long March rockets are all built out of parts that max out at 3.35x23m, just the way Russia couldn't land transport anything bigger than 4.1x25m. There's also the issue that the F-1 engine itself has a larger diameter than the average LM core stage, so even transporting one around would be an issue.

If you'd given them a set of Saturn V parts they might have decided to go and build a conventionally proportioned but all hydrolox Long March using the J-2 instead of a more straightforward copy.

>>15100832
Yes, or perhaps a robotic vehicle pushed by laser propulsion, that can set up a beam station on the other end by itself.
Then you can have two-way beam powered propulsion back and forth as you please.

>>15100836
I think yes.
Once you get to 50% c you may as well settle for that.
Pushing farther into the relativistic range is just pouring energy into time dilation for little gain.

Late 90s KBKhM Methalox engine tests

>>15100835
>>15100834
>>15100829
I don't quite get it, how does this simplify heatshield production? Reducing complexity in the geometry of the ship by removing parts that were used for handling the vehicle during production?

>>15100834
Modular cockpits like ksp?

>>15100850
>refusbishable cockpits

>>15100847
They had to do heat shield gymnastics around moving starship. Now that debacle is avoided entirely.

>>15100842
1986 Japanese (IHI) Methalox test

>>15100853
Couldn't they have just done something like this

https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/nasa-to-test-massive-inflatable-heat-shield

>>15100857
Hard to make them reusable for mars is my guess. Most old NASA mars plans used and discarded inflatable heat shields, probably because they get in the way of engines and are hard to deflate in 30 seconds

>>15100831
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_sail

It is my time to shine

>>15100836
I doubt it will ever happen not really due to physical limitations, but because it would be so absurdly resource expensive it becomes unpractical.

the first starship is supposed to land in the water offshore of hawaii but when will it land on land or a ship?

>>15100861
These are potentially really interesting, even more so if that "dynamic soaring on the solar wind shockwave" thing actually works.

How did it work

>>15100865
What about the eelectric sail?? looks like it could be a bit easier to build

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_sail

>>15100865
Did someone say dynamic soaring?
But seriously, 2% of light speed for "free" is huge. Hope they're right.

>>15100868
Via scene-transition drive

>>15100877
Hahahaha

>>15100868
High midichlorian count

>>15100518
By the time humans are doing large scale interstellar travel, terraforming mars-like planets would be relatively trivial.

>>15100864
it's going to literally fall into the water

Beamed starship calculator, for your amusement and pleasure
https://rjdlee.com/projects/calculator/

>>15100875
It all depends on whether or not that plasma magnet works as advertised. I'm skeptical ever since the M2P2 debacle. But apparently this one works differently has been tested in the laboratory.

We’re so back bros

>>15100885
This engine would make it to mars in 1 month

https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/10.2514/6.2020-4082

https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/2018_Phase_I_Phase_II/PulsedFission-Fusion_Propulsion_Concept/#:~:text=The%20pulsed%20fission%20fusion%20propulsion,energy%20for%20the%20next%20pulse.

>Pulsed Fission-Fusion (PuFF) propulsion is reliant on principles similar to magneto-inertial fusion, It aims to solve the problem of the extreme stress induced on containment by an Orion-like motor by ejecting the plasma obtained from small fuel pellets that undergo autocatalytic fission and fusion reactions initiated by a Z-pinch.

It is in essence a fusion rocket that uses a Z-pinch configuration, but coupled with a fission reaction to boost the fusion process.

>One "pulse" consist of the injection of a fuel pellet into the combustion chamber, its consumption through a series of fission-fusion reactions, and finally the ejection of the released plasma through a magnetic nozzle, thus generating thrust. A single pulse is expected to take only a fraction of a second to complete.

>Falcon 9 carried 114 spacecraft to orbit that were set to deploy across 82 deployments, 78 of which have been confirmed. Teams are continuing to review data, though it may take customers some time to provide additional information on the status of their payloads

Uh oh…did 4 payloads fail to deploy?

>>15100916
I guarantee you any loss of payload is likely the customer’s fault

>>15100916
not a bad failure rate

>>15100918
Hopefully, but SpaceX’s official website also notes that only 78 of 82 deployments are confirmed

>>15100923
The issue is that if it’s SpaceX’s fault, this would be their first failure in 160isj launches

>>15100829
>>15100834
Starship slowly becoming a shittle piece by piece? Perhaps all ambitious spaceships are doomed to this

>>15100925
This is 1000 times less important than Zuma’s failure

>>15100927
Nature inevitably makes crabs, space programs inevitably makes shuttles. Both are doomed to stay forever on the Earth.

>>15100916
By ULA's definition of success this mission was perfect.

>>15100836
>>15100862
if some form of suspended animation/cryosleep is not ever attainable, i believe crewed relativistic travel will eventually be pursued. probably it'd require heavily built up laser propulsion infrastructure though

>>15100857
>>15100859
Its bad for rapid reuse in general

>>15100955
I was talking mainly about energy. Current light sail proposals are just for micro probes, not full scale crewed craft.

>>15100899
What M2P2 debacle?

>>15100952

>>15100966
In the next scene he was gonna say he was Iron Man

>>15100960
It really depends on the scale of the lasers or charged beams deployed in the future. If we somehow develop a constant multi petawatt laser it would be possible to propel crewed vessels to relativistic speeds but I could easily see that never being the case. Is*ac Arth*r says stellar pumped lasers but I think the solar atmosphere might be too turbulent to be used for lasing.

>>15100927
>>15100936
No retard, literally all this does is this removes the need for hard points on the nosecone that are on the heat shield. No change to the starship hardware itself, just some of the handling hardware has been simplified.

>>15100936
Starship will probably succeed, if only for the ridiculous margins. Whether it is more economical than sending a big dumb second stage will still have to be proven

>>15100972
I actually just watched that today lmao. I totally forgot tony stark mentions merlin engines

>>15100963
It doesn't work.
M2P2 was supposed to inject plasma into a magnetic field, causing the field to expand into a mini-magnetosphere and act as a sail catching the solar wind. But better modelling showed that the solar wind doesn't transfer force via the mini-magnetosphere to the ship, but rather just pushed the plasma away and causes it to leak.
This Plasma Magnet design is quite different and MAY be more successful. Here's the relevant wiki page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_sail#Plasma_magnet_(PM)

>>15100980
>>15100972
Iron Man 1 is legitimately a good movie

>>15100973
Has anyone calculated how much energy it would require for a ISS-sized light sail craft to get to Proxima Centauri in a reasonable time? And what kind of infrastructure the lasers would require?

>>15100989
There are quite a few good Marvel movies, but it became a cool kids trend to hate them all.

>>15100990
When you' re talking abut interstellar travel you really need to pin down what you mean by "reasonable time."

>>15100966
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8A1kukGVc0
Mr. Shelby GET DOWN! He's gonna say the D word!

>>15100989
I liked it.

>>15100990
Use this
https://rjdlee.com/projects/calculator/

>>15100836
One aspect I don't see getting discussed often: How would the crew perceive time? I'm rusty on relativity now, but as far as I remember they would age slower if they are at a decent speed, but I have no idea how much.

>>15100993
Before dying, so I say 30 years at most.

>>15100990
Ok, I calcd and it looks like around 100 tw sustained

>>15100989
Yeah

>>15100916
Thats 114 Electron rockets not launching. LMAO

>>15100934
>Zuma’s failure

>>15101022
Not quite. A lot of those payloads are cubesats or smaller, and they'd get launched in flocks even on Electron. If you divided Falcon 9's RTLS SSO payload capacity by Electron's max payload it's only something like 40 Electrons that are getting cucked out of their customers.

>>15100502
>Mars mafia
JPL?

>>15101053
>only something like 40 Electrons
I think this is still too high. I hope Neutron starts working fast, I really want Rocket Lab to succeed.

>>15101082
what a jarring gif, I prefer the original

>>15101083
Neutron will compete with Starship lol

What’s more complex a launch vehicle or a nuclear submarine

>>15101094
At least they could launch rival constellations.

>>15101101
Submarine

>>15101083
Rocket Lab needs to give up on building launch vehicles if they want to survive

>>15101101
The submarine.

>>15101110
>launch 400 on starship for $50 million
>launch 40 on neutron for $50 million

10X the price, lost time due to needing to launch 10 different times, with 10x more failure rate (assuming similar level of failure rates with 10x more launch resulting in 10x chance of failure)

Uncompetitive.

>>15101012
Not great, not terrible.

>>15101128
You’re not considering the fact that some (probably most) people will only have 40 widgets and not 400. Plus muh second options that the gooberment likes. Plus 8T is unironically a good sweet spot. 25T like the long march 5 is a bit too much, and 100-150T is a hell of a lot. Oh starship will be dirt cheap? Not for a while

Okay, so the future is just SpaceX monopolizing the whole launch industry?

>>15101137
And that’s a good thing

>>15101137
Not so fast

>>15101143
Blagina will never have a significant cut of the launch market, ever

>>15101136
If they only have 40 widgets, would they rather spend $50 million dollar or $5 million dollar on ride share?

>>15100719
chinks are compulsive liars with massive cognitive dissonance.

>>15100733
t. sour grapes

>>15101143
>The last Starship launch occured over 6 months before this photo was taken
What the fuck

>>15101159
Good luck finding 150T worth of payload spread over dozens or even hundreds of customers all willing to go to the exact same inclination
>just put a kick stage in starship
Well spacex doesn’t have one on the table so your total launch cost probably just went up by at least $50 mil for a third-party stage to take you where you want to go

Why did SpaceX totally redesign dragon for Dragon V2? Why didn’t they just crew rate Dragon 1?

>>15101183
Its called Starlink. Starlink will launch with other satellite just like they current do with dual customer launches with F9 today.

>>15101183
The idea is that Starship’s launch cost will be low enough that a single starship could carry a Transporter-sized armada of small sats for a lower price than Falcon 9

Starship will never launch in 2023
it's ogre

Word on L2 is that SpaceX wants to do a full stack WDR first, and then move on to the 33 engine static.

Do note that L2 is often wrong so don’t take it as gospel

>>15101198
Thats the word on twitter lmao the CSI nigga saying Starships is prepping for WDR tests after the load tests.

>>15101199
Yeah SpaceXnigga’s video was cool. I really hope the crane testing doesn’t take weeks as he believes

>>15101143
The sad thing is, Blue Origin would still survive even if SeX ate the whole launch market, because they have infinite bezobucks and will sell trips to rich fags. Rocket Lab can potentially die with the success of Starship.
I want to vomit bros.

>>15101207
Isn’t RocketLab already dying, just slowly? Most of their earnings calls have slim to no profit and Neutron isn’t even in development

>>15101207
RocketLab may survive if NZ/Australia cooperate to do more space business. It will become a gov venture since then.

>>15101207
One single person cannot support a launch company. New Shep is already difficult enough. A giant ass New Glenn that costs a fortune to make and requires the yearly GDP of a micronation just to fill up with fuel is crazy unsustainable on a single person’s pocket. We have to hope that between vulcan, neutron, and terran r that the US government won’t want shit to do with new glenn. Kuiper might be the only thing that ever flies on a NG. This most likely changes though if national team is selected. This especially changed if neutron and/or hard r fail

Weird question
Whats stopping Enlon from sticking a launch stage under the entire starbase or whatever his flagship dick is
Like, an entire fucking can of rockets underneath starcity so that it doesnt have to launch weird

>>15101218
BOs lobbying will be too strong we all know it

what's the likelyl future outlook for korea's space ambitions?

>>15101226

>>15101230
KSLV-II can do almost 3 tons to LEO. Maybe KSLV-III will be a medium lift launcher the size of Antares.

>>15101226
wat

>>15101226

Total proonter supremacy https://twitter.com/relativityspace/status/1605999504330608640

>>15101226
Like... like in borderlands 2?

>>15101267
How long has their rocket been at the launch facility now?

>>15101308
Two weeks

2344 days until the launch of DAVINCI

>>15101312
>Atmospheric entry: 2031-2032
holy fuck, and this is WITHOUT any setbacks that will inevitably happen. I’ll be 35 years old holy shit

There will be the day the SS orbital launch will actually be 2 weeks from then but we won't know until after the event.

>>15101316
I always think of this haha

>>15101312
Wow it’s just around the corner

>>15101315
Jesus I’ll be out of medschool and in residency by then

Seems like the slow down with starship/starlink stuff is cuz of hls, based on what the leaker said.
>The idea is under consideration, however not with the Roadster, but with an F9 Stage 2. This is a long term low priority project similar to sea launch/landing development. Starlink launches have also been shelved in favor of HLS development for the time being. Satellite recovery and deployment will eventually be the mainstay of Starship workload in the future.

>>15101256
>>15101284
Imagine for a moment, Starship or whatever the fuck, but with a SSTO battery below it. Sole purpose? Let Starship hit orbit without wasting a drop of fuel.
Literally just the largest tube of rockets known to man, to allow such an amazing feat.

>>15101347
That’s what super heavy is for

>>15101347
Are you retarded?

>>15101330
Lol that’s a quote from AstronStellar on Reddit, a prominent SpaceX leaker there.

Does bode interesting news for Starlink V2 though, maybe they’ll be stuck at Falcon 9-sized

>>15101347
A fully reusable first stage makes SSTO unnecessary.

>>15100832
Best way is to move the sun itself and bring the rest of the solar system along for the ride

So they are welding the doors shut because of a design issue? So that's the reason for v2 SL on falcon.

Neither SpaceX nor Blue Origin have updated their websites to say copyright 2023 at the bottom. I just find that interesting, I don’t know if anyone here cares lol

>>15101347
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsSlXk0lA5g

>>15101384
So if they weld the doors shut how do the astronauts get out when they get to Mars?

>>15101330
Told you guys,but no one fucking listens. SpaceX will launch LESS rockets this year than last year as a result. They dont have enough capital to blow on Starlink launches, HLS is way behind and Starship still isnt even orbital and it's essentially years late

Elon bros..

Well, at least this gives some time for other launchers to catch on with SpaceX.

>>15101427
Tard post

Spacex won't even last this entire year. I've been telling you retard sheep this but you just don't listen...

>>15101448
dont take it personal anon

While thinking about Earth-like planets we like to compare these planets well... to Earth. But Earth may be most habitable planet imaginable. If you could copy Earth and change it's parameters, like in universe sandbox, what parameters would you change to make Earth even more habitable?

>>15101463
Higher oxygen levels

>>15101468
*house gets overrun by dog-sized spiders and then burns down*

>>15101463
France doesn't exist.

>>15101483
Yeah but think of that bug pussy that becomes fuckable

>>15101463
think about earths atmosphere 3 billion years ago when life began

>>15100454

>>15101463
Rearrange the landmass more towards the center latitudes in a way that there is more coastal area and less uninterrupted stretches of ocean. Stable temperatures and less space for giga storms to gather energy as a bonus.

>>15101520
>quoting roasties
cringe

>>15101137
Eh, if the EU manages to pass a buy European act (which would become more palatable if the German Small sat launchers succeed) then no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLMN7uXBRYM

Will it launch?

>>15100989
I've never seen anyone argue otherwise. The fact that it comes from a time when superhero fatigue didn't set in also helps.

>>15101137
No because Starship is never launching.

>>15101143
Everyone is fast when compared to Blue Origin.

I'll have what he's having
>>15101347
>>15101226

>>15101463
reduce gravity a little bit so orbit is much easier
axial tilt to 14 degrees so it gets less miserable in the winter

>>15101347
>SSTO battery

>>15101535
he looks absolutely sickly

>>15101565
DIABETUS

>>15101463
This is a stealth recruitment test

>>15101427
Eh they still got a good 50+ commercial and institutional customers, plus they still gotta launch starlink/shield for the government, they’ll probably achieve the 60 launches of last year

>>15101581
customer payloads almost always get hopelessly delayed

>>15100927
Why cant we do one off mass produced cargo lightship acorns that we ablate into orbit? Is that not a cool enough method? Literally riding a beam of light into space? 100x launches a day per spaceport x16/spaceports... Terraform venus in t minus 300 earth years, freeze me if i dont live to see it

Why is cork used in some heat shields and not other?

It is the beginning of the new beginning...and that is to explore the heavens.

>>15101639
because it gets too hot for cork so they get a better heat shield

>>15101581
Don't reply t>>15101581
o the concern troll

>>15101490
kek

dead

>>15101718
There is no life in the void.

>>15101463
much denser atmosphere, no axial tilt, short day-night cycle (perhaps 4 hours) and a 30km supertall mountain because why not. Also oceans that aren't salty

>>15101726
>short day-night cycle (perhaps 4 hours)
Who tf wants to live on Strobe World?

>>15101726
>Also oceans that aren't salty
Gross, they would get all slimy and you wouldn't float right

>>15100772
>My Chinese GF
sasuga obese stinky loser kun

>>15101775
What use is the ISS if we can't even figure out what a space vacuum mummy looks like?

>>15101753
because lakes are slimy

>>15101570
>Can you afford a Magrathean planet.
We're mostly B Ark material in here.

>>15101101
submarine by far

>>15101794
nooooooo my heckin white racerinoooooooooo

>>15101101
plane

Nice view
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1611024931348959232

>>15101894
When is Elon going to fix the video quality on twitter?

>>15101463
same as that anon water wise. Also remove Israel, why not?

>>15101897
That only increases costs and doesn't generate revenue.

Elon will make a great president of Mars

>>15101463
Highest elevation is a band around the equator, a continuous strip of paradise hugging the globe. That whole region is too nice to be mostly sea, fuck the ocean.

>>15101849
At least the phones we post from are spotless

>>15101926
Equatorial climates are horrible, you want to maximize the land area that has southern France/northern Californian conditions

>>15101933
>Equatorial climates are horrible
because they are wet

>>15101933
>Equatorial climates are horrible
They look tropical and lovely, aside from the occasional typhoon. I want endless sun and surf.

$1.3 billion a year and growing

>>15101939
You can have that with the warm part of temperate zone/cool part of the subtropics

>>15100454
Goddamn that pic look really good from the catalog.

>>15100458
what's those brown lines/marks? are they rusted welds

>>15100474
>>15100479
>>15100497
SpaceX built hardware in 2019 to ship Starship on barges from Cocoa, Florida to the KSC for testing. SS production at Cocoa was cancelled in January 2020 in favor of Boca Chica.

So yeah, SS was capable of being transported horizontally, but only if pressurized, just like classic 1960's Atlas

>>15101894
KINO ALERT

>>15100788
Tiane only bears superficial resamblance to Mir Core/Zvezda.
General layout and APAS are Russian, everything else is different (electric vs hypergolic propulsion, solar array tech, ECLSS, computers, internal layout)

Shenzhou is mostly a large Soyuz but
Wentian and Mengtian, Xuntian, Tiangong-1&2/Tianzhou are completely Chinese designs with no foreign tech inside.

After Phase 2 Chinese Space Station will have internal volume comparable to the ISS, while being a lot lighter, so its goal seems to be to rival the ISS.

>>15101143

>>15100519
fail what?

>>15102014
Me

>>15101463
Lower the mass of the Sun to smaller yellow dwarf or bigger orange dwarf to extend it's life time.
Lower the mass of Earth to make it easier to get into orbit (but not so much it looses the atmosphere).
Concentrate the landmasses in the temperate regions, but still leave some in the other regions.
Make the continents easier to find from each other, this way the age of colonialism never happens in this Earth.
Let the moon have more underground ice.

>>15101463
I'd rather just move most of the atmosphere of Venus to Mars.

>>15102117
What is the fucking point into giving more atmosphere to Venus? Ideally you'd take from it and put at Mars or the Moon.

>>15102118
>>15102117
fuck i'm sorry anon i just woke up, can't read shit right

>>15101565
>americans when they see a normal-sized man

>Teams are continuing to review data
Kek so they lost 4 sets of cubesats seems like.

24 in the air

>>15102174
AND WE HAVE A LIFTOFF

Hell yeah the Io images are finally on JunoCam's website. A shame they are small but this will get better with the next flybys. I need to understand how those stripe images work.

So I guess it's official now.
Falcon Heavy launching on 12th January

>>15102201
It's just another glowsat?

>>15102212
>United Space States Force
Most likely

>>15102174
The FAA has not authorized this. Shut it down.

>>15102265
I miss 2018 Elon when everyone loved him

>>15102271
woman moment

>>15102271
Hell no, it was unfathomably cringe when people called him the IRL Tony Stark. I wish people just had a normal view of him.

Road closure canceled tomorrow. Booster 7 rollout delayed due to clamp testing

>>15102300
its over SeX bros...

How can I know which strip was taken with which filter? I want to assemble the new Io images.

I like to imagine this is a propulsive landing on an exoplanet. Like fertilizing a planet if you know what i mean.

>>15102212
>Continuous Broadccast Augmenting SATCOM
Yeah, that's a glowsat alright.

>>15102312
there should be metadata

>>15102319
>Like fertilizing a planet if you know what i mean.
You like to cum on dirt?

>>15102325
I downloaded it but it's a .json file. I have no idea what I should do with it.

>>15102333
you should look at it.
http://jsonviewer.stack.hu/

>>15102341
There is nowhere I can upload a file, and the URL field doesn't accept the link from the Juno site.

>>15102352
Brother how are you gonna stitch together images if you're unable to copy paste the file contents into the box

>>15102333
Just open it like a text file

>>15102333
Open it in Notepad++ or Sublime.
The syntax highlighting should make it easier for you to read without having to use a viewer.

>>15102357
>>15102363
Ah that was it then.
There still isn't anything useful inside it.

>>15102365
The filter names are right there. What is it then you're looking for?

>>15102381
It's not just filter names, I need to know which stripe was taken with which filter. Io appears in 5 stripes in the first image, and the first blank stripe is a third of the size.

>>15102391
>Like previous MSSS cameras (e.g., Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter’s Mars Color Imager) Junocam is a "pushframe" imager. The detector has multiple filter strips, each with a different bandpass, bonded directly to its photoactive surface. Each strip extends the entire width of the detector, but only a fraction of its height; Junocam's filter strips are 1600 pixels wide and about 155 rows high. The filter strips are scanned across the target by spacecraft rotation. At the nominal spin rate of 2 RPM, frames are acquired about every 400 milliseconds. Junocam has four filters: three visible (red/green/blue) and a narrowband "methane" filter centered at about 890 nm.
>The spacecraft spin rate would cause more than a pixel's worth of image blurring for exposures longer than about 3.2 milliseconds. For the illumination conditions at Jupiter such short exposures would result in unacceptably low SNR, so the camera provides Time-Delayed-Integration (TDI). TDI vertically shifts the image one row each 3.2 milliseconds over the course of the exposure, cancelling the scene motion induced by rotation. Up to about 100 TDI steps can be used for the orbital timing case while still maintaining the needed frame rate for frame-to-frame overlap. For Earth Flyby the light levels are high enough that TDI is not needed except for the methane band and for nightside imaging.
>Junocam pixels are 12 bits deep from the camera but are converted to 8 bits inside the instrument using a lossless "companding" table, a process similar to gamma correction, to reduce their size. All Junocam products on the missionjuno website are in this 8-bit form as received on Earth. Scientific users interested in radiometric analysis should use the "RDR" data products archived with the Planetary Data System, which have been converted back to a linear 12-bit scale.
https://www.missionjuno.swri.edu/junocam/processing#AboutJunoCamImages

>>15102328
Onan IS an anagram of anon, after all.

>>15102403
The image you posted are actually 12 frames with the spacecraft rotating. Seems like the "methane filter" is cut off though.
I think the zoom level is the same between the filters, the reason for the step must be a delay switching filters while the spacecraft is continuously rotating.

>>15102418
Actually no this >>15102312 image is 10 frames.
Picrel is 12 so it varies. Just divide the height by 384. Each filter strip should be 1648x128 then

How would spaceflight develop to am alien civilization? Would their rocketry basically undergo convergent evolution with ours?

>>15102423
picrel

>>15102423
>>15102426
I wonder why there is a discrepancy with the 1600x155 stated here >>15102403

>>15102424
More BirrinKino

>>15102426
Jupiter is beautiful

>>15102424
We had the Moon luring us, if they don't have that would they bother with crewed spaceflight or just stick to satellites for quotidian purposes? On the other hand if they live on a exomoon, other moons orbiting their primary might spur them on much more than us.

>>15100704
Chinese made significant, domestic updates to Soyuz with Shenzhou.
People often don't give Chinese enough credit, but this is just silly contrarian take.

>>15102424
We would probably adopt most of their shit judging by the apparent black projects that are being made by Lockheed and Northrop. The black manta appears to be a combination of human and extraterrestrial tech.

https://www.military.com/video/aircraft/military-aircraft/tr-3b-aurora-anti-gravity-spacecrafts/2860314511001

Weird UAP shit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6s5RwqnnLM&t=6s

https://www.3af.fr/global/gene/link.php?doc_id=4566&fg=1

https://thedebrief.org/incursions-at-the-border-homeland-security-agents-tell-of-encounters-with-uap/

My guess is that it is electrodeless plasma thrust nuclear technology.

>>15102424
I guess that would be the case if their planet is Earthlike. But I do wonder how would an aquatic octopus-like civilization would do spaceflight. How would an atmosphere without much oxygen affect it? Would they use a floating launch pad above the sea? How would an EVA suit even work with tentacles?

>>15102467
the ufo schizo is back in town

>>15102474
I never left, faggot. i was the one talking about magnetic sails earlier

>>15101933
Terrible. I'd rather maximize land conditions similar to upstate new york/pennsylvania. I hate med climates and love humid continental.

>>15102471
I guess rockets could launch like ICBM's from submarines. Or they could use floating platforms like you said if that's easier, but I don't think there's any huge issues with submarine launches.

Anyway, manned spaceflight would be a huge hassle for them, considering they'd have to fill their habitats with water = huge payload bump.

>>15100458
lmao what an ugly unfunctionial tin can.

>>15102510
oops wrong pic

Bros I’m obsessed with Interstellar spaceflight

1/2

>>15102514

2/2

>>15102514
welcome to the club

>>15102510
>posts a great looking heat shield
that part has no reason to not survive reentry take your meds.

>>15102510
the forbidden cream

>>15102499
OK but you are in the small minority as millions of tourists leaving muggy central Europe for the Med resorts every summer shows

>>15102510
I want SS Oreos.

>>15100454
Lockheed Martin will colonize Mars before SpaceX with black project tech you don't even know exsists

>>15102575
It's not the same going someplace for vacation knowing that in a few weeks (or whenever you please) you will be back home.
I don't live on the equator, but a friend of mine does and he describes it as "perpetual humid summer" which to me sounds exactly like hell.

>>15102592
Thats the spirit!

>>15101968
they should transport the launch tower vertically with it

KSP is free on the Epic Gaymes store, if anyone is interested.

>>15102281
the fact that they call him Tony Stark when he probably couldn't solder a few wires is what's cringe

>>15102593
It's not just holidaymakers, lots of Euros retire there too. Your friend is quite right about the unpleasantness of the equator, the natives don't like it much either but have just had to lump it until air conditioning arrived

>>15102607
I think he is closer to an IRL Cave Johnson, and even yet I wouldn't call him that.

>>15102312
http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php?showtopic=8742&st=15&start=15
this forum intensely discusses JUNO image processing

>>15102611
Elon is more like Zuckerberg in that one movie

>>15102612
Damn, I was just checking volcanopele's twitter a few moments ago. I gave up on those images, there's just a lot of people who can do a lot better than me. I'll wait for closer flybys to play with them.

>>15102593
I'd rather have permanent humid summers than cold hands. I really don't mind warmth when I think about it

>>15102616

>>15102623
>volcanopele
I think that guy worked on some mission actually

>>15102634
I know him from an article he wrote about image processing and the actual colors of Io.

>>15102271
2018 was when Tesla was very close to death to ramp up cost. The media roasted him for the tents and Tesla stock was dying.

There was never a moment when people lived him. It was always a small group of fans. But now the pill of his fan is bigger, but also the haters are in the millions.

would it be possible to get an aerospace job in japan as an american? I have an aerospace engineering degree and work experience with american companies.
before you ask all i want is cheaper gunpla prices

>>15102665
>wanting to uproot your life and live in a foreign country for cheaper plastic robot toys
based autist

>>15102665
cram it

>>15102665
Japan doesn't have the horde of silicon valley style space startups that America has. If you're looking to get into that overseas you'd be better off with Europe or India. If you're just looking for an aerospace job there's probably some opportunity. There's been a lot of crosspollination over the years between various companies in their field.

>>15102684
>Europe or India
if only you knew how bad things really were

>>15102685
Buy a 3D printer. Cheap ones go for 400 euros.

>>15102605
Don’t fall for it nigga

Is it true that every space colony will eventually devolve into an oppressive totalitarian dictatorship? Pic unrelated.

>>15102689
How can anyone know?

>>15102689
The people who talk about that are like Tesla shorters. For one reason or another they're desperately hoping that it's true, and are trying to make it real like a badly forced meme.

RIP Lightsail 2, we hardly knew ye

>>15100584
> Cope: The Movie.
JWST was 25 years late
Chinks haven't missed a date yet, even with covid and now have a Hubble tier telescope that can be repaired anytime. JWST is one micrometeorite away from uselessness.
It's ogre for the burger, half the country seems to think space is a conspiracy by billionaires and should be taxed. You don't have the balls to sacrifice lives in the pursuit of advancement, stick to focusing on what you are good at, gender neutral toilets and letting nigs smash up your cities for fun.

>>15102271
There was literally never a time when "everyone" loved Elon. Go back the early 2000s and he was an out of his element electric car scam artist tech bro environmental hippie (to many). Tesla FUD has always been a thing, first ramped during their IPO (ever wonder why Elon wanted to take Tesla private again? he still might if the stock becomes cheap enough). the FUD got worse in 2018 during the model 3 ramp, and is still bad. 2018 was also the Thailand cave rescue cringe saga which culminated in pedo guy. During 2017 elon was accused of being a Trump supporter simply for being part of that business-government meeting thing. He left it to save face and blamed the paris climate accord withdrawal (lmao). The funny thing is, most of the people who hated elon back in the day love him now, and the redditors who loved him back then now hate him. cause in part by the massive political realignment and propaganda over the last 15 years

>>15102692
Two more weeks

>>15102605
it's not free if im forced to use that niggerfaggot epic games client

>>15102692
>It's ogre
Has anyone who had an actual point to convey ever used this phrase? I can't think of any instances.

Gwynne spotted

>>15102692
>Chinks haven't missed a date yet
I've hear conflicting statements on how accurate they are

>>15102707

>>15102707
>>15102711
I wish Gwynne hosted the next Starship ipdate

>>15102707
Is she a billionaire now? Last time I checked she had a fortune of a couple hundred million dollars.

>>15102707
she's not a fuxking engineer she just paid for it and stands around and does business. the real hero is elon musk behind the scenes. gwynne will set ridiculous goals and elon has to make them real

>>15102605
It's also free on TPB, all the time

>>15102718
>using tpb in current year
ok grandpa

>>15102689
I'm not that pessimistic, I just think colonial governments with be overreaching in an annoying way.
Also, I fucking love that picrel, I need that in my life so much.

>>15102714
meanwhile Elon earning hundreds of billions. It's not fair

>>15102722
What do you mean?

>15102692
>they said it themselves
What part of this haven't you understood yet?

>>15102708
A lot of dates are pretty vague or don't get officially published until the project is most of the way done. There were more than a few slips with the Zhuque-2 recently, and one of the new sinosolids exploded and took out a launch pad sometime last year which led to that rocket's original first flight date being conveniently forgotten.

Chinese delays happen, they just don't get quite as much coverage in the West.

>>15102722
I still use my VCR and N64 too, if it ain't broke don't fix it

>>15102725
leetx is better

>>15102733
do you think they will meet the 2030 sample return date?

>>15102271
The more people hate him, the more I love him

>>15102665
Do you speak Japanese? If you don't then forget it unless your resume is incredible

>>15102725
real niggas use qbitorrent's built in aggregate search (tpb is long dead, and further rest in peace kat) or else join a private tracker, or visit dedicated reputable repackers (fitgirl is god). for indie stuff IGG Games is pretty comprehensive. gog-games com is great if you specifically want GOG releases which are drm free by default

>>15101826
yeah? Have you never seen a lake???? How the fuck would someone not know what algae is?

>>15102746
>qbitorrent's built in aggregate search
thanks I didn't know about this. I've had some luck using btdig though. Do you know If it's easier finding more obscure content in private trackers than public?

>>15102752
That never gets old. Just think that not too long ago most people thought that this wasn't worth doing.

>>15102755
there isn't much. Also think about how much richer life could be in freshwater. Salt is poison and evolution had to go to great lengths to evolve sea creatures n shiet

>>15102756
>mills out an entire space capsule from a giant block of aluminum
>"space is hard this is the only way"

>>15102752
Flying back with style. I will always love this no matter what bullshit Musk does or says.

Has anyone here played Outer Wilds? It's not spaceflight heavy but it's fun if you like space exploration and the world building is great

queen of sfg, loren gash, formerly from the vaj (vage? vag), now of (((bloomberg))) has recently appeared on the off-nominal podcast drinking organic chai (tea not alcoholic) featuring lazy slacking cocksucker son of bich frontend "programmer" anthony fuckangelo and the canadian cuck himself whose name escapes me
https://youtu.be/P_xQGsYKJmU
enjoy

>>15101930
Considering those who stayed behind died of a pandemic caused by a contaminated telephone, I'd say we're doing well.

>>15102761
>Salt is poison
we need 0.5g of sodium a day dingus, should we obtain it by eating the raw metal?

>>15102741
2030-2035 isn't an unreasonable date for any sensible sample return program. It helps that their mission proposal is a lot simpler than the one coming out of JPL and that all of the parts they need have been successfully tested on other missions. They put a lander on the martian surface with Zhurong, and they did sample collection, orbital capture, and Earth return with Chang'e 5. All they need to do is design a new launch system to get their samples to low martian orbit and put all of the rest of the pieces together in a single mission.

My guess is that the delays are more budgetary than technical. China has a big space budget but they need to cover a lot more things with it than NASA or ESA. Right now China is focused on their new space station and the transition to the second generation of Long March rockets. It could be that deep space science missions have just been told that they're a lesser priority and that they need to stretch out their timelines to match the funding they'll be allocated.

>>15102775
That's so stupid. How are you supposed to take one-half a gee of salt per day? Doesn't make sense.

>>15102758
i only use private trackers for stuff i'm actually personally autistic about, so yes but I suppose it depends.

>>15102471
the tethered ring launch bro. it is the answer for everyone

>>15102786
whats this?