/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15089452
1 + 1 will always= 2 no matter where you are in the universe

>>15089482
Would you say the Pythagorean theorem is in the same boat?
And don’t say anything about non Euclidean geometries. The Pythagorean theorem is about triangles in the Euclidean plane.

That humans are getting too cocky

>>15089482
wrong. psued.

>>15089452
It's the language of quantification, intended to be used to translate orders to golem slaves from all backgrounds.

>>15089482
See? No matter where you are or what language or culture or quality you have you can still comprehend and pay interest rates.

>>15089493
>And don’t say anything about non Euclidean geometries. The Pythagorean theorem is about triangles in the Euclidean plane.
That's the joke though.

Name 1 (one) "elementary principle" that's been physics that isn't just an emergent property.

>>15089452
>>15089482
I thought it meant that if we met aliens then they would have the exact same mathematical system, but maybe the notation would be different. Really I kind of think that they might use something else if they're really advanced, maybe something that actually relates to reality instead of estimates reality, i'm not sure what that would be, maybe more reliant on shapes or colors or quantum stuff or something I don't know

It means that mathematics exists in the mind of God as thoughts

"Hello Mr. Alien I'd like sqrt(-1) apples please"

Absolute fools

>>15089452
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_operation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Morgan%27s_laws

These Wikipedia articles are written by Set Theory autists, so let me break this down in simpler terms.

All mathematical operations can be broken down into binary operations, and it is possible to perform any binary operation, with any logical operator, albeit with some adjustments to make up for the differences.

At the end of the day, if they "speak mathematics" this information holds true.
No matter how complex their math. It can be broken down into binary, and it's operations can be completed with even our most basic logic, and vice versa.

We may not be able to use this for fluid communication immediately, but a common starting point can be found from applying these concepts, as they are universally true.

>>15089493
As Gauss put it, while arithmetic can be thought of as a purely a priori science, geometry has empirical foundations regardless of what the Kantians liked to think.
And, to answer your question, the Pythagorean theorem would be in the same boat so long as we're dealing with humans (or space aliens) who have figured out that Euclidean geometry exists and it is a good approximation of physical space on a very small scale. Which is something they are very likely to have figured out, but not as likely as the basic laws of arithmetic, which are even more obvious than geometry.

>>15089452
It means they're cis-heteronormative white supremacists who mistakenly believe their narrow view of math to be universal. They want to force 2+2=4 upon everyone else and refuse to accept the diversity of 2+2=5.

>>15089922
>As Gauss put it, while arithmetic can be thought of as a purely a priori science
Sorry Gauss, but you're wrong. Arithmetic's empirical foundations are that 1 goat and 1 goat make 2 goats.

>>15090017
So there could be no science of numbers in any place on Earth where there were men who never saw a goat?

Being retards.

Think about these-- its just the english word first letter upside down. Literally meaningless to a smart chinese who havent upcame these,

>>15090017
Arithmetic isn't limited to goats though. You can also count sheeps. And you count them with the same numbers. Imagine using different numbers for goats and for sheeps. That would be silly.