/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15083820
>Psychology
>Science
Only real psychologist was Freud because he didn't even bother pretending that he didn't just pull everything out of his ass

>>15083820
That explains antivaxxer numbers (the true number is probably 40% though)

>>15083820
Most of these "famous" psychological meme experiments (Milgram, Asch) are total frauds used only to reinforce the idea that the public should only ever be allowed to choose between preselected kosher options.

>>15083827
>That explains antivaxxer numbers (the true number is probably 40% though)
Rare moment of /sci, Not everyone is able to contradict himself twice in one sentence.

>>15083821
This, any retard with basic language skills can get a psychology study grant

>>15083830
>Most of these "famous" psychological meme experiments (Milgram, Asch) are total frauds used only to reinforce the idea that the public should only ever be allowed to choose between preselected kosher options.
Sure, but irony in history, the biggest experiment ever (experimental gene shots included) shows very similar results.

>>15083820
I feel those numbers are a bit too round, but it checks out in my experience.

>>15083820
yeah like when America was taking over by the Emperor (Donald Blumpf) only we few, the resolute, the principled, the Avengers, we able to evade his Dementors and bring peace back to the Shire

>>15084708
forgot pic

>>15083820
I think the number he got was 65% instead of 80%
If there were any potential consequences instead of just monetary reward, compliance would likely be higher, though.
>>15083830
And yet they have been replicated many times.
I guarantee the effects they observed are even more prevalent in real life where the authority figures seemingly have the right credentials and probably have some sway over the individual's future outcomes and the peer pressure isn't coming from randos they'll never need to interact with or depend on in the future but actual friends/family/coworkers and the decisions aren't as black-and-white as saying which line is longer.

Most people are NPCs when they are out of their expertise and will resort to the "go along to get along" heuristic.

>>15084782
>replicated many times
lol no.
They were declared unethical and no one is allowed to even attempt to replicate them.
There is a grain of truth in the experiments so that the claimed result will not be counterintuitive as to provoke skepticism and rejection on the part of the reader.
Yes people will generally do as instructed by an authority figure.
But no, the average person answering an ad in the paper will not electrocute a stranger simply because another stranger wearing a white coat tells him to.
likewise, a person who is unsure of the answer to a question will tend to agree with the perceived consensus.
But a person will not agree if the consensus is obviously and unquestionably incorrect, although they could conceivably *say* they agree, just to get out of a room full of obvious nutcases in some contrived "experimental" setting.
Literally everyone - even NPC tier normies - has had the experience of disagreeing with the crowd and thinking everyone else is nuts except themselves.

>>15084909
>They were declared unethical and no one is allowed to even attempt to replicate them.
A quick google search would tell you milgram has been replicated recently.
>But no, the average person answering an ad in the paper will not electrocute a stranger simply because another stranger wearing a white coat tells him to.
Source? The literature I've seen says otherwise.

>>15083820
By a curious coincidence, 80% of the American populace unquestioningly took the vaccine when they were ordered to.
Interestingly, about 65% of these people were leftists.

>>15083820
Sure, if you say so.

>>15083820
No, it's been completely torn apart, like every other widely publicized psychological experiment. It's always pseudoscience. No exceptions. The ruling class hires quacks to conduct these stunts and then promotes them heavily to demoralize the population.

>>15085467

>>15085486
what point is this image trying to make?

>>15083820
>muh moral resources
It's as simple as
>Don't follow authority's order
You and your loved ones are liable to suffer and die
>Follow authority's order
Someone else suffers, literally not your problem

>>15085516
That you and your clones kinda defeat the point of your XKCD cliche just in the way you use it.

>>15085863
I don't think you understood the XKCD comic.
It already implies that everyone is a NPC clone except (You)

>>15085947
I don't think a mouth breathing imbecile like you is even sentient. Nevermind stupidity. I won't call you stupid for the same reason I won't call a GPT stupid when it fails at basic reasoning.

>>15085951
>I won't call you stupid
yea you won't
because you better watch your mouth when I'm around
bitch

>>15085963
You will never be human. You will never be sentient. You will never form a thought on your own. You will always be picrel: >>15085486

>>15085972
Doesn't matter.
I take pleasure in making all your 'sentient' days a living hell.
If I am a NPC then my programming is to make you suffer. And when I'm done with that, I will simply forget you ever existed.

>>15085998
You don't take pleasure in anything. Your mind is a void. If you could feel anything, you would probably crumble under the weight of your sheer irrelevance.

>>15083820
>mfw looking at vaxrate

>>15083830
That kind of experiment seems easy to apply, easy = good in psychology buuut where is the pdf...

>>15084942
>milgram has been replicated recently
That only reinforces his point. You're a fuckwit.

>>15083820
>Phycologist

>>15083820
It's more like 95/100 will literally murder their own children if their boss told them to. Not an exaggeration at all. The only thing you have to do is tell people they are good, and that being good is murdering your own children. That's literally the only thing you have to do. And they will. They will with a smile on their face.

>>15086314
contrary to popular belief, women mostly hate children and are happy to kill them, it takes very little convincing. they can make a new one whenever, they enjoy that part of the experience.

>>15085972
i stabbed myself in the hand with a pencil just to prove you wrong

>>15083820
It's lead deficiency.
People were just becoming deficient back then, it's virtually universal by now.
In any of the three somewhat well known cases (The exhaustion of Roman lead mines, the presumed replacement of other metals (incl. lead) with iron at the end of the bronze age, and its modern avandonment since around the turn of the 20th century) were followed by extreme warfare, and eventual abandonment of civilized society (which is ongoing right now)

>>15083820
>>15084782
It's lead deficiency.
People were just becoming deficient back then, it's virtually universal by now.
In any of the three somewhat well known cases (The exhaustion of Roman lead mines, the presumed replacement of other metals (incl. lead) with iron at the end of the bronze age, and its modern abandonment and since around the turn of the 20th century) were followed by extreme warfare, and eventual abandonment of civilized society (which is ongoing right now)

>>15083820
>>15084782
It's lead deficiency.
People were just becoming deficient back then, it's virtually universal by now.
In any of the three somewhat well known cases (The exhaustion of Roman lead mines, the presumed replacement of other metals (incl. lead) with iron at the end of the bronze age, and its modern abandonment since around the turn of the 20th century) were followed by extreme warfare, and eventual abandonment of civilized society (which is ongoing right now)

>>15087399
You can prove me weong by stabbing yourself in the neck with a kitchen knife.

>>15085467
imagine lacking self awareness to the point that you smugly publish an "everyone except me is an NPC" comic

>>15083820
>%

>>15088403
Imagine lacking self-awareness to the point where you're part of the horde that keeps reposting it.

>>15088403
That's not even his most out of touch comic.

>>15083820
P R O V A B L Y

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UQYTb9DwKjQ

>>15085467
Was this a jab at solipsism?

>>15089006

>>15088900
Imagine lacking self-awareness to the point where you get triggered into a screeching rage by the horde that keeps reposting it.

>>15083820
>Is picrel meme true to the facts of Milgram's scientific investigation?
No. In his experiment the high rates of compliance only occurred when the person giving orders dressed like a scientist and justified the orders by appealing to the importance of science.

When the orders came from somebody not dressed like a scientist and not justifying the experiment with appeals to science, compliance rates dropped. This demonstrates that the experimental subjects were motivated in part by their belief that scientific necessity could justify atrocities. It did not demonstrate blind order following, it demonstrated order following motivated by ideology.

>>15092429
>It did not demonstrate blind order following, it demonstrated order following motivated by ideology.
Wrong. IT demonstrated order following motivated by troosting the soience. Anything beyond that is your desperate cope.

>>15092371
newly hired jannie that twitter recently fired is very active today.
wrongthinkers beware

>>15092429
#itrustthescience

>>15092429
>>15092444
Wow. Is that what you right wing morons got from that?

Let's do an experiment.
Let's dress the authority up as a Nazi officer and you as a private in the German army and do the same fucking experiment.

Now let's dress the authority in a Suit and make him your boss. and make it so you have to pay rent and gas for your car, and try it again!

We are all trained -- no, Programmed -- from an early age to do what the authority says. In Milgram's experiment, the subjects were getting PAID to do the study! They were put in a social position of subservience.

The problem here is not human morality or intelligence. The problem here is a social system of extortion, exploitation, and deception.

It has nothing to do with " muh science vaccination hur dur. believe the science" crap.

Science is our one way out of the Faith based society, because we can all do the experiment for ourselves, and do not have to rely on an authority to verify anything.

So go Fuck off back to /Pol.

>>15092493
The problem with your last paragraph there is that most science is highly specialized and at some point you have to trust the specialized scientists because the experiments are too complex to recreate. For an example I don’t have a fancy vacuum chamber, so I have to trust what spacies say, or else throw out everything unless I can test it myself and verify the results.. it’s still a faith based system

>>15092493
>Let's dress the authority up as a Nazi officer and you as a private in the German army and do the same fucking experiment.
That's my point, mouth-breathing imbecile. A guy dressed as a Nazi officer commands the same power over a brainwashed German as a guy dressed in a labcoat commands over you.

>>15092493
>We are all trained -- no, Programmed -- from an early age to do what the authority says.
A Catholic wouldn't electrocute a person screaming from pain and pleading because science labcoat gave the order. Neither would an anarchist. You know who would? A soience trooster.

>>15083820
>80/20
that's Pareto's Rule

>>15083820
Not only that, the Zimbardo Prison experiment, even though due to its lack of rigor failed to measure what it intended, it instead helped to reinforce the findings of Milgrim's experiment and show just how sweeping it is.

The volunteers guessed what results their authority figure wanted, and intentionally went out of their way to behave in a way that would produce the assumedly desired results, thinking they were abusing and even harming the other volunteers for a good cause even going so far as denying a volunteer the ability to back out because "that would be a prison escape."

If an assumed authority figure that people trust says or even implies that something is a necessary evil for a good cause people will not only blindly obey they'll go above and beyond into a spiral of dehumanization and cruelty based on guesses.

You can see it in the Jan 6 congressional riot, the peasant's crusade (in fact a lot of religious wars or persecution, it's not like they're actually getting commands from on high), or every spontaneous internet hate mob.

>>15092520
>A Catholic wouldn't electrocute a person screaming from pain and pleading because science labcoat gave the order.
No, they'd need a priest for that.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/mormon-gay-cures-reparative-therapies-shock-today/story?id=13240700

>>15092520
>>15092636
oops forgot pic

>>15092636
So you agree? Soience troosters, Nazi fags, Catholics pedos, vaxxies, it's all ideologically driven and justified. Like we have a hole in our being, that we fill with one shape or another, but they all serve the same function of justifying our actions

>>15092636
>No, they'd need a priest for that.
Highly doubtful, but even if we entertain your lie, least the priest would have to provide some humanly comprehensible religious pretext. A soience believer doesn't even need a pretext beyond "labcoat said so", putting you lower than your religious strawman.

>>15092667
>we we have a hole in our being, that we fill with one shape or another

>>15092493
>We are all trained -- no, Programmed -- from an early age to do what the authority says.

>we
>pic related

>>15092685
Umm, no, sweaty. We are ALL like this. All of us, especially you. I can extrapolate the results of the study to whatever I feel like because The Science says I can.

>>15092680
>Highly doubtful
he literally provided two real life examples of christians doing such things. one of them is literally catholic albeit different torture methods and the other is literally electroshocks albeit a different sect of christianity.

What is doubtful here?

>>15092803
>he literally provided two real life examples
No, he didn't, but keep reaching in your utter desperation.

>>15092803
>he literally provided two real life examples of christians doing such things
The Inquisition had nothing to do with people naively following a religious authority. It was cynical system of tyranny. People trying to cure homos has nothing to do with a priest telling them to, either. They simply don't want their son to be a faggot and they're clutching at straws.

>>15092815
>The Inquisition had nothing to do with people naively following a religious authority. It was cynical system of tyranny.
Specifically, it was because Jewish conversos were seen as a threat to the sovereignty of Spain because they had aided the Arab Moors in their occupation and defense against the native Spaniards. It was a matter of the state to root out spies and foreign agents, and a falsely professed faith was the main determinant of whether you would betray your King or not.

>defying an authority's order
What are you, some kind of rebel?

>>15083820
>Do this
>"no"
>gets shot
>"I must not have had the critical thinking skills to obey you


>>15083827
>That explains antivaxxer numbers
Whose gonna let them build their own society for your sake?

>>15092816
The reasoning for it is kinda moot. The point is that people complied out of fear, not because they actually believed the inquisitors were infallible instruments of god. The kind of mindless compliance demonstrated by the Milgram experiment is paralleled only by literal cults. Soience is a cult.

>>15083820
Milgram's experiment was bullshit. A lot of people who pushed the button to the end said in later interviews that they thought the whole thing was fake. This was in Milgram's notes but not his final published write-up.

>>15092911
Ummm, sweaty? Did you just fucking deny the science??? Milgram is the expert on this matter, not you.

>>15092520
thats why they go to hell

>>15087705
I really, really like this theory. May I espouse it?

>>15087705
based

>>15093955
this is how slow kids look when they grow up an get old