/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15078580
Either or fallacy. And arguing from ignorence.
Earth is both spheroidal and warming

>>15078580
Global warming proves global warming, retard.

>>15078580
>cold ass temperatures in the USA and Japan don't disprove global warming
They don't because the year globally is one of the warmest on record.
>slightly hot temperatures in Europe and Australia prove global warming though
They do because the year globally is one of the warmest on record

It's pretty simple when you think about it like that

>>15078580
the bomb cyclone was caused by unusually warm temperatures on the east coast of usa and canada

>>15078580
>>15078585
>>15078591
>>15078600
>>15078638
The earth is a torus.

>>15078638
did that cyclone also cause the low temperatures in Japan?

also your point doesn't make sense, if the cyclose was caused a cold hot difference of temperature, something else must have made the north of USA cold to cause the cyclone in the first place

>>15078638
>hot air over the Atlantic somehow sucked all the heat out of air over North America
eat your heart out, laws of thermodynamics.

>>15078653
This

>>15078719
It's the only stable shape, the only shape earth even COULD be.

>>15078718
>hot air over the Atlantic somehow sucked all the heat out of air over North America
Unironically yes. Hotter air is less dense so it gets displaced by dencer cold air, the bigger difference in temperature makes it easier.

>>15078749
>Unironically yes.
No. Hot things cannot suck the heat out of cold things.

>>15078713

>>15078751
>I can't read
I know.

>>15078759
>PNW already thawed out and it's been raining for the past day
>it could have been snow
it's not fair bros

>>15078759
Ok now colour the real map so it makes any sense

I also don't see Japan in your model

>>15078768
>Japan
it's at 11 o'clock, retard

>>15078828
show it, i can't see it

>>15078580
>the waters are rising!!11 Black science man said so!!!
>no, wait, don't look at observational evidence!!
>you have to believe the corrupt system!!!

I have a coast house and the water level has never changed. Global warming and the rest of this shit is a straight lie. Only NPCs think otherwise

Kill yourself

>>15078962
hokkaido
are you 12yo?

>>15078998
>I have a coast house
lol, sure you do

>>15079103
your narcissism and ignorance are showing, tranny

>>15079021
i still cant see it though

>>15079137
awww it's retarded

>>15078998
>>no, wait, don't look at observational evidence!!
Why not?

>>15079137
Stop spamming, you can go to the website to get a better view.

>>15079140
Japan isn't visible

>>15079146
>change in sea level
>doesn't show actual sea level for some reason

>>15079155
Thanks for admitting sea level is rising

earth is a lumpy potato filled in by water

>>15079160
sea cant be level in a globe earth though, it would be called sea curve

>>15079192
This is not what the actual shape of the planet.

>>15079202
Level in sea level is a noun, not an adjective.

>>15079328
what do you think the noun means?

>>15079332
In this case it means the height of the water, which on a sphere is the length of a radius instead of the height of a level plane.

>>15078591
>Global warming proves global warming, retard.
how is global warming happening if winters everywhere are getting colder??????

>>15079342
>In this case it means the height of the water, which on a sphere is the length of a radius instead of the height of a level plane.
>level means related to something flat
>b-but not on the heckin globe, then it's different!

>>15079351
>how is global warming happening if winters everywhere are getting colder??????
They aren't. Here's Northern Hemisphere winter temperatures.

>temperature anomaly
>energy budget
>climate crisis
>[weather] [scary term]
it's all so tiresome bros.

>>15079351
And here's Southern hemisphere winters.

>>15079384
>They aren't. Here's Northern Hemisphere winter temperatures.
how the fuck is there more ice in the south than in the north then???

>>15079384
>temperature anomalies in the y-axis
that means nothing, give a graph that actually makes any fucking sense, like lowest registered temperature in that time period

>>15079389
By the way your graph is lying you disgusting little rat (land and ocean? i said winters in the land you dumbass)
https://www.rochesterfirst.com/weather/weather-blog/climate-change-could-lead-to-colder-winters-in-north-america/

>chart begins at 2000
>extends to 2500
>1 part data, 50 parts projection
>net increase in global temperature in 500 years is 8 degree celsius
>this scares the doomsday soothsayers
what the fuck is wrong with these people? first the project data out far beyond where the model is valid. then from their absurd, crazy predictions they start panicking and say we need to act NOW. these people are mentally ill.

>>15079390
I don't understand your question. What does it have to do with winters getting warmer? There's more ice in Antarctica because it's a land mass, not an ocean that has warm water from the equator flowing into it.

>>15079384

>>15079388
>science words scary

>>15079406
Whoops. No warming.

>>15078591
sorry bitch

>>15079402
>I don't understand your question. What does it have to do with winters getting warmer?

>sciencers claim there's more ice on the south pole of the globe because there are less continents there so it's colder there
>somehow winters are less cold in the south and there is less ice on the north
sciencers cannot explain this

>>15079396
>that means nothing
It means temperature relative to the 1901-2000 average. Why does the temperature baseline matter?

>give a graph that actually makes any fucking sense
The graph makes perfect sense, it shows winters have been getting warmer. What don't you understand?

>like lowest registered temperature in that time period
That would show the change in extreme temperatures, not the change in winters. What's wrong with average temperature?

>By the way your graph is lying you disgusting little rat (land and ocean? i said winters in the land
No, you said "winters everywhere." You're the one who's lying. But here you go anyway. Lmao

>>15079396
LOL

>>15079425
>it shows winters have been getting warmer.
that graph isn't matching reality then
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/24/weather/christmas-arctic-winter-storm-power-outages-saturday/index.html

>>15079401
>first the project data out far beyond where the model is valid.
Source?

>then from their absurd, crazy predictions
How are they absurd or crazy? Do you have an impartial analysis? Because you sound pretty biased and emotional.

>>15079413
About what?

>>15079425
>What's wrong with average temperature?
because if my model is correct, the summer is also getting hotter, so the average winter temperature wouldn't show it's getting colder (meaning more extreme lower temperatures)

>>15079426
>2022 northern hemisphere winter highest registered temperature
>2022 northern hemisphere winter lowest registered temperature
>2021 northern hemisphere winter highest registered temperature
>2021 northern hemisphere winter lowest registered temperature
>2020 northern hemisphere winter highest registered temperature
>2020 northern hemisphere winter lowest registered temperature
>...

Show me a graph with this data

>>15079439
>global warming is happening

>>15079414
>>sciencers claim there's more ice on the south pole of the globe because there are less continents there so it's colder there
No, no one claimed that. It's colder because there is a land mass there where ice can accumulate without being melted by warm currents. There's also a lot more wind and higher elevation in Antarctica.

>>somehow winters are less cold in the south
Basically for the same reason as above, the Northern hemisphere has larger land masses and those land masses are closer to the pole than the Southern hemisphere. Did you put any thought into this post? I'm pretty sure elementary school students could have evocative this to you.

>>15079436
>that graph isn't matching reality then
How so? You're saying one year in one place conflicts with the trend over many years in the entire hemisphere? Your brain is broken.

>>15079448
Your graph is from ice core data that ends before global warming occurred, and it doesn't show global temperatures, so how is it even in conflict with global warming occuring? LOL

>>15079445
>the summer is also getting hotter
It is.

>so the average winter temperature wouldn't show it's getting colder
That doesn't follow. Winters and summers in both hemispheres are getting warmer. Why would one preclude the other?

>Show me a graph with this data
Why? My point is already proven. If you want to waste your time making those graphs, go ahead.

>>15079448
Also your graph seems to have manipulated the temperature scales on those data sets to make them look like they agree much more than they do. What a clown show.

>>15079437
>500 years into the future is valid
>that's why we need three different models

>>15079485
So you have no source to show it's invalid. Why did you claim that?

>>15079467
>Your graph is from ice core data that ends before global warming occurred,
did you not see the 0 in the x axis?

>>15079537
I see it. I also know the data ends in the 1800s and that "Present" refers to 1950 AD. Just like I know the y-axis is incorrectly labeled as global temperature and the temperature scale of those data sets has been manipulated to make them agree on the graph. Vet your source before posting next time.

>>15079552
You say all that without any proof though

>>15079471
>Why? My point is already proven. If you want to waste your time making those graphs, go ahead.
Thanks for conceding.

>>15078580
>Either global warming is a hoax or climate change is real and Earth is flat or I'm a retard
FTFY

>>15079578
Here you go: https://skepticalscience.com/10000-years-warmer.htm

And here's three source of your graph saying they changed the temperature scale of the data sets: https://oz4caster.wordpress.com/2014/11/23/62/

>>15079584
To what? I proved my point, you have no response except to demand irrelevant graphs. Cope.

>>15079594
>skepticalscience

>>>/r/eddit

>>15078591
fake data generated by (((soientists))) desperate for fundings

>>15078591
>Global warming proves global warming, retard.
That's modeled, from already faked data because the sources comes near to civilization. Either you know and are a swine or you do not know and are an idiot. Pic one and kill yourself. Better for anyone.

>>15079625
>>15079687
>seething against BEST - project endorsed even by climate contrarians.
Go on and work out your own global temp dataset instead. Oh, right - you won't because it would show what all the other datasets show already.

>>15078998
Even the image you posted obviously has some sea level rise in it lol

>>15078580
It's a leteral scam. That bad tracegas is an isolator whch means when heating up it moves to higher atmosphere and cools the surface down. Only total idiots and scientific parasites believe in a greenhouse effect without a greenhouse.

>>15079700
>endorsed even by climate contrarians
reddit sentence

>>15079730
Not an argument. Don't embarrass yourself further.

>>15079732
>not an argument

>>15079596
Your concession is accepted. Global warming is officially a hoax.

>>15079700
Watts retracted his endorsement when they published their final paper + methodology. You're just lying for personal benefit.

>>15079751
>basedjak
thanks for admitting your defeat

>>15079768
>hurr durr muh global warming
>colder temp every year

>>15079768
You're not willing to show real data, you've already conceded.

>>15079766
>retracted his endorsement
What a dishonest way of saying 'backtracked and grasped at straws'.

>>15079413
This means absolutely fucking nothing you dysgenic mongoloid.
>Average Temperature was different in the past!!!!
Wow retard, what a revelation. Anthropogenic climate change deboonkd nothing bad can happen to us if temperature changes rapidly

>>15079687
>sees recorded past data
>thats modeled

>>15079811
>can't see a clear cyclical pattern

>>15079822
It's not recorded, it's "interpolated." NOAA closed many of its historic stations but still reports temperatures from places it has no thermometers to take readings.

>>15079789
>What a dishonest way of saying 'backtracked and grasped at straws'.
It sounds like he found that the scientists proceeded in exceptionally bad faith despite their initial proposal. Not uncommon for climate priests to do. His complaints are valid and greatly undermine the conclusions of BEST.

>>15079822
See >>15079768

>>15079992
>It sounds like
It really doesn't.

>he found that the scientists proceeded in exceptionally bad faith
What exactly did he find out?

>Not uncommon for climate priests to do.
Please provide actual examples.

>His complaints are valid
What complaints?

>>15079992
>exceptionally bad faith
>climate priests
>greatly undermine
hands of an emotional fanatic typed this post

>>15079765
See >>15079596

>>15079620
Not an argument. Thanks for conceding.

>>15080050
You must have misquoted >>15080042

>>15080117
I accept your concession. Thank you for admitting it in public.

>>15079625
Proof?

>>15079687
>That's modeled
No, it's measured.

>from already faked data because the sources comes near to civilization
There are a variety of sources, both rural and urban. Homogenization removes the effect of urbanization. See https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/pub/data/ushcn/papers/hausfather-etal2013.pdf

>>15079766
So Watts is a hypocrite who only accepts the conclusion he wants to be true. OK.

>>15080126
>There are a variety of sources, both rural and urban. Homogenization removes the effect of urbanization.
Not sufficiently. Interpolations where data isn't measured are often hotter than the surrounding stations because the models say it must be hot. You can easily see in the fudge factors they use that every excuse is made to make the past colder and the present hotter to justify their cause.

>>15079776
>colder temp every year
Proof?

>>15080130
No, the Berkeley team misled the public. It's justified for Watts to dismiss them after their final report showed they were acting in bad faith with their early presentations.

>>15079978
There is a clear cyclical pattern. Since interglacial warming ended 10,000 years ago, we should be slowly cooling right now. Instead we're warming about 25 times faster than the last interglacial warming. Good job, retard.

>>15080135
See >>15080042.
Where are the examples and evidence of bad faith and misleading the public?

>>15079983
>It's not recorded, it's "interpolated."
No, it's kriged in order to create a spacial average. How else would you determine the average global temperature?

>>15078580
>>15078591
Just another scam by the rich 1% to consolidate more wealth and power over the people.

>>15080145
You've already read Watts' critique. You'll find it in there just like you found his quotes.

>>15080123
See >>15080117

>>15078998

>>15080146
I'm afraid there's no teaching you. You've shown you have very little understanding of where land temperature data originates and I'm paid to teach students not anons. Maybe if you pay your enrollment fee I can give you a semester of practical climatology.

>>15078580
I have no doubt that anthropogenic Climate change is a problem, but it's a field with mostly grifters who only attack poor and middle class people as the woes of the earth. Never themselves. It also prefers hysterics and science fiction scenarios to scare people into believing it, rather than appealing to practicality and self-interest, like getting people more conscious about pollution. You can solve the bigger issue by getting everyday people to work on pollution, but instead, they go for the bombastic, off putting messaging pushed by dysgenic little kids with fetal alcohol syndrome. I don't get it. This helps no one.

>>15080148
Okay, so you can't provide an example of the BEST team acting in bad faith and misleading the public. Noted.

>>15080155
>I don't get it. This helps no one.
There's a lot of money in doomsday cults, especially when they enable the empowerment of the financial elite.

>>15080150
https://www.sealevels.org
Click and drag in the plot area to zoom in

>>15080157
I could, but you've already read it and perhaps are pretending you didn't. In fact the proof is in this thread as well if you were willing to hear it.

Anyway thank you for conceding. I appreciate that you could agree with me.

>>15080133
>Not sufficiently
Wrong. Compare the record to rural only stations. You get the same trend. Where is your proof?

>Interpolations where data isn't measured are often hotter than the surrounding stations because the models say it must be hot.
What model? Kriging is not a model and the only input is the data itself.

>You can easily see in the fudge factors they use that every excuse is made to make the past colder and the present hotter to justify their cause.
Actually the opposite is true. The adjustments to the data make the past warmer. Please stop making shit up.

>>15080135
>No, the Berkeley team misled the public.
How?

>>15080153
>enrollment fee at a university
moar scams, more money

>>15080164
>Actually the opposite is true. The adjustments to the data make the past warmer. Please stop making shit up.
You're looking at a fraudulent chart and presenting it as factual. You're either lying on purpose or so lost in your programming that you're incapable of seeing the facts no matter what you're shown.

>>15080148
Watt's critique is that they released the data before peer review (common practice among independent researchers), and that they didn't agree with his opinion that older data is unreliable. Where is the bad faith or misleading there?

>>15080172
I suggest you read his critiques more deeply in context. You already have access to it.

>>15080153
>I'm afraid there's no teaching you.
I'm afraid you have no clue what you're talking about and can't answer my simple question. You confuse kriging with a model and can't tell me how else you would do it. Thanks for conceding that kriging is the optimal method of getting an average global temperature.

>>15080163
>I could
No, you can't. You can't even explain your position.

>you've already read it
There's nothing misleading or in bad faith about what Watts claimed BEST did.

>>15080163
I appreciate your roundabout way of throwing in the towel. If you refuse to provide a single example/proof, it must mean that either you don't have any, or you know it wouldn't stand up to a bit of scrutiny.
The fact remains: you haven't provided any evidence of BEST team acting in bad faith or misleading. Feel free to do so, by all means.

>>15080171
>You're looking at a fraudulent chart
Proof? You've been caught lying several times, so if anything you're the fraudulent one.

>>15080147
Same people.
AGW is as legitimate as elections are now. Both are fake AF.

>>15080174
I have. Berkeley Earth has thoroughly refuted his critiques. I suggest you read Hausfather's work on this.

the actual effects of "climate change":
>more taxes
>more control
>people feel like worthless trash that doesn't deserve to exist
the actual effect of people believing in God in middle ages:
>more taxes
>more control
>people feel like worthless trash that doesn't deserve to exist
give me one single reason why should I take climate alarmism seriously

>>15080677
You've already been given plenty of evidence and you've ignored it all. You're not going to change your mind,
but fortunately, your opinion doesn't matter. Enjoy your carbon taxes.

>>15080677
>give me one single reason why should I take climate alarmism seriously
Because you will lose social credits if you don't and then life in the coming climate lockdown ghetto will be hell for you. :^)

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/23073992.traffic-filters-will-divide-city-15-minute-neighbourhoods/

>>15080949
>carbon taxes
Your handlers drank their own koolaid thinking this signifies anything but the end of their rule and the beginning of organized violence of the general public against "people" who sound like you. :^)

>>15080953
>bla bla bla

>>15080962
Even the EU chair of Committee on the Environment, Public Health and Food Safety has come out publicly against the carbon tax scheme, warning specifically that it's political suicide and will cause social unrest. Tick-tock. Tick-tock.

>>15079413
There’s no modern temperature data from those cores

>>15079445
If you’re ignorant about how basic anomalies are calculated and graphed then probably you shouldn’t talking about them
Hint: anomalies are not calculated based on the previous year

>>15080171
>data disagrees with my lies
>uuuh it’s fake
What an amazing argument

>>15080966
>Even the EU chair of Committee on the Environment, Public Health and Food Safety has come out publicly against the carbon tax scheme
Another lie, he supports the carbon tax for businesses. But so what? He's just one man.

>>15078580
Climate change is real but humans aren't causing it.

>>15081030
>Another lie
https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/europes-carbon-push-stokes-backlash-fears-2021-07-09/
lol

>>15081031
Wrong. See https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2020GL091585

>>15081030
>But so what?
So even your own handlers realize it's a bad idea. Anyway, can't wait to break your legs.

>>15081034
https://www.politico.eu/article/pascal-canfin-emmanuel-macron-eu-carbon-price-car-home/
>As a compromise, he suggests scrapping the carbon price for private cars and homes and applying it only to businesses.
lol

>>15081041
yeah, like he said, even the most hardcore of them are afraid of the consequences

>>15080949
>You've already been given plenty of evidence
yeah, just as there's plenty of evidence that covid is real and lockdowns are necessary. sure.
it's not honest research if it's paid for by the same people that profit from its conclusions. the conflict of interest is too high.

>>15081037
>your handlers
You're delusional. Take your meds.

>>15081045
Why did you lie? The ETS plan is still active by the way.

>>15081195
>>15081196
Push onward. Can't wait to break your legs. Tick-tock. Tick-tock.

>>15081112
>yeah, just as there's plenty of evidence that covid is real and lockdowns are necessary. sure.
Pic related.

>it's not honest research if it's paid for by the same people that profit from its conclusions.
That doesn't logically follow. If you could show the research is dishonest you would have done so by now. You can't, so you make sweeping generalizations.

>>15081200
See >>15081195

>>15081222
See yourself out, normalgroid.

> Human activities releases C02 into the atmosphere
> This is a significant amount of C02 (from 280 ppm in 1880's to over 400ppm)
> C02 causes global warming due to capturing energy that bounces from the surface
> The temperature is increasing globally year by year
> Solar radiance has been decreasing since the '60s
> Increased temperature causes ice caps melting and sea level rise
> Sea level rise has been measured
> Current human societies are based on current and recent historical climate
> Increased temperature causes several issues for multiple human societies
> There are several tipping points which will cause run-off global warming, such as methane gas contained in the Siberian arctic, or dark arctic water reflecting less of the sunlight and thus containing heat quicker than the bright ice sheets

Skeptics, which of these claims do you agree and disagree with?

>>15081228
See >>15081222

>>15081244
When you are really interested you list the most important counterarguments now! If not, you are an typical propagandist not worth even one more word.

>>15081252
Already done.

https://skepticalscience.com/argument.php

>>15081201
>Pic related.
Wrong.

>>15081252
Fine
> Human activities releases C02 into the atmosphere
No one in good faith argues against this.
> This is a significant amount of C02 (from 280 ppm in 1880's to over 400ppm)
The counter argument would be "this isn't a big change" which is irrelevant since small changes can lead to large outcomes. The large outcome of increased Co2 is observed.
> C02 causes global warming due to capturing energy that bounces from the surface
Skeptics claim the sun is more important, but this is disporven by facts posted below.
> The temperature is increasing globally year by year
People deny this by implication, but never when called out.
> Solar radiance has been decreasing since the '60s
People point to Solar radiance increasing from 1800's to 1950, but deny this fact.
> Increased temperature causes ice caps melting and sea level rise
People deny this by implication (like pictures that don't mention the state of the tides), but not when called out.
> Sea level rise has been measured
See above.
> Current human societies are based on current and recent historical climate
Skeptics deny this by implication say that human society is based on the average temperature of the last 300 000 years, which is obviously nonsense.
> Increased temperature causes several issues for multiple human societies
Skeptics deny this and say this like "Plants need Co2" and "increased greening" even though the greening is majority algae which isn't positive for local eco systems. It's irrelevant regardless because something can be both detrimental and beneficial at the same time.
> There are several tipping points which will cause run-off global warming, such as methane gas contained in the Siberian arctic, or dark arctic water reflecting less of the sunlight and thus containing heat quicker than the bright ice sheets
Skeptics deny this by implication, and even when confronted outright.

>>15081282
Other disproven counterarguments.

> Hockey stick is false!
It's true actually unless you cut out all data post 1950, which is what climate skeptics are doing.
> Medieval warm period
Only observed locally, not globally, and also irrelevant. Human society is different than what is was in the 1200's, we should look after what our needs are now, not what our needs were 800 years ago.
> Muh Greta
Teenager autistic vegan FAS and not a scientist. Ignore her and all the journalists. Look at the data instead.
> No correlation between Co2 and temperature historically
There is if you include data on the radiance of the sun. Radiance of the sun doesn't completely correlate with temperatures either, but it does if you include data on Co2 level.
> Wrong predictions!
Yes scientists can make wrong predictions, but just how wrong these are tend to be overstated if you check the sources. most blogs tend to ignore the sources and just report on what journalists say.

>>15081282
>>15081285
Why doesn't mass stay invariant over time?
Why should I believe ice core readings are true?

>>15081277
Wrong.

>>15078591
nice parabolic trend, retard. Pic from here: >>15081348

>>15081335
Provide proofs then

>>15081352
Tookie, you do realize the US is not the entire globe, right? Adjustments have actually reduced the global warming trend. See >>15080164

>>15081357
You can easily look it up yourself, it's not what this thread is about.

>>15081303
If you want exact methods check the "method" parts of the studies. But if you understand the earth is getting warmer, why do you think ice caps melting would be strange?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MhcPvX7enA

It's "climate change" you trans bigot.

>>15081365
>no proofs
surprising. you've just demonstrated that you accept what the government tells you without questioning.

>>15081826
Nice try at detailing the thread. Where's your proof climate research is dishonest?

>>15083201
>Where's your proof climate research is dishonest?
https://cornwallalliance.org/2022/12/climategate-never-forget-13th-anniversary/

>>15083207
>climategate emails
There's no fraud in them, retarded people just took quotes out of context and misrepresented them. You're very gullible.

>>15083716
>There's no fraud in them
Are you even human at this point?

>>15083719
Point out a single example of fraud.

>>15083732
He did: >>15083207
Why did you lie?

>>15083737
There's not a single example of fraud there, just a bunch of quotes taken out of context. Why did you lie?

>>15083201
the whole climate thing comes from the USSR, what else do you need to know

>>15084030
Why did they have to get rid of the medieval warm period? You couldn't be lying on the internet, could you?

>>15084226
Debunked in a comment above you

>>15084329
Yes this is the graph they produced after they famously circled the wagons to "eliminate" with "prejudice" the medieval warm period. I'm glad you agree that this fraud was done with collusion.

>>15084332
Do you think global and local are synonyms? Probably not right? The medieval warm period was largely a local phenomenon. If you think excluding local temperature changes in favor og global ones is dishonest...I don't know what to tell you except that climate is a global affair.

>>15079776
But a warmer temperature every year would mean something, right?

>>15083716
you couldn't be more full of shit. please apply the nature trick to your programming.

my favorite is the realization at the end where a bunch of cant believe they were fooled for over a decade yet went along with it. props to steve for simply asking for data while they wouldn't provide it, eventually leading to this fraud being uncovered.

>>15084212
>the whole climate thing comes from the USSR
Proof?

>>15084226
>Why did they have to get rid of the medieval warm period?
Where does it say they "got rid of it?" You sure are gullible.

>>15084471
>you couldn't be more full of shit.
Then it should be easy for you to demonstrate a single example of fraud. But for some reason you can't. All you can do is take quotes out of context and misrepresent them. Like Mike's Nature trick: https://skepticalscience.com/Mikes-Nature-trick-hide-the-decline.htm

>my favorite is the realization at the end where a bunch of cant believe they were fooled for over a decade yet went along with it
Where?

>>15078580
>hoax

>>15081282
The counteraguments are known for at least a decade, some very good in '90 of last millenium.
You obviously do not know one of them or are not able or willing to cite. I never saw a list of contradictions that dumb like yours. You are a propagandist with absolutely no clue about the theme. Typical /sci midwit with nothing more than dump "current thing support". Do not answer, you waste of time i will not read it.

>>15084690
>The counteraguments are known for at least a decade
Then why do you continuously fail to present any? lmao, deniers have gotten incredibly dumb.

Scientific fact, CO2 is necessary for plant growth. Without it, no plants.
WEF and other rich 1% globalists want to reduce CO2 levels drastically, inducing another global cooling trend that could last hundreds or even thousands of years.
Causes crops to fail.
Fewer crops = less food
Less food = mass starvation
Mass starvation = goal of the elites, global depopulation.

Hard to point the finger at the governments and elite 1% when everyone is starving due to "climate" change that the leftists are inducing.

"Eeeet'z not us! Blame zeee mother nature! Blame zeeeee racism!"

>>15084690
Why don't you respond to them then?

>>15084794
Embarassing
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2020/09/video-origin-of-the-myth-that-global-warming-good-for-agriculture/

>>15084858
>yaleclimateconnections.org
KEKEKEKKEKEKEKEK
Yale makes tons of money off the climate change scam. Managed by part of the elite 1% club.

>>15084865
Says the guy without any sources. Anyway here's a study
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aaq1012

Also aren't you interested in why Big Oil and Big Coal pups millions or dollars into lobbying or do those multibillion dollar industry not qualify as "rich"?

>>15084869
>Big Oil and Big Coal
are behind the "climate change" scam also, to pump up oil and gas prices.

You are sooooo dumb.

>>15084880
Aren't you going to read the study that wrecks your third grade science theory of ecology? Pretty expected.
Anyway, the only reason the modern climate skeptic movement exists is because it's being propped up by Big Coal. Climate skepticism only exists in more culturally primitive countries like the US where Big Coal has a lot of sway. So why are they working against their own (according to you) interests? Isn't the simpler explanation that they just want to make money by fabricating a bunch of nonsense that Americans (with an average literacy rate of 46 %) swallow up?

>>15084898
>blah blah blah blah bullshit bullshit bullshit blah blah blah
Try contributing something meaningful to the conversation such as legit data, or get BTFO again.

>>15084898
Tell us you are a Eurofag that knows nothing beyond what it learned over a decade ago, without telling us your are .......

>>15084910
Lmao I provided a source, the guy immediately changed the subject.

>>15084913
Maybe you should talk about the actual facts and stick to the topic instead of immediately change the subject. I know you're american and therefor genetically closer to a monkey, so I'm being very patient with you.

>>15084869
Are you willing to give up certain living standards in order to fight the climate change?

>>15084794
>Sir, you're morbidly obese, you can't eat 10,000 calories a day
>THE DOCTORS ARE TRYING TO STARVE ME, FOOD IS NECESSARY FOR LIFE REEEEEEE

>>15085415
It might not be necessary. Better tax allocations, funds for more efficient solar panels, plans for changing the energy grid to be more green etc.
Scandinavia has the most green platform of any developed country and all the highest living standards in the world, so I think you're presenting a false equivalance.
You're correct in some sense though that the "we need to ban all cars next year!!!!" types are just politically ineffective morons who won't get anything done.