/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15078278
Have you read the subtitle? They support him because he supports science.
It's more like a truth bias than a political bias.

>>15078278
Severely enough to enable systemic fraud that spans decades and garner a crowd of fanboys whose irrational behavior would be enough to warrant being put in a mental institution if they didn't have """the science""" as an excuse (the maskoid tendency to get violent comes to mind).

>>15078295
>Science == truth
Sounds pretty political to me.

>>15078307
Reality is and truth are left-wing. Sorry, chud.

>>15078307
Truth is political to those who are wrong. Truth fears no investigation.
Sorry that all your right wing ideas can be easily debunked.

>>15078278
>How severely does political bias affect science?
When you alienate a third to half the country (in America alone), it can have deadly consequences when you later want those people to trust the output of the scientific process. So editors of scientific magazines and other science communicators need to decide whether their two-day political gratification is more important than the successful communication of scientific results.

>>15078278
Symbiotic relationship. Dems print money to fund their useless research and in return universities turn kids into pronoun zombies who think the opposing party are nazis.

>>15078295
Math is 'truth', physics and chemistry are truth-y, pretty much everything else is highly corruptible. Even computer science is pozzed as they grapple with the problem of creating an AI that doesn't instantly become racist.

>>15078312
>"Reality has a well-known liberal bias"
>"My third grader is trans"
pick one

>>15078320
>the drone immediately devolves into chanting his left vs. right slogans
Every time.

>>15078320
>"Truth fears no investigation."
>leverages the full weight of government power to censor dissent of #Science's holy proclamations across the entire internet
k

>>15078322
Daily reminder that Trump and Biden were incompetent clowns intentionally propped up to undermine the current political system and set a pretext for technocracy.

>>15078278
a lot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_political_interference_with_science_agencies

>>15078324
>corporations removing harmful disinformation is "the gubmint" "censoring" "dissent"
K.

>thank god for corporations removing harmful disinformation!!!
>truth fears no investigation but it does fear Russian trolls and we need to heckin' clamp down on that!!!
LOL

>>15078330

>>15078336
yeah like i would ever trust an incel-looking guy like that. yikes

>>15078325
Trump was a desperate last attempt to undermine the current system by people who correctly see that it needs to be blown up (results were mixed)

Biden is a literal invalid with no independent agency who is nothing but a mouthpiece for the very people Trump voters wanted to get rid of.

>>15078332
>my preferred corporate media outlet(s) still refuse to report on the recent proof that glowies are directing internet censorship
sad

>>15078338
>Trump was a desperate last attempt to undermine the current system by people who correctly see that it needs to be blown up
Reminder that he was installed by the same people who installed Biden.

>>15078339
The same people who installed Biden were the ones trying to prosecute Trump for treason weeks before he ever took office.

>>15078344
Okay, I was hoping maybe you have a modicum of sentience but you're a preprogrammd ZOG golem just like your "left-wing" counterparts ITT.

>>15078345
6 years in and this is still the single stupidest anti-trump angle. It's like the shills never got the memo that the whole "trump voters are literal nazis" thing was propaganda.

>>15078347
6 years in and MIGAtards still can't learn the pattern that no matter what clown calls himself president, the cabinet is always full of the same literal Wall Street kikes.

>>15078338
>>my preferred corporate media outlet(s) still refuse to report on the recent proof that glowies are directing internet censorship
Conspiracy theories are improbable past a certain scale, because someone eventually would defect and tell us about it.
The fact that no reputable person has ever been reported on uncovering "muh conspiracy" means that the "muh feds control everything" theory is improbable.

>>15078295
>truth bias
A-...amen, brother. No malarkey.

>>15078312
>>15078320
Lots of things in science have been disproven over the years, and just because science represents our current best guess at defining reality doesn't imply that everything within it is correct. In fact, there's many places where current scientific thought is inconsistent with measurable reality, but we hold on to our current concepts because they still work reasonably well despite not being true, or at least not being the whole truth. Regardless of how well truth and science are correlated, it's both ethically and empirically wrong to consider them equivalent.

>>15078278
>Science journal
>Republicans top candidate believes climate change is fake.
Not hard to understand.

>>15078375
>it's only a best guess therefore it's wrong
Yeah, yeah, tell me more about your antigravity machines and perpetual motion machines.

>>15078383
>It's a best guess and therefore it is eternally and immutably true

>>15078367
Let me guess, you think that the Great Reset is a "conspiracy theory".

>>15078278
90% of science is political bias, the "real" science is taking a completely spiritual turn, but the science in schools and colleges and government is political. Military science isn't even on earth no more they've moved off planet in black budget projects that we won't even know about for another 100 years

>>15078367
>Conspiracy theories are improbable past a certain scale, because someone eventually would defect and tell us about it.
Thought-terminating cliche. People do defect and tell us about it. It makes no difference. Preprogrammed drones like you never change their minds.

>>15078367
>The fact that no reputable person has ever been reported on uncovering "muh conspiracy" means that the "muh feds control everything" theory is improbable.
It's the exact opposite you retard, the fact that every person who "spreads conspiracy theories" is discredited is a proof that they're saying something that someone doesn't want you to hear.

>>15078403
Conspiracy denialism is a mental illness. You are arguing with the clinically insane.

>>15078278
How severely does your political bias affect your percieved political bias of science publications?

>>15078412
Hard to say, all of the studies published on the subject are heavily biased.

>>15078367
Some german clinic director literally killed himself after leaving a letter how he can't continue partaking in the genocide.

Did you hear about it ?
If you did, did you care ?
Do you even believe me when i report this fact ?
If i post a link, will you dismiss the website out of hand ?
Will you doubt the source ?
Will you only believe it if it's published in a mainsteam news source ?

Cattle filth.

>>15078403
They are discredited for spreading improbable conspiracy theories, yes. There's nothing weird about it.

>>15078414
It's sad to hear what people do based on their unfounded beliefs. Like self flagellation in the middle ages.

>>15078367
>Conspiracy theories are improbable past a certain scale, because someone eventually would defect and tell us about it.
I've found the inverse to be true, as you have have millions be able to detect it, yet are so impotent to stop it that they'll convince themselves that it does not exist. A fish will never know its in water until it attempts to break the surface.

Now, double down and support the beautiful lie to justify ones own learned helplessness, I'm sure the fact checkers will help you sleep easy

>>15078415
>conspiracies are improbable because if they were true, someone credible would blow the whistle, but whistleblowers can't be credible because conspiracies are improbable because if they were true...

>>15078418
>cherry picked out of context quotes
>unrefutable self fulfilling prophecy
>"if you don't agree with me then you're clearly brainwashed"
Yawn. Y'all are all the same.

>>15078419
If what they say was true, then people would change their mind. That's how truth works.

Threadly reminder that these "people" (>>15078420) are being actively funneled from normalgroid social networks into 4chan in order to colonize and destroy it.

>>15078421
>If what they say was true, then people would change their mind
Countless people have changed their minds, which makes you and your handlers feel intensely threatened, to the point you openly shill for wide-scale internet censorship.

>>15078415
>improbable conspiracy theories,
Such as?

>>15078427
Such as...
>the government wants to kill us all with vaccines because... because they do ok??
But wait, let me guess, it's so that "the jooz" can put more brown people in videogames and keep you from getting a gf.

>>15078426
Just because you have a handler taking care of your basic needs and monitoring your internet usage at the insane asylum doesn't mean the rest of us have handlers.

>>15078426
Sure, countless of gullible idiots believe in reptilians and UFOs and flat earth too, I guess those things are true too huh.
I clearly meant people with credentials, that are credible themselves. If conspiratard "whistleblowers" were right, then the consensus among experts would shift towards what they say. But that's just not the case.

>>15078367
They don't understand that people gossip all the time. If there truly was something there, it would leak out, and it would be obvious it's there. Like Big Foot, which always somehow manages to get vague, undecipherable pictures, even though everyone has a camera on their phone with 1 gorillion gigapixels and none has managed to take the picture. Same with these leaks, always unclear, vague, slightly hinting there's something there, yet no conclusive proof. But all of this is moot, since people want to believe there is something there, since it makes their lives a tad less boring and predictable, and more exiting and adventurous.

>>15078428
Mainstream science openly says that there's too many people on the planet and that reduction is necessary. The consensus is that world running on renewable energy can handle no more than 1 billion of people. What is improbable is that ruling class *wouldn't* jump at every opportunity at lowering the numbers.

>>15078429
>>15078430
Your handlers are losing control over the narrative and you're in panic.

>>15078430
>reptilians
That's a codename for the Jews because the law prohibits naming them openly you fucking idiot LMAO
>UFOs
UFO = unidentified flying object. Plenty of classified and de-classified material about this topic. Literally no conspiracy here.
>flat earth
That's an obvious PSYOP for discrediting "conspiracy theorists". Retards like you fall for it.

>>15078432
The most vaccinated countries aren't even the most populous, which makes your point entirely moot. It's just a narrative that you constructed for yourself.

>>15078434
>the jooz
>"retards like me are a gubmint psyop!!"
Opinion discarded. See >>15078428. Fucking predicted.

>>15078435
>The most vaccinated countries aren't even the most populous
So what? Every reduction is better than nothing.

>>15078437
So they are so eager to reduce the population due to the imminent Malthusian catastrophe that the method of population reduction they settle upon is... a vaccine shot that has very little mortality, mostly distributed in the least populated areas of the world?
They don't seem very smart, this ruling class, how could they keep a conspiracy this big covered for so long while being so demented?

>>15078437
>>15078443
>paid shills arguing against their sockpuppets

>>15078445
>everyone I don't agree with is a paid shill
>everyone that makes my side look bad is a sockpuppet

>>15078443
>So they are so eager to reduce the population due to the imminent Malthusian catastrophe that the method of population reduction they settle upon is... a vaccine shot that has very little mortality, mostly distributed in the least populated areas of the world?
Jesus. Vaccination is just one part of many, there is no "the" way of depopulating. Every reduction counts. Some people will die of the clothshot, some in the ongoing wars, some due to poverty, some will get their glorified sterilization called transition.
>They don't seem very smart, this ruling class, how could they keep a conspiracy this big covered for so long while being so demented?
They don't keep it covered, retard, it's all completely public since the 70's. Read Limits to growth.

>>15078448
Anon, hush, you can't say what it's actually like. You have to pretend you don't know that, and they'll pretend you aren't pretending you don't know.

>>15078448
You will be dealt with physically in the coming years. Your handlers are in panic for a good reason.

>>15078450
Ah yes, they revealed their evil plans way back in 70's and then... just kept the capitalist machine of overabundance going for 50 years.
What you are talking about are the real whistleblowers, who were warning us about those dangers. Because we, or rather the capitalist elite, didn't listen, now we pay the price. How about that for a "conspiracy theory", huh?
If they wanted to avoid an overpopulation crisis, that is when they should have acted, not now with "vaccines" and their terrifying... *looks closer* slight chance to develop heart complications that might kill you in a few decades at the very worst.

>>15078457
>Your handlers are in panic for a good reason.
Not at all, anon. My handlers don't panic, they instead handle errors gracefully and idiomatically.

>>15078457
Your tard wranglers on the other hand seem to be enjoying their holidays off.

>>15078461
>>15078462
See >>15078457
You are hated and you are afraid. Beg your handlers to censor the internet faster because your generic twitter lines don't seem to convinve anyone.

>>15078466
Hated by whom? You? Lol.
You ain't gonna do shit.

>>15078423
thanks, though i did ask the poster to double down to support the beautiful lie to justify their own learned helplessness, they were just following instructions

unless of course they were triggered before they finished reading my post, unto which than i triggered a nerve

>>15078468
Hated by everyone who isn't a gigavaxxed drone. Beg your handlers harder before le Russian agents convert everyone against you with their fake news. lol

>>15078469
Honestly I'm just trolling. I'm not even vaxxed.

>>15078278
Republicans trust science less than democrats, so you're more likely to find democrats in science rather than republicans

>Republicans trust science less than democrats, so you're more likely to find democrats in science rather than republicans

>>15078476
Apt profile picture but you're on the wrong website for that

>>15078477
>generic twitter talking point followed by generic twitter insult
Pottery.

>>15078330
Source
>[1] NYT
>[2] politico
>[3] NYT

Etc
It's all so tiresome.

>>15078479
Your absolute lack of self-awareness is amusing

>>15078483
See >>15078476
Either way, "your" """reasoning""" is circular. Why would republicans trust soience conducted by brainwashed drones like you?

>muh handlers

>>15078486
I don't care why you and republicans like you act stupid, that's not my problem.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/health/coronavirus-n95-face-masks.html
>“Seriously people — STOP BUYING MASKS!” the surgeon general, Jerome M. Adams, said in a tweet on Saturday morning. “They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus,

Only one of two possible things can be true for why the surgeon general stated this. Either he was stupid and was denying the well known facts that masks worked. Or more nefariously (and more likely to be true) he was actively and knowingly LYING to the public to hoard all the masks for the doctors and nurses.

Given these data, explain again why people should have unabashed, unrestrained trust for these scientists again? On the one hand they're ignorant and on the other hand they have no issues putting the public at risk via lies.

>>15078490
I'm not a republican. Save your cult's automated talking points for another occasion. I'm just wondering why anyone would trust "science" conducted by brainwashed drones, and what relevance it has to OP's question.

>>15078460
Who says they aren't acting since then? Depopulation is a very slow and persisting agenda that is more about setting a paradigm, rather than being a single event of mass extermination.
>the real whistleblowers
*whistleblowers paid by Rockefeller

>>15078493
>Save your cult's automated talking points for another occasion
See >>15078483. You're clearly not in the right mental state to be reasoned with.

>>15078496
Ok. I'm just wondering why anyone would trust "science" conducted by brainwashed drones, and what relevance it has to OP's question. Why do you keep circling back to your automated responses instead of explaining? :^(

>>15078367
>Conspiracy theories are improbable past a certain scale, because someone eventually would defect and tell us about it.
No they're not, People involved either stfu or are killed. Pretty easy to keep a secret when you own the media.

>>15078337
How do you even make yourself breakfast, then?

>>15080056
He's wrong because they do talk. People talk about it all the time, all over the internet. What the people in power can do with their ownership of media is censor and shill all the discussions so that the whistleblowers look like cranks and their warnings fall on deaf ears.

Today's twitter disclosures proved that the Biden admin was doing that with covid, even before Biden was president.

You're a racist if you don't support Bidena proved science.

>>15078367
this >>15078402, the whistleblowing itself is what disqualify them as "reputable persons".

>>15080096
Don't forget homophobic too!

>>15078278
I often wonder about where we'd be if all the money spent on "minority" bullshit was spent on space.

>taking sides in this shitshow

>>15080217
>often wonder about where we'd be if all the money spent on "minority" bullshit was spent on space.
Don't worry, it wasn't spent on minority bullshit either. It was mostly all laundered and pocketed.
Happening in larger and larger amounts. Rats gathering their cheese as the ship is sinking.

>>15080217
common delusion. if you look at the problem closer then you'll notice that regardless the vast outpouring of government wealth on behalf of minorities, they haven't improved even slightly.
take that same 1:0 money to reward ration and multiply it by NASA and you'll see that the money would have made no difference at all. JWST would still be where it is, it just would've cost 100x more.

>>15080223
based and what we need. Maybe US and allies could nuke China to get rid of that scourge on humanity, and then they'd do our needful for us in return, if their shit could even get off the ground.

>>15080235
>they haven't improved even slightly.
It doesn't help that the same people promoting BLM are also promoting mass immigration which damages black communities and workers the most, who are often on the lower strata. Entire historical black areas (like South Central LA, for example) are majority Mexican now. Just in the short timespan of Boyz N the Hood to now. On top of blacks having disproportionately high abortion rates.
On one hand, they are helping minorities. They're just another one to do so.

>>15080246
>It doesn't help that the same people promoting BLM are also promoting mass immigration which damages black communities and workers the most
All part of the plan.
The Clinton Family owns "BLM" now by proxy and controls it.

>>15078278
Researching anything that is politically incorrect at the time. Even if something turns out to be true, we cannot say it if seems negative towards a group other than hetero sexual white males.

Seriously investigating and talking about ufos and aliens was shunned until the past few years because some politicians and religious people are strongly against it.

>>15080278
Politicians being again UFO investigations.... just proves they are hiding something.
Same as JFK, vaccine dangers, high-tension power line cancer clusters, cell phone dangers, etc.

>>15078414
Could I get a link? I come from a place of genuine curiosity.

>>15078480
2+2=4 no matter who said it

>>15080285
>igh-tension power line cancer clusters, cell phone dangers, etc.
bribery. I hate it. Anything that would cut into the profits of rich people is buried. But you can be sure they won't have these things by their homes. I wish society had leaders that actually cared about other humans. Some humans don't give a shit about ruining their nation or the world so long as they can have a bigger number and more power.

>>15080228
When you kiss Putin's ass, do you aim at the cheeks or go for the hole?

>>15080305
lmao its on of them fbi niggas that musk fired from twitter. lmao at getting reassigned from twitter to lowly 4chan.

>>15078423
Let them try, the freedom of expression and its effects will eventually change them into chantards. There's a reason nobody leaves this place.

Friendly reminder to read Pacepa's books, in particular "Disinformation" and "Programmed to kill".

>>15080285
>JFK
CIA done it, confirmed long time ago. people don't care. they never do.

>>15080217
>rather than spending all the money on "minority" bullshit, spend it on jewish money laundering schemes
You'd get a bigger particle accelerator and a confirmation that you need an even bigger one. For science, of course.

>>15078278
>How severely does political bias affect science?
Who cares, science is dead. They sacrified them self to the idiots in power without any reputation left. Political virology, political climatology, political psychiatry political this political that. What is needed is known, so education were last, But instead it's indoctrination blatant racism against whites pure hate against man and total degenerated faculties were "gender studies" - a barely concealed transposition of aryan racial research- are the big thing.

>>15080692
>freedom of expression and its effects will eventually change them into chantards. There's a reason nobody leaves this place.
People do leave this place. You are getting replaced. It's the exact same tactic.

>>15080888
Silly. You are here forever.

>>15080928
Paid shill.

>>15080930
Shilling for what?

>>15080935
Paid shill of the "it's literally nothing, go back to sleep" variety.

>>15078278
why biden? why not some democrat who actually gives a shit?

>>15078325
Why is technocracy a dirty word? Plato had a good point that you don't go to a shoemaker when you're sick and you don't go to a doctor when you need a new pair of shoes. Why is expertise in a craft good for everything, including managing private companies, but bad for governance?

The reason that life in America doesn't radically change each time the White House or a governor's mansion switches hands is because the people who actually run the government at a day to day level are non-partisan careerists. The media will tell you we risk falling into fascism or communism each election, but in reality, the same careerists keep the boat steady, unlike third world countries where there isn't a professional independent civil service and elections DO cause massive upheavals.

Francis Fukuyama's two volume opus, The Origins of Political Order and Political Order and Decay are a great summary on all the work done on state formation since the Greeks. Wealthy nations with functioning states all have four things:

1. A strong centralized state with a monopoly on violence.

2. Rule of law. No system is perfect, but obviously getting rid of explicit or defacto noble privilege is key, as is securing property rights. The very wealthy still face going to prison, and because 1 is true, they can't use a private army to fight back.

3. An independent, professional civil service.

4. Accountable government, meaning that if leaders fuck up, they get thrown out. This is normally done by voting, but it doesn't need to be first past the post voting where almost 50% of the public is disenfranchised. Elector selection works too, where people vote for reps to choose a professional executive.

Every study of outcomes for governmental entities shows city and county managers, professionals hired and fired by an elected council, outperform elected executives. This is because leaders are selected on merit, based on proportional representation, not by being one vote more popular.

>>15080998
>Why is technocracy a dirty word?
Because no one wants to live in your Brave New World.

>>15080998
>>15081001
imagine getting owned like that. ouch

>>15080998
So what we need might be more technocracy. Or at least, less direct democracy.

Right now party elites and money decides who is even on the ballot. Millionaires have had a super majority in Congress for decades. We had just one person who worked in a trade in Congress over the past decades and a handful of other blue collar reps.

After a group gets larger than about 13, partisanship develops. No one feels responsible for outcomes because they are a tiny part of the decision making process.

This is why electing a small body that can deliberate on who to hire as the executive and when to fire them makes way more sense than national popularity contests.

There are more Trump voters in California than in Texas. The current system disenfranchises most people in national elections.

The ideal solution probably isn't even general elections for an appointing council. It would be small groups of 7-9 neighbors selecting one of their number to represent them at the next level. The winners form new groups, now representing 49-81 people, and so on. You only need 8-9 groups to represent the entire country, so very few people would need to commit much time. The top groups could then be given more time to debate elector selection, flown to a hotel.

Then you could vet executive candidates for POTUS with in depth interviews. You could have candidates perform in a crisis simulation, see how they lead, see how they analyze problems, etc. Basically all the stuff people do for picking high tier leaders outside of politics.

You'd be way more likely to have middle class people meaningfully selecting candidates in this system and using money to tip the scales would be vastly more difficult. Parties wouldn't exist for the executive since there would be no point.

>let me tell you why democracy is bad and why we need more technocracy
literally just demonstrating his point

>>15080998
>Plato had a good point
Plato thought an ideal society would have no families, all childrens would belong to the State and women would be obligated to work for society not for their husbands

>A strong centralized state with a monopoly on violence.
Cospaoa refutes that. A wealthy society does not need a State because a State does not create any wealth, it only survives by stealing what's already there

>>15081015
Reminder that debating shills only helps their cause, no matter how clever you think your "refutations" are.

>>15081001
>Nooo! It will be a dystopia if we don't pick our leaders in a popularity contest in a society where wealth to leverage mass media is essential to winning said contests!!!

>Hey, why do we have our leaders chosen by elites? Why do they pursue policies that benefit elites at the expense of most people? Why do we have political instability and poor governance? This sucks, but we sure as hell can't fix it. Casting one vote out of 140 million in a first past the post race gives me way more agency than any other system possibly could!

>>15081019
>Nooo! It will be a dystopia
Yes. Most people understand this, hence technocracy is a dirty word. Your question was answered. Too bad there aren't any easy cultural references to the supposed virtues of your nightmarish system, forcing you to shit out countless defensive paragraphs that nobody reads.

>>15081015
>If you point out Plato had a good point about X you must embrace everything in the Republic 100%

>Muh brain dead ultra ideological "states are le evil"

Good luck running a military without a state. Good luck enforcing property rights without a state. Funny how every non-state society got conquered by state societies; seems like a poor indicator of performance.

Anyhow, "x is bad" is not an argument for "doing anything to marginally improve x is pointless."

Even demarchy, randomly picking legislators by lottery, or at least some share of them, might improve the current system because it is so shit.

>>15081026
Good luck getting anyone to care about your drivel. People are fed up with your organized crime syndicate.

>>15080998
>>15081012
Look at the replies you are getting. Plebs can't be trusted to be involved. See how things are instantly reduced to black and white, "is this guy on my team of the other one?"

Every "reformer," pushing democracy in any form has been rewarded with the plebs instantly choosing to follow a demagogue.

Let this be a lesson.

>>15081046
At least try to change your tone and redditspacing when you samefag.

>>15081012
Try /pol/.

>>15080301
Nyt says
3+2=4
But u know it's 5 tho
But they insist and have sources
now what faggot

I know I'm going to get shit on for this but this is the result of killing off the 'classical liberal education'. People were required to be well-rounded with understanding numerous subjects but now our educational institutions are just glorified trade schools.

>>15078350
This. Also since we’re on the topic of politics I’d like to add: THE 2020 ELECTIONS WERE IN FACT FRAUDELENT. This is indisputable. I took part in it to see if it was true you could change mail in votes by using the online portals and easy to gather information. There were people changing 10,000 votes an hour for at least the entire week leading up to the election.

It doesn’t matter who they install as president
The ship takes the same course
President is a puppet figure to entertain the masses
You will not change my mind on this
Your vote doesn’t matter, and likely hasn’t mattered since after WW2

>>15078278
kek
this is peak comedy. certainly better than what passes for comedy in mainstream media today.

>>15081046
>See how things are instantly reduced to black and white, "is this guy on my team of the other one?"
That's the only question that matters, and you pseudointellectual niggers don't understand it. Every political system can be used against itself. Is all the power centralized? Then once you subvert the system you have all the power, but you might lose it just as easily. Is all the power distributed? Then getting it will be hard, but it will just as hard to take back from you. Ironically, wrestling power out of a monarch and then installing a democracy in your favor is the most effective way to keep that power.
So all that matters is, "is this guy on my team or not?" Yes: I live. No: I die.

>>15081327
This is basically a population density map of browns in the US.

>>15081029
He's the one arguing for an actual change to the shitpile and you're the one shilling the interests of our current big government elites.

Strongly. Conservatives don't want to fund science projects or advance our understanding of physics or chemistry because it threatens the businesses they run. If someone makes a fully functional self-driving tractor then we no longer need mexicans to drive them. If someone makes a machine that can split cotton cheaply the amount of slaves needed is reduced tenfold. We don't need black people to pick tobacco if tobbaco smoking is banned due to it's ill health affects.

I have nothing against conservatism per se but the total rejection of science, industry and development by the right is why most of society including all academics have turned on them.

Examples of what I mean:

>Building the Desertron, which would have stolen all of Silicon Valley's thunder for Texas. Not built because it was a boondoggle.
>Building Space Station Freedom, which would have been America's space station from 1985 to 2000. Not built but recycled into a joint project with Russia as the costs could be split with them.
>Building the X-33 / Lockmart spaceplane. Not done because it was a boondoggle. It's technologies -and money- were instead put into the Joint Strike Fighter program yielding the LM F-35.

If the right wants to be respected by academics, engineers and everyone with a non-MBA college degree they have to support the most basic of science projects. If Governor Abbott were to take the current power crisis to heart and commit Texas to 3 state-funded, state-operated NPPs, a physics research center, and the Desertron by 2035 people would view the Republican Party better. Instead, he is STILL trying to ban the train from Houston to Dallas. Educated adults have no time for this and vote -D as a result even if Beto takes their guns and lets a billion spics in.

>>15078321

Yes it is because the third of the country you're talking about is ignorant and has decided to remain as much because it does not challenge their beliefs. The basic foundation of scientific inquiry is being willing to challenge longstanding beliefs. Educated people are not going to sit down and argue with /pol/tards for hours as to why the earth isn't flat, why the atmosphere is heating, or how nuclear fusion works with people who do not beilive such things as it contradicts their religious world views.

I used to be of the big tent opinion but this ended when I started dealing with people who, despite being shown contrary evidence, utterly refuse to beilive that human activity can be improved through technology. If someone refuses to acknowledge that we even landed on the moon or that the government needs to coordinate large projects ie a space program or other large industrial facility, then they are inexcusably incompetent and have nothing to add to a larger conversation. The same people opposing computer chip factories, 5G, solar panel manufacturing, battery mining etc are all backwards luddites who just want be social populists and can't accept change. This includes leftists who share similar opinions when it comes to industrial NIMBYism.

These people have already decided, in their own minds, that they will not accept any scientific communications. Why deal with them. They're just dead weight at that point, and are being swept away as scientific progress makes their occupations irrelevant. This is already happening to car mechanics as EVs rise and it's happening to faggot twitter artists as AI art rises.

>>15078476

It's true. Otherwise Republicans would be buying Teslas, Mirais, and powerwalls instead of DPF deleting their diesel mopar monster trucks. One of these groups wants better, faster cars that can outpreform a viper at 1/3rd of the price - the other wants to make everything smell like shit and covered in soot while hogging two lanes.

There's certainly exceptions but the rank-and-file Republican is a moron, a retard, and a loser. I know because I live around them and despite reality encroaching in every day they continue doubling down on their ignorance, hoping that denying it will make it go away. This just makes the eventual buck breaking much worse.

>>15081737
Why are you lying. You never participated in anything. You don't even have screen caps from other people to share. You are a lying piece of shit. You never argued for anything. You can't even name five journals. Your cope is sad and pathetic. A man who wants to pretend to be a has been, fighting in the meager arena of internet battles. Just neck.

>>15081711
>If someone makes a fully functional self-driving tractor then we no longer need mexicans to drive them. If someone makes a machine that can split cotton cheaply the amount of slaves needed is reduced tenfold. We don't need black people to pick tobacco if tobbaco smoking is banned due to it's ill health affects.
These are all things that Democrats support. I don't get what you're even going for here. Republicans would gladly deport every one of these people if technology made it economically feasible.

>>15081749

I work in the industry as did my dad, and his dad, and his father before him. I was the first person to graduate college in my family and it shows because our neighbors have become increasingly retarded, shut off, and willfully ignorant about the larger world in the same time. There is no excuse when communication is so much easier now. I see it every day when I commute to work and when I'm at home - people who know there's more to the world than OAN refuse to watch anything else because OAN tells them what they want to hear. It's easier to not think than to watch something like NPR and have their views challenged.

This is especially true for electric cars, just owning a prius is enough to set these people off.

>>15081737
Will educated people sit down with /pol/tards and tell them why right-wing protests/rallies are superspreader events but left-wing protests/rallies are not?
Here's a left-winger's take on the failures of scientific communication during the pandemic:
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/commentary-8-things-us-pandemic-communicators-still-get-wrong

>>15081751

>Republicans would gladly deport every one of these people if technology made it economically feasible.

It has for decades, but Republicans don't want to build their own homes anymore. They want someone else to do it for them, a mexican, and they don't want to pay them more than $10/hr to do it. Shit games give shit results, whereas someone interested in a more technologically capable structure has to pay more for design, engineering and construction by skilled laborers. Which is the difference between hiring an illiterate spic and a communist union worker to do the same task of constructing a bathroom or a garage.

This applies to everything and is why certain areas of the country do not regress as they will do anything to preserve the status quo even if it means importing aliens to do it for them. They don't want to pay more money for things, they don't want the government to institute policies that would subsidize things, and they don't want the government coordinating industrial activity to make things cheaper from the start. The end result is always failure, regression and temp workers to fill the gap. Seen a million times.

>>15081765

I don't care for nigger floyd or fentanyl or anything else like that, which is my other point. The failure to communicate a satisfactory response to group suicide events like this is also why nobody respects the right - instead of just letting covid cull the herd it's usually outright denial over the threat it presents, especially to niggers who don't get vaccinated and go to large gatherings where they will be in close contact with each other.

>>15081762
>here is my impressive autobiography, anonymously and with no proof. you must now accept my potentially fake autobiography as the basic for letting me tell you what to think
you're obviously lying about your history and your family and your neighbors, if you can prove that you are not, i will let you suck my 24" penis.
are you one of the government glowniggers that got fired from twitter and now you've been demoted to propagandizing 4chan?

Growing up is realizing everything/everyone has a political bias. Just don't wear your MAGA hat during your PhD defense and you will be fine but learn to play the game.

>>15078278
As much as corporate funding.

>>15081768
So why is it that the left-leaning areas are more anti-native, anti-worker, and are degenerating faster than right-leaning areas? If Republicans are at fault for this, does that make Jeff Bezos (Amazon CEO and Washington Post owner) a Republican because he advocates for immigration to bust down unions with the same money he uses to fund communist politicians?

>>15078450
We are in the scenario "business as usual" mentioned in Limits to growth. No action has been taken to reduce population

>>15081327
Kek
Mississippi is 60% black.

>>15081768
stereotypical midwit politics expert

>>15081460
west virginia is 103% white

>>15081327
i hate it. i worked at a college here that was starting to get more liberal arts, but then after covid that began to reverse and now everyone is pushed into IT or hvac and its slowly becoming a trade school and no one seems to care. I just want a place where people are passionate about seeking knowledge and changing the world. All they care about is jobs instead of pondering the deep shit in life. The chairs regularly meet with industry leaders to find out what skills they want their next generation of wage slaves to have

>>15082715
It's an ocean of viva la hispania now.

>>15078494
wouldn't this poison the ruling class/politicians too?
Or maybe they are pulling the old "if we ignore it enough, it will go away!"

God I hate these retards, it's the 4 pests campaign all over again.

>>15082744
How many promised technologies surrounding the idea of immortalizing the mind are being held as a carrot on a stick at this point?

>>15078367
Doesn't work when people are selected for ability to keep mouth shut. Also they can reward you greatly for loyal service while making life a living hell for deserters. Also affect the reach of dissenting voices. So no

>>15078337
Touch grass

>>15081746
>It's true. Otherwise Republicans would be buying Teslas,
Can't make this shit up.

>>15078278
Newspapers were bought and paid for by corporations and political bodies decades ago. It's been pretty obvious to anyone that partiality and unbiased critical thinking in reporting went out the window during Obama's first presidential campaign. It went to hell in a hand basket during his second, and it's been downhill ever since then.

>>15083654

>>15083654
Enough with the antisemitism.

>>15078325
>and set a pretext for technocracy.
BASED?

>>15083896
You are a golem slave well on his way to trooning out.

>>15083837
I'm nooooooticing

>>15083901
And Here's Why That's Heckin' Wholesome 100

>>15078320
But if you question leftist ideology too hard it's like kicking a nest of bees. They're incredibly hostile to outside investigation, and will actually try to ruin the life of any researcher whos data does not support their beliefs.
How do you not see this?

>>15080305
>When
What's matter .Gov glowboi? No more gay sex parties at Twitter? kek

Democrats and leftists and the rich 1% love Putin. Putin is Socialist and a good friend of Obama and Bernie Sanders.

>>15084235
thats antisemitic

>>15078322
7pbp

>>15078337
>Unironically uses the word incel
Virgin confirmed

>>15084607
>fascism on the left

>>15086021
>m-m-muh left/right ZOG dichotomy!!!
Nonhuman.

>>15086023
No student of history would ever put fascism on the left. It's a cope of the right to try and push neo-fascism without being caught pushing neo-fascism

Here. Read something.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/umberto-eco-ur-fascism

>>15086023

>>15086026
>No student of history would ever put fascism on the left
No student of history can be considered a sentient human, but my point still stands. Why can't you put fascism on the left? Is it because you are so profoundly brainwashed that your ZOG associations automatically override the labels on the chart?

>>15078295
That's good because no leader in human history has conflated their political/moral views with facts about the natural world.

>>15086035
Ummmm sweaty? Nature has a left-wing bias because reality is left-wing by definition.

>>15086043
Nta, but it's definitely spelled 'sweety.' Yet, if you really want to go this route... I just found this really triggering currently, datass, afterall

>>15086026
Modern leftist NPCs have no idea what fascism is. Fascism was born out of syndicalism to fight for workers' rights while maintaining a national identity. It has some right-leaning aspects but is massively left-wing by any typical conservative or libertarian standard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_Manifesto

Some highlights:
>Universal suffrage with a lowered voting age to 18 years
>Voting for women;
>The abolition of the Italian Senate (at the time, the Senate, as the upper house of parliament, was by process elected by the wealthier citizens, but were in reality direct appointments by the king.);
>The formation of a national council of experts for labor, for industry, for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc.
>The quick enactment of a law of the state that sanctions an eight-hour workday for all workers;
>A minimum wage;
>The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of industry commissions;
>To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or public servants;
>Reorganization of the railways and the public transport sector;
>Reduction of the retirement age from 65 to 55.

These are all standard socialist policy positions that modern lefties heavily support. Mussolini's Doctrine of Fascism and the Nazi 25-point platform hit all the same points.

The only problem is that if leftist retards acknowledge this fact and learn an ounce of history, then they lose their ominous boogeyman and can't justify being violent psychopaths.

>The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies "something not desirable"
--George Orwell

>muh left
>muh right
They just keep going...

>>15086056
Whoops, I left off some of the best points
>A strong extraordinary tax on capital of a progressive nature, which takes the form of true partial expropriation of all wealth;
>The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor;
>Revision of all contracts for military provisions;
>The revision of all military contracts and the seizure of 85 percent of the profits therein.

"Muh right-wing political system"

>>15086061
You misunderstand. They rank a political system as being "more left" in proportion to how much of an abominable crime against nature its social order is.

heavily

>>15080238
US should nuke themselves to be honest with you.

>>15078377
Left vs. right is a false dichotomy for nitwits.

Also, please post a link to a climate model which has produced accurate predictive results. Oh, you can't. Perhaps you should actually review the literature yourself before believing claims that come from a supposed authority. Or continue repeating nonsense for social engineers. Do what you like, my mockingbird friend.

I, for one, serve no master.

>>15078322
>Math is 'truth', physics and chemistry are truth-y, pretty much everything else is highly corruptible. Even computer science is pozzed as they grapple with the problem of creating an AI that doesn't instantly become racist.
I wish more people understood this. Outside of the hard sciences everything should be taken with a grain of salt. Hell, even some area of the hard sciences are highly suspect (e.g. String Theory). Many people, including those in scientific fields, have a very cargo cult approach to science. To them science is something published in a respectable enough journal and with p<0.05. The soft sciences have been a joke for decades and are effectively just a propaganda arm for the Party. I don't think scientific inquiry will grind to a halt, but it will slow down, and some research will become verboten in the west. This is a list of things that I think we will not research anymore in the near future:
- nuclear fission for power generation (The money is on fusion now)
- heritability of human traits and in general everything that could show inherent disparity in abilities between humans and between human groups
- gain of function research (just kidding lol)

1/2

>>15086180
I'm especially mad about the current situation of nuclear research. I can sort of accept the pozzing of research that goes directly against the dogmas of the woke religion, but the corruption of nuclear research really shows how power driven scientists have become. To the layman the recent breakthrough in fusion sounds like a great achievement but to someone who has actually mastered elementary school mathematics it only shows how scientist would lie (mostly by omission, but that's still a lie) only to gain funding and status for themselves. We could phase out fossil fuels in less than a decade, for electricity generation at least, using the nuclear technology we already have. If you want to get fancy you could start building pilot power plants based on the Thorium cycle and/or other new gen reactors. Instead we are funding boondoggles like fusion that will likely not be able to generate useful power for the next few decades. Or pouring money in meme stuff like renewables and hydrogen. To work well science requires a rather high degree of honesty, a degree of honesty that is above the paygrade of most people. Unfortunately I think academia is selecting for ass kissing, grinding and cheating abilities, none of which correlate strongly with honesty.

2/2

>>15078421
you are making the wrong assumptions. Obvious truths doesn't always involves a change of mind. One example is how Snowden leaked the criminal mass surveillance system of the US, even normies knows about it, but that doesn't stops them from using computers, tiktok, and giving all their personal info away. Meanwhile at the other side, obvious truths like man and woman being different are now being questioned, even if the obvious truth there is that they are different.
Find better arguments.

>>15086206
>One example is how Snowden leaked the criminal mass surveillance system of the US, even normies knows about it
So what he said was true, and people changed their mind. "Even normies know"

>but that doesn't stops them from using computers, tiktok, and giving all their personal info away
Knowing about something doesn't necessarily mean acting upon that knowledge.

>Meanwhile at the other side, obvious truths like man and woman being different are now being questioned
Because that "obvious truth" turns out not to be so obvious after all.

>even if the obvious truth there is that they are different
How can it be truth if it's debunked by science?

>>15086238
>Because that "obvious truth" turns out not to be so obvious after all.
Let's see
>A man is an adult male of the modern human species, its individuals, and nearest extinct relatives.
>A woman is an adult female human.[1][2] Prior to adulthood, a female human is referred to as a girl (a female child or adolescent).
Pretty conclusive if you ask me.

>>15086318
Definitions change as science progresses.

>>15086238
>I'm a bought and paid for shill.
Okay, I didn't expect you to outright say it.

>How severely does political bias affect science?
It does so with 100% severity.

>>15086373
What, did they reject your disproof of the Riemann hypothesis, too?

>>15086347
See >>15078448

>>15086381
Thanks for admitting it.

>>15086442
You asked for a better argument and I gave you one. Did your think that I wouldn't see through your pathetic false equivalence?

>>15086452
>your pathetic
Not an argument. Thanks for admitting I'm right.

>>15086454
>has no argument left
>shits on the board and acts like he won
Sigh... Every single time.

>>15086463
Not an argument. Why did you lie?

>>15086470
You are the liar:
>>15086347
I never said this.

Meanwhile my "lie" was that your false equivalence was pathetic. But it's a fact that it was. You're laughable.

>>15086480
>You're laughable.
Another ad hom. Thanks for conceding.

>>15086238
>Knowing about something doesn't necessarily mean acting upon that knowledge.
but your entire premise is about that, you speak about conspiracies being ridiculous because otherwise it would be too obvious and people would change the way it is approached, but is not always the case + people believe fake stuff all the time, which is more reason to discard your argument.

>>15086056
>Fascism was born out of syndicalism to fight for workers' rights while maintaining a national identity. It has some right-leaning aspects but is massively left-wing by any typical conservative or libertarian standard.
truth.

>>15084607
I like this chart, similar.

>>15078295
Show me scientific evidence of human rights.

Politicians help scientists by predetermining their results.

>>15087204
kek
peak clown world achieved! Time for society to crash and start over.

>>15080301
except when it's an inconvenient truth, because then the bleating for 'credible sources' begins.

>>15087211
>peak clown world achieved!
it says 2019 right in the pic, kid. things have gotten so much more clowned since then, 2019 seem like fading happy dream compared to the eve of 2023

>>15087511
It's gonna get worse before it gets worse.

>>15078278
severely

>>15087841

>>15078278
>How severely does political bias affect science?
In this day and age, it is all about the global-domination and socialist politics, not science.

>>15078278
>How severely does political bias affect science?
Severely enough that jannie deleted the Twitter files thread
https://archived.moe/sci/thread/15080023/#15083296

>>15081711
>Conservatives don't want to fund science projects or advance our understanding of physics or chemistry
Why do you lie? Is spending billions in nasa, solar roads and taking pictures of alpha centaurdeez a good idea?
It's not

>>15078295
>Truth
>Mob rule (democracy)
Words can't express how stupid, gullible, and naive people are. Born at night. Last night. Do you have to pretend you don't know about the psy ops and propaganda? It's been going on since at least my parents were in school, and surely before that.

>>15092691
This. So much this. This is why we need a technocracy.

>>15092691
meds

>>15092700
Come sit on my dick, we'll both feel better

Trust in medicine and the government is at an all-time historical low, due to the politics of it all.
Fuck all the leftists both Democrats and Republicans, both Labor and the weak Tories.