/sci/ - Science & Math

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_shift

>>15078302
Surely you must have a better model that can explain what is going on, instead of just dismissing the current description without a thought otherwise?

>>15078302
99% of your weight is virtual particles

>>15078313
You in the middle ages:
>the hand of God explains everything, do you have a better model?

>>15078313
if it doesn't exist that by definition should mean it cant do anything
which should make the statement false

>>15078311
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_shift
it seems that aether and quantum mechanics are one in the same, if putting atoms close to each other makes them resonant and emit photons which are almost instantly re-absorbed, then it can be taken for granted that the requirements for photon emission is just an electron moving around.

>>15078355
no one has ever managed to measure aether

>>15078365
but technically they have, the frequency and resonant energy requirement of oscillating atoms in a casmir arrangement could be interpreted as a measurement of the specific energy quanta needed to release photons from the aether.

If entropy and casmir effect are the whole story, then we should see these systems deplete themselves similar to a battery. But if two plates can sit at the right distance and resonate forever then either entropy is false OR there is a background source of photons.

>>15078365
>Roland De Witte
>Dayton Miller
>Michelson and Morley's own not-quite-null experiment
>Sagnac effect

>>15078302
Science is gonna have to accept magic as a reality and become cultist or stay stoopid. The future of science is Spirit-Science, those who embrace this and start approaching science from a spiritual stand point will be further ahead of the curve than those who don't.

>>15078388
all nobel prized in two weeks no doubt
lol

"Virtual Particles"

>>15078651
'virtual particles' is a lousy name.
They are neither virtual nor particles.
https://profmattstrassler.com/articles-and-posts/particle-physics-basics/virtual-particles-what-are-they/

>>15078313
>cavemen Grug and Ug see lightning strike a tree
>Grug says "A wizard must be mad at that tree."
>Ug says "I don't know what happened but I don't think a wizard did it."
Which of these two ignorant cave men is being more reasonable?

>>15078695
Both are being equally unreasonable.

>>15078700
Why do you think that Ug is being unreasonable?

>>15078662
yeah no shit, scientists are clueless and retarded, they can't even come up with a fucking name to explain their theory properly, it's pointless researching academia further until some proper discoveries happen, books will need to be rewritten once more

>>15078704
>it wasn't heckin X b-b-because it just wasn't, ok??
"I don't know what happened" is as far as reasonableness goes when you literally just don't know what happened.

>>15078710
>it's unreasonable to say that wizards probably don't exist
here's your (you)

>>15078712
How would Ug know wizards don't exist in a world where a fuckton of kino events keep happening without explanation?

>>15078715
Because he never met any wizard nor knew anybody who claimed to have met a wizard, because wizards don't exist.

Sorry retard, Harry Potter isn't real.

>>15078721
>Because he never met any wizard
So what?

>nor knew anybody who claimed to have met a wizard
No, he probably knew tons of people who claimed to hae met a wizard. The existence of wizards was probably part of the conventional knowledge of his tribe, just like your hundreds of soience-flavored fallacies are inscrutable knowledge to you and most other people.

>>15078695
did you ever stop to think that maybe there was a wizard but he did it for a reason other than being angry with the tree

>>15078695
You both are retards because you just make a statement without backing it up.

>>15078778
Now do Atheism.

>>15078302
>particles that don't exist cause a force that can be measured on objects that do exist
Keep crying, quantifier.

>>15078313
How about the original model?

>>15078662
>they are neither nor
>so lets name it
Really explains what it is.

>>15078721
>bear shit in the woods argument

>>15078365
>no one has ever managed to disprove aether

>>15078388
>Michelson and Morley's own not-quite-null experiment
Ah yes and all the subsequent "not-quite-null" experiments others did after them?

>>15079357
>Ah yes and all the subsequent "not-quite-null" experiments others did after them?
Yes.

>>15079362
May I see these non quite null results? Why
"Not quite"?

>>15079381
>Why
>"Not quite"?
Because the value of aether drag at ground level is relatively small but not absent. It's tongue-in-cheek. Anyway just look up the Silvertooth experiments or the history of high-altitude interferometry to see that there is a measurement for aether drag when measured outside sealed rooms.

>>15079395
>Because the value of aether drag at ground level
Idk if you're the same anon, but this experiments purpose was to detect motion through a presumed aether still not proven to exist. It should never even have been recognized as an experiment because it performs tests on fantasy.
This post not a denial of the aether.

>>15079395
The Pioneer anomaly is probably the best measurement of aether drag ever made. Right around 1/4c. Divide by c and you get Hubble's constant.

>>15079395
>Because the value of aether drag at ground level is relatively small but not absent.
The reason Michelson-Morley's results weren't quite null is due to the refractive index of air causing some moderate interference. Also, the apparatus they were using was extremely sensitive to outside vibrations. Someone stomping their feet on the ground outside 100m from their laboratory (in the basement) could destroy their measurement.

>>15078326
middle ages scholars, theologians, and philosophers were autismo tier reasoners though and far outstrip any dogmatist today in actually justifying themselves despite their impetus now being considered discredited.

>>15078388
>>15079357
>Dayton Miller
>Ah yes and all the subsequent "not-quite-null" experiments others did after them?
People wasted a lot of time trying to reproduce Miller's claims, including Michelson. Miller claimed he had found a positive result at altitude on Mt Wilson, so experiments were done in Switzerland, by balloon, and elsewhere. Michelson also took his experiments to Mt Wilson. They all came back negative, no one could reproduce what Miller found. He then claimed it was heavy vacuum chambers that were dragging the aether, he worrying did his experiments in air. This claim was also refuted by an interferometer with one enclosed arm. Millers results were given a fair shake, and they didn't hold together. Multiple papers have also reanalysed his own data years later, and find no statistically significant result.

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1928NW.....16...25P/abstract
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1929JOSA...18..181M/abstract
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1935PhRv...48..462H
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1955RvMP...27..167S/abstract