/sci/ - Science & Math

>Multiple billion dollar spacecraft have succumb to fucking dust

So this is the power of humanity... impressive

> live on the inner surface of a giant rotating sandbag
hmmm

>Dragonfly takes 9 years to reach Titan
>crashes on landing

How would you cope?

4th for RATSAT retrieval mission

>>15067340
Considering that it's not going to be getting there until 2034 I'd say that we'd be far more focused on events unfolding on Mars. One old-style NASA probe whiffing isn't going to be a very big deal.

>>15067348
The stars & stripes snoopy cap is awesome

> Earth that low in the lunar sky at Tycho
what a hackfraud

>>15067326
Space is so fake

>>15067326
if I had that Bezos Champagne .wemb I'd reply with that

>>15067332
Without SpaceX, Arianespace would probably not have "rushed" (if you can call it that) with Ariane 6 and did more to ensure a lack of launch gap, though it would've been developed later.
Vulcan would probably be ready at more or less the same time as our timeline with AR-1s, as Atlases would deplete faster and there would be a period of Delta reliance to pressure them forward in place of SpaceX. Also, ULA would perhaps launch that timeline's equivalent of Commercial Crew unless they went full retard/DIRECT, and I doubt they'd man-rate Delta or fly it on the dead-end Atlas V, so there'd be pressure there too.

>>15067333
I forget, what was their bidding price?

>>15067354
Do you think Kubrick was an undiagnosed autistic? What I've heard of the shining points to it being plausible.

God what a bitch Glushko was at time

>>15067363
Not sure how important spacex was to Arianespace change of strategy, it really was all around the 2014 esa ministerial but back then spacex was not really that much considered by many in Europe and ditching A5 ME and advancing a non-ppe Ariane 6 before 2025 was both a long awaited decision and a compromise between German, french and Italian interests

I think A6 would have been roughly similar and have flown at about the same time had the F9 never flown

>>15067379
If he was autistic he would have got Earths position correct

>>15067395
I think SpaceX running off with so many of the their potential customers has encouraged them to try and expedite the development process for the A6. I just don't think that they were very successful at doing so.

>>15067410
A6 is not reusable and cannot be competitive

>>15067436
For the longest time their answer to reusability was to keep saying that reusability's economics were still unproven. Now they're progressed to just not talking about it.

Space isn't real.
Just look at this shit >>15067379

>>15067443
>what is Themis
>what is CALLISTO

>>15067444
How can space not be real when my eyes arent real

>>15067379
>no plume
>no thrust
chessmante rounders

>>15067445
>what is Themis
>what is CALLISTO
A grasshopper equivalent without a well defined flight date?

>>15067444

The earth isn't real

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnwFbZN_gWU
Vega-C going up in just under 90 min

>>15067457
Bigot

>>15067445
>2 years late PROMETHEUS, no information even tho it’s supposed to do small hops in Sweden in 6 months, full tests only supposed to be in 2025 in the best of cases, very dubious evolution with Maia, a grasshopper 15 years late
>The continuation of the 2000s Japanese vtvl projects that the frogs and germs slapped their names on

>>15067476
ploooooooooom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CokbWoYm9w4

ROAD TO SPACE (ugly logo)

>>15067326
It's over

>>15067578
Yes, it is, Makemake poster.

>>15067578
Dumb little dwarf never got very deep into Mars like it wanted, did it.
F

>>15067578
Its the 5rd time its been posted today and Im still gonna reply the same stuff:
> Feather Duster
> 2.5 Billion + T

>>15067591
*fourth time

>>15067570
LIVE
https://youtu.be/CokbWoYm9w4

wait... what?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_Lander_for_Investigating_Moon

It hasn't launched yet

>>15067606
Oh there's no range, must be test calibrations

I wonder if it will be visible from the east coast

>>15067616
I think the green line is the trajectory, not the ground track. Perspective makes it look like its going further west than it really is. The ground track is probably the duller line to the right of it. You might be able to see it in Nova Scotia, but most of the east coast is probably out of luck.

>>15067595
6st

Are Chinese rockets that drop pieces to crush villagers good because they terrify EARTHERS or bad because they throw away rocket parts?

Love how crazy fast it goes

>>15067633
Solids have their drawbacks but they usually have a crazy high thrust to weight ratio.

"it's always amazing".

>>15067640
>>15067633
SRB fast but not LACEE fast

>>15067642
It's holding on to that fairing for an awful long time.

TRAJECTORY OFF

>>15067570
LMAO DID IT FAIL AGAIN

A problem with the trajectory?
Say it ain't so!

oh shit

>>15067646
>headed to the US eastern coast

rip bozo

It’s over.

>>15067649
merde, rather

>>15067616
>Headed to the US east coast

So that's NEO as in No Earth Orbit?

3 failures in 23 launches

uhhh that trajectory ain't lookin good

>lose WC
>fuck up launch
>"It was an amazing launch at least"
how will fr*nce ever recover

Below 100 kilometers. It’s over lmao.

this stream got so awkward

>>15067605
failing

lmao that jolt down on the animation

OH NON NON NON

ESABROS…

>lock the doors

C'EST FINI

>warm the baguettes up, it's going to be a long one

>>15067665

>>15067666
ugh, turn off the animation already. It is nothing but optimistic lies

>First the world cup, then VEGA
Its not looking good frogbros

PULL UP!
PULL UP!
PULL UP!

They really should've just cut the stream, this is so awkward

Why does Vega have such a shit record? It’s literally just solid fuel stages

>>15067644
>LACEE
what is that?

>>15067673
This bit might just be a planned disposal mode. Since you can't shut off a solid stage once it gets going your only real options are to blow the whole thing up or aim the nose down at somewhere you know nothing is going to be.

Or it could be an already fucked up launch going extra fucked up.

>>15067684
>It’s literally just solid fuel stages
Found your problem

>a slight problem

>>15067673
>announcer is still hopeful
>she says it's a slight problem

>>15067687
>Oops! All Solids!

>>15067685
Probably LADEE
https://youtu.be/hf0SIRxXvRo?t=20

How does SpaceX do it…

>>15067690
she's the most retarded broadcaster I've ever heard

>>15067686
>planned
sadly no.
underpressure on the second stage
>>15067690
>>15067691
meant to be reliable?

>literal credit roll
chef's kiss

more like PiaeDIES tonight

Vega-C has a 50% success rate

>>15067702
it did look kind of funny

Post yfw ESA buys more rides on Falcon 9

>>15067706
And Vega overall has had three failures in the last nine launches.

>>15067709
Probably Soyuz more than F9

>>15067707
why green line no go up, green line can only go up OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>15067710
that must suck to watch as an ESA engineer. Like when everything going slowly to shit and there is nothing you can do about it. Like clogging the toilet in a friend's house.

>Return missions are also available with the use of the reusable Space Rider vehicle, currently in development by ESA, and due to launch on a Vega-C in 2023.[92]

I wonder if they were cursed because of the fag colors

And for the grand finale...

>>15067719
did not see fag colors, do you refer to the logo ones?

>>15067711
Nah definitely not soyuz

>>15067720
KSP beginner moment

>>15067706
probably 2nd stage burn-through of the chamber wall. Was it one of the new fibre-wrapped composite stages?

>>15067687
I was actually half expecting it to fail, after remembering another Vega launch that failed. Not disappointed.
>>15067697
At one point she apparently had to be told what someone had just said in French. You're being the presenter for a French launch and you don't even know the language?
Bonjour, Mme. ne-peut-pas!

>>15067687
Whats the matter with solids? arent they super powerful or something? could you correct the trajectory with external sideways small propulsion KSP style?

>>15067724
The second test firing of the Zefiro 9 back in 2007 suffered an anomaly where the internal pressure and thrust suddenly dropped. I haven't been able to find any investigation results, but whatever went wrong back then didn't damage the case.

>>15067737
Solids can't be turned off or throttled once you start burning, and have shit efficiency once you're in orbit. Strapping them to the side of a first stage or building suborbital missiles out of them is the best use case.

>>15067720
kek

>>15067743
>Solids can't be turned off or throttled
I saw a guy on YT who throttles model rocket solid motors, he's the guy who landed a model F9. He made some mechanism to pinch off the burning end, which diverts some of the thrust off to the sides I guess. It seems to work, though probably isn't scalable.

>From the Spanish Naval Observatory (Observatorio de la Armada) in Cadiz, Oscare Rodriguez has found the following image of an S-IVB fuel dump. It's filed as Apollo 8, although a date scrawled on the back is more ambiguous at this point. The Apollo 8 dump was well seen from Spain. The May 1969 article in Sky and Telescope notes that the S-IVB vented fuel (liquid hydrogen) and oxidizer (liquid oxygen) separately in perpendicular directions, which appears in the two distinct clouds here
http://pages.astronomy.ua.edu/keel/space/apollo.html

>>15067745
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH3lR2GLgT0
Link related

Don't forget Venus

>>15067751
Omg NASA hire this man.

>>15067186
i told my boss the nazis were cool and he gave me the weirdest look
>>15067049
>https://spacenews.com/space-launch-system-one-step-closer-to-the-moon-and-beyond/
>by Boeing
>>15067249
They just booked Superbird-9 NET 2024

>>15067744
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GGfz-o5khc

>>15067745
And that's a dumb, inefficient system that he only uses because a hybrid fuel rocket bullied him back in middle school.

>>15067354
Why does this look so much worse than the Apollo footage? If they were filmed in the same studio you'd think they'd look similar. dont tell me people thought Kubrick filmed the Moon landing just bc he's the only guy who had a decent movie set on the Moon

>>15067591
> Feather Duster
> 2.5 Billion + T
SHUT UUUUUUUP SHUT UUUUUUUUUUP

>>15067698
>meant to be reliable?
almost like that was always a lie repeated by copers :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CokbWoYm9w4&t=2290s
The failure was at T+3:27. You can actually see it fail on the stream.

>>15067755
>inefficient system that he only uses because a hybrid fuel rocket bullied him back in middle school.
Are there model rockets that use liquid fuels? I'm genuinely curious, I thought they all used solid motors you find at hobby lobby.

>4 months until Ariane 5's last flight
Europe might have zero functional rockets in a few months

>>15067777
Oh I see it, that shit's all wobbly side to side.

>>15067357
The ground is fake

>>15067743
Yeah, that makes sense, now its sounds a bit retarded a full solid rocket if you have the money for a liquid stage, even if i like the concept a lot, maybe make only the 3rd stage liquid so it could be controlled easily?

>>15067784
>>15067357
Space is not only fake, it's real. All of it.
(they fly now)

NASA Spacewalk tomorrow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ppW9wPRvJE&

>>15067779
I think some of the more dedicated ones use kerosene.

>>15067790
Somehow, RS-25 has returned

JJ Abrams will direct the Artemis III moon landing

>>15067805
lmao

>>15067720
It's nice to know its a real-time render and not a shitty playback

H3 will only be $50 million USD?? The fuck, how?

>>15067809
I feel like the only person to love the JJ Abrams Star Trek movies, because they’re not boring and gay like most Star Trek

>>15067744
Solid rocket stages always seem to have problems

>>15067846
>>15067846
Is /sfg/ fucking telepathic? I was just looking at H3 today lol.
> One change that contributed greatly to lowering costs was the use of car parts for the rocket. Previously, parts specially developed for rockets were produced in small quantities, making them relatively expensive.
>In the manufacturing stage, JAXA and MHI were able to automate the riveting process, which used to be done by hand. For manufacturing parts, 3D printers are also used.
Basicaly, JAXA is doing the SpaceX model of rocket building

>>15067691
kek

>>15067737
Solids, from hobby to shuttle class, always seem to be hit or miss for reliability compared to liquid motors.

>>15067850
4T SSO for $50 mil. Compare that to Vega’s 1.45T SSO for $37 mil
Although JAXA has never really been into the huge commercial business. Their slashed prices are probably more for their own benefit than for the customer’s. i doubt they give a shit to get the production rate fast enough to even compare with Ariane 6 or Vulcan, but it would be a pleasant surprise if they tried

>>15067853
i don't really think solids are inherently more or less reliable than liquids (compare vega to astra). it's just that it's inherently more difficult to abort from a failed solid launch so there's no good reason to use them on manned missions.

>>15067850
>it’s literally just a Mitsy Bitsy turned into a hydromeme rocket
Subaru-Toyota methalox TSTO reusable rocket when

>>15067855
I’m actually surprised JAXA hasn’t done more commercial flights. H-IIA is $90 million for 6 tons to GTO, which is pretty good as far as the industry goes

>>15067859
Toyota has taken the hydrogen-pill sadly

>>15067864
It’s over

>>15067861
this is sheer speculation but i think maybe JAXA just wants to have their own homegrown engine design/production capabilities in case spaceflight ever hits some period of explosive growth and launch demand spikes like crazy so they can capture some of the market then. otherwise it doesn't make sense that they'd make such good engines for rockets that don't really do much.

>>15067846
The H3 is the (almost) second coming of the Delta IV medium, except this time all of its parts aren't outsourced to a million different subcontractors. The Boosters are made by IHI and the payload fairing is made by Kawasaki but almost everything else is made in-house by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries.

>>15067861
They've always been one step behind the rest of the market. The H-II was undercut by Ariane 4, and the H-IIA was undercut by Ariane 5 and Proton before they all started getting lapped by Falcon 9. Overall, they've been less concerned with dominating the international market than they have been with producing a rocket that's good enough to keep some domestic payloads from going overseas and not providing a horrible deal for government payloads that have to fly on a Japanese rocket. They have managed to cut the launch price of their rockets in half with each generation, which is pretty impressive.

>>15067870
Id love to know the true production cost of the LE-9. If it’s near $10-15 mil then ehhh okay at least it’s a new cycle and it isn’t in the dozens or hundreds of mil
If it’s $5-10 mil then holy shit
If it’s under $5 mil I kneel

>>15067877
an expander bleed would theoretically be way more reusable than a gas generator if they ever wanted to go that route too...

>>15067335
it was completely covered in sand after 10 days, and yet kept running for 2 years.

bros...she's gone

>>15067883
>>15067578
>>15067326
We know

BUZZ BOOTY

>>15067899
naughty post, anon

>>15067899
The LM is so fucking comfy ugh

>space exploration in the hands of this man
it's over

>>15067906
I shit you not this is what the average person from Louisiana looks like

>>15067899
fuk sake

>>15067906
I bet he EATS POOP AND PEES ALL OVER AHAHAHAHHAHAHA SO EMBARRASSING

FFFUUUUUCK THIS GUY SO MUCH

>>15067733
>You're being the presenter for a French launch and you don't even know the language?
uh, based
>present for a Euro launch
>don't bother since it will fail anyway

>>15067899
guard your asshole, even on the moon

>>15067899
Damn the LM is actually bigger than I imagined.

>>15067920
It's smaller on the inside.

>>15067927
>I CALL TOP BUNK

>>15067927
imagine the smell

>>15067927
Wait, they slept with helmets on?

>“We’re estimating around 50 million dollars [of savings] per Core, and we can do more than two Core Stages per year by utilizing the additional facilities”.

>>15067953
what was the record? 4 or 5 saturn v launches in a 365-day period?

>>15067947
You motherfucker we'll rock-paper-scissors for it
>>15067949
Ever been in county jail where you have to shit in an open room with other dudes just hanging there? It's awkward.
>>15067952
Good question, did they pressurize the LM while they slept or just let the suits be the life support? I genuinely don't know offhand.

>>15067960
just open a window

>>15067960
>Ever been in county jail
no why would I go there

>>15067963
You know, crimes

>>15067964
>crimes
why would I do that

>>15067965
Ignorance, youth, fun, desire to fit in, lots of reasons.
My point is, shitting in an enclosed space with other men is an awkward experience, and the Apollo crews were champs for soldiering through it.

>>15067883
Damn thats sad, i wonder if there were something that can get rid of dust in some way. but not damage the solar panels too much, nevermind it would be too expensive, and we have to give some extra small percentage of the cost as well.

>>15067969
You are weird.

>>15067987
No doubt, but regardless I prefer a closed door and no company when I have to pass stool. To be forced to do otherwise is uncomfortable.

I’m sorry but how do you fuck up a solid rocket with a UDMH upper stage

>>15068010
It's not that easy in rocketry

follow these twitters for more ariana news

>>15067906
Jesus Christ. Is he bloating up? He looks like he's about to explode from the slop inside. Yeah, I'm thinking the Mars dream is over bros

>>15068023
He's been getting fatter and fatter and no signs of slowing. a disgusting glutton

elon is doing a space right now if anybody's interested

>>15067632
>Earthers crush their own workers
>Earthers waste their parts
What's not to like?

>>15068035
??? this isn’t out of the ordinary
He does one at least every other day, it’s fucking annoying.

>>15067906
tell me this is photoshopped

>>15067906
>>15067912
>>15068023
>>15068030
Earthers, as usual, fail to understand the power of BLOATMAXX

>>15067964
I don't get caught, why do you?

>>15068030
If he spend the same amount of time on SpaceX as he did getting fat, we'd be on Titan by now.

>>15067960
>Ever been in county jail where you have to shit in an open room with other dudes just hanging there? It's awkward.

HS was like that. Punks keep vandalising the partitions. When you gotta go though, you rapidly stop caring if someone is watching.

>>15067906

>>15068054
Well I don't NOW, we were all young once anon

https://www.appropriations.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Division%20B%20-%20CJS%20Statement%20FY23.pdf
>Nuclear Thermal Propulsion.-The agreement provides not less than $110,000,000 for the development of nuclear thermal propulsion, of which $45,000,000 is for reactor development, $45,000,000 is for fuel materials development, and $20,000,000 is for non-nuclear systems development and acquisition planning. NASA is encouraged to develop innovative nuclear technologies that enable a regular cadence of extended duration robotic missions to the lunar surface and Mars

I keep telling you that the future is NTP.

virgin orbit got the license to launch in the UK
https://twitter.com/AndrewParsonson/status/1605462466187694081

>>15068049
I wish it was...

>the one launch I decide not to watch live
>hilarious failure
Come on, I'm tired of seeing a spotless Falcon 9 booster landing, I want the thrill of the chance of failure.

https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/zqz53t/raw_footage_of_huygens_descent_through_titans/
>Raw footage of Huygens' descent through Titan's atmosphere.

Solidbros? What happened?

https://www.space.com/arianespace-vega-c-launch-failure-december-2022

>>15067878
closed dual expander please

>>15068257
Ariancespace is trash lol

https://twitter.com/maxhaot/status/1605473751071543299

Whole series of satellite graphis

>>15068021
one of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong

>>15068265
The guy who can snap his finger and wipe out Arianespace?

>Vega C
They built an ISRO rocket kekek

>>15068269
there's a Dragon Ball Spic avatar in the list of serious arianespace twitters

>>15068272
Same role lol

>>15068270
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1594726572820377600

>>15067326
F

>>15068276
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1605386930933452801

>To put this into perspective, the Vega and upgraded Vega C rockets have now failed on three of their last eight launches. This is not a good record for a small satellite launch vehicle that comes at a premium price.


3/8 is is 37.5% failure rate.

>>15068308
>>15068276
Astra level failure rate

>>15068093
Fissionbros, is our time now?

>>15067754
>i told my boss the nazis were cool and he gave me the weirdest look
lucky honestly

>>15067754
>i told my boss the nazis were cool and he gave me the weirdest look

ULA jungle sniper took it out

>>15068093
The future is NTP in the same way that the future, post Apollo, was and has been hydromeme and SRBs.

>>15068062
>When you gotta go though, you rapidly stop caring if someone is watching.
indeed
we had one of these when I was a boyscout
notice the black tarp that prevents you from into pissing your own shoes
given the fact this was for 40 or so people, there was always somebody to race with, sometimes you had to scooch to make room
I will leave it to your imagination how an open pit of turds smells on a hot summer day, after 3 weeks of operation

I'm just having a moment of rage that there are people who laugh at SpaceX rockets exploding, when most of those are clearly in experimental designs. Even if you count the pad explosion in addition to the one in flight explosion, Falcon 9 is still 99% reliable.
Ofc they won't even hear of this Vega failure.

>>15068373
I'd just go do it in the forest

did the 1st or 2nd stage fail?

>>15068431
Looks like a fake TV commercial for comedy scifi or something

https://twitter.com/ispace_inc/status/1605544661619294209
>Our HAKUTO-R Mission 1 lunar lander--operated from our Mission Control Center in Nihonbashi, Tokyo--continues to maintain a stable attitude and power supply on its journey to the Moon.
>Our full-scale model of the M1 lander, however, remains here on Earth, and is on display for a limited time in the atrium on the first floor of Nihonbashi Mitsui Tower until the end of January 2023!
>If you happen to be in the area, please stop by for a visit.
I'm actually getting excited for this mission since I watched the launch. I hope they nail it on the first try.

Airbreathing rockets are the SpaceX killer

>>15068511
Ball Dick Systems
a subsidiary of SACK

>>15068511
>GLOW

>>15068511
>those units

>>15068511
>GLOW
no thanks

>>15068444
>And if you call in the next ten minutes, we'll DOUBLE your order, you only pay shipping!

>>15067452
there is literally a plume visible the first second, doesnt take a lot to get airborne on the moon

>>15068511
>hydrologgs SSTO with over 20% payload to wet mass ratio and no SRBs
This is what the Shuttle wanted to be when it grew up.

>>15068511
>>15068537
>lbm
>psf
>nmi

>>15068629
>20%
you mean 2%?

>>15068629
so true

what if we could compress hydrogen into the same space as methane?

what if I could launch monkeys out of my ass?

https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/zrkrcs/let_us_take_a_moment_of_silence_for_nasas_insight/
Insight lander recently lost communication with Earth

End the stigma against oxygen difluoride as a rocket oxidizer

>>15068741
2.5 BILLION

>>15068704
choosing to make fun of me instead of reply is why sfg is dead

>>15068691
It's theoretically possible to compress hydroememe into a solid but extremely technically challenging, Harvard tried to do it but the community is not sure if the experiment was successful. In any case the benefits would be small it would still weigh the same

>>15068757
Solid hydrogen is only meta stable so you can use it as a monopropellant with an Isp of 1200s.

Ukraine is getting 10,000 more Starlink antennas. Before anyone gets mad, the EU is paying for it
https://www.teslarati.com/ukraine-10000-starlink-antennas/
It’s wild how influential Starlink is already, when it just started launching 4 years ago

>>15068511
I like spacex but i hope it does

>>15068825
>the EU is paying for it
uh oh, many will complain a lot about that
>muh taxpayers subsidizing elon's ventures reeee

>>15068825
If someone really gets mad because of that, he is really retarded daun

>>15068867
The Ukraine was is a touchy subject on /sfg/. A lot of dudes here legitimately support Russia

>>15068874
damn

>>15068866
good thing eu is unelected

>>15068866
pennies for ESA
billions for ukrainians uploading child porn online

>>15068874
Only retards from dvach.

>>15068874
Roscosmos a shit. Starlink is based. Russians are fags.

That's all that matters here. Anybody who disagrees can go cry.

>Tory Bruno says ULA is planning on reusing BE-4s on Vulcan up to 3 times after implementing SMART on the new Vulcan rocket.
lol

>>15068888
Basado. And czech'd

>>15068888
Digits of truth

Wen launch?

>>15068874
What an incredible projection KEK

>>15068890
>up to
aka zero

>>15068890
>>Tory Bruno says
why would I believe him?

Booster 9 is undergoing its first test

>>15068895
3 weeks

>>15068888
russians are fags

>septics getting uppity

>>15068890
Can't wait for ULA to show SpaceX how it's done.

15068913
wat

>>15068919
Mongoloid got angry, ignore.

>ywn travel to Saturn and witness Enceladus transiting Titan

>>15068931
wrong

>>15068931
I will, but you wont

>>15068935
> manned chemical rockets to Saturn
wew

>>15068890
>up to 3 times
Didn't Mr Bruno insist that reuse only becomes economical after 10 times?

>>15068938
Once you actually get to the Saturn system, methalox ISRU is ezmode and Starship is perfect for an interlunar shuttle.

A quest from Robert Zubrin.
Do you accept?

>>15068953
>only 200 dollars

>>15068916

>>15067690
HE'S GONNA TAKE YOU BACK TO THE PAST
TO LAUNCH SHITTY FRENCH ROCKET THAT SUCKS ASS

>>15068942
*for atlas v ;)

>europe has shit access to space rn
quite sad ngl

>>15068913
Russia is losing to this????

>>15068979
there is evidence of russian solders sucking each other's penises. i wish i was making this up

>>15068475
How much budget does JAXA has? i feel that they accomplish a lot with what they have.

>>15068741
F
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>>15068996
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ispace_(Japanese_company)#Hakuto-R_program
>Hakuto-R Mission 1 is a lunar lander carrying the Emirates Lunar Mission rover Rashid in a partnership with the Mohammed bin Rashid Space Centre (MBRSC), along with Tomy and JAXA's SORA-Q transformable lunar robot.
As far as I'm aware, this is mostly a private mission.

>>15068942
True, and considering that the most amount of times a single astronaut has gone to space is only 7 (Jerry Loss and Franklin Chang Diaz share the record) we can conclude that it would've been cheaper to expend every astronaut so far instead of reusing them.

>>15068825
US has donated the most defense equipment and money. So EU fags who pretend they care shouldn't have a problem with this.

>>15068942
Apparently it breaks even at 2 flights?

>>15068954
it's a tutorial fetch quest, what do you expect?

>>15067476
This fat fuck needs to lose some weight
God I fucking hate fat americans so fucking much it's unreal

>>15069013
That's for "SMART" but the idea that flyback boosters are only profitable after ten flights was pure, undiluted bullshit.

Preparations for heavy lifting at LC-39A

>>15069017
Elon himself has said that Falcon 9 reuse breaks even at 2 flights and makes a profit with 3.

I know refurbishing components is hard but in what world is reusing a vehicle more expensive than expending it? Tory must have been stoned when he made that

>>15069013
Lmao they swapped the lines

>>15067476
I love when they do countdown in French

>>15069025
>Tory must have been stoned when he made that
no he just lied through his hollow fangs

>>15069025
On the one hand, their estimates might be based on things like recurring expenses that SpaceX does not have to deal with and other associated costs that ULA eats with every flight that limits their ability to save money. On the other hand, businessmen, even affable ones, lie frequently.

>>15069025
>I know refurbishing components is hard but in what world is reusing a vehicle more expensive than expending it?
shuttle

spacex survived neil armstrong shitting all over it before congress and now they’re landing man on the moon lmao

>>15069068
Did Neil ever come around? I know Buzz is a SpaceX fan now

>>15068049
Pretty sure it’s camera blur or something like that.

>>15069072
No but I don’t blame him. He died in 2012. Falcon 9 had only been flying like 2 years and was a way different rocket.

>>15069082
>He died in 2012
Fuck, was it really that long ago?

There's only one rocket that matters

>>15069105
New Shepard

>>15069105

>>15069134
those trusses are used to assemble concert stages aren't they

>>15069134
What is this shit? Why is it called "ecorocket?" Why does it have my country's flag on it?

>>15069134
I love when the engine cuts out it just drops like a fucking stone.

>>15069140
It's the next step in rocketry

>>15069140
How can you be Romanian without knowing arca

>>15069153
It's the first time I'm hearing about it. I didn't even know we knew what a rocket was.
>steam-powered
???

ciganski bojler

>>15069139
Well spotted.

>>15069140
If you're Romanian, you'd recognize a typical gypsy scam when you saw it.

>>15068916
In what world would flying only the engines back have more savings than flying the whole booster back?

>>15069197
Just saw the rest of the thread

H-hayai!!

>>15069219
the w'rkncacnter stirs

>>15069219
Where's it hurrying to?

Hard R's engine test

>>15069219
what is he doin???

>>15069219
The fuck's going on with the sun?

>>15069241
more like hard start engine test

>>15069245
Powerful magnetism.

>>15069219
looks like the same clip to me

>>15069219
Did that Sun matter move close to the speed of light?

>>15069219
Definitely worth crossing your eyes for that one.

>>15069252
Look at the clocks, anon.

>>15069262
Oh. Still pretty fast, though.

>vega c stream
>"the altitude is lower than expected"
>visualization shows payload nosediving into the ocean

>>15069250
You can clearly see several features that have rotated.

>>15069245
The fire rises

>>15067326
6 new stamps from Czechoslovakia, 1977 and 1982. Five in one complete series, one single stamp.
I've always felt that the Czechoslovakians made some of the most unique stamps of their time; taking a far more artistic flair to stamps instead of a direct portrayal.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/183Oh2xc1lSXYfZMJI5sYG2CKe0ZK3BeT?usp=share_link

>>15069300

>>15069267
I am uncomfortably familiar with this feel.

>>15069307
Kinda feels that they did Korolev dirty on this one. His forehead and jawline is massive.
>"what do they mean the N-1 is an imperfect design?"
>"Don't they know my brain is huge?"

>>15069311
Weird it’s like art deco with a cubism twist or something

>>15068890
Uhh, not sounding good for new glenn if they have to swap engines every few flights.

>>15069300
That looks like a living jester's hat

>>15069267
At least they have to balls to show the nominal trajectory and actual.

>>15069315
Yeah. Only 3 flights lol, what the fuck was BO doing with BE-4 all these years

>>15069337

>>15069337
it's complicated

Kek apparently western intelligence and industries were convinced the Soviets were actively developing a smaller, spiral/dynasoar/Hermes sized spaceplane Alongside buran during the 80s up until the end of the decade

I love how they don’t even say it “will” bring it back, just that it “could”

>>15069375
useless piece of shit rover. send a microscope? nahhh we got microscopes at home

>>15069375
That's gonna be buried after the first dust storm and never recovered.

>>15069375
this rp is so cringe

>>15069375
they're not bringing all of them back though. Also that pic looks like a shitty photoshop

>>15069385
It is cringe. But way less cringe than some rocket girl shit.

>>15069393
still mad?

>>15069393
>congenital feeblemindedness
That is the most accurate depiction of an anthropomorphizer that I've ever seen

>>15069375
I hope a Starship crew comes along and steals them.

>>15069267
If you were an Italian rocket, you'd commit sudoku too.

>>15069393
kek

>>15069404
do you have the one where F9 rocketgirl crashes and breaks

I don't think the astronaut-return architecture is gonna work out

>>15069455

we exponential nao

>>15069469
Astronomers seething

>>15069469
so this is how the night sky dies

I don't understand this Reusable Space Administrators meme

>>15069510
if he dies, he will be remembered as a hero for eternity

>>15069469
anybody looking forward to Kessler syndrome?

>>15069510
>Sending your former space program administrator to the frontlines
What did Russia mean by this?

>>15069510
Buttocks is the best part to get shrapnel wounds. It's just muscle. It'll be fine.

I've been trying to catch up to where we are then it comes to space flight. The whole commerical space seems like swamp of competition. Is it even worth trying to keep track?

Is there currently a singular goal most are trying to reach?

>>15069522
He was a political appointee who fell out of favor with the people who appointed him. Getting sent off to run pocкocмoc was actually a demotion from his prior job, and he managed to fuck things up for himself even further.

>>15069455

>>15069561
*Poococкмocк

>>15069219
>mfw
>the sun is an average sized star
>that there are stars so large they extend out to Saturn's orbit
>that in the very early universe, when first stars were born, its possible that stars whose orbits extended out to the oort cloud or beyond were possible

>>15069241
Rip engine. That green spurt in the beginning.

>>15069583
Eh, you can't design an engine without burning up a few sets of turbopumps first

>>15069577
Black hole stars were fucking wild
>~100x-1000x larger than the larger than the largest modern stars
>so massive their cores collapsed into black holes
>still lives for hundreds of millions of years
>only dies after the star on top of the black hole is not massive enough to counteract the bh’s radiation pressure

>>15069530
>SpaceX is leading the way on a global scale, not even funny how blatant it is anymore
>American institutional have stopped coping and now are accepting spacex
>Chinese institutional are at a soviet 80s level, with more success: launch a ton of rockets, make a space station, send some interplanetary/lunar probes and have some distant heavy lift capabilities copied on the Americans
>American and Chinese private companies are all More or less closely copying spacex, with varying degree of success
>European institutional can only cope with some participation on Artemis
>European private is not available, try again in ten years.
>Russians hope they can get a few shit done before they’re locked out of permanent space access or anything bigger than launching Soyuz

>>15069575
>roososkmosk

>>15069600
>Quasi-stars are predicted to have surface temperatures higher than 10,000 K (9,700 °C).[4] At these temperatures, and with radii of approximately 10 billion kilometres (67 au), or 14,000 times that of the Sun, each one would be about as luminous as a small galaxy.[1]

Jesus Christ.

Soviets had a plan to build a Nuclear-Electric space tug with 2 buran launches that could put a 100 tons payload to GEO in the mid 80s lol

>>15069387
what does look like a photoshop there you retard?

>>15069375
I'm not shitting my pants out of anger like the average /space fag/ here, but I really think it would have been a better idea to just hold the samples and deposit them directly or at least near the return vehicle, maybe even using a robotic arm if needed.

>>15069621
Calculating, the burn time would have been about 7 months, while the nuclear reactor was rated for 2 years, seems like it was very much single use.

>>15069621
The Soviets had many plans for Buran/Energia in the mid-80s but the chances of any of them happening had the USSR stuck around is near zero. With the exception of Mir 2 of course, though it's doubtful it would have ever taken the Freedom-esque dual truss design that was floating around at the time.

>>15069621
Did they have any actual plans for 100 ton GEO payloads or was this just pre-powerpoint cold war dick measuring?

>>15069621
>>15069654

Can astronauts have fillings? I just got a composite filling and am wondering if future space border control will let me fly with it

>>15069685
Holy shit

>>15069686
Composite is just some gunk, it's not metal I don't think and even if it were that'd probably be fine.

>>15069693
I had a metal one but they had to drill it out and replace it. If it gets any worse I'll have to get the whole tooth pulled and replaced with titanium, hopefully that is also flight worthy. The flesh is weak

>>15069666
I think there was a plan for a huge GEO station at the time

>>15069685
That is one peculiar sight, source?

>"we're going to launch soon!"
>"SIKE we're going to test other boosters instead LMAO YOU FELL FOR IT AGAIN"

>>15069504
Better start building those lunar telescopes tards

>>15069504
Whatever, worldwide internet access is more relevant to our lives.
>but the asteroid observations
Earth based observations are bad for asteroids coming from the direction of the Sun. Space telescopes will be the future for asteroid monitoring anyway.

>>15069510
More details:
https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1605705069575294976

is this picture real

>>15069685
Reading up on spaceflight policy in the 90s, its really funny and sad how badly everyone wanted Energia to be a cheap, 100-ton heavy lift commercial vehicle. Like everyone instantly abandoned Shuttle launched payloads once the USSR broke up and there was even the tiniest chance of Energia launches being sold. Even Zubrin fell for the meme.

Do astronoomers realize that in exchange for having their field of study mildly inconvenienced for a few years they'll end up having a much better (orders of magnitude better) prospect to study the universe at depth, due to the space revolution that will and is occurring, something that should have happened long ago and needs to happen eventually? A true human presence and established industry on space will bring so many new advances to astronomy and will deepen our understanding of the cosmos. Instead they just complain and try to ban Starlink. Just compare the two scenarios: one in which Starlink, SpaceX, and all the new players in the industry die and we continue with the same rate of improvement in astronomy; and another one in which a percentage of observations are affected by LEO satellites today but some years down the road we'll be able to have swarms of ultra-cheap, state-of-the-art telescopes everywhere in the solar system and space projects that were only thought to be a fantasy due to their cost and complexity. It's like they can't think long term.

>>15069796
>It's like they can't think long term
Can't blame them. The US got the capability of going to the Moon and then proceeded to discard that in favor of dumping money while being stuck in LEO for over 50 years. It was insane what they needed to do to get funding for a probe back in the day. And everything we developed about spaceflight before the F9 only gave the impression that space was inaccessible to humanity. It's hard to have faith in this field even now.

>>15069796
Astronoomers will whine about starlink destroying their skies in one breath, then go cry racism at some "sacred" Hawaiian native shrub being torn down by the gorillion meter optical telescope in the next. They aren't thinking at all, let alone thinking that far ahead.

>>15069685
Lol

>>15069812
That's actually two different groups. It's just ironic that they act the exact same way when they're trying to fuck up something for someone else. You're dead on about them not thinking; it's all pure emotional response in the present moment.

>>15068888
the corpse of the Soviet space program is still cool to look at, even if we don't want to root for the idiots puppeteering it

>>15069241
https://twitter.com/relativityspace/status/1605613627293110272
it even braps

>>15069819
Rate my design
>Fully reusable TSTO like Energia 2
>Methalox core stage
>Kerolox vertical landing flyback boosters (ie. Falcon 9 strapons)
>Shuttle style wings/tail on the core that allows it to flyback and land horizontally
>Payload bay at the front like Starship

>>15069796
>something that should have happened long ago
And yet look what happened with Musk's annocument about studying an 8 meter with Perlmutter. Litterally nothing has come of it, not even a powerpoint slide.

http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-122022a-blue-origin-new-shepard-bobbleheads.html
https://shop.blueorigin.com/search?type=product&q=bobblehead&options%5Bprefix%5D=last
>The first three women to fly into space on Blue Origin's New Shepard spacecraft have been honored with their very own bobbleheads.
>The limited edition figurines, which feature the spring-loaded nodding heads of commercial astronauts Wally Funk, Audrey Powers and Laura Shepard Churchley, are now available from Blue Origin's online shop. The bobbleheads are boxed in mission-specific packaging and retail for $34.95 each.

>>15069841
poggers

>>15069841
Now that I think about it. Why doesn't SpaceX have an official rocket toy line? They could sell little Starhips and Falcon 9s in every toy store, you know, that would be cool to inspire children.

>>15069847
I need a starship bobblehead

>>15069819
how was the thermal protection system supposed to work on this? in all the renders i've seen the front isn't even covered

YOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>15069848
Elon Musk funko pop toy! no, wait.
ZUBRIN FUNKO POP TOY

>>15069852
von braun funko pop

>>15069847
I guess that would be seen as trashy by the community.

>>15069850
I honestly don’t even know if this could have reached orbit
Like scale I’m Buran’s TPS (already 9 tons) a few time, strengthen the whole structure, add landing gears, you quickly eat up through the 85 tons of payload

>>15069836
retarded/10

>>15069850
Honestly, with a design such as that, wouldn't it really be better off to go with some ablative layer you can reapply anyhow? I remember reading some alternative ablation systems to TPS were actually feasible in some non-shittle circumstances without the massive expenditure in mass, but I might be saying some massive bullshit

>>15069850
tps covered none would retract over unprotected payload area prior to reentry
seen here
youtube.com/watch?v=b6GG8KHDjZk

>>15069882
>none
*nose

>>15069851
You can go back to /uhg/ now, tourist

>>15069851
>/sfg/ doesn't about rogozin getting fucking shelled and shrapnel in the ass
this place is dead

>>15069905
>You can go back to /uhg/ now, tourist
>says the tourist
kys

>15069908
Did this nigga really just go "nu uh, you"

>>15069915
>newfag can't even reply properly
ohnononooo