/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15044147
Take your computer, burn it and explain were all the info went.

>>15044147
Things are only really stored properly in a healthy brain. When parts of the brain are damaged it affects people's memory. People with Alzheimer's start to lose their memory and basically regress back into being a child and then pretty much into a vegetable. When the brain dies it stops sending electrical signals between neurons which is how your brain stores and retrieves memories etc. Maybe if someone died and was brought back to life fast enough then they'd retain most of their memory, but the brain deteriorates fairly rapidly after death

>>15044147
>assume an infinitely recurring universe
>assume consciousness is inherently materialistic, or, more precisely, formed by some precise arrangement of particles that, once achieved, remains constant through a person's memories
Then at some point the exact same arrangement which resulted in you becoming conscious will be achieved again after some finite amount of time.

>>15044147
you stop thinking and worrying about it

>>15044147
My take is there is a universal consciousness in life at the level of the cell. Cells can be conscious of physical laws of the universe and the means to maintain themselves.

The brain is just the byproduct of billions of cells and cellular consciousness and is just another tool for survival in macro-organisms. Whatever information it stores dies with the death of its cells.

However, your cellular consciousness can live on with the production of your gametes that produce a brand-new cell in reproduction, the zygote, and ultimately your offspring that will register new memories and experiences in its brain.

Our whole existence as a macro-organism might be for the purpose of gathering environmental information and then passing that information to cellular consciousness through subsequent zygotes.

>>15044147
What will happen if you turn off server that runs neural networks? I know this cruel and simple answer is not what you would like to hear but reality is cruel and has no magic in it

>>15044147
you punch women in the face forever. aka heaven

>>15044628
There is at least 2 observed "magic" phenomena. 1 of which being that we are actually aware of our existence instead of being zombies with i/o, the other is that anything exists at all. There are no good explanations for that, even with your likely correct analogy for death.

>>15045563
There's nothing "magical" about either of those. It's unlikely that we progressed to this point as a species, yes. But the whole concept of magic is just something that our brains came up with to keep itself occupied once it developed some excess horsepower.

>>15044616
Couldn't we extrapolate this line of thought and say that every living being in earth forms a macro conscience too?

>>15044147
Either you cease to be and it's negligible or it continues in a way that is likely incomprehensible to our brains now so it's impossible to imagine what it will be like.

If it makes you feel any better, there is a genuine possibility for life-extension technology/treatments to be sufficiently available in our lifetimes as long as you don't die at 50 by eating like a pig. It won't stop you from dying or bring back your loved ones but it might help you accept death with a bit more time in a less aged body.

>>15045563
>1 of which being that we are actually aware of our existence instead of being zombies with i/o
this one spoops me pretty hard to think about desu, it's interesting but also confusing on a level that no philosophy shit or rationalization seems to make sense.

>>15045563
You "awareness " is just few words in your inner voice flow -- I exist, im aware and etc . Nothing magical about it

>>15046591
maybe it is for you, sponge brain :)

>>15044147
Well, if you'll indulge me, sit for an extended period of time and then stand up quickly. You feel that sort of uneasy feeling of "slipping away?" That's you going briefly hypoxic. You've briefly begun to starve the key operational centers of oxygen, and so they struggle to support consciousness.

If we take this brief event and scale to a critical and long-term loss of oxygen, like say a loss of pressure due to running a scalpel over a carotid or a bushmaster to the temple, one concludes that the ability to support conscious awareness becomes severely compromised, to say the least.

Take from this what you will.

>>15044147
Quantum teleportation will result in your consciousness being preserved and will send you to the afterlife.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65jdcvSOOjI

>>15044147
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbUcHL2bSF4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-UG-Xx6maY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uz6anwm47g

>>15046821
This is what happens initially but then what is often described as a tunnel of white light appears. Some think this is the soul detaching. I do not know what it is, all I can tell you is what I've experienced, which was an extremely fast and high definition replay of all that I had experienced up until that point, followed by an overwhelmingly intense moment of reflection and choice. I was furious I would die pathetically at the bottom of a pool, regurgitated water and swam to the shallow end. I suppose it could just be some evolved phenomena that provides some boost of energy as cell death begins, but it is all understandably very difficult to study with current scientific tools. It would be safe to assume that anything is possible, given how remarkable existence is as it is, moderated by a sane and practical scientific outlook.

>>15046610
No one is special

>>15047239
Anything is possible, more like many things are possible, but not because existence is so grand or spectacular, but because its thrust upon the user. This is what Heidegger referred to as "throwness."

But that's neither here nor there; Speculation for the existentially inclined. If I'm betting real dollars, like say this is a literal horse race, the smart money is on eternal oblivion.

>but muh pattern recreated again!
So what? If I created a (You) right here in my jeep, it wouldn't be you-you. You're there, he's here, giving me a hummer. Just because you're dead doesn't change that. Causal disconnection.

>>15044151
Humanity made computers and we know how they work, if we knew how to make souls we wouldn't be here

>>15047250
But im kinda special though, maybe you wouldnt understand

>>15048191
Keep dreaming kid, when you finish start reading cognective science articles

>>15044147
read up on the hard problem of consciousness, that's where nihilists have been stuck at for a while now

>>15044147
Either you go to heaven or hell. Stop watching too much pop science videos on youtube

>>15050085
a psychopathic kid dies of chidhood cancer before he grows into a murderous adult
where does he go, namefag?

a serial killer has epiphany shortly before his execution, repents and spends his remaining time on earth praying and begging for salvation, where does he go,namefag?

>>15044616
Physical laws you say:
https://www.quantamagazine.org/there-are-no-laws-of-physics-theres-only-the-landscape-20180604/?fbclid=IwAR15Z0vYTYDytcc71HUsyhn7sfyfXwonEldZ5woDVJPX5SlD_wuvSREWQJY

>>15044147
Being dead probably isn't as bad as we make it out to be. It's more the fact that NOT thinking or perceiving in any way is super alien to our experiences so we fear it the way we fear anything that makes no sense.

In all likelihood it's probably preferable to a lot of religious afterlife interpretations. The real thing worth worrying about is HOW you die because that shit can fucking suck.

>>15050812
Anyone who is afraid of death hasn’t suffered properly yet. The ceasing of our existence is a great mercy. The mere possibility of extending this life and the potential suffering of it indefinitely is in itself the ultimate promise of hell.

>>15050844
But I wanna live forever so I can keep cooming to new anime girls

>>15044147
>Skipping ahead the entire existence of the universe and then some to an unknown end is even more horrifying.
and doesn't make any sense, unless it were a near-infinite coma of some sort, which is not at all what death is

>Losing all the information stored in ones brain currently upon death would basically be equal to a blackout
and doesn't make any sense. why are you using all of these silly, incomparable analogies

monism is scientifically correct

>>15050874
it's so obvious it doesn't even need to be stated. even assuming a hypothetical version of deism is true, it's still almost certainly a monistic reality in general

>>15050874
>>15050881
platonistbros.....

>>15050887
We won, because platonism is monist.

>>15047450
>souls
lmao, what about leprechauns?

>>15044147
>What happens to consciousness
stopped reading right here.
consciousness has not been defined and cannot be measured. talking about consciousness is on the same level of talking about the soul or the magic spirits of the woods.

>>15044147
>he thinks memories, knowledge, and the experience of the passage of time are necessary conditions for a self
lol

>>15050812
>>15050844
>>15047251
You're just saying words

I am afraid of dying and definitely don't want to cease to exist, but even assuming it will become possible to live forever with no degradation, things will inevitably get boring and you will eventually see everything there's to see essentially, if not in 3000 years than in 30,000. I don't see any way out that would not be horrifying and just plain suck.
That said, the very concept of being bored or even just not wanting to see the same thing over and over is a direct result of how human brains work, so assuming technology lets us dive into minute mind-design, maybe that could be changed. Maybe we could essentially become Buddhist monks: content with life and just being there for the sake of it indefinitely but not so complacent and passive that it just leads to total societal degradation. A sort of constant flow state that's also calm. Something like that is the only way out of the cage of human condition I can currently think of, and even that comes with a multitude of caviats on our way there.

>>15044147
cute aztec, would perform open heart surgery on

>>15050097
Heaven
Hell

Also you can't diagnose psychopathy in children. Being an adult is a requirement for the diagnosis.

>consciousness
>>>/x/

>>15044616
I like this little hypothesis. It's super cool and not necessarily depressive. Though, rather than use the word 'purpose' as that would indicate the universe has a collective goal, I think it's more productive if we go one step further and theorize that there may be one universal algorithm/equation that has lead to molecules arranging themselves into cells, which in turn allow themselves to have some sort of automatic information-gathering functionality, which, on a macroscopic scale manifests into what we perceive as 'evolution' or 'survival'. When you go this far, things can become quite scary for most people since we tend to be romantics, but I think the idea that one universal physical rule/equation would create everything that we know, feel love, hate, indifference towards is amazing.

>>15051523
>15051523
life extension is plausible but I think you'd need to alter us beyond belief to make that second half of your post possible.

>>15052005
If you could fine-tune hormonal levels, it could at least ease things up a bit. Maybe that wouldn't count as producing new, efficient mind-states, but never getting depressed would already be a huge plus.

I'm an idealist, so everything is consciousness in my view. The body is the image of your mental activity. When you die, your mental activity merges into the wider universal mental activity that surrounds you, call it the mind of god if you want.

Thus, death is an expansion of your consciousness into the wider universal mental activity.

Basically, you're not going to stop having conscious experience.

>>15052476
Sounds like this conscious experience will be fucking miserable

>>15044147
You disappear.
Recently watched the video on netflix about infinity. which is interesting, but doesn't really touch on consciousness.

But yes, you most likely just don't exist anymore, and never will again.
That's why rejuvenation technology is so important, and why I feel desperate to get a lot of money so that I can afford it if it does come out in time.
Your time would still always be finite, but you could maybe increase it to up to 1000 years, assuming robots and the likes will make life safer... You'll still eventually die to some accident or murder.

>>15044147
You can cope about by believing a magical jewish fairy will move your consciousness into lala-land where everyone is happy.

>>15044151
this is an extremely based explanation desu

>>15044147
>what happens to a computer program after I destroy the hardware?
well?

>>15044147
Is that picture AI generated?

you die and cease to exist entirely. All your memories, all your values, all your thoughts, perception, goals, dreams, accomplishments, everything goes when you die.
>>15052655
>loved ones die
>you continue existing longer without them due to life extension
what a terrible fucking idea

>>15050928
We can observe its existence though. Qualia exist.

We don't fucking know and might never know.
/thread

>>15053411
>we can observe the existence of Jesus though. Yahweh exists
good job for substituting one meaningless buzzword with another meaningless buzzword.

>>15053414
begone, you badly-scripted NPC

>>15053441
feel free to explain the bridge between atoms, molecules, fields and other material described my math and the experience of seeing red or feeling the wind on your face. thinking about the unbridgeable gap between the two is what studying consciousness means, bud

You briefly remember that you're God and then you go on another ride.

>>15053506
>thinking about [...] is studying
lol, yeah just think very hard about gold and you will magically come up with its atomic mass!
fuck off retard, there is no "bridge" because nothing you say has a sliver of evidence

>>15044147
this is a diffusion, I can tell from some of the pixels, and from seeing a few diffusions in my time

You dream and come out of the state of a dream. It ends.

When life ends, why can't you be transferred to another cell through dream states?

>>15053441
between Max Planck and a retarded anon, I'd pick Max Planck every time
how about you?

>>15053540
consciousness exists because qualia exists.
qualia exists because...?

>>15050925
Uh oh, looks like we have a hard determinist and materialist here.

>>15051197
What do you expect the answers to this question to be? A mathematical proof of the fucking afterlife or some shit?

Nobody knows what happens. We can't even prove consciousness scientifically. The idea that we can predict the loss of something we can't define in the first place despite all humans presumably experiencing it is retarded. These threads will always devolve into base speculation because that's all there is.

A dream is not a cage like the universe.

We are in a cell in the cage.

Like being imprisoned.

I assume when we die we switch to a different cage through hyper energy where our energy mass is reconstructed through hyper energy inflation.

you've been here since the beginning of time, far before you really were - and you will continue to do so after your death too.

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>>15053634
why the resentment for materialists or determinists

i am both of those but i don't resent or look down upon the religiously minded whatsoever. You'd think the least you could do is extend some common decency and empathy that your worldviews never shut the fuck up about.

>>15052801
>>15044151
Neither are conscious though and don't feel how time passes. To suffer from blackouts you kinda need both for it to be observable.
>>15050870
>which is not at all what death is
>waiting possibly for eternity after you experience nothing is not what death is
Aha
>why are you using all of these silly, incomparable analogies
Everyone else seems to get them. You are just possibly retarded.
>>15051716
Sorry mate. She's Ai generated.
>>15053395
>everything goes when you die.
Whereto?
>>15053640
>We can't even prove consciousness scientifically
There's no serious research on the topic?
>These threads will always devolve into base speculation because that's all there is.
Don't see a problem with that
>>15053734
Not him, but materialists tend to be the type of people who are hedonistic fucks that kinda ruin everything. Imagine the most degenerate people on gay pride events and furry cons. I can guarantee you 100% they are all like that. That kinda brings a bad light to all materialists I guess, dunno
>>15053524
Why would oldfags still be on 4chin?

>>15053395
Hate to break it to you. Either you're first to die... Or your loved ones will die while you continue living on. That's gonna happen no matter if you get life extension or not.
Besides, you can all go for life extension.

>>15053599
quarks and electrons exist because?
how superchargedly retarded can you be?

Your pulse halts, your energy leaves but maintains its structure and finds a new form ... consciousness is defined by a tree of quantum clocks

>>15044147
>>15044462
>>15044616
>>15047217
>>15054528
>>>/x/ thread

>>15053704
This is basic christian dogma

>A. You were who you are before you were born
>B. You'll be who you were after you're dead

>>15044462
You always hear this but you never see any evidence of it whatsoever. I dont think virtual particles or those ones that pop into existence for half a second would be able to form a full human, unless you're saying that bits will randomly coalesse together to form such a complex structure, but who's to say that you would be alive even if all of your bits are there?
Nothing ever pops into existence and stays here