/sci/ - Science & Math

It's clearly caused by shaking your duvet. Don't do that.

>>15034913
If you're that white ofc you are gonna die from some type of disease

>>15034910
>too the vaccine willingly to die sooner without resorting to conventional suicide
>still kicking while others are dying
Not fair

>>15034910
Tick tock vaxxies

Why cant they nail down what is causing or how to fix long covid?
Is it related to the vaccines and thats just a blind spot to them? Is covid uniquely terrible in some way?

>>15035256
leonardi has it right I think. T Cell exhaustion/aging. He is pro vaccine though which I think is wrong and the vaxx just causes more damage than help.

>>15034910
>- COVID virus was the cause of these vascular diseases
Nope, there's no virus. Germ theory is a scam.

>>15034910
It's caused by global climate chaos. Being 1 degree celsius warmer is just too much.

>>15034913
Omahgerhd! BAN DUVETS!
We need common sense duvet restrictions, like bans, and only duvets that are hanky size, no large capacity duvets!
Think of the childrens!

>>15034910
>It’s the vaccine
All signs point to yes.

>>15034910
Lack of heavy metals, such as lead, mercury and cadmium. They are essentiql nutriens, not poisons. Birds and land arthropods have already almost died out.

>>15035794
You do realize that graph shows unvaccinated are more likely to die from COVID, since there are many more vaccinated than unvaccinated, right? lmao

>>15035794
Aren't people at risk the ones that need to take it the most? That might explain why so many people that took it have died, it's probably been fucking useless.
I believe this issue comes from the horrible fucking diet that people hold in first world countries with microplastics being literally in every consumable good.

>>15036978
Show the percentage of the unvaccinated who died from covid and compare it to the percentage of the vaccinated who died from covid, in this year.
uhh never mind, The protocol for determining covid death is unclear its impossible to know either way.(I actually check this the difference is minoric in favor for the unvaccinated(died less), so you see im not even biased)
The data is completely corrupt covid is the biggest BS in the history of science

>>15034910
who cares? its just vaxcucks. they arent worth your time.

>>15037002
>The data is completely corrupt covid is the biggest BS in the history of science
You are wrong. Viruses are the biggest BS in the history of science. Until you accept that germ theory is a scam, you will always end up in meaningless debates such as this one.
>Show the percentage of the unvaccinated who died from covid and compare it to the percentage of the vaccinated who died from covid, in this year.
THRE'S NO DEATH FROM COVID, THERE'S ONLY DEATH WITH A POSITIVE PCR TEST

>>15037009
Can you explain what a pcr test is?

>>15037011
>doesn't even know what a PCR test is

>>15037014
Well what is it then

>>15034910
There's no covid faggot

>>15037017
First admit you don't know

>>15037011
PCR is a method for multiplicating DNA fragments via a thermodynamic process. PCR test is based on this method. They use the PCR to make more copies of a few crucial DNA fragments in the sample (a nose swab or something) whose origin is the pathogen. Clearly a PCR test makes sense only if you know the genome (the DNA/RNA information) of the pathogen. And this is where the problem lies. The genome is sars-cov-2 is completely made up. It is cooked from swabs of 4 patients with pneumonia by some computer algorithms, but nobody has ever checked whether this genome truly belongs to an entity such as a virus, or if it's just an arbitrary meaningless string of DNA fragments. When you take a PCR test, they simply test whether the sample contains a few very short DNA fragments after it underwent a thermodynamic process. In other words, it says literally nothing about your health.

>>15037002
See Figure 9.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/data-review/vaccines.html

>The protocol for determining covid death is unclear its impossible to know either way
Then why did you post a graph of COVID-19 deaths when you thought it supported your position? Massive hypocrite.

>>15037011
Also notice that the PCR is built in such a way that it never lies. Do you have a cough and a positive PCR? You have covid. Do you have a headache and a positive PCR? You have covid. Are you healthy and you have a positive PCR? You have asymptomatic covid. Are you on your deathbed and you have a positive PCR? You have covid.
This is how you create a pandemic: take whatever shit you want from a healthy or sick person, mix it with other genetic material, sequence a made-up genome from it, develop PCR tests for this genome, set the number of heat cycles too high so that it displays a lot of false positives, tell the whole world that there is a pandemic. Whole world starts testing, a false positive pops up in France - oh no, the virus has spread to France already, how could it be??? It's so fucking stupid it hurts.

>>15037082
It's like all scientists forgot about that one Bayesian probability problem about false positives on a cancer test

>>15037058
>Then why did you post a graph
I didn't, are you knew to "anonymous" image boards?
>https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/data-review/vaccines.html
It's not a global dataset, they compile it in the US only.
It's a global epidemic right? So show me the same thing on a global scale. (I already did that).
Now, can you explain to me how to determine a covid death?

>>15034910
>Has anyone had anyone they know drop randomly

Heart attack took grandpa about a week after the jab, but he was 86 and fat and had 2 previous heart attacks, so I wouldn't actually blame the jab for that one.

One of the MMA coaches the MMA gym I go did develop myocarditis a few months after his booster and now can no longer do MMA at all. He was in 30s and extremely fit. I do blame the jab for that one.

Finally, my boss at work got seriously hospitalized with blood clots in her lungs. She is in her 40s and was jabbed + boostered.

>>15037099
>I didn't
So you butted into a conversation you didn't understand the context of.

>It's not a global dataset
So what? Nice attempt to move the goalposts.

>I already did that
Where?

>Now, can you explain to me how to determine a covid death?
>COVID-19-associated death: Persons with a documented COVID-19 diagnosis who died and whose report the health department reviewed (e.g., using vital records, public health investigation, case interview, healthcare provider interview, medical record review, death certificate, autopsy) to make that determination. Per the interim guidance of the Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists (CSTE), [122KB, 2 pages] this should include persons whose death certificate lists COVID-19 disease or SARS-CoV-2 as an underlying cause of death or as a significant condition contributing to death.

See https://cdn.ymaws.com/www.cste.org/resource/resmgr/pdfs/pdfs2/20211222_interim-guidance.pdf for more detailed info.

>>15037148
>Its a covid death because our policy say so
That was pretty much my point
>Where?
I use this
https://ourworldindata.org
dataset, extract information between vaccinated/unvaccinated and covid death on every country, this is hardly a school project you can do it yourself.

>>15037167
>>Its a covid death because our policy say so
Not what it says.

>, extract information between vaccinated/unvaccinated and covid death on every country, this is hardly a school project you can do it yourself.
Then show your analysis.

>>15037224
>Then show your analysis.
I did it in R a few months ago, i think i removed everything completely sry, i didn't did that to impress anyone or prove anything
>Not what it says.
"underlying cause of death or as a significant condition contributing to death."
This is exactly what it says

It's a covid death because they died of covid. We know they died of covid because they were sick and tested positive for covid. They tested positive for covid because a PCR test returned a result defined as a positive covid result. A positive covid result was defined based on detection of covid associated DNA fragments. Those DNA fragments are from covid because they are part of the covid genome. The covid genome was defined based on sampling from sick people we think had covid. No we will not replicate this genome in a controlled study, because there's no point. Stop asking questions.

>>15037249
I don't believe you. The data doesn't show any country with higher death rates among the vaccinated: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination

>"underlying cause of death or as a significant condition contributing to death."
>This is exactly what it says
Where does it say it's a COVID death because our policy says so?

>>15037548
higher covid death rates
Are there any stats on overall death rates between the two groups?

>>15037548
>The data doesn't show
You don't supposed to use this specific information(there aren't enough countries), there is a way to make an estimate quite close to reality.
I'll let you figure it out on your own(this is a math and science board after all)
>Where does it say
What is a "significant condition contributing to death"? how do you measure this? where is the offset value?

>>15037552
Not that I know of. How about excess deaths? They are lower in Europe since the vaccines were introduced.

https://mobile.twitter.com/dobssi/status/1594338146774577152

>>15037621
>They are lower
kek good one. Don't shake your duvet too hard.

>>15037589
>You don't supposed to use this specific information(there aren't enough countries), there is a way to make an estimate quite close to reality.
So what data did you use?

>I'll let you figure it out on your own
It sounds like you're lying.

>What is a "significant condition contributing to death"?
Why don't you click on the link I gave you and find out?

>>15037633
Not an argument. Thanks for conceding.

>>15034910
viruses don't exist, statistics are fraud, government is faggot

>>15037651
>Why don't you click on the link I gave you and find out?
You keep avoiding my question so how can you expect me to answer yours?

>>15037653
Conceding what? I'm laughing at your great satire.

>>15037548
stop posting links, it's propaganda

>>15037663
What question am I avoiding?

>so how can you expect me to answer yours?
You asked me how covid deaths were determined. I gave you a link discussing it in detail. You ignored the link and mischaracterized my answer. The vaccines work, get over it

>>15037693
You have no response to the data showing excess deaths decreased after the vaccine was introduced. Thanks for admitting I'm right.

>>15037621
according to your link, excess deaths among the young have gone up since the vaccines were introduced

>>15037703
Stop posting, you're retarded.

>>15037011

>>15037653
>Thanks for conceding.
bot programming response.

>>15037937
>excess deaths among the young have gone up since the vaccines were introduced
Correct.
An increase of over 40% increase in deaths among those under 45 years of age since the "vaccines" were rolled out.

>>15037621
>How about excess deaths? They are lower in Europe since the vaccines were introduced.
no

>>15037548
>The data doesn't show any country with higher death rates among the vaccinated:
Wrong.

>>15037936
>You have no response to the data showing excess deaths decreased after the vaccine was introduced
Wrong. Deaths have increased dramatically in EVERY country once the "vaccines" were introduced.

Even isolated people in countries like Cambodia were doing fine until they got the clot shots.

>>15037548
>The data doesn't show any country with higher death rates among the vaccinated:
Bullshit. Every country and ALL the legit data shows
More vaxs = more comorbidities and more deaths

>>15038203
>more people get vaccinated in a place where more people get covid
SHOCKER

>>15038291
>>more people get covid in a place where more people get vaccinated.
>SHOCKER

FIFY Big Pharma Glowie

>>15038297
>25% of population still unvaccinated
>cases are spiking
WHAT. A. SHOCKER!

>>15038404
>>75% of the country is contaminated with the vaccine varients
>>cases are spiking
>WHAT. A. SHOCKER!
Right!?

>>15038404
How many francs does your dignity cost?

>>15038437
pharma shills have no dignity. they aren't even human anymore, as they sold their souls.

>>15038490
They sold their bodies too. Subscription shots.

>>15038491
>They sold their bodies too. Subscription shots.
The people in government and corporations that are part of the "insider group" and pushing the clot shots didn't take them. Guaranteed the ones "in the know" took saline injections for PR photo shoots.
But yeah, the normies and NPCs who act like picrel surely took them.

>>15038504
A few people didn't even use real needles. Some of them just took photos with the caps still on lol

>>15038508
yeah shit has been surreal last few years. I laugh at clown world.

>>15038513
Remember when the mayor of London posed with a fake needle and then claimed he got the real poke off-camera due to stage fright?

>>15038516
I didn't see that one, but not surprising since Sadiq Khan (JFC England, really? Khan as a mayor of London??) is a WEF member.

https://www.weforum.org/people/sadiq-khan

>>15038516
Britons had better rise up and take their country back soon.

>>15034910
My guess would be it's Covid long-term or permanently fucking people up. Long covid can lower your IQ by 10 points says good, somebody lost hearing in one ear after covid.
Not to talk about the permanent lung tissue damage that comes with the severe type of covid.

I kinda regret taking the vax though, because it seems like it doesn't remotely help with stopping spread, so it was just an unnecessary risk. Quite a few people 20 in age got strong reactions, like heart attacks, and were hospitalized after getting vaccinated. So the vax was not worth the risk imo.
Just don't be a retard, use a glove when touching public things, wash your hands after you've been outside or touched your door handle.

>>15037935
>You asked me how covid deaths were determined. I gave you a link discussing it in detail
so basically you have no idea thanks for the confirmation

>>15038868
there's no virus you goddamn pleb

>>15038868
Long Covid has fucked up my sleep-wake cycle for the past couple years or so. For the longest time I was sleeping from 1am to 7am, then from about 1pm to 5pm that same day, then I would completely stay up the following night. Repeat that cycle for about a year.

It was only about 1/4th of the way through 2022 that I started to feel remotely better, but I'm afraid Covid has permanently given me brain damage I'm gonna have to contend with for the rest of my life.

Theres the very real possibility that just the initial Covid infection from 2020 is causing sleep problems in people which are contributing to the rise in chronic diseases.

>>15038262
Vaccination rate is correlated with age. Remember the oldies were the ones getting vaxxed first. The biggest determinant of dying by Covid? Old age. Dont believe this retard, his graph is basically a redundant way of saying old people die from covid at higher rates. We should look at the statistics of unvaccinated people compared to their age group or anything you post is going to be confounded.

>>15038868
>>15039670
ChatGPT posts

>>15039683
So you're just admitting the vax does nothing and they still die. Ok great.

>>15036978
>there are many more vaccinated than unvaccinated
Gonna need a source (not CDC- or WHO-affiliated) buddy.

>>15034913
>>15035788
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXWhbUUE4ko

>>15039904
It's a pretty funny meme you have to admit. The amount of retarded excuses people will make to avoid saying the vax is killing people is pretty high.

>>15034910
finally, a proper source on sci

>>15035794
pure numbers mean nothing to me, give me percentages and rates here. How many unvaxxed patients were there total? Vaxxed patients? Age of death in both groups and individually?

>>15039905
Because it's not. You're just living in your own fantasy trying to misrepresent data. Please, I get you got buckbroken after there wasn't a "vaxxy dieoff", but please don't try to mislead other people.

>>15040196
>You're just living in your own fantasy trying to misrepresent data.
So you're saying I'm allowed to shake my duvet, take cold showers, and go out in the sun and it won't kill me? So what's killing all those people if those excuses are frauds?

>>15040368
>I'm allowed to shake my duvet, take cold showers, and go out in the sun and it won't kill me?
yes
>So what's killing all those people
weakness

>>15040413
>weakness
They suddenly developed that weakness after early 2021? How odd. I guess it's just a coincidence.

>>15038868
>Just don't be a retard, use a glove when touching public things, wash your hands after you've been outside or touched your door handle.
Covid-19 doesn't transmit on fomites, unless you handle a fomite that is covered in liquid such as snot, to preserve the virus.

Covid-19 virus dies quickly outside of a host on a dry object, within 5 min or less in all studies.

>>15040163
Not that anon, but all studies show the vaccinated die at about 4X the rate as unvaxxed.

So to put it simply, the vaccine makes you 4 times more likely to die, but the odds of either are limited.
1% of people all ages unvaxxed die from virus.
4% of people all ages vaxed die from the virus.

Death rates purely from the vaccine are around 4% as well, so you could say 8% total deaths for vaxxed and exposed.

>>15040564
That infographic shows that non-vaxxed dies 3x more commonly. At least 90% got the vax, and almost as many got a 2nd dose. Fewer got the booster.

2800/0,9 = 3111
900/0,1 = 9000

>>15040553
Hm, the earlier info was that the virus could live for up to 3 days on certain materials.
If it actually died within 5 minutes then we wouldn't have such a stark difference in summer/winter spread.

>>15040701
>If it actually died within 5 minutes then we wouldn't have such a stark difference in summer/winter spread.
You don't have elections in the summer.

They lied to you about the origins of the virus. What makes you think they didn't lie you about the side effects of the vaccine?

If you look at young people the supposed benefit of the covid vaccine is marginal at best. That coupled with the full blown propaganda and coercion. Anyone with a brain would have been suspicious and rejecting it.

Imagine you go to a car dealership the dealer tries to convince you to buy a car telling you how great and wonderful a car it is and how it's the last car you will ever need to buy - when you politely decline, the dealer doesn't let you leave, tells you if you don't get it you will lose your job and be banned from public places.

Are you going to buy that car? The government being scumbags is nothing new to me what is shocking is how many people just went along with it and once they did they actively thought to destroy those who refused to comply. Humanity really is a garbage species in aggregate.

>>15035143
he knows what he did

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5yJZfeeNhoc

>>15040751
>Imagine you go to a car dealership the dealer tries to convince you to buy a car telling you how great and wonderful a car it is and how it's the last car you will ever need to buy - when you politely decline, the dealer doesn't let you leave, tells you if you don't get it you will lose your job and be banned from public places.
>Are you going to buy that car? The government being scumbags is nothing new to me what is shocking is how many people just went along with it and once they did they actively thought to destroy those who refused to comply. Humanity really is a garbage species in aggregate.
based
time for society to collapse so the weak sheeple leftists can be culled by nature.

>>15040701
>Hm, the earlier info was that the virus could live for up to 3 days on certain materials.
You still stuck in May 2020.

You glow now. Hope you die soon.

>>15034913
>It's clearly caused by shaking your duvet. Don't do that.
KEK!!!!!!

Does anyone have a link to that document from the WHO educating doctors how to fill out the death certificate for a covid death? I specifically remember it had an example where the death was HIV/aids complicated by COVID and they said DO NOT put aids as the cause of death, put it as an underlying condition and put COVID as the cause of death followed by acute respiratory failure.

Also I think they automatically corrected ICD-10 codes. For example: if a doctor had put down COVID as an underlying condition and in the cause of death list it had something like "acute respiratory failure" the system would automatically change that to U07.1(covid death)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5356997/

>>15041004
I cannot imagine that's survived the massive memory-holing process they did on all their fraud.

>>15041004
>>15041035
Found it
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/10186/10693286/COD_WHO_Annex.pdf

Page 12 has the part about HIV and I think the following quote means they automatically change the underlying cause of death to COVID
>The certifier should have added the HIV disease as a comorbidity in Part 2 of the certificate, however the selection rules of ICD allow to identify COVID-19 as underlying cause of death. (COVID-19) is reported in a sequence ending with a terminal condition (Acute respiratory distress syndrome due to COVID-19)

So basically if "Acute respiratory distress syndrome" is how the person died(that's how everyone dies along with cardiac arrest), and COVID-19 is anywhere on the chain of events(even if it is not the underlying cause) the selection rules of ICD will automatically change the death certificate to COVID-19 as the underlying cause.

And another interesting quote from the PDF
>A death due to COVID-19 may not be attributed to another disease (e.g. cancer) and should be
counted independently of preexisting conditions that are suspected of triggering a severe course of
COVID-19.

if u care about vaxcattle ur doing it wrong

As long as anti-vaxoids keep bitching at vaxoids on the Internet, they're implicitly admitting that vaxoids are still around.
Have they asked why vaxed Robert Malone isn't dead yet?

>>15041194
remember when this was explicitly told to everyone during the lockdown by government authorities and only a few schizos took any notice

>>15040553
>Covid-19 doesn't transmit on fomites, unless you handle a fomite that is covered in liquid such as snot, to preserve the virus.
Covid transmits on formites if you perform enough PCR tests to get a positive result (which you always will eventually).
Covid doesn't exist.

>>15037097
whenever they are asked the question, something like 80% doctors do not understand Bayes theorem

it's simple enough for high school students to understand..

>>15041215
Yep.
Falsely labled deaths.
Fake scamdemic.

>>15041215
PF remembers.

>>15041212
Why don't smokers die the first puff they take?

>>15043960
ciggs are safe and effective too!

>>15040735
>They lied to you about the origins of the virus. What makes you think they didn't lie you about the side effects of the vaccine?
yep

>vast majority of people moving on with their lives
>same antivaxxers making seethe threads on 4chan, hoping everyone will die
kek. ugly evil people

>>15043938
this is jsut a bunch of phrases mashed together that sound "sciencey", it doesn't actually describe any known processes for modifying viral characteristics

>>15044877
According to Science, the ugly evil vaxoids are being killed by these threads.

>>15044885
actually it's copypasta from an existing scientific paper
it is a real email, you can see it yourself in the FOIA leaks

>>15044885
What are "viral characteristics"?

>>15043980
TO BE FAIR:
caffeine and nicotine significantly reduce your risk of certain neurodegenerative disease
The scoince is actually unequivocally on board with this one.

>>15041194
>https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/10186/10693286/COD_WHO_Annex.pdf
great find anon. I'm trying to download everything like this and save it both locally and in the cloud for the future. the information overload on the topic makes it hard for me (brainlet) to make an accurate assesment on what is causing the excess deaths, but if it turns out to be the vaccine or policies made by supernational institutions, all these sorts of documents will be invaluable for judicial processes in the future. let's hope we never need them though.

>>15045320
>I'm trying to download everything like this and save it both locally and in the cloud for the future.
Good thinking.
Also spread it everywhere.

>>15044885
>it confuses me, so it must not be real.

>>15034910
>It’s the vaccine
Correct.

>>15046872
KEK

disturbing that none of you consider diet being related, this board is full of braindead retards

>>15048180
Did diet suddenly change for the impacted populations at the start of the rollout of the injections?

>>15048186
It wasn't suddenly overhauled, but yeah it probably got suddenly even worse. As bad as it already was, it got worse, because people were stuck at home doing nothing. no work to distract them from stuffing their faces, also stripped of any shame for doing it because no one's watching, plus everyone's doing it!

>more eating in general - more meals, bigger meals, more overeating
>more snacking
>so more carbs/sugar, more poisonous additives - basically a constant stream of both flowing into their veins
>more alcohol too - probably way more, just lke the snacking and overeating, "why not? no one's watching, and everyone's doing it, ha ha!"
>not getting much if any exercise
>not getting much if any fresh air, so constantly in a low oxygen environment

Basically the government instructions/advice to 'stay safe' meant:
>Stay home and make your health and thus your immune system worse in every possible way - that's how we all Stay Safe! (And then take the untested cell reprogramming therapy, repeatedly, when we tell you to)

Are schizotards ever going to shut up about the vaccines? It's been almost a year since Putin invaded ukraine and ended covid.

my dad, my uncle, and three other of their colleagues whom i know personally got covid, got vaxxed and got these same vascular shit at the same time and came back from death's door. And my mom literally died of something a little different. These fuckers forced me to get vaxxed and now none's talking about it.

>>15048206
my job still makes me wear a mask because I'm unvaxxed

>>15034913
DEBOONKED
>https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-itv-alteredarticle-idUSL1N2UJ1N6

>>15040163
here you go fren
same trend seen in 40-49 year olds
may was the last month of data they made available before shutting it down

>>15048206
>It's been almost a year since Putin invaded ukraine and ended covid.
kek!