/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15013132
It's a paraphilia called autogynephilia or autoandrophilia, lumped together with a rare psychosis called body dysmorphia. One is just a perversion caused by childhood abuse or pornsickness, and one is a mental illness that can be treated with antipsychotics.

>>15013132
The simple abstraction of chromosomes being deterministic of secondary sex characteristics isn't accurate

Actually, most of these traits such as muscle mass, deepness of voice, body hair, etc are epigenetic traits in which the expression of genetic potential is modified by environmental factors.

The combination of environmental contaminants such as onions proteins and microplastics in the modern world, passive environmental conditions like a sedentary lifestyle and high screen time, and psychosocial factors such as underdeveloped social skills and ubiquitous feminist and pro-queer values systems can often reshape the expression of secondary sex characteristics to more closely resemble those of the opposite biological sex.

As a mental health diagnosis, it isn't clearly defined and certainly isn't the absolute material state of "being the opposite gender" based solely on personal declaration that it gets socially celebrated as. But yes, the biological basis of a dramatically increasing number of people developing intermediate expression of secondary sex characteristics does actually exist.

>>15013132
>What is the science behind transgenderism?
Mental illness.
>>15013132
>So does transgenderism, without getting political, actually exist? Yes/No and why?
No, it's simply gay crossdressers with mutilated body parts, AKA - self-harm.

Transgenderism is just another form of "cutting" and self-harm.

>>15013166
And what about the brain scans showing the different electrical patterns that match the opposite sex?

>>15013328
>that match the opposite sex
not true

>>15013328
female = mental illness

>>15013329
Why not?

>>15013339
Because it's not a factual statement. It's just an unsourced lie repeated by mentally ill men.

>>15013341
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8955456/#:~:text=The%20Brain%20Sex%20of%20transgender,(see%20also%20Figure%201).

>>15013346
Even that study admits that they have male brains.

MTF trannies come into two flavors:

Autogynephiles: Men who are sexually aroused at the thought and image of themselves as women ie Caitlin Jenner

Homosexuals: Gay bottoms who transition to trick straight men ie Blaire White

>>15013132
They tried to understand it in terms of hormone disorders, and that seemed promising. But nowadays they'll ruin your life if you try to look into it at that level.
There will never be unbiased research on it with the way things are going.

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>>15013346
>>15013350
>>15014685
lol, lmao even

>>15013132
>So does transgenderism, without getting political, actually exist?
It's a mental illness, like some people wanting to eat cat shit. It "exists" in that manner of speaking, sure.
Western cultures that don't even have gender in their language, like Estonian and Finnish, still have men who want to trick others into thinking they are females. It has nothing to do with "gender"

>>15015135
>>15014685
>>15013346
>>15013350
Most studies that try to suggest "transgender brains" exist usually include participants that have been on HRT. Hormones absolutely change your brain profile so the studies are worthless from the start on top of proving basically nothing.

>>15015662
>It's a mental illness
>>15013341
>mentally ill men.
>>15013166
>Mental illness.
>>15013166
>Transgenderism is just another form of "cutting" and self-harm.
>>15013138
>One is just a perversion caused by childhood abuse or pornsickness, and one is a mental illness that can be treated with antipsychotics.
Sums it up.

>>15014685
exactly what you'd expect. yeah hormones and your own behavior will have an effect on your brain structure, but your brain is still distinctively male or female.

>>15016919
>but your brain is still distinctively male

male troons still score higher in average intelligence and problem solving abilities than women.
Imagine having a woman's brain......the state their thoughts must constantly be in.....

>>15013132

>>15018440

troons from either side are incels and femcels but extreme. Both groups trooned out because no one would fuck them. Also troons who cut off their dick are modern eunuchs

>>15015662
Transgenderism cures the problem of feeling like people are perceiving you as the wrong gender. What does eating cat shit cure?
>hunger
Nope it makes you very sick and has basically no nutrition
>It cures people who feel the need to be seen as a cat-shit eater
While true, it isn't the same or as beneficial as being perceived as a historically culture defined gender.

You'd have ground if transgenderism poses a threat to the person
>Can't have babies
Well a lot of people choose to not have babies, or do activities or jobs that risk their possibility of having babies, are they immoral?


Your Estonian and Finnish argument just proves that the 6 letter word 'gender' has nothing to do with it and in fact our belonging in society supercedes language. Not having a word for something doesn't disprove it's existence

Not married to these ideas. I probably sound really dumb so correct me

>>15013132
Look into the Replication Crisis, there is no "science" on it, just philosophical wanking being passed off as "facts"
>>15013328
not even remotely true. You will never have a female brain, they are wired and shaped completely differently, no amount of hormones will give you a female brain, only deform your male brain.

>>15013132
>does transgenderism, without getting political, actually exist
the T in LGBT is really there as a category beyond categorization. though in recent years there's been a concerted effort to define it such that the ultimate conclusion is chemical and surgical alteration to permanently appear closer to the opposite sex.
in that sense, people are attempting to force the T into something real by putting as much skin in the game as they can, even so much as committing young children to it.

>>15013132
trans is only 0.000001% of people

2022 "trans" is media and internet brainwashing. TWNBAW, and they can cope and sneed

>>15020402
>You will never have a female brain, they are wired and shaped completely differently, no amount of hormones will give you a female brain, only deform your male brain.
FTM and MTF always still default to extremely typical behavioral modalities associated with their sex chromosomes. The funny example would be all the gamers who think they're women while competitively playing the same games 12 hours a day for years. Truly only autistic males could achieve that.

>>15020534
exactly, its very amusing seeing these trans"girl" memes passed around that are just depictions of extreme male brained autism, and zero behavior exhibited by real females,
Its shocking with this on display we still "gaslight" ourselves as a society out of niceness

>>15013328
Sex and gender are two completely different things. Sex is a biological concept, gender is a social construct with no relation to biology. Biological sex is unrelated to gender, so even if what you're saying is true, it's not really relevant to transgenderism.

>>15020711
"gender" is not a scientific concept, it holds no basis in reality and is akin to philosophy.

>>15016929
Imagine being able to self learn or study without the constant desire to jerk off.

>>15020711
It's still treated as though it means the same thing, and has negative societal impacts all for the sake of affirming mentally ill perverts. If anything, the transgender boom has made gender roles more of an extreme meme of what they ever have been.

>>15020711
If gender is just a construct why do transtards want to change it?

>>15013132
Thrust and fluidity

Fake pic btw, its pfc disconnected from occipital from brainwash antennae.... its actually in the midbrain genitalia section and hippocampus secretion

>>15020848
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>>15021032
I agree, and I think the entire sex/gender distinction is largely bullshit, but the person I was replying to >>15013328 is claiming that we have evidence that trans people are trans because of brain scans that show them to have brains that "match the opposite sex". Presumably, this person also believes that sex and gender two different things, and that sex is biological, while gender is a social construct. If that is indeed the case, then by their own reasoning, brain scans are entirely irrelevant to the topic of transgenderism, since brain scans concern human biology, and hence can only say anything about sex, but not about gender, which again, is supposedly unrelated sex or human biology.

pic unrelated

>>15021094
It doesn't matter retard because its outright false to begin with

>>15013132
The monozygotic twin studies tells us that there is some genetic component to transgender is, however this doesn’t justify the claim it’s entirely genetic, as if it was just in the genes, the monozygotic twins would be transgender 100% of the time, as they are identical. It also doesn’t justify the pursuit of this lifestyle, as the outcomes regarding suicidalkty along with other mental health problems worsen when these individuals lean into it. To me it seems right now like a problem without a solution

>>15021192
Why are you even on a science board if you don't understand basic logic or mathematics? It's called an argument ad absurdum. If you're not some sort of tranny SJW, a low IQ normie, or an actual nigger, then you should be familiar with the concept. In mathematics, logic, and science, an argument ad absurdum is when you show that a position or claim is incorrect because it leads to a retarded conclusion that can't be true or which is inconsistent. My post was presenting an argument ad absurdum against this tranny supporter >>15013328.
Again, if you are not nigger or a woke SJW shitlib, then this should not be a difficult concept to understand. If you disagree with me, then you are literally agreeing with the dude who said that trannies are real because of muh brain scans.

I'm pretty sure you're just a retarded shill though, so I'm not going to read your response unless you disavow the Talmud and Zionism. Anyway, you should probably go to plebbit if you're more into pop-sci and you get triggered by subjects like math and logic.

>>15021212
Im not reading this novel
the claim about brain scans was outright false to begin with, nobody needed your long winded input validating gender theory to make a "point"

>>15021094
>>15021212
Poltards always feel the need to write entire fucking essays of SEETHE about muh trans people and sjws.

Maybe try having sex for once in your life, and then you won't be so worried about what other people want to do with their bodies and their lives.

>>15021228
Lol incels are the biggest troons dont fool yourself faggot

>>15020399
>Transgenderism cures the problem of feeling like people are perceiving you as the wrong gender
No it doesn't. Like I said, the same mental illness exists in societies that don't have gender.
>What does eating cat shit cure?
Nothing, it's a mental illness. That was the entire fucking point. A man dressing like a woman doesn't cure anything either
>You'd have ground if transgenderism poses a threat to the person
It does. Pic related. LGBT mental illness is not due to society discriminating against them. And of course, there is the current push to get children to mutilate their genitals.
>Well a lot of people choose to not have babies, or do activities or jobs that risk their possibility of having babies, are they immoral?
Yes. Not attempting to replace yourself means other's children will have to take care of you and pay for you. Japan is in a crisis over this right now.
>Your Estonian and Finnish argument just proves that the 6 letter word 'gender' has nothing to do with it
Then why the heck would you say "cures the problem of feeling like people are perceiving you as the wrong gender" if gender has nothing to do with it????
I literally said it has nothing to do with gender. It's about tricking others into thinking you are a different sex, or sometimes multiple people (ie the idiots who refer to themselves as "they"). No different than tricking others into thinking you are a dragon or cat. It's a mental illness
Also, since it has nothing to do with gender, I should not need to call them their "preferred gender." Yet they have a mental breakdown if I don't. There is a clear mismatch between reality and what is going on in these people's heads.
>Not having a word for something doesn't disprove it's existence
"It" is a mental illness. Of course it exists. I'm pointing out it doesn't actually have anything to do with gender and hence "gender disphoria" is a pseudoscience lie attempting to distract you from these people's mental illness.

>>15021197
>The monozygotic twin studies tells us that there is some genetic component to transgender
No they don't.
>>15020711
>gender is a social construct with no relation to biology
A complete lie.
>>15020507
>the T in LGBT is really there as a category beyond categorization
It originally stood for transvestic fetish. Why do you think the first 3 are about sex preference and the last one is about "gender"? Because they changed it so parents wouldn't freak out when they realized these people are trying to groom children into a sexual fetish.

>>15022062
>No it doesn't. Like I said, the same mental illness exists in societies that don't have gender.
Would that not then be body dysmorphia, as opposed from gender dysphoria? For example, the individual would be fully 'masculine and male', and just feel wrong without a vagina - merely desiring a vagina while remaining fully "man"? That is obviously far different from a desire to be perceived as that social type typical to vagina, i.e. woman. Of course, they could have no concept of man or woman without gender.
>Then why the heck would you say "cures the problem of feeling like people are perceiving you as the wrong gender" if gender has nothing to do with it????
They said "the 6 letter word 'gender' has nothing to do with it." The gender with which we're perceived is an actuality, irrelevant are the words with which we describe it.
>Also, since it has nothing to do with gender, I should not need to call them their "preferred gender."
Again, nothing to do with the 'word' gender, but gender is an actuality. E.g 'El man' and 'La woman'.
>I'm pointing out it doesn't actually have anything to do with gender and hence "gender disphoria" is a pseudoscience lie attempting to distract you from these people's mental illness
Then what "mental illness" is it?

>>15022062
> 400 LGBTQ people in Minnesota reported worse mental health than 7,000 heterosexual Minnesotans
> LGBTQ subjects also reported more major discriminatory events in the last year
> Admit they need to study more of the discrimination and stressors that LGBTQ face

"Yes 400 gay, bi, lesbian and transgender people in Minnesota have bad mental health, I won't think why that could be, not that their family dosent accept them or society at large, or that the sample size was ~1/14th of the heterosexual sample size, but this indefinitely proves all trans people are mentally deranged"

Also yea someone already responded to your brain dead response to my original comment.

>>15021226
This is some anti-intellectual wignat type shit. Like Kanye's appearance on Tim Pool the other day that a lot of people thought was "based", but which probably looked pretty bad to most normies.

It may be obvious to you that trannies and jews are degenerates, but some people need convincing, and logical arguments and empirical evidence are probably more effective in that regard than sperging out and seething at anyone who disagrees with you - and in your case, even people who do agree with you.

How come Trannies became a protected class so fast and out of nowhere? Just 10 years ago everybody knew that trannies are just some mentally ill faggots.

>>15013132
When you think about it, women are actually quite impressive considering they only use half of their brain

>>15013132
No. And they changed the definition of gender to circumvent scientific reality.

That's the blue pilled logic, at any rate
The true redpill is understanding that there IS a fundamental difference between men and women's brains. Women's brains are useless trash, just like the brains of low test men

>>15022218
I distinctly remember the definition of "racism" being "fear of another group" and within the last 20 years this has been blatantly changed to "hate of another group"

>>15022214
Obamacare provided the basis for it by adding tranny medicine that had been previously considered retarded bullshit.

>>15022214
Also, pic related files itself under "trannies" and there are a lot of these people now.

>>15022184
>This is some anti-intellectual wignat type shit.
Holy fuck man you're actually like 14 years old aren't you? You're insanely inept and should off yourself
Go jerk off black Israelite supremacist over on /pol/ , you aren't an intellectual you are a loud mouth lowwit newfag

>>15022368
>muh pol
>poltards are the real newfags
>you aren't an intellectual
>you are a loud mouth

>>15013166
>Mental illness.
/thread

>>15022397
>pic related
SFW boards in a nutshell.

>>15022448
Didn't sage, just forgot to take name off.

>>15013132
>I thought that chromosomes (XX, XY) are deterministic of aspects like grey/white matter, bone structure, testosterone and oestrogen, etc.
>deterministic
This is retarded. Take people born without pensises while being XY or females born sterile while being XX. Obviously there is other factors that going into the development of our biological system besides having a chromosome or not having a chromosome. Other genes, the conditions in the womb effecting how you are grown, etc. I don't why conditions in the womb or other genetic factors cant make a male can be born with the female sense of being a girl.

There are masculine women and feminine men, naturally. Doesn't make them another gender. But this modern normalization of playing pretend has made a lot of people think delusionally chasing this alt life is going to give them happiness and satisfaction.

>>15022479
>don't why conditions in the womb or other genetic factors cant make a male can be born with the female sense of being a girl.

That makes it a birth defect, then, which should be accepted but not normalized, and certainly not glorified.

>>15013138
fpbp, God bless you forever and forever.

>>15022490
Sure I agree. Being trans shouldn't be normalized or glorified. Just as bring in a wheelchair because they are a cripple. You shouldn't attack someone just for being a cripple. But people who aren't cripples shouldn't be rolling around in wheelchairs.

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>>15015662
>>participants that have been on HRT

Wrong, what to make of it?

>>15022479
>trickle_down_economics.webm

>>15022574
>>15015662

>>15021228
> your brain anatomy varies from the norm a little
> ignore all other biology and science altogether
> mutilate genitals and start ingesting severe amounts of hormones as it is the only obvious conclusion
> life doesn't improve
> try not to grasp irreversible harm you did to your body
> blame and insult the "poltards" for talking about it

>>15018440
>>15018442

>>15022397
You really have no idea what you're talking about and haven't been here longer than 2016 at most.
You're flexing your pre school debate skills and validating gender theory, calling those who don't "anti intellectual", now you're screeching about Kanye west and tim pool. Do you realize how retarded you are?

>>15023146
I'm not even the same anon. I didn't bring up gender theory, I just think you sound like a retard, and the fact that you're getting so annoyed at someone who basically shares your position make it seem like you're trolling or not acting in good faith. Having rebuttals and counterarguments to other people's positions is a helpful thing to have. If you were acting in good faith I think you would see that value in that.

>>15013138
Fpbp, I hope you sleep well tonight anon.

>>15023218
Low IQ faggots that want their midwit rant heard are not my side. go cry about tim pool somewhere else

>>15013138
yeah that sums it up.

>>15022089
>Would that not then be body dysmorphia, as opposed from gender dysphoria?
It could involve that yes. Body dismorphia is a mental illness.
>For example, the individual would be fully 'masculine and male', and just feel wrong without a vagina
Mental illness. No different than feeling wrong without wings.
>merely desiring a vagina while remaining fully "man"?
There is nobody who does this without also crying gender dismorphia.
>. Of course, they could have no concept of man or woman without gender
Nonsense. Man or woman is merely the correct way of saying human adult male or female sex.
>The gender with which we're perceived is an actuality
meaningless weasel words
It has nothing to do with "gender" hence anybody who calls it "transgnederism" is trying to deceive you.
>Again, nothing to do with the 'word' gender
What? I always referred to the concept of gender.
>Then what "mental illness" is it?
They refuse to give it a name bc they pretend it's not a mental illness. "Transvestic fetishism" would be a good name to call it.

>>15022579
>>15022574
>too stupid to read the word "most"
>finds a cherry picked example outside of most
Commit rope

>>15022132
It's always adorable when retard activist snowflakes like you dismiss studies they don't like based on completely frivolous nonsense and feelings.
Nothing within your quote (that you pretend is greentext for some idiot reason) even remotely represents valid reasons to dismiss the study's conclusions. The other snowflake just quoted me a study with only 24 participants. It also must be invalid according to you right? Nah. Your criteria only applies when it suits your agenda.
The study I gave strongly shows the mental anguish/illness of LGBT comes from within and is a characteristic of being LGBT itself, not from society.

>>15024394
>I think gender dysphoria dosent exist
>I will change it to body dysphoria
>Okay it exists now

>>15024425
>Snowflake
>Snowflake
>Nothing you said is valid
>If that's wrong is everything I said wrong?
>Checkmate

>>15024426
>>15024434
lol

>>15024425
The study says "when accounted for discrimination no significant change was seen with LGBTQ mental health"
How exactly did they accountant for that numerically?

They also only asked for acts of discrimination in the past year. LGBTQ people have probably been discriminated since they first came out, that could go back decades.

Also mental health isn't just effected by acts of discrimination. What if their parents didn't accept them, that fucks you up mentally. Now what if they put you on the streets because of it? That really fucks you up, now they're around drugs and rape.

And I didn't read your other study but the problem I had wasn't to do with the low sample size like you indicate, it was to do with it being a low sample size compared to the heterosexual sample size, around 1/14th (470, 7,000)

All of that dosent really matter once you learn that study was posted in 2008...hmm I wonder why LGBTQ mental health was so bad in 2008. Surely nothing has changed within society in the last 14 years to do with LGBTQ acceptances.

>>15013132
fetal androgen exposure in critical periods of brain growth determine degree of masculinization INAH3, the sexually dimorphic nucleus of the hypothalamus. Male INAH3 is significantly larger than female. This area affects things like sexual behavior, mate seeking behavior, etc. More generally, the hypothalamus determines things like pheromone sensitivity.
Homosexual and transgender males usually have a smaller and less masculinized INAH3. Similarly, pre-transition dysphorics have hypothalamus activation from pheromone exposure in line with their desired sex.
This is one easy example, the INAH3 difference pretty consistently shown to be accurate. So one cause is going to be prenatal hormone conditions.
The fraternal birth order correlate with homosexuality is also quite consistent, which indicates an effect on brain development from maternal antibodies increasing with each son, and as the antibodies increase so might risk of brain effects in the fetus.
There is of course a wide distribution of androgen sensitivity among males. It's likely that very many trannies have naturally weak androgen sensitivity leading to incomplete masculinization of the brain, and other effects like weaker puberty. I've heard from people noticing patterns that many trannies are taller than average, which might for instance be due to low androgen strength delaying closure of growth plates.

>>15024394
>There is nobody who does this without also crying gender dismorphia.
Exactly. Many individuals cry gender dysphoria with absolutely no hint of body dysmorphia. They're fully content as cuntmen and dickgirls, because it never about their genitals.
>Nonsense. Man or woman is merely the correct way of saying human adult male or female sex.
There is sex, penis, vagina, those are real. Gender is entirely a product of language: to call one sex male and the other female is to gender the sexes.
>meaningless weasel words
Actuality refers to action, act. The act of perceiving someone as 'male' or 'female', i.e. the act of gendering. The cuntman doesn't care if you know he has a cunt, he just wants to be perceived as a man.
>They refuse to give it a name bc they pretend it's not a mental illness.
You haven't even begun to coherently describe what 'it' is.
>"Transvestic fetishism" would be a good name to call it.
Yet that refers to something else entirely.

>>15024479
cont.
As for your questions about chromosomes, your sex chromosomes and sry gene are important for a short period in early prenatal development, where they signal the hpg axis to either release androgens or estrogens, and signal for the development of testosterone or estrogen. Past that point, sex chromosomes are irrelevant. The body then grows based on the initial hormone exposure. This is why XY males with complete androgen insensitivity disorder end up developing indistinguishable from females, aside from the internal testes. You have genes for both full male and female physiology, and the dominant sex hormones determine which are expressed.
So when hormone therapy is used, and for instance you take a male and remove testosterone and add estrogen, new cells are created in a female hormonal environment, and these cells grow and act as if they are in a female body, with female gene expression. With enough time on hrt, the majority of cells in the body will have female gene expression, and will appear as indistinguishable from female cells in an XX female body, unless you happened to look at the chromosomes during the proper phase of mitosis.
So after a couple years of hrt, brain structure changes regardless of the initial masculinization of the brain, although some degree of prenatal brain growth is of course irreversible. But overall structure does change.
Bones don't change, because they have no real mechanism to shrink, although joints, cartilage, and connective tissue can change to give the illusion of bone changes. Some trans women report losing height, foot size, or hips changing shape and angle due to joint changes. But regardless of chromosomes, this growth is only determined by sex hormones, which determine gene expression. Trannies who never go through male puberty develop feminine skeletons.

If homosexuality is permitted, then nothing else matters. Man putting it in a male is the most disgusting act in the world. Everything that is legal after that is besides the point. In fact you should capitalize on it
>gay marriage
Literal tax benefit. Just marry a friend on paper. Suddenly no tax rate. Could also sell citizenship for big bucks. Or if you're collecting disability you get a lot more. Also widows benefits if they die.
>gender dysphoria (tranny diagnosis)
Watch insurance cover hair transplants.

Why should I care about those things at all when I can benefit from them? I don't. Wake me up when people want to ban sodomy. Now thats something I would support.

>>15024502
Based looting phase of empire.

>>15013132
multiple causes. pre-natal androgen deficiency or insensitivity (male) or overexposure (female), body dysmorphia, schizophrenia/psychosis, trying to be trendy, advanced self-harm, incel/femceldom leading them to think the grass is greener on the other side, thinking that being super gay means you have to be the opposite sex or getting peer-pressured into identifying as the opposite sex because they make other people, usually some flavor of troon, uncomfortable as is. and of course, the paraphiliacs

first one's the only valid one where no amount of therapy or medication will change them. their brains were erroneously set on one developmental path and developed an ingrained expectation of self that is out of whack with the rest of the body's development. we were on our way to confirming this for sure for years and years until the paraphiliacs et al threw a fit and gained enough power to intimidate everyone into never exploring this path again.

it's not a mental illness for all, for the .2% or so, it's a neurodevelopmental birth defect that perverts and gender anorexics simultaneously want to take advantage of and deny its existence

>>15024483

>>15013132
https://academic.oup.com/cercor/article/21/11/2525/275208
Autogynephilic women have greater density of grey matter in regions which are markers for schizophrenia

>>15024425
cringe you made that argument against OPs source in the first place.

> heres a study showing X without Y
> well most studies use Y so your X is invalid

I gave you the chance to think about a more valid explanation here(which isnt even hard) but you just showed everyone that you're a coping fucking retard.

>>15022214
They are used as a human shield by corporations that want to hide themselves from criticism. At the same time, they are a great source of self-identification as their existence outrages right-wing weirdos which then flip out and in turn allows left-wingers to feel good about themselves since they do not belong to 'that group'. Also, they are such a controversial topic that they completely dominate the public's attention span letting other controversies and corruption scandals go by unnoticed as well as causing an unbridgable divide in the working population between democrat and republican, ensuring that they will never join up with each other to rise up against their owners. All of these force vectors happened to align in the last decade to give the current state of affairs. And that's how modern ideology works. Republican/democrat, it is all part of the great good cop/bad cop show (you can choose yourself which is which, it doesn't really matter) the owner class is playing on the rest of the populace.

>>15025346
Trans people are schizophrenic, exhibit A

>>15013132
Careful not to seek scientific answers to philosophical questions (eg “are gender metaphysics real?”)
>>15013138
This is a pretty good summary of a causal explanation for the phenomenon of trans discourse (including any speech that takes for granted the assumption that it’s in principle possible to change something like sex by an act of will), see also Blanchard’s typology

>>15021094
>gender is a social construct
It's a mental construct. There is no operational definition -- nothing underpinning it but a subjective self-statement.

>>15022089
>Of course, they could have no concept of man or woman without gender.
What about stallion-mare, steer-cow, etc.? No mental constructs on the part of the horses or cattle are necessary to makes such distinctions. It's an essential thing -- a matter of ontology.

>>15024480
>to call one sex male and the other female is to gender the sexes
No it's not. "Gender" as a verb is purely political propaganda and piss-poor prose. For natural gender (as opposed to grammatical), it's called marking nouns with the gender that corresponds to the sex of the referents.

>>15025570
Fine question. Without going into it too deeply, I would argue that gender permeates both the contingent, ontical reality of Being, and that the tendency to categorize into types is an ontological foundation of Being. It is not essential to Being that any particular gender norms be as they are, but it is necessary to Being that gender norms of some type do arise. I would also argue that the norms only arise when transgression is possible, as a necessary condition for norms to arise at all.
>>15025586
>It's called marking nouns with the gender that corresponds to the sex of the referents.
Yes, 'natural gender' is merely in correspondence to sex, but I don't quite understand how that isn't still literally (and grammatically) gendering.

>>15024483
>So after a couple years of hrt, brain structure changes regardless of the initial masculinization of the brain
So does that mean giving males with body dysphoria testosterone they would over time develop a more masculine brain and over come thier issue? A potential therapy for kids/teens with dysphoria would be giving them extra hormones to increase thier puberty since it's much weaker.

>>15025556
>There is no operational definition -- nothing underpinning it but a subjective self-statement.
see
>>15018440
>>15018442

>>15024470
>How exactly did they accountant for that numerically?
maybe try reading it to find out? I'm not going to spoon feed you.
>They also only asked for acts of discrimination in the past year. LGBTQ people have probably been discriminated since they first came out, that could go back decades.
Grasping at straws. If discrimination doesn't correlate to poor mental health within the past year you have no reason to invent the idea it will correlate if we look further back.
>Also mental health isn't just effected by acts of discrimination. What if their parents didn't accept them
ROFL when your parents treat you differently than your siblings it's called "discrimination"
>it was to do with it being a low sample size compared to the heterosexual sample size, around 1/14th (470, 7,000)
Are you high? How in the hell does it suddenly become legit if they reject 6530 normal people from the 7k so its then comparing 470 to 470? The disparity in sample size is absolutely irrelevant. Many studies have this disparity because fucking duh LGBT is a tiny fraction of the population.
>All of that dosent really matter once you learn that study was posted in 2008...hmm I wonder why LGBTQ mental health was so bad in 2008. Surely nothing has changed within society in the last 14 years to do with LGBTQ acceptances.
Mind boggling, simply mind boggling you can come up with this nonsense. All persons were affected by 2008 economic conditions so it's comparing apples to apples and "more acceptance" has nothing to do with what they tested because they only compared people who DID face discrimination. The only thing that would change is the 470 would decrease. Their excess ratio of LGBT induced mental illnesses would remain.

You are insanely desperate to find something wrong with this study and you failed miserably. It's blindingly obvious that you are an activist and not a person who understands academic papers.

>>15025653
YOU. JUST. KNOW.

>>15024480
>Exactly. Many individuals cry gender dysphoria with absolutely no hint of body dysmorphia
WTF are you talking about that isn't what I said at all.
>They're fully content as cuntmen and dickgirls, because it never about their genitals
??? And they always cry gender disphoria. Can you not read?
>Gender is entirely a product of language:
Ridiculous lie. Gender = sex until modern times when snowflake activists decided words mean new things. It's a product of biology.
>to call one sex male and the other female is to gender the sexes
I don't even know how to unpack this word salad. It's definitely true your gender is your sex though, if that is what you are implying. A person with an extra X isn't a 3rd gender called "they"... but morons believe it makes sense to call themselves "they" just because they feel like it.
>You haven't even begun to coherently describe what 'it' is.
HAHAHAHA!!! Total nonsense and utter lie. I blatantly said:
>It's about tricking others into thinking you are a different sex, or sometimes multiple people (ie the idiots who refer to themselves as "they"). No different than tricking others into thinking you are a dragon or cat. It's a mental illness
>Yet that refers to something else entirely.
It's all the same mental illness. Transvestic fetishism = transgender = gender disphoria = cross dressing as far as reason and logic goes. Snowflakes pretend they are different things. They aren't.

>>15025301
I genuinely can't follow your schizo babble.
I can follow everyone else's, but not yours.
I don't even know if you replied to the wrong person, that's how schizo your mental vomit is....
Take meds