/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15017534
Glass the Earth, demigod war eventually

aeiou

33 engine tomorrow?

>>15017534
Roggets would look cool with sponsor logos. Like racecars

>>15017534
A succulent chinese launch?!

>>15017542
20 second test with full LOX tanks

>>15017549
RIP the concrete

>>15017550
Reusable concrete is a meme

>>15017534
>chinese space station will temporarily have 6 people onboard for a week
Imagine the smell

>>15017540
No, "for man" and "for mankind" mean the same thing, so the quote doesn't make sense without the a

>>15017564
third one looks kinda european

>>15017566
mr bin

>>15017555
like my local chinese buffet?

>>15017444
It feels so weird. It was as if it was never going to launch, and then it was all gone after just a few minutes. That was one of the few big things I was expecting for this year. Idk what to look forward now beyond SS orbital test, as most interesting missions are going to launch on 2024 or beyond AFAIK.

>>15017591
Psyche if it ever gets ready for the rocket.

I still don't understand why they didn't include the life support or abort fuel for Artemis 1. Isn't the point to test everything before you risk people's lives?

>>15017612
ESM wasn't ready with the life support.

>>15017613
What were they doing?

>>15017591
SS orbital test is more important than an obsolete old-space expenda-rocket.

>>15017566
Hong Konger no doubt.

>>15017591
>It feels so weird.
>It was as if it was never going to launch,
>and then it was all gone after just a few minutes
That's what she said

>>15017618
Yeah but I don't think SS will happen this year now.

>>15017619
He's from Hanshou, central china
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2022-11-28/China-unveils-Shenzhou-15-crew-for-space-station-mission-1fjWkU0UKVW/index.html

>>15017566
>>15017619
>>15017564
After an extensive 5 minutes of googling I can assert with confidence that he is Tujia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tujia_people

>>15017626
Isn't that where a kingdom of Indo-Europeans once dwelled?

>>15017626
>>15017628
So... he's a Tocharian?

>>15017634
>>15017633
wtf
obscure ethnography hivemind

>>15017635
Autism is my superpower.

>>15017640

>SpaceX lunar probe launch at 3:39 AM
rip I really wanted to see this one

>>15017645
Looking at this made me realize for the first time that the OG Godzilla design is pretty much just a shorter-snouted, slightly simplified gator head

>>15017675
Kino

>>15017697

>>15017675
>>15017697
>>15017698
I guess Starship-like craft is the future, but damn this style will always look good.

>>15017700
Agreed.

>>15017612
why not test life support for the first time on live people?

>>15017700
To me it looks bad because it's so intrinsically expendable. I mean just looking at it makes me think of government pork and one-shot missions leading nowhere.

Why not dig a flame channel underneath the booster and cover it when working under it.

>>15017719
Counterpoint: it looks cool
Jk but NASA just assumed that one day someone would find a way to make all this reusable

>>15017723
Turns out that NASA itself was expendable.

>>15017722
or just get rid of rhe concrete so you dont blow chunks. just fire direct into the ground, or dig a pit/well it will fill up with sea water

>>15017719
I get for rockets and human or cargo transport, but it's fine for long duration space stations and deep space probes where reusability makes no sense.

There were actually studies completed to see how nuclear thermal propulsion could enable lunar base building and whatnot.
The “gold foil” design is actually called “Borowski.” It’s named after some engineer. So if you want more designs with this aesthetic, google “Borowski Mars NTR” or something.

>>15017729
True I guess. For me i prefer the vibe of standard mass-produced ships used for everything, even if you could do better with a custom made oldspace style ship.
Because using standard ships means that you have a real space economy going on, rather than doing everything bespoke.

>>15017700
Most kino interplanetary exploration design

>>15017675

>>15017747
>This document contains no ITAR or EAR controlled technical information
BORING

>>15017747
>by 2045 we'd be on our THIRD total crewed mission to mars
I'd have blown my brains out if SeX didn't exist

>>15017805
Space is Hard.

>>15017805
Let’s be honest, we’ll all be happy if we get a manned mars mission in the 2030s

>>15017822
>>15017805
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4qWDZh8bhg

>>15017833
Car science is Unironically harder than rocket science

>>15017833
No robo taxi, but self driving car is already here. A third of million (Tesla) people drive them everyday now.

>>15017857
>No robo taxi, but self driving car is already here
is this a joke

>>15017874
Sort of like how you can go to space with your own money without being paid by NASA to be a professional astronaut.

>>15017643
Oh, Mr. Rotmwrt, help me! I'm afraid of recreating the longhouse, what is the most virtous method of deep space travel?

>>15017874
Are you living in a cave?

>>15017892
yes, but regardless, if robotaxis aren't possible, doesn't that show that self driving is not real?

>>15017948
No, it means the business case hasn't been made yet. For personal use case, self driving is finally here now. For business case, the liability factor needs to be solved either by geofencing the cars to certain safe zones where hard issues are avoided or by achieving a real self driving ai that can drive anywhere. Tesla's going for the "self driving anywhere" with personal use first and business later (harder). Other companies are going for geofencing/safe zone only self driving where problems are much more controlled and "unknown unknowns" are sealed off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU_ViOdPgXQ

>>15017970
>For personal use case, self driving is finally here now.
Stopped reading there. How about you stop saying things that aren't true.

>>15017997
>proof is posted
>NOOO ITS NOT TRUE

We are ready

Aerospatiale’s Hermes proposal

>>15018022
Look at that subtle off white coloring.
The tasteful thickness of it.
Oh my God... it even has a worm logo

>>15017534
Heinz ketchup and a dollar wine

>>15017534
thumbnail sucks

>>15018032
60s/70s CNES logo is my favourite

>>15018022
NASA worm upside down looks like VSVN
CNES worm upside down looks like something in Sanscrit

>>15018060
kek true

>>15017837
high volume manufacturing is the hardest science known to man, according to an anonymous African American trillionaire

Watch your fingers!
https://twitter.com/lm__steve/status/1597223555837874176

>>15018014
tell me they will have a more extensive deluge system for the launch

>>15018077
Another anon pointed out how this is mainly for the sake of the concrete, not necessarily a full blown deluge system

>>15018078
if there was more water it would protect the concrete more

>>15018073
Yikes that's a workplace hazard

>>15018073
I guess it’s better to have an impossible-to-close door than an impossible-to-open one

>>15018073
I wonder if the LM door was anywhere as difficult to close

>>15018073
this could've been as simple as a steel plate and a rubber gasket but they had to make it complicated

>>15017970
The most extraordinary thing about waymo is that google didnt can it 10 years ago. now theyre tens of billions in debt with a handful of (goofy ass) cars on the road. i've never met anyone who's ridden in one. and to think it only took 3 years to kill stadia.

>>15017997
If self driving wasn't here now then Elon Would look bad. Therefore it is here.

>>15018100
Well shit this lead me down an autistic rabbit hole trying to find out more about the LM door. I know a lot about it but I wanted to find stock footage of it being tested (couldn’t find anything… yet)
I did, however, stumble upon one of these “prove the deboonkers wrong” videos and while I usually don’t give a shit this guy did a cool build of a lidar scanner and 3D mapped LM-9’s door and Gene Cernan’s apollo 17 suit
https://youtu.be/0hYIJbfS80Q

>>15018120
Giving up means Tesla chad Won.

>Tesla spends few billions of dollars, paid for by people buying their software/cars
>gets a self driving car on highway within 3 years (2013 concepts -> 2016 autopilot on highway cars)
>talks about FSD (in city) in 2016 -> small beta test drivers team starts out in 2020 -> full release to all of their US customers in 2022
>has half a million people in the US driving in cities now
>has 3+ million cars with autopilot on highways now

Meanwhile Waymo has handful of cars that costs $200K+ with handful of "testers". Every other self driving companies chasing Waymo has gone nowhere over the last 10 years

Its crazy.

>>15018147
>gets a self driving car on highway within 3 years (2013 concepts -> 2016 autopilot on highway cars)
>talks about FSD (in city) in 2016 -> small beta test drivers team starts out in 2020 -> full release to all of their US customers in 2022
delusional

>>15018156
>d-delusional

>>15018147
>>gets a self driving car
If I can't sleep off a bender in the back seat while the car takes me home with every problem stemming from any accidents all laid at the manufacturer's feet - and wallet, it's not a self driving car.

>>15018162
goalpost = moved ;)

>>15018162
Works 90% of the way, so its reducing 90% of the chore already.

"perfect" system is a matter of iteration.

Its like claiming SpaceX doesn't have a reusable vehicle because Starship isn't flying every hour on the hour.

if elon musk doesnt land me on Mars with a full habitat and chocolate candies and one of those dildo fuck machines, then he didnt land me on Mars

>>15018168
Is this the furthest a vehicle intended to carry humans has traveled from the Earth?

>>15018167
Astronauts probably always have some sort of chocolate drink or pudding mix on them. And as an astronaut you'll be catheterized so you can just sound your urethra instead haha

>>15018163
wrong

there is FSD™ by Tesla and then there's actual fully self-driving cars

>>15018169
it did that a couple days ago

>>15018164
Spacex doesnt have a reusable vehicle. refurbishable maybe,if im feeling generous

>>15018169
Yes. NRHO is also farther from Earth than the moon is due to technically orbiting lunar L2.

>>15018179
This. They change like half the engines every flight

starship could probably just carry up whole chicken dinners or whatever and have a chocolate cake for dessert too

>>15018180
orion never went into nrho

>>15018177
There's no "actual fully self-driving cars". There's only Tesla FSD and Waymo/other's "very limited geofenced/nda signing/cant record/used by handful of people/only in perfect weather/with handful of cars/in a small section of 1-2 cities/with no way to scale"

>>15018169
The Tesla Roadster might be further out right now.

>>15018190
>There's no "actual fully self-driving cars"
that's right, so please stop referring to Tesla FSD™ as such

>>15018178
>>15018180
Neat, it's cool to see the Earth and Moon together like that.
>>15018191
kek technically correct

>>15018194
FSD is a fully self driving car. Regardless of whether or not you like it.

how are the wooden satellites getting along

>>15018197
So it is NHTSA Cat 5 and they confirm it?

Biden administration has confirmed: Elon Musk cannot land people on Mars

>>15018199
they use wood for ablative shields, no?
Anyways I hope we get something like this someday

>>>/o/

Mars landing technology doesn't exist

If Earth had an asteroid belt instead of the Moon, say 10^18 kilograms total, when and how much of an impact would asteroid mining have? And what would the process look like?

>>15018208
Don't
stop
me
now

>

>>15018204
NHTSA has levels of vehicle automation, not self driving. You're confusing full automation with self driving.

>>15018169
NASA keeps saying yes but I feel like that’s not true considering the fact that Snoopy is in heliocentric orbit

>>>/o/26118009

>>15018210
An asteroid belt would not be stable in geological scale around earth.

>>15017550
Stainless sleeves around the pillars when?

>>15017585
more like the day after

>>15018212
we don't have the life support systems needed. That's a robot

>>15018180
>NRHO is also farther from Earth than the moon is due to technically orbiting lunar L2
false, see picrel

>>15018187
It will on Artemis 3 to dock with Gateway.

>>15018222
I can hold my breath a really long time, put me in coach I'm ready

>>15018095
Yeah, that door was developed with the lessons of Apollo 1. It doesn't really matter how hard it is to close, you're not going to be closing it under any kind of duress.

>>15018101
When a door is responsible for the death of three of your astronauts, it's going to be replaced with the premier in 60's door technology, regardless of how anyone feels about it. It's quite the door though. Fifteen latches all run by a crank system, the viewing window, and the cabin pressure vent. Either way, the heat shield is not a "simple steel plate".

>>15018222
They can be made as the technology exists. My main concern would be the pre-human set up for Mars. Ideally there would be propellant being made on the surface, and possible some form of trenching so that they don't get significant doses of radiation. That would require many trips beforehand, whereas sacrificing the health of the people BUT having a successful manned mission may garner more support.

>>15018163
>>15018164
If I can't treat it like a chauffeured vehicle, it's NOT self driving.

>>15017700
>I guess Starship-like craft is the future
>le meme bullet rocket by le billionaire genius

Sure it is.

One of the early 2000s Ariane 2010 concept
EAP on S1, a smaller EAP as S2, I think a Vinci powered third stage; Single launch only, 5.5-6 tons to GTO


How to please the French Solid industry

>>15018249
>if its not what I think of, then no one else has the right to say its what it is

>>15018077
They will, in Florida.

>>15018164
>Works 90% of the way
Then it's a "Self Driving℠" car not a self-driving car.

>>15018230
Yeah. Under normal circumstances you want a pressure vessel door to open inward (like the LM) because when pressurized it will hold the door closed in the event the latch fails. In the case of the CM though they wanted it to open outward for pad safety reasons. Hence the fucking huge door that needed a comically industrial locking mechanism
At least this is my interpretation of it. Did the LES shroud cover the door once it was ready for takeoff?

>>15018268
Its a self driving car. You just think its not because you believe in a delusional version of a "self driving car" that doesn't exist. Just because a perfect circle doesnt exist, doesnt mean circles dont exist.

>>15018164
>Works 90% of the way, so its reducing 90% of the chore already.

That's called "dynamic cruise control", not "self-driving. Anyway, here's an airliner that flew 95% of the way to its destination.

>>15018278
You're being pretty dishonest my nigger dude

>>15018278
Cruise controls are very limited self driving. You can turn on a cruise control and it will drive itself.
There's traffic aware cruise control, which is aware of traffic around it and adjusts the speeds along with it.
There's automatic lane changing thats traffic aware.
Combine them and you get a self driving system on highway.

Also airplanes have autopilot which help planes keep altitude.

>everyone talking about sls
>nobody talking about starship testing going on literally right now
its over for spacex

>>15018291
There's nothing going on with SLS/Orion and Starship is doing another smaller test, probably wont even be a static fire

>>15018291
I’m not even trying to shitpost or troll or anything, and I hate SLS, but: Orion is currently halfway through a successful mission gathering data and sending back some of the furthest moonshots a capsule has ever taken, and Starship is fucking around on the pad doing the same thing it’s been doing for the last 3 years with coverage provided by the mouth breathers over at NSF. No shit SLS is getting more attention

>>15018278
I've been avoiding responding to this shitfest but you are being an actual retard. Please stop posting

>>15018291
I need someone to formally explain this Reusable Attention Span meme. I cannot comprehend it

>>15018295
SN5 flew in 2020, 2 years ago. SN15 1 year ago. 3 years ago, they had Mk1.
In 3 years, they went from Mk1 -> Ship24/Booster 7 being in final stages nearing
orbital flight.

4 years ago, Starship was a concept idea.

Lets not be disengenous.

>>15018305
and still they're jerking off on the pad like they were years ago being narrated by basedboy tankwatchers who obviously hate each other, while Orion is in deep space

>>15018308
Orion was supposed to be in deep space 5 years ago. Just saying.

>>15018314
Starship was supposed to be in orbit 2 years ago, just saying

>>15018314
And yet pictures of a crew capsule in deep space are cooler than pictures of a rocket on the pad.

>>15018315
Welcome to spaceflight. Everything is late.

>>15018305
Well okay I exaggerated and yeah no one denies the push from BFR/ITS designs to a flight with a landing was fast as hell. But it’s been doing a whole lot of nothing as of late (unless you’re a niche turbo autist who cares about spin prime test number 3884828493847)
Normies with slightly-above average knowledge of space like SLS so they’re busy watching that right now

>>15018315
So SpaceX is three years ahead.

>>15018317
We were all supposed to be on Mars by now.

>>15018323
>whole lot of nothing
Testing various stages of the vehicle so they can get FAA license

Its all because of FAA license requires vigorous testing from SpaceX.

>>15018210
That's called a ring.
>>15018252
Have fun giving your money to Boeing for the sake of an unsustainable project.

The font made me think that said Wanking In Space

>>15018317
doesnt help that you have to wait on the government to approve everything

>>15018351
The best part is no part, remove the government.

Kek, Rogozin

>>15018249
Actually it's full self driving, because that's what it is

There is no testing today. Anon lied to me

https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2022/11/28/business/tech/Korea-Space-space-agency/20221128185220930.html

>>15018389
>The missions will be uncrewed and one way,
Robot landers lol.

>>15018291
literally more excited for a partial static fire than Orion

a literal plastic bottle can hold 7 bar.

>>15018381
They have just cleared the pad

>15018205
Jeff Who can't even get people to orbit.

>>15018414
no nsf commentary=no test

>>15017723
>>15017714
>>15017698
>>15017697
>>15017675
based love this pure function over form aesthetic, very ship-like in its pure utilitarian function over form design, hope we will get it eventually, just imagine the massive modules Starship can send up to orbit, we'll be assembling NTP Interplanetary spacecraft in LEO in no time

>>15018432
Don't get me wrong Starship is cool but this one is cool too, lets have numerous spacecraft of both types out there in the system already godamnit progress is so fucking slow

>>15018330
possibly also people at NASA don't want them to do so much destructive testing after winning HLS, so now they need to have a good chance of a successful launch instead of a hail mary (not that they've had problems with the prototypes taking off, just with landing, and never mind that the next launch is going to be a double splash)

>>15018348
he spelled mannequin wrong too

>>15018445
Various senators called on FCC publicly to stop SpaceX's testing. Privately lots more were done as well.

>>15018445
>>15018330
source: my ass

>>15018447
FAA for Starship.
FCC for Starlink.

SpaceX needs to give me a horse before I even think about approving the Starship launch license. I work at the SEC.

>>15018437
Starship is laser-focused on transferring shit from Earth to LEO to Mars and back. That leaves much of the system free for electric propulsion or NTP spacecraft.

>>15018447
It's true. I even tried bribing an FAA official to investigate SpaceX but my offer was rejected

NHTSA is investigating SpaceX for their guidance navigation and control being misleading.
>"it isnt full self flying, they have like six employees at mission control and the astronauts can take over at any time"

>>15018460
Don't embarrass yourself further.

>FAA nonsense
SpaceX isn't ready to launch. Simple as

>>15018472
lighten up Biden bro

>Here /sfg/ you dropped this

>>15018474
the only nonsense here is you. Starship would have launched in 2020 if not for overregulation
>>15018477
fuck you

>>15018477
Kek

>>15018480
>Starship would have launched in 2020 if not for overregulation
Is FAA at fault that raptors are destroying everything around them? Starship is not ready.

>>15018485
>Is FAA at fault that raptors are destroying everything around them?
They let the SLS go, how much launchpad structure did that take out?

>>15018485
You keep repeating this bullshit like it's nothing. Raptors didn't destroy anything, the test went well. Good job repeating doomer bullshit, it's really clever

>>15018485
You're suddenly concerned about surrounding and not about the actual flight?

LMAO

>>15018474
not ready to launch now that they've been forced into priorities and a way of doings things that are antithetical to spacex's entire ethos

if it takes this long to launch one rocket, imagine how long it will take to launch two

>>15018509
SLS is 1 rocket every 2 years
Starship is 1 rocket every day per launch pad

>>15018509
2024. Artemis II’s Orion reuses compensa from Artemis I

>>15018509
well if we don't achieve a launch cadence of 1 SS/week SpaceX is pretty much going bankrupt

>>15018529
hls demo is in 2024

>>15018522
Starship will certainly be 1 rocket per launch pad lmao

>>15018540
rapid iteration on launch pads

I need hard sci-fi recommendations. Had anyone read anything from Ben Bova? I'm specifically looking at his Grand Tour series.

>>15018544
Go to /sffg/ on /lit/

>>15018544
I'll read whatever scifi is about that pic

>>15018532
Dont worry, its Elon Musk's company. If it fails, its his fault and his loss only. Rest of the industry will carry on as if SpaceX didnt exist.

so stoked about today's static

Why the fuck is there so much time between Artemis launches?

Just build another rocket and launch it ya dickheads, you already have the design it shouldn't take more than a few months to build, why wait until fucking 2025

>>15018561
Is anywhere making book on how much destruction happens?

>>15018565
Massive shortage of river rock.

>>15018509
That depends on how far away it gets before something goes wrong.

Elon just declared war on Apple. How will this affect Starship development?

So did they scrub the overpressure activity?

>>15018566
Re-raking efforts for the crawlerway will be completed NET May '23, pending delay

>>15018565
They sacrificed time on Artemis 2 so they could speed up Artemis 1. This was already known.

>>15018585
Nothing. Its entirely independent on Apple. Maybe Starlink payment services will be removed, but thats about it

>>15018568
bruh there's rivers everywhere just go grab some

>>15018591
what is there to even plan still? just stick some people in there and blast away

>>15018599
NO
They HAVE to be from ALABAMA, this is the LAW!

>>15018547
word of warning, /sffg/ will immediately be able to sniff you out as a newfag, they will ask what books you have read, and will proceed to tell you to kys

>>15018630
Far left, second from far right, and Falcon 9 can all squeeze me with their thighs

Starbase looks like a censored hentai scene right now

>>15018630
For some reason in this picture they all look like dwarfs.

>>15018644
F9 is bigger than it looks. Probably because it's a simple smooth rocket.

>>15018619
Yeah that's partly why I wanted to ask here. I actually have a pretty big library. I'm specifically looking for a hard sci-fi series that deals with realistic or at least plausible spaceflight.

>>15018650
TPB has a torrent of audiobooks, 100 sci-fi novels spanning the 20th century. It's in two parts, you can probably find ebooks instead if that's more to your liking. I grabbed the collection to pick and choose from at my leisure a couple years ago, it's been nice when I'm looking for something new.

>>15018522
>SLS is 1 rocket every 2 years
We'll be lucky if it's 1 rocket per decade.

>>15018648
Rockets in general are much bigger than you naturally intuit, especially if you haven't seen many in person.

>>15018664
just like my gaming room

>>15018664
>karamelldansen plays as this thing orbits the Moon
lunar shitposting

>>15018664
Is that gaming Orion? Can I have regular one?

>>15018644
The wide clothes make them look shorter.

soon

Think the Chinese space station can be controlled remotely? Think it could be done in a way to prevent the occupants from regaining control? Is there enough propellant to make it spin and then deorbit?

>>15018659
Why the fuck is Rogozin Larping as a soldier?

There and back again

>>15018681
>>15018659
For the love of fucking God please leave the Ukraine talk out of /sfg/. It's bad enough that all Zubrin does now is shitpost about the fucking war. We don't need that here.

>>15018667
I want a dark red mode for nuclear sub vibes

>>15018678
They already use boundary layer plasma for efficiency on the B2.

>>15018684
I’ll shut up but Russia’s performance in the war is 100% expected if you know anything about modern Russian spaceflight

>>15018664
brought to you by Razer

>>15018664
NIGA really looks like the set of a contrapoints video. I guess it fits with their tranny obsession.

I’m doing some alt history stuff right now/
Assume SpaceX never existed or failed early. Also assume that SLS is the current program. But, Jim Bridenstine is in charge (it’s late 2010’s).
Do you think NASA would make a “commercial cargo” esque contract for a heavy lift vehicle? Not SLS-sized but something the size of Falcon Heavy? The issue is that SLS flies once per year, and that’s horribly unsustainable if NASA wants to go to Mars.
ULA has drawn up plans for 30-100 ton to LEO evolutions of Atlas V for instance

>>15018686
dark red lighting preserves night vision which is why its used in military aircraft

>>15018703
Until SeX took off, NASA was hopelessly dependent on the Soyuz with seemingly no effort to do any better.

>>15018703

>>15018684
>bro just stop talking about the biggest news of the year that affects everything

>>15018711
So /sfg/ should be a vaccine deaths thread?

>>15018702
>Sees space hardware
>Instantly thinks of tranny jewtuber
>Calls others obsessed

>>15018706
Things would change after 2014 anyway, but yeah, America would have a 6 years delay *minimum* to getting back to space

>valve stuck
this thing is never going space

>>15018715
Yes. They are obsessed.

>>15018713
Yeah, why not.
What would be the vaccine policy on Mars?

>>15018716
If the DoD was reliant on Russian rockets to do everything there would be no hot war with Russia. They wouldn't have destabilized Ukraine in the first place.

>>15018725
Who wouldn’t have destabilized ukraine?

>>15018718
>still talking out your ass

>>15018713
if it's relevant to space travel yes

>>15018725
Crimea and Donbas were long time coming, more so the former.
The 2022 invasion is more butterfly proof tho.

>>15018725
Crimea was in 2014 though

>>15018711
I never said that you disingenuous dickhead. Just talk about it in a relevant channel unless it's something that explicitly deals with spaceflight.

>>15018735
stfu russoid nigger

Does Russia still launch things before cheaper than SpaceX?

>>15018725
DoD would never rely on Russian rockets; they'd make do with Delta Heavy or develop their own platform. Also I know you're baiting but please shut up about Ukraine

>>15018739
Not anymore lol

OLM venting

Elon venting

>>15018739
why did you make a thread on /k/?

>>15018739
Russia had something cheaper on paper, but with its high failure rate, the statistical cost makes it more expensive along with insurance, along with geopolitical instability, etc.

>>15018744

>>15018753
The value of russian money is $0 if you take it outside Russia.

> Launch of a Soyuz-2.1b rocket with a military satellite on board from the Plesetsk Cosmodrome

>>15018753
How many commercial launches has Russia had this year?

>>15018423
There it is
https://youtu.be/b1QnMzWa7QE

>>15018764
Zillions
> Iran will start joint production of satellites with Russia. This was announced by the Minister of Communications and Information Technology of Iran Isa Zarepour.

Earlier, the Iranian authorities reported that the satellite, named after the Iranian astronomer, mathematician and poet Omar Khayyam, was launched the day before from the Baikonur cosmodrome in Kazakhstan by a Russian Soyuz 2.1b satellite launch vehicle.

Isa Zarepour clarified that the satellite was made by Russia on the order of Iran. Now Tehran plans to create a joint production line with Russia for the second, third and fourth versions of this satellite.

The head of ISA added that the cost of Khayyam is $ 40 million, and it will be operated for 5 years.

At the same time, the West fears that Moscow will try to use Khayyam to spy on Ukraine (they act as if Russia doesnt have its own satellites) and Tehran will try to spy on Israel and other countries in the Middle East.

>>15018704
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwZiyVIlmaw
>watching commentary
>not watching the cryogenic fluid

Tada!

>>15018765
no fucking way...

IT'S HAPPENING BROS, EVERYBODY GET IN THERE

Orion out of the alignment .
Max distance achieved : 430.000 km (new record)

So cool

>>15018249
>Chauffeured vehicle
DUIs won't exist no more. But you'll have plenty of men trying to ask the car to bring them to their exes' places.

>>15018768
How many has Europe + America had?

>>15018782
Zero. They are plutocracies and as such commercial organizations are de facto government entities.

>>15018630
Women shouldn't be in uniform

>>15018739
>>15018753
>>15018768
>>15018787
Good morning sirs!

>>15018630
so many pussies in this picture I would kill to dine upon. good god i'm hungry

>>15018774
Gateway wont get these kino views just the half Moon with the Earth off to one side. Unless Orion is junked and Gateway is put in an L2 halo inshallah

>>15018794
put it in Halo 2

>>15018794
eeh NRHO does get you a nice view of the north pole from 2000km away every perilune

>flies off into heliocentric orbit, gatekeeping the actual record from Orion

>>15018798
that's halo 1 you pleb

>>15018811
derelicts don't count friendo

What is the Titanic of spacecraft?

>>15018813
yeah, i asked you to put it in halo 2

Real question. NRHO extends almost 30.000km to the "south" of the moon. (pic related)

¿Is there any real chance that with a very powerful telescope to see the Gateway when its on the apoapsis (at least as a point of light)?

>>15018816
Orion has no crew and Snoopy is equally as human rated AND had astronauts fly it around for a bit in space

>>15018816
I am going to rendezvous with it and enter the docking port just to prove you wrong

>>15018820
even if you could, what difference at this point does it make?

>>15018811
Don't worry Orionsisters we still hold the record for man-rated spacecraft capable of communicating with Earth.

>>15018820
apolune is 75,000 km see
>>15018224
but yeah I think it might be visible as a point in good telescopes

>>15018820
>>15018831
You got me interested, will we be able to see Starship while it's in:
a) LEO
b) Lunar Orbit

What i should study after the bachelors to be involved with Moon - Earth , and maybe in the future , Mars - Earth comms (in europe , so ESA) ? I love RF, Networking, etc. I want to be the "Comms? check" guys

>>15018834
I bet starship in leo would be half as bright as the iss, at least the shiny side, so yes to the first, the second will depend on the quality of and skill with a telescope.

>>15018619
I haven't read a single book, what are you going to do about it (only read half of Ignition!, then got bored lmao)

>cryo triangle
hmmm

>>15018836
if you can do ham radio stuff that would probably help, you could probably cobble together a starter setup for a few hundred smackeroos

>>15018544
Michael Flynn's Firestar series is good. It actually anticipated modern spaceflight, as one of the protagonists who jumpstarts space flight is an Elon Musk-like billionaire who wants to make reusable orbiters and is harassed by governments in response.

What the fuck are we waiting for??????

>>15018852
If you look up "iss from the ground", you'll get images where ISS is clearly visible, not just bright spot in the sky. So when you know where to look, finding and capturing Starship shouldn't be difficult.
About the second case, telescopes from this list should be enough, right?

>"As a result, when the House considered and debated the NASA Authorization Act (HR 2200) on June 23rd, there was still no clear definition of the actual design. During the debate on June 23rd, Representatibe Tim Roemer (D-IN) offered an amendment to terminate the space station, which was defeated by a vote of 215-216"

>"But a last-minute Administration lobbying blitz, including letters to lawmakers from President Clinton and a visit to the House floor today by Vice President Al Gore, saved the program from probable defeat. Move to Kill Project
>An amendment to the space-agency authorization bill that was intended to kill the program was defeated 216 to 215, with 104 Democrats joining 112 Republicans in support of the project. Voting against the project were 153 Democrats, 61 Republicans and one independent."
https://www.nytimes.com/1993/06/24/us/house-retains-space-station-in-a-close-vote.html
https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/1993263?Page=36
https://www.congress.gov/bill/103rd-congress/house-bill/2200

Alpha,and likely ISS since that was before the talks to merge it with Mir 2 was one fucking vote away from being terminated in June 1993

idk how to react

>>15018874
>idk how to react
I would post an angry Ryan Gosling.

>>15018060
SaUD

>>15018820
You're going to pay for the space wall.

this is fucking scary

BTW , the launch has been posponed to April. February is no longer a valid date

it's going to launch at 4:20 oh my god

>>15018871
gorillion gallons of oxygen

>>15018885
no siren
no fire

>>15018888
nsf says that's not true, it cant be

>Starship experiencing hydrogen leak
Send in team negro

BlueWalker joins the big boy club

>>15018888
window open for 4 more hours. your post WILL NOT age well

>>15018897
Some small number of very bright objects is inevitable if progress continues.

>No full static fire before 2023
>No launch before 2024
At a certain point this does become tiresome

>>15018820
Yes it will be visible and you wont need a big telescope
https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/50302/will-the-lunar-gateway-be-visible-for-ground-based-amateur-telescopes
>This is a bit like looking for Uranus (about +5.5 mag) in that you'll need a chart

>>15018903

>>15018897
they should launch a big white blanket for the sole purpose of being as bright as possible

>>15018907
Biden is not spaceflight.

>>15018907
>>15018909
take your meds

>>15018908
>ywn see SPS in GEO making astroonomers seethe with their brightness

>detanking

>>15018912
>GEO orbit
>satellite in picrel is clearly moving

hot take: if earth was even 20% larger solid/hypergolic chemical ICBMs wouldn't have been viable, forcing every militaries to develop Nuclear Thermal powered ICBMs, which would have resulted in a vastly more advanced space sector
small super earths are therefore more likely to host spacefaring civilisations than earthlike planets

>>15018920
No, that's over a score of them positioned on an arc

>>15018909
Trump lost

>>15018926
ICBM's would've been replaced by cruise missile fired from submarines or other platforms close to the enemy. Space travel would've never taken off.

Recycle

>>15018926
>forcing every militaries to develop Nuclear Thermal powered ICBMs

Efficiency doesn't matter at liftoff . They wouldnt be able to develop high enough thrust to power an ICBM . If eath was 20% bigger , solid rocket at first stage and then hypergolic would be the smart choice
>still easily storable
>high TWR

NTP engine:
>low TWR
>very heavy
>not as easily storable
>if it blows up at launch you have falling radioactive material at you base

OLM venting

>>15018768
>>15018762
>>15018772
Sad

Mars sucks , we should focus on getting to Titan.

>>15018938
no we need to focus on static fire

>>15018938
We should focus on planting an American flag on every celestial body in the galaxy.

>>15018938
Cant get to Titan without a huge sacrifice. It takes ~7+ years to get there.

>>15018938
Not a huge man of mars either, but starship will be very versatile.

>>15018955
*fan ffs

>>15018565
It literally takes them over a year to build a new rocket, not counting delays. And that was only Block 1.
Remember, cost-plus pays you more if you're slow!

>>15018948
Yeah but only 2 years with [insert meme nuclear drive] which could be flying within the decade.

>>15018938
I'm still amazed Huygens was a real thing.
It shouldn't have been , it was genuinely too good for our world.

>>15018938
Titan is a metalless shithole

>>15018928
*was cheated out
Oops, just noticed I made a mistake on my post, my apologies to everyone. Anyways, this isn't spaceflight related and I will cease from discussing this further.

>>15018961
Imagine the fireball if terraforming Titan went wrong.

>>15018965
that’s not how it works + popsci

>>15018969
mogged hard

>>15018958
government + blue origin + oldspace-developed nuclear shitbox that gets worse ISP than chemical (somehow) and gets exponentially worse delta v per kg per $ than any other option and it'll be ready by 2080. sign me up daddy

>>15018961
You left out the part where he can fly by flapping his wings.

Also, Titan is the solar system's best candidate for extraterrestrial life and that alone should make it NASA's number one target for exploration.

>>15018964
you like sucking on orange cock dont you

>>15018969
Jeff’s new landing platform

>>15018976
Lolol I forgot about this

Please tell me someone is going to stream this

https://spacenews.com/join-us-for-a-fireside-chat-with-lori-garver-jim-bridenstine/

>>15018991
Holy shit power hour!

>>15018961
The Mars colonist

>"Mars is only 18 months away ha!"
>0.01atm
>98% bOOOOring CO2
>99.99 % of the planet is a desert. The 0.01% is just some frozen CO2 with some water mixed
>Barely any magnetic field
>Barely any atmosphere to protect from meteors and Cosmic rays
>Needs: pressure suit + thermal suit + Life support + etc
>dhiarrea orange haze too

Chad Titan Colonist

>Comfy 1.3 atm THICK atmosphere
>Never seen before 200m deep hydrocarbons lakes/oceans
>30% comfy gravity
>10x less radiation than Mars
>0 stress about meteors
>"bro lets get outside , just wear a jacket and the oxygen mask. Also don't forget your wings "
>you are in the fucking Saturnian system , with Enceladus right there , just be careful with the radiation belt

Yeeeah , Mars is better , sure

>>15018938
Mars is a good base to launch flights to the outer solar system.

>>15018818
>>15018818
Space Shuttle (all of them)

>>15018993
no metals = useless, thanks for playing

>Targeting Wednesday, November 30 at 3:39 a.m. ET for Falcon 9’s launch of ispace’s HAKUTO-R Mission 1 – the first privately-led Japanese mission to land on the lunar surface

>>15019002
how do you know ? Huygens was a joke. We barely explored anything about the planet

>>15019005
https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1597370621847306240

Also a RTLS so should be another awesome landing shot

>>15019006
fine, no *accessible* metals because they're heavier than water and hydrocarbon ices and sank to the core

>>15019002
Just import them from one of Saturn's other moons.

>>15019005
I hope it works

>>15018993
Meanwhile the THAD Venus upper atmosphere colonist

*sunbathes with just a skintight suit and a gas mask*

>>15018993
-180 C
It's super duper fucking cold. And with that atmospheric density, imagine the thermal mass.

>>15019018
again, no accessible metals = useless

>>15018965
>>15018967
Isn't that the ideal terrforming scenario? The products of methane combustion are CO2 and water. The problem is that there's no way to get enough oxygen there for it to burn.

So no static fire. cool. awesome.

>>15019024
You can easily design your venus habitat to be buoyant in the lower atmosphere tho, they'll fall out of the temperate zone but they won't crash and can be rescued.

>>15018301
>Please stop posting

Musk is a fraud and you're a gullible moron. Starship will have its NASA funding pulled around the time Tesla goes into its final stock price death spiral. It'll go to ULA for a real lunar lander.

Also, no. lol

>>15019050
Tesla static fire

>>15019054
Cool story!

Hey /sfg/ , why nobody talks about Mercury?
Pros :
-Land on the dark side . Literally as cold as the moon in the shadow
-Mercury is some iron core from some gas giant that was too close to the sun . Infinite iron + other heavy materials
-tidally locked , no worries about day and night
-0 atmosphere and only 40% gravity

Con:

-Getting there is dificult , lots of DeltaV
-you wil enconter the scorching hot sun in the way in or out .

I means its better than floating in Venus and brething acid

>>15019059
>tidally locked
no, its not unfortunately

>>15019066
>tfw no tidally locked Mercury, no swampy habitable Venus, and no Mars with an atmosphere 10% as dense as Earths
I want to live in the Solar System as imagined by 1950s astronomers

Pick your favourite

>>15019084
whichever one kills the most astronauts

>>15019084
Can I pick none? Fuck "spaceplanes".

>>15019059
>infinite power from Sun
>extremely rich in minerals
>easy to get into orbit/achieve escape velocity
>frequent transfer windows to everywhere
>ideal for launching solar sails
Probably not the best place to live, but it could be very valuable economically.

>>15018544
Just read The Expanse

>>15019084
I never understood why they wanted to give Hermes a cargo bay considering that at best it would barely be able to loft anything beyond its passengers

>>15019098
Because all the cool kids had cargo bays on their spaceplanes

>>15019084
Whichever one is the biggest money pit and waste of resources for France/Europe, so any of them

>>15019098
"we have Shuttle at home"

How will ukraine winning affect spaceflight?

>>15019098
Failure to accept Europe is no longer the center of the planet/universe.
Many such cases.

>>15019109
Russia ceases to exist (this is a good thing)

>>15019111
kek

>>15019084
second rate

>>15019098
Fun fact: In the notional drawing that got handed out to Aerospatiale and Dassault during the initial call for bids (picrel), the cargo bay was based on NO study at all and was just there because the project lead had worked on the SPOT satellite and wanted to put a playful reference to it in the concept design.

The cargo bay was always considered doubtfu and useless by many at the head CNE and was later dropped, this single "joke" at the earliest concept stages may well have delayed the abandonment of the cargo bay!

>>15019144
by many at the head of CNES*

>>15019109
it already has. its called the commercial space war for a reason. https://spacenews.com/on-national-security-drawing-lessons-from-the-first-commercial-space-war/

we'll definitely see a push towards larger satellite constellations, dual use commercial systems (commercial in peace, military priority in war), and sanctions on companies involved in spaceflight. so expect more launches in the future as countries race to get more assets in space.

>>15019157
oh and more fucking ITAR

i want to drop some pond water in a deep martian cave and come back after 10 million years to see how it evolved

>>15019165
not how it works, dawkins

>>15019144
>Submit proposal
>“I was just memeing though XD”
I think the real joke was submitting a space plane proposal in the first place

>>15018897
>spacex: iterates on starlink brightness until they're barely visible, collaborates with astronomers, still gets shit on by the media for it
>ast: launches fuckhuge dishes, and everyone but twitter autists will turn a blind eye

>>15018897
>>15019178
We need to go brighter. Let's really give them a fuckin "reason for pause"

>>15019184
I just want to see a big fucking McDonalds logo in in GEO every time I go outside

>>15019188
as long as the launch $ goes to spacex, they can take over the whole sky for all I care. I dont even believe in public parks

i wish Tim Apple would invest in space

>>15018993
The people colonizing Mercury and the Moon are going to be the biggest chads of the whole solar system.
Hermians operate a forge world, with abundant heavy metals and the ability to synthesize whatever light elements they want with their unlimited energy budget. Loonies have the high ground over Earth and an esoteric technological advantage due to cultists.

>>15019192
They did partner with sat company to provide coverage.

>>15019184
>>15018897
The rage at Starlink was excessive but I really hope we don't end up with thousands of satellites constantly visible with the naked eye, that would completely ruin the nightsky

>>15019192
Hullo should talk to him

>>15019195
move to mercury, it's too uneconomical to put anything in orbit there. your night sky is safe

>tfw we don't live in the timeline where the USSR sent hundreds of Pentaborane-fuelled S1 - Open Cycle gas core NTR Upper stage 10,000 tons monsters and turned central asia into a wasteland because of it.
why even live?

>>15019205
Fuck that I would have taken a glushko hyoergolic super heavy lift rocket THAT would have been kino enough

>>15019193
The Moon will be shit. It's close enough to Earth that Earther nations will be able to project power there and will naturally dominate any colonies culturally and economically, even if they gain political independence.

Kek the nuclear troon was just charged with felony theft. Nuclearfags, explain yourselves!

>they've already given up on the oort cloud

>>15019218
Don't care nigger, I'm living in a giant Moon tree

>>15019218
>economically
Lunar industry will dwarf Earth's within 100 years.