/sci/ - Science & Math

Talk to Alex Jones. He rants about it everyday and says it is put in our water to make us dumb and sterile.

Fuck off.

we're all math phds ehre

>I hear its a part of serotonin re uptake inhibitors (Prozac).

holy fucking shit, is that one of the things that the antifluoride fags are actually saying? and thinking it is a legitimate argument?

words cannot...

www.fluoridealert.org/epa08/rocha-amador.2007.pdf

>>1500133
>>1500126
>>1500121

you have never actually verified the contrary.

>WHY EPA HEADQUARTERS UNION OF SCIENTISTS
OPPOSES FLUORIDATION

http://www.nteu280.org/Issues/Fluoride/NTEU280-Fluoride.htm

you guys are fucking pathetic.

>>1500129
What the f*ck is that pic?

If y'all so straight, how come gay gay gay gay?

>>1500176
Don't look at or save the .hta pics or whatever the bots are spamming.

perfectly safe, only the most electronegative of the elements

>>1500194
If you're trying to gain my trust so that I'll open the picture, you're going about it the wrong way.

That was the intent :)

i was hoping for an educated opinion, but i see sci for what it is now.

thanks

>>1500232

You reject our 'educated opinions' every time you make this thread because we tell you what you don't want to hear.

from the era of mouth pipetting

>>1500247

Yes, fluoride is toxic in high quantities. But not in low quantities.

What if you drink flourinated water AND take SSRIs?

>>1500232
>truths that I don't want to hear are not truths but just part of the conspiracy that is controlling the VERY STARS
yeah, ia ia

Germans and Japanese mush have awful teeth.

Weren't they in a union of sorts during some war long long ago?

>>1500265

i got told

>fuck off
>talk to alex jones
>words cannot
>You reject our 'educated opinions'

where as i posted a peer reviewed scientific paper, and the EPA website.

you guys are losers.

>>1500267
The Japanese are known for wonky teeth. Something to do with their soft foods and small jaws.

>>1500267
In Europe they put fluoride in salt.

>>1500083
>What are the pharmacological effects of Fluoride?
Relieves you of the burden of complex emotions.

>>1500254

yet scientific papers say that exposure from drinking water reduces iq

>>1500133

yet Prozac is called Fluoxetine.

cook meth.

I doubt a little fluoride will hurt you. I mean, they used to use potassium nitrite is sensitivity toothpaste, and they may still do so.

>>1500298
Not to mention shitloads of sodium chloride too

>>1500296
>yet scientific papers say that exposure from drinking water reduces iq
Oh really? "Scientific papers", right? May I ask wich peer reviewed "scientific" papers say that? Are there any papers that say the opposite?

>>1500307
I remember a noteworthy study appearing in The 'Quarterly Review of Tinfoil Hat Wearers' and another in 'The International Journal of OH MY GOD THE CIA ARE IN MY TEETH'

Magnets, how do they work etc etc.

Also, I don't kno.w Use lasers with celery attached.

>>1500306
When will the madness end?

>>1500307

suck hairy monkey balls.

>>1500306
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4058
You'll also hear the claim that fluoridation has been banned in Europe. This is also completely untrue. In Europe it's more common to fluoridate salt instead of water, thus bringing the same benefits via a different delivery method. As long as you don't look at that fact, the anti-fluoridation people can truthfully say that "Europe rejects fluoridation of water."

>>1500307
These types of papers put out by doctors in the field of study.
http://www.ada.org/sections/newsAndEvents/pdfs/fluoridation_facts.pdf
Not wackos on the internet.

>>1500083

i didn't actually state my opinion on Fluoride in the OP, however all you faggots got uppity for some reason.

>>1500383

EPA are wackos?

according to philosophy of science, it's likely that the article you linked is wrong.

>>1500267
Americans must be really retarded judging from that map.

>>1500404
>it's likely that the article you linked is wrong.
The link that i sent sites over 350 sources of experiments and data done by scientists in the field of study. I still have more then just the ADA i also have the CDC to back me up.
http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/benefits.htm

Fluoride was used in Nazi Germany in the water to make the jews more submissive.

The more you know.

Move to Oregon where it's illegal to put that shit in the water.

>>1500424

i'm not acknowledging or addressing any of that. not even wasting my time to explain my reasons.

>>1500444
>Fluoride was used in Nazi Germany in the water to make the jews more submissive.

Where is your historical source for this?

>>1500464
Just google it. I could link you the first 10, but I have no idea if any of them are credible in your eyes. Pick one that looks credible with sources, they are there.

>Prozac and sodium fluoride are the same because they have both flour atoms in them
THAT is why nobody tales you seriously
Because you have not the SLIGHTEST idea of how the world works, not one tiny bit
You are a stupid idiot, and proud of it

>>1500475
>Just google it.
That is not a historical source. You have this all wrong. I am not suppose to support your claim. You are suppose to be doing that. Support your claim with historical evidence.

And credible sources are peer reviewed.

fuck yea ma!n

>>1500502

never said they were the same, i'm just asking questions and stating what i hurd, you're the one raging.

Obviously structure is responsible for function, but the fluoride could be the functional group. I dunno, that's why i'm curious as to what sci has to say, so far its just angry bigots.

>>1500232
>i was hoping for an educated opinion, but i see sci for what it is now.
ha, yes
/sci/ bases it's opinion on scientific facts.
The scientific facts say that fluoride is not dangerous in the doses admitted by water fluoridation
the scientific facts say that water fluoridation increases dental healths significantly
You are the idiot, that holds up his beliefs

http://jdr.sagepub.com/content/84/10/951.abstract

> i'm just asking questions
are you glenn beck?
>i was hoping for an educated opinion, but i see sci for what it is now.
The educated opinion is the scientific consensus, see >>1500535

The conspiracy theory of the Nazis using fluoride to sedate the jews only has a single unvarifiable source. A man called Charles E Perkins made such claims in a book about fluoride but provided no real documentary evidence to back up his claims.

This then got blindly parroted by conspiracy theorists and gradually became TRUE INTERNET FACTS.

>>1500535
>You are the idiot, that holds up his beliefs
*despite evidence to the contrary

>>1500511

its up you to educate yourself.

could be risky, if you drink as much as usual since 2 or 3 beers can get you wsated, if you just olst a ltire of blood or so

>>1500083
Yes, I have heard that topical application such as through fluoride toothpaste is much more effective.

>>1500553
No, I believe the burden of proof is on the one who made the claim.

>>1500553
I like how wrong you are. You make the assertion you provide the evidence. You have provided none that has been peer reviewed. Meanwhile i have evidence backed up by scientists that state at certain doses that fluoride are non-toxic and in fact good for your teeth.

>>1500576

good for you

Hey guys
i heard that the moon is actually made of cheese, and i have totally credible sources to back that up
you just have to google it
and since i told you i have the sources, and gave you some vague statement where to look for them, that makes my claim true until you provide evidence to the contrary!
enjoy your cheese-moon, faggots

>>1500580

like i have nothing else to do.

>>1500602
It's a known fact that Apollo 11's lander carried a significant payload of crackers.

hey but guys, just because OP doesn't have the evidence doesn't mean that it doesn't exist!

Its very possible that hes right. And you can't prove that hes wrong just because hes gay. even if you provide sources saying hes wrong, he still can be kinda right

~agnosticism

You definitely don't need to use induction to prove those.

1 + 2 + ... + n = n + ... + 2 + 1
Pair up the terms and you get (n+1) + (n+1) + ... n times, so n(n+1).
Divide by 2.
Or
you can b elike derp 1 +2 + ... + n = (n+1) choose 2 by hockey stick done.

For the other one, I think there's a combinatorail way ubt I can't remember it. You can get to it by summing (k+1)^4 - k^4 and telescoping and stuff.

>>1500609
>www.fluoridealert.org/epa08/rocha-amador.2007.pdf
NOT PEER REVIEWED.
>http://www.nteu280.org/Issues/Fluoride/NTEU280-Fluoride.htm
NOT PEER REVIEWED.

>>1500609
>like i have nothing else to do.
you obviously have enough time to make shitty threads
face it, you are not going to convince people with some unfounded claims, you need evidence
sadly, you don't have evidence

>"In summary, we hold that fluoridation is an unreasonable risk."

US ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY HEADQUARTERS' UNION, 2001.

>>1500643
Meanwhile
http://www.ada.org/sections/newsAndEvents/pdfs/fluoridation_facts.pdf
PEER REVIEWED

>>1500669
can you please link us to the original article of the EPA
thank you

>>1500669
>"In summary, we hold that H2O is an unreasonable risk."
US ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY HEADQUARTERS' UNION, 2001.

If i made a webpage with that in it would you still believe it? Because that article does not look like its PEER FUCKING REVIEWED.

>>1500642

i'm not trying to convince people. Which is why i'm not arguing.

you guys are arguing and being mad.

i just want to know. I'm asking questions and looking for the truth. Not being dismissive of any information. and forming MY OWN opinion.

>>1500669
>Our union is comprised of and represents the approximately 1500 scientists, lawyers, engineers and other professional employees at EPA Headquarters here in Washington, D.C.
haha, those are not even really the EPA, there are just some people "employed" there.
Tell me when actual scientist in a scientific paper say anything, thanks

>>1500699

if you're the environmental protection agency, i would definitely take a look at it, if it aroused my interests.

i don't get it

>>1500705

corporations are made of people.

>>1500700
>i just want to know. I'm asking questions and looking for the truth.
you want the truth? here's the truth:
fluoride is not dangerous in those low concentrations. fluoride helps the teeth.
there is no conspiracy, there are no man in black, just people with to much imagination
some believe the reptilians are controlling their brain with thetawaves, some believe the government tries to poison them with fluoride.
there are no people behind the curtain, the world is as boring as it looks

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18038039

here's a question, how do i find out if an article is peer reviewed?

>>1500708
>if you're the environmental protection agency
they are NOT the epa, they are a union, they are spouting "epa" to make it seem like they have validity.
funny thing is, they wouldn't even have to, if what they said had any supporting evidence, they would be proven right, no matter what names are attached

>>1500736
>here's a question, how do i find out if an article is peer reviewed?
it is published in a respected scientific journal

>>1500751

so the truth comes down to the publisher then.

>>1500762
>so the truth comes down to the publisher then.
nope, it comes down to the other scientist who review the paper that is submitted for publishing, checking the data and conclusion to ensure no errors were made
that's the "peer" part in peer-review

Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream.

Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.

lol

I have this bookmarked just so I can make people annoyed at will.

>>1500786

what resources can i use to look up Peer Reviewed articles?

does pubmed has them?

yeah paragraph 2 is rather trollish. or maybe op is simply dumb or uneducated.

>>1500817
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_Citation_Index
there you go

>>1500851

can you link me to something i can use to search peer reviewed articles?