/sci/ - Science & Math

>>14998668
Sex is heteronormally distributed

>>14998668
binary
either you have it or you don't
have sex

>>14998668
It's binary but once in a while God fucks up and you get someone in between

You just know some tranny made that image. It gives you such an inflated amount of intersex. And what the fuck does it mean to be "more male" than another male?

Men and women are completely identical. Simple as

>>14998686
>And what the fuck does it mean to be "more male" than another male?
Big penis? Six pack?

>>14998680
>>14998679
A bimodal spectrum absolutely destroys and disproves a sex binary. Intersex people (which we all are to varying degrees across five levels of sexual development) completely blow up a sex binary. This isn’t even a discussion anymore, biologists know that sex isn’t a binary.

No, sex is a spectrum. Look at normal sexual development and the range of perfectly healthy and natural varieties. I’m not talking about genetic anomalies.

Exceptions don’t invalidate discrete categories, the very basic biological fact that there aren’t discrete categories invalidates that nonsense. What practical benefits do you think your imaginary sexual binary confers that the reality of sexual variation doesn’t?

>>14998701
Take your meds, troon.

>>14998701
Tranny trying to do science alert.

Of course sex is binary; 1+1=2.

You're just some social advantage seeking tranny making up useless data using extracts of pure creativity; you ignore pure logic of male and female in life's image. Instead you highlight man's failed attempt at describing what a fact is, and jumble up lots of these in support of your claims.

Male and female binary is present to our senses, but man's attempt at a self-defined intellect disagrees, so you're the one who is right and our senses are stupid.

Obviously, grow a set and commit sui cause you're retarded SCORE

>>14998668
Sex (man, woman) is binary with some rare exceptions
Gender (masculine, feminine) is a spectrum, some women are more feminine than others for example

>>14998701
There's male, there's female and then there's biological dysfunction. There is no spectrum as far as the biological function of sexes is concerned.

>>14998668
Primary sexual characteristics are binary
secondary sexual characteristics are bimodal
>>14998701
Intersex people only have one kind of gonads (or would be gonads). some have literal testicles for ovaries or ovaries for testicles. There isn't a single shred of evidence for True human hermaphrodites. in fact not a single true hermaphrodite vertebrate has ever been observed.

>>14998701
>intersex
>some people are born without limbs therefore humans are not four limbed animal

>>14998701
sex is not a spectrum, it is a clear cut thing
men liking pink is not "oh well he's a fucking woman now" or "he's intersex"
A man liking dresses is not an "Intersex genderfluid person", it is a guy that likes dresses

I fucking hate you and I fucking hate the jewish fucking subversion you call gender studies
KILL YOURSELF

Its a spectrum of course; here is the best chart produced to date.

>>14998881
>>14998732
>>14998718
Imagine thinking I haven’t heard all of that before. We could talk about colloquial usage and average usage, but aren’t we talking about ontology? What is the defined criteria for ‘woman’, and is that different than a ‘female’? Don’t give me generic definitions, I thought we wanted to be precise here? What does a biologist say? What about people who study culture? What about linguists? What about philosophers?
You seem to be saying everything is about averages. If that’s the case, does a woman become a man when the averages are weighted beyond some arbitrary point you define? What can you tell me about the six layers of sexual development? What can you can tell me about all the genders and gender norms in different cultures that have nothing to do with biology?

Reminder that sex != gender. Sex is either male or female, 0 or 1. Gender is a social construct based on the failed theories of a psychopath pedophile psychologist called John Money, it can be anything because the concept is meaningless.

>>14998934
Retarded AND gay.

>>14998934
A woman is a sexually mature human female. A female has no Y chromosomes. Take your meds, troon.

>>14998934
We are talking about science, not metaphysics. Unless you are arguing for hard anti realism and skepticism, language and representation doesn't matter because sex is a real physical mind independent thing.
Have it your way. humans are either A or B because no human can have both A specific attributes and B specific attributes simultaneously. do you have any counterarguments to this?

>>14998701
>Look at normal sexual development and the range of perfectly healthy and natural varieties. I’m not talking about genetic anomalies.
That's social scientism like how you stole for some years the chemical cis and trans shit.
Dumb freak, taxonomy exists for a reason
>>14998736
>interlimbs

>>14998934
>what does a biologist say
that a female is XX and a male is XY
>what about people who study culture, linguists and philosophers
using the wrong words for stupid "philosophical" stuff like "what does it actually mean to be a man, why would a man like pretty things??? it doesn't fit my stupid stereotypical view on men, must be a woman" is what's wrong with modern midwit authorities, they are all retarded and should be culled out of society for manipulating and gaslighting the youth like this

>>14998701
This shit is so fucking retarded that it just deserves to be laughed at
AHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>14998668
Sex, as defined as the range of generated phenotypes is binary with incidental outliers.
Gender is a meme with an arbitrary number of qualifiers and spectrum. Only accademics and losers call it a social construct.

>>14998668
Has there ever been a verified case of a human producing both gametes? If not, it's 100% binary.

>>14999076
It's actually much more simple than that. It's what gametes you produce, or would produce if not effected by some condition that prevents it. That's why women with chromosomal disorders are still women. They still produce eggs. The extreme chromosomes aren't a different sex, just something that gives them heart problems and greater cancer risks, etc.

>>14998902
wtf I want a metalkin gf

>>14999059
Sex is the reproductive part of our biology. You can't have a sex that is not related to either sperm or ova. You can be deformed and lack sexual capabilities, but that isn't a different sex.

>>14999184
The way postmodernists think is that words have certain cultural connotations therefore the entire concept is false. what i am trying to show is that even if you go along with their logic, they can't show how sex isn't binary.
>You can't have a sex that is not related to either sperm or ova. You can be deformed and lack sexual capabilities, but that isn't a different se
that's why gonads are used instead of sperm/ovum. gonads are either male or female regardless if they are dysfunctional. My argument is that not a single human or land vertebrate has both female and male gonads simultaneously. intersex are just people that have dysfunctional gonad and sexual development.

>>14998701
>What practical benefits do you think your imaginary sexual binary confers that the reality of sexual variation doesn’t?

Binary laws, sexual segregation, roles, etc are much more practical than trying to make that stuff spectral. Also most people considered intersex can slip into the one they are closest to with little friction. So sure the science is the science, but the science doesn't tell us the best way to organize society, it's just a consideration.

Also I think the people who honestly claim sex is a binary don't know what they mean. I've never heard of someone who denies the existence of intersex people. But you know what I see a lot? People who want to ignore that sex is overwhelmingly bimodal. Maybe you should go to where they hang out and give them a lecture.

>>14998902
>betamax listed but not VHS

I feel invisible and marginalized, i'm literally shaking

>>14998668
your answer is pic related

>>14998719
>>14998736
Again male or female with a deformity compared to what? You need to define male or female that doesn't fail by 'deformities'. With that your definition
fails. And then you need to address what
you're ignoring - the fact that sex and
gender are different. It's strange that you're this stubborn despite the fact you clearly aren't making any ground here... what is your
agenda?

>>14998668
>Is sex a binary, bimodal, or a spectrum?

Binary, you are a cock sucker or you are not.

>>14998668
Sex is quadrary.
Males produce sperm and females prquadrant. Thus there exist 4 sexes: male, female, true hermaphrodite, and asexual.
This applies to all sexually reproducing lifeforms on earth -plants animals fungi etc.
Chromosomes, genitalia, or whatever else do not factor in at all.

Speaking in terms of physiology, it's sort of a spectrum. Look up "disorders of sex development" for more info, but basically any mixup of your genitals (visible dick or vag) your gonads (ovaries vs. testes), your chromosomes, or your hormones. If any one of those things don't match with the rest, you'd fall somewhere in the middle.

And would you believe that anywhere from 0.02% on the low end, or as many as 2% depending on how you define it, of the general population are born with these types of disorders? Lots of people never even realize it. If you've ever met that guy with an unusually feminine voice, that's probably the reason why. They aren't purposefully being an annoying asshole with their faggy voice, at least not always. They just might have a uterus tucked up in there and they never thought to check

>>14999291
>Again male or female with a deformity compared to what?
Compared to a healthy, developed male or female. It's literally that easy.

>>14999078
I can’t tell if this is trolling or if a tranny really made that.

>>14999343
>Thus there exist 4 sexes: male, female, true hermaphrodite, and asexual.
Daily reminder that when talking about humans there are no true hermaphrodites nor asexuals. Thus tranny niggers should hang themselves, a man will never be a woman nor vice versa.
t. Chud

>>14998668
binary in all amniotes.

Even wondering about this makes you 100% pro-tranny.

>>14998668
Binary

>>14999406
So the 46 xy pregnancies, are they male or female? Ah, so a woman or a female with a chromosome deformity? a
biological male who gets pregnant,
expresses themselves as a woman? A
deformed hand is still a deformed hand
we don't confuse it with a foot. In the
normal case we can clearly delineate
between a hand a foot due to the structure and function, there are no blurred lines here. Neither of these apply to sex and gender obviously, since we still can't say what is physically a female or culturally a woman.
We've just established that someone who is predominantly xy (and none of us are 100% can have a healthy pregnancy, so
we can't rely on chromosomes. So where are we at?

>>14998668
binary + mutations. mutations can be anything from 'intersex' to something where sex doesn't even exist. the existence of these mutations however does not change the fact that the stable portion of the genes give rise to binary sex

>>14999396
>>14999406
So the 46 xy pregnancies, are they male or female? Ah, so a woman or a female with a chromosome deformity? a biological male who gets pregnant,
expresses themselves as a woman? A
deformed hand is still a deformed hand
we don't confuse it with a foot. In the
normal case we can clearly delineate
between a hand a foot due to the structure and function, there are no blurred lines here. Neither of these apply to sex and gender obviously, since we still can't say what is physically a female or culturally a woman. We've just established that someone who is predominantly xy (and none of us are 100% can have a healthy pregnancy, so
we can't rely on chromosomes. So where are we at?

>>14999614
>Neither of these apply to sex and gender obviously, since we still can't say what is physically a female or culturally a woman.
You might not have the mental faculties to, but everyone else is perfectly able to do so.

>>14999619
Then define it.

>>14998902
The Unknowns got me.

>>14999619
Define it both physically and culturally. There's no actual way to do it.Words aren’t things. Words are tools and all the words we use change their meaning. That’s cultural evolution. Words don’t have ontologies. Even if you want to misdefine the word woman by claiming that it refers to biological sex then you’re still lost because science has revealed how far away biological sex is from being a binary. Humans are low in sexual dimorphism compared to other mammals and there’s no perfectly consistent or objective criteria to demarcate people into the categories of male or female. Taxonomies aren’t things either, they also don’t have ontologies. You’re not going to deductively argue away your ignorance and the complexities of the world, I’m sorry.

Gender studies are not science and should be banned from /sci/

>>14999685
Everyone can tell the difference between a man and a woman. Everyone knows TIMs are men. It's so implicit to our physical reality that it's immediately discernable by every person, which is why trannies are so neurotic about "passing." They know they can't, no matter what they do.

>>15000000
Holy based.

>>15000000
powerful

>>15000000

>>15000000
i hate gender studies too but can we not turn this into an echo chamber?
people saying bullshit is the magic of /sci/

>>15000000
I.. I kneel.

>>15000000
OFF BY ONE

>>15000000

>>15000000
The 6-get that saved /sci/

>>15000000
Blessed.

>>15000000
t-tronnsisters, b-but they told us the chuds were gonna lose..

>>15000072
How will cirno bros ever recover?

>>14998902
>Prince sign for singularity
I audibly chuckled

>>15000000
Jannies, implement this new rule

>>14999023
>A female has no Y chromosomes
Incorrect chuddie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microchimerism

>>15000000
Holy mother of based!

>>14998902
>subtle "fag" in the top row
>"Jeb! 2016"
>Journalist
>Fuck you Dad
>alternate 1985 when Biff has the sports almanac
lmfao

>Transgender BTFOs the entire thread
Kek.

>>15000000
Janny pls make it happen

>>14998668
It's a cope for being unhappy with the way you are.
Instead of playing to they biological strenght/traits they choose to play to your weakness pretending you're the other.
Weak emasculated sissies and assertive dominant women
Nowadays this is not accepted it's actively encouraged and tought to the new generations.

I suppose trans-gender/humanism it's the friendliest approach of eugenics i suppose, when those in power want their competion to be confused self sterilized productive workgoys.
Hegelian as fuck, this genderblender synthesis

>>14998686
>And what the fuck does it mean to be "more male" than another male?

Well that would be stoic,assertive and dominant.
Triats they attempt to breed/discourage out of men.
Which is exactly what feminist teach their chicks to become in case you didn't notice.

>>15000309
>Incorrect chuddie
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microchimerism
Wow lets take the rare chimera example, and impose this on the majority. neck yourself woke prick.

>>15000613
Chimeras aren't even "real" XX/XY. They have a teratoma that has the wrong chromosomes.

>>15000616
>Chimeras aren't even "real"
neither is anything "trans"lol.

I specifically picked chimera, instead of unicorn as a metaphor, don't you think "microchimerism" is based on, oh right.

Do chime in on that.

>>14998701
good bait

Sex is about gametes (spern or eggs) not chromosomes. The chromosomes correctly strongly with gametes, but sometimes you get XXY people, and also other sexual animals don't even have X or Y choromsomes.

>>14998668
Binary. All animals either produce sperm or eggs. No animal will produce both. There are a few super rare "intersex" individuals, but in these cases a sex gene broke and their sexual organs just didnt develop right.

>>15000000
Wasted get because no one talks about "gender studies" on /sci/ and everyone knows it is not science. Faggot.
>>14999999

>>15000729
>Binary. All animals either produce sperm or eggs. No animal will produce both.
There are shitloads of animals that can produce both. Not humans though except in extremely rare cases.

>>15000824
Which animals produce both? Like snails or something?

>>15000891
Yeah and some fish idk

>>15000891
All kinds of "primitive" animals like snails and worms. Sometimes they fertilize each other equally, sometimes they fight over who gets to be the male.
But like the other guy said, no humans have ever been known to do this. When intersex people start successfully breeding and forming their own populations, then I'll start respecting this "spectrum" bullshit.

>>15000000
Checked, BASED, and not wasted.

>>15000824
>Not humans though except in extremely rare cases.
Humans can never produce both ever, because the organ that produces one is homologous to the one that produces the other. Developmentally you cannot develop both.

>>15000959
Hmmm but what if you have a double human, like a boy with two heads, but with two asses?

>>15000638
There's benefits and detrimental effects found from fetal microchimerism, but mostly not so great maternal effects when the fetus was male.

>>15000000
WITNESSED

Bump

Don't mind me just leaving this here

>>14998668
>Is sex a binary
Only two genders. Genders cannot be changed, they are genetically hardwired into the body.

in america its a spectrum, in the rest of the world its binary

>>14998686
bigger dick

>>15002733
kek so true. Ameritards are fucked up with mentally ill trans shooters everywhere.

>>15000000
Witnessing this godtier get.Jannies, make it happen.

>>15000812
>>15000052
>>>/r/eddit is that way, faggots

>>14998668
>Is sex a binary, bimodal, or a spectrum?
Sex is binary. The exceptions are so rare as to be discarded as outliers.
The confusion comes from liberals, who show no sexual dimorphism. Liberal "males" are weak and limp-wristed. Liberal "females" are virago land-whales. The two are virtually indistinguishable, leading them to conclude that sex/gender must be a spectrum. It's not; they're just defective people.

>>14999328
Shit...that rooster could kick someone into next week!

>>15000000
Folks...the rare hex. Nothing more to be said.

See you guys at 15111111.

>>15000000
Those digits don't lie.

>>15000000
Well said and excellent numbers

>>14998701
>This isn’t even a discussion anymore, biologists know that sex isn’t a binary.
Wrong. Sex is entirely defined by production of gametes which is binary. This is because things like chromosomes or genetically differ so much between even animals (let alone plants or fungi) that only gametes are universal. This has been the way its defined for decades.
There are no exceptions to this. Stop talking about things you don't understand.

>>15000000
Those digits cannot lie

>>15000000
Gigabased

>>14998668
The meme answer is:
Gender is a fantasy construct, there are millions of genders and you can swap them.

The scientific answer is:
There are male, female and others and they defined by their genes. A male has an x and a y chromosome, a female has two x chromosomes and a trans person has a combination like xxy (Klinefelter-Syndrom), xyy (male phenotype) or xxyy (often linked with infertility snd learning disabilities).

>>14999619
>culturally a woman
That is equally nonsensical as "culturally a mare".

>>15000000
BASED

>>15000000
Holy shit

>>15000000
Blessed truth

>>14998668
if you're a cynical, status-seeking "schmoozing" theoretical physicist, spectrum.

>>15000000
Unfathomably based

>>14998902
Tag yourself, I'm a twinkmobile dodecafag.

>>15000000
Ultra giga turbo based

>>15000000
I kneel...

>>14998668
it's a differentiation, which can be more or less pronounced.

>>14998902
Thank you Finnish Association of Gender Studies

>>14998902
High-res version

>>14998668
Can hermaphrodites reproduce?

>>15007373
Almost all strongly intersex individuals are sterile. And there has never been a recorded case of a human being able to produce both kinds of gametes.

>>15005847
robosexual mayonnaise, specifically hellman's

>>15000000

>>14999396
the 2%, or rather 1,7% statistic is waaaaay to broad and made up by Anne Fausto-Sterling by including things such as a micropenis, something that would be considered as a development problem, but not intersex by any other biologist, she is an educated biologist though, so not completely bat shit insane
>>14999614
while there have been pregnancies of predominantly 46XY karyotypes, they still had female gonads (with mostly 46XY karyotypes and a few percetn 45X and sometimes tiny traces of 46XX), they were usually sterile and only a handfull of known cases were able to fertilize naturally
so yeah, it's still gonads in my opinion, though those hermaphroditic chimeras are making it weird

>>15000925
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/
Context: We report herein a remarkable family in which the mother of a woman with 46,XY complete gonadal dysgenesis was found to have a 46,XY karyotype in peripheral lymphocytes, mosaicism in cultured skin fibroblasts (80% 46,XY and 20% 45,X) and a predominantly 46,XY karyotype in the ovary (93% 46,XY and 6% 45,X).
Patients: A 46,XY mother who developed as a normal woman underwent spontaneous puberty, reached menarche, menstruated regularly, experienced two unassisted pregnancies, and gave birth to a 46,XY daughter with complete gonadal dysgenesis.
Results: Evaluation of the Y chromosome in the daughter and both parents revealed that the daughter inherited her Y chromosome from her father. Molecular analysis of the genes SOX9, SF1, DMRT1, DMRT3, TSPYL, BPESC1, DHH, WNT4, SRY, and DAX1 revealed normal male coding sequences in both the mother and daughter. An extensive family pedigree across four generations revealed multiple other family members with ambiguous genitalia and infertility in both phenotypic males and females, and the mode of inheritance of the phenotype was strongly suggestive of X-linkage.

Conclusions: The range of phenotypes observed in this unique family suggests that there may be transmission of a mutation in a novel sex-determining gene or in a gene that predisposes to chromosomal mosaicism.
>wtf

it's quite simple: do you have at least one Y chromosome? If so, you're a man, otherwise you're a woman.

>>14998668
define sex first, otherwise your statistical analysis will be pretty unclear exactly what it's talking about.

>>14999477
checked and based, resident namechad

>>15007373
why was Spain asian?

>>14998668
Sex is binary. You're either male or not.

>>15000000
Based.

>>14998934
You're just a retard. At best you're arguing that these terms aren't entirely unambiguous but that's a property of natural language and real world knowledge more generally.

>>14999477
And?

>>14998934
>what is the defined criteria for woman
Adult human female
>is it different then female
It specificies an adult human female so excluding animals and non adults
>I thought we wanted to be precise here
Definitions aren't really precise. Like give me the definition of chair that excludes every non chair but every chair.

Basically anon you have to remember every single definition is not binary when talking about real world objects. So instead we should change the criteria for binary. For sex it's actually incredibly binary. Even your extra chromosome xxy males produce male haploid cells. So why worry. It's a binary very rare examples of people who can't produce a specific type of gamete we are talking .01% of the population

>>14998668
>Is sex a binary, bimodal, or a spectrum?
Almost all animals follow the laws of gender dynamics, gender evolved with sex to produce a dichotomous equilibrium, most animals follow the first law of gender dynamics, their gender adheres to their sex, they are in equilibrium with their fundamental sex which is the most efficient means of reproducing and preventing entropy, which is what intersex and trannies are, the second law of gender dynamics entropy is an inevitability of the the first law of gender dynamics as variation/degradation is inevitable in a dynamic system seeking to find the most feminine female and the most masculine male and the complexity of sexual traits and behaviours that work against entropy (trannies).

>>14998718
This is the only correct answer.

Sex is derivative of sexual reproduction which is binary. You could say a spectrum of 2 possible values. Dilate and kys

Why do people make this so complicated?
You are either female (which is the egg-producing form, male (which is seen as the non-egg producing) or infertile.

>>14998701
>Look at normal sexual development and the range of perfectly healthy and natural varieties.
>I’m not talking about genetic anomalies.
why didn't you give an example, or is it just common sense in the part of narnia where you come from?

>>14998668
XY females can give birth, so I dunno
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/