/sci/ - Science & Math

we're only a month off from the 50th anniversary of apollo 17 leaving the moon.

>>14983252
FTS Archive
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KCJBL632oieD1r6JOh_5Eg9NTcf_-hH8?usp=share_link

presented without comment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhr94TfQ3DM
lol SpaceX conducted the first full duration Raptor test. This is gonna take a while

>>14983284
gotta keeps these jobs, gotta keep the big contractors going

>>14983281
Not strictly speaking space related, but I did find a stamp of the research vessel "Cosmonaut Vladislav Volkov", renamed in 1974 after the Soyuz 11 cosmonaut

>>14983284
not to mention that SLS uses Shuttle heritage

>>14983272
grim

if SS doesn't lose any tiles it will survive reentry

New Glenn will be more successful than Vulcan simply because it is reusable

Can it be used to recover 2nd stages

>>14983272
And then we're 50 years from Skylab.
I know this mostly because at a thrift store I found some brochures and flyers that some kids got when they visited MSFC in late 1972. It even had both solar panels on all the Skylab stuff.
Skylab was probably the last best NASA kino ever. Since then they've only sent up cramped modules to LEO, and avoided even going back to the moon.

>>14983340
I don’t have proof but I have some memory of centaur concept art with an inflatable heat shield. I might just be imagining it though so don’t take my word as truth

>>14983328

>>14983351
They have the skylab training module at JSC and it’s jaw dropping to see how large it is. Especially the solar telescope. Shit is huge. The Saturn V was so powerful

WE

>>14983383
ARE

>>14983399
TESTING

>>14983399
WAITING

>>14983272
somebody who do not know this?
https://apolloinrealtime.org/17/

>>14983406
>2 billion dollars per launch
it's actually 4 billion

>>14983399
GRIFTING

>>14983406
ther can't be a 'chance to succeed' if you always delay for weather/inspect/rol back/repair/replace parts/re-certify in the VAB
checkmate, new spacee

So Berger met with a source that told him that SLS might not launch till 2028

The source is now saying that Artemis III might not happen until 2028

https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1592157414253801472?s=46&t=mOK6csE3OTHWWOO1T-D5OQ

>>14983426

>>14983426
SLS has to actually launch in 2023 or his source is not credible

>>14983428

>>14983430
Berger is right. If NASA originally aimed at 2028, then it would have been delayed to 2032+. With them pushing for 2024, the schedule was moved up and the timeline of 2024-2028 opened up for possible Artemis III launch. Low chance but its higher than 0% chance of earlier 2028

>>14983430
In other words without Pence this shit would likely be happening in 2039

https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceLaunchSystem/comments/cf2l24/eric_berger_saying_artemis_1_could_be_delayed_to/

>>14983440
Pure cope and seethe
https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1590766214212718607

No pussying around. No wet dress rehearsals. 16 ENGINES STATIC FIRE. 16 BE-2s THAT WILL NEVER GET DELIVERED. 16 SLSs THAT WILL NEVER MAKE IT TO ORBIT. 16 SCOOPS. TODAY IS THE DAY

Super Heavy is literally me

>>14983430
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/11/the-oracle-who-predicted-slss-launch-in-2023-has-thoughts-about-artemis-iii/

The future is devoid of constant spin primes and it’s beautiful

>>14983445
LOL he even brought up the reddit comments. He’s enjoying it

hey guys just woke up from a coma since 2005. How is the constellation program going? We landed on the moon by 2020 right?

>>14983445
It will launch in 2 days. Not because they feel ready, but because they give up and know if they try to roll it back and forth any more the hydrogen will rip the tank in half

>>14983467
They are thinking this I’m sure, but I’m almost certain they will find something that will force a scrub no matter how bad they want to actually launch this time.
Best case scenario they get go-fever and override a very glaring problem leading to a RUD

>>14983428
The one issue that lurks in the background and seemingly not incorporated into The Prophecy is 'ol Elon.

He isn't particularly stable these days. Now, that can be kind of amusing when you are talking about a twatter site. Less enjoyable when you are thinking about an enormously complex, baseline risky space adventure. Yes, Gwynn seems to be taking over Starbase and that is, IMHO, a hugely comforting sign, but Elon is still running around, doing Elon things.

That can't make NASA (nor much of anyone else) very happy.

I kinda wonder how long he will keep any sort of security clearance. If anyone else here tried half the nonsense that he has managed, they'd be out in the mailroom sorting trash.

>>14983484
Take less trans pill and maybe you'll see a better world

>>14983484
Why do you obvious redditors have to come here and shit it up with your echo chamber mentality?

>>14983484
Nice conspiracy theory, leftoid

>>14983484
(you)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg

Another day, another potential static fire testing campaign begins, roads now closed

>>14983511
???? OP notice yes?

>>14983514
Yes.

>>14983430
>NASA had set the date as 2028 for a reason.
Yes, so that the grifting can continue.

>>14983445
>artemis 3 will likely be crew dragon docking to HLS starship in LEO
what the fuck

>>14983539
Its better than Orion docking to HLS in NRHO around the moon

>>14983430

>>14983539
how can SS have enough delta V to go from earth orbit to landing on the moon to earth orbit

>>14983551
6 refuels

>>14983539
Wait yeah what the fuck??????
That’s an option? This implies HLS can make it back to LEO holy shit. If this is the case then SLS cancellation is actually on the table in theory

>>14983445
>SLSS launch

>>14983559
>SLS cancellation is actually on the table in theory
In theory.

Starship + Crew Dragon could do all the work necessary. To get to Moon/Orbit/Transport/Land/etc.

But Senators dont like it. Now that liberals have a hate mongering for Musk, its certainly not gonna happen, out of spite.

>>14983574
so why did they do the study about FH carrying Orion if Orion is not needed and SS can go from Earth orbit to the moon and back?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9ZKo8h5Ddw

Old view about alternative Artemis architecture

>>14983578
Because JimBridenstein thought it might get us closer to 2024 by forgoing the entire SLS as a means to put pressure on SLS team.

>>14983578
they did the study because they were trying to see if they could keep orion in the picture

How much extra delta-V would HLS starship need to get back into LEO?

>>14983484
You have to go back.
ywnbaw

>>14983574
Well yeah. The biggest part of my post was the “in theory” part. I guess what I was trying to say was that SLS is/was unkillable by virtue of Orion being a fat piece of shit that can’t fit on any other rocket, and it being the only way to actually get to the moon. If dragon-HLS is possible then this opens up the option of POSSIBLY kicking SLS to the curb, maybe
Another thing to consider though is a second HLS option. Imagine for example NASA going with BO. Now you still need Orion and by extension SLS. This might be Jeff’s new (pathetic) selling point

/sfg/ pseudos btfo
https://twitter.com/DrChrisCombs/status/1592011744679178243

>>14983584

>>14983594
>Internet guy can't make rocket
>Rocket guy can't make car
>Rocket/Car guy can't make internet

Leftists are tiring

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/14/business/jeff-bezos-charity/index.html
>Exclusive: Jeff Bezos says he will give most of his money to charity
>Amazon founder Jeff Bezos plans to give away the majority of his $124 billion net worth during his lifetime, telling CNN in an exclusive interview he will devote the bulk of his wealth to fighting climate change and supporting people who can unify humanity in the face of deep social and political divisions.
>Bezos has credited his own journey to space for helping to inspire his push to fight climate change. Now, it is Lauren Sánchez’s turn. His partner told CNN she anticipates venturing into orbit herself sometime in 2023. And while she did not directly address who will be joining her — quickly ruling out Bezos as a crewmate — she said simply: “It’ll be a great group of females.”
it's over BObros...

>>14983602
She wants to go to orbit? Not on a BO rocket I guess hahahahahahahahahahahahahahagahagahahahahah

>>14983570
go full Kerbal
1 L core
4 L boosters

>>14983570

>The Artemis 1 pre-launch briefing that was scheduled for noon EST today has been replaced with a briefing scheduled for approx. 6 pm EST (telecon only, it appears.)

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1592183794945105920

OMINOUS

>>14983616
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xUnSVTh8fI

>>14983590
>Imagine for example NASA going with BO.
I would have to imagine engines and a rocket first.
BO is older than SpaceX, and SpaceX is already working on their second-generation rocket.
Jeff might have a selling point if he had something to sell.

>>14983621
I unironcially miss Rogozin's clown anthics.

>>14983621
it’s actually SeX’s third generation rocket but yeah
He could always offer BO lander atop an SLS. In fact i’m pretty sure this is why natty team redesigned it in the first place

>>14983584
Well, first it could dip into that 100T payload rating. You know, the number that was negative in another proposal?

>>14983625
I don’t think SLS would have the cadence to do Crewed Orion AND a lander. Of course this was the original intention but I don’t see that ever happening, ever.

>>14983622
Don't worry about him, he's now with god.

>>14983625
Yeah, I realized that after I posted. Falcon 1 / New Shitbird is kind of the "demo generation" for both, but BO still hasn't put one single atom into orbit yet, and won't until ULA lights Jeff's engine on their new rocket.

Is Alpaca-FH an option?
I really like the idea of a fixed-price lockmart lander better, however, I do not want a lander that will require SLS, New Glenn, or Vulcan. I want BO to have absolutely ZERO involvement with Artemis even if it’s just booster engines on a vulcan

kek imagine coming here every day to post bad faith concern trolling about elon
but i guess its to be expected

>>14983640
Its always an option, if they plan on working with SpaceX but I doubt they have any plans to work with SpaceX

>>14983627
It's really sad. A cheap-ish small cargo lander sounded like a good idea to me.

>>14983648
>cheap
literally every other option is 100x more expensive than starship and about 1/100th as capable

>>14983646
I don't think Lockmart would have any qualms with simply choosing the lowest cost launch.

>>14983652
it'd be fucking over ULA but it's not like they haven't done that plenty of times before

>>14983652
I’m pretty sure they’d be contractually obligated to have “preference” on Vulcan

>>14983651
>other option is 100x more expensive than starship
kind of delusional. HLS is going to be very expensive simply because rapid reuse is going to take a while to work.
Starship can only ever be below 50M$ per launch if it gets reused a whole lot.

>>14983652
ULA is Lockheed+Boeing's child. So they'll go to ULA first, then BlueOrigin next because of their partnership.

>>14983657
who gives a fuck, the contact has already gone through and NASA is paying pennies on the dollar for Moonship compared to every other option

>>14983657
it’s already cheap even without reuse number fudging. Cope

>>14983659
Sure but I want to keep it realistic.
Nasa is NOT going to utilize 100 tons of downmass for less refueling and more margin.
And additionally the landings are going to cost hundreds of millions for just the flights without considering R&D.

>>14983284

>>14983657
50M is still 1% of $4.1 billion.

Even if Starship costs $200M, thats' 5% of $4.1B. Heck, even if it cost $500M, its still 12%.

>>14983663
True. I think 20T is realistic, while utilizing the 80T extra for fuels for potential return.

I'm not a violent person but God help anyone who says "wen hop" instead of "hop when" in my presence.

wen hopp??

>>14983429
*around 2023

https://www.blueorigin.com/blue-moon/artemis-lander/
Kek they took down the National Team website

>>14983706
>Follow Blue Origin's pursuit of our nation's historic mission for sustained lunar presence.
*crickets*

>>14983551
>>14983559
How new are you? You didnt actually think we needed Orion did you?

>>14983679
You have to go back

>>14983712
Shut the fuck up don’t act like HLS’s dV to get back to LEO is suddenly something everyone knew this whole time
It’s been argued ever since spacex won

Have any studies been made about SLS/Orion alternatives for Lunar exploration?

>>14983484
Dumb fucker. Elon was not running Starbase. Gwynne took over from that Indian dude

>>14983717
the bridenstine stack

>>14983716
do you have any source saying SS can make it back from the moon?

>>14983722
No dumbass my point is that this is not known
And then berger goes and published an article today claiming it as a possibility (aka new information, this is the first time it seems to have been “confirmed” as possible)

>>14983722

>>14983616
the silence is defeaning. not a good look from NASA

>>14983706
is this the end of the arc?

>>14983728
>the science is deafening

>>14983503
>>14983500
>>14983499
Why do incels here get so assblasted if people are not constantly sucking Elon's dick?

>>14983749
>incel
Try again.

>>14983749
Open your mouth and receive

>>14983641
>bad faith concern trolling
How deluded are you if his behavior doesn't concern you? It's bad for SpaceX and him in the long run

Static fire soon

or spin prime

>>14983476
If they know it's going to happen, wouldn't it be a RSD not a RUD?

>>14983749
It's garbage copy and pasted from the Ars Technica article as flamebait. Kill yourself, retard.

>>14983764
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjEjt1XLs8E

>>14983539
I will laugh eternally if this comes true, I predicted this btw. I still think this is the only way a manned landing happens before 2025, and is the most obvious course of action, proceeding in parallel with efforts to crew-rate Starship for later Artemis missions.
>>/sci/thread/S14767137#p14772699

>>14983484
>IMHO
Why do you reddit fags have to use so many abbreviations for unnecessary things.

>>14983781
>I predicted this btw
I think we all wanted this from the very beginning but it has a lot to do with HLS’s actual dV once it’s finalized, as well as NASA’s willingness to sideline SLS to just a few cargo launches for Gateway (and sidelining Orion completely)
the former part could be a possibility. The latter part is a big if

>>14983549
Homer Hickam will always be awesome

>>14983798
If HLS and Starship progress smoothly and NASA drags their feet trying to integrate SLS and Orion into it there is a real possibility of a private party funding and executing a moon mission based off starship + dragon architecture. Especially if things start stretching into the late 2020s.

http://www.astronautix.com/r/rd-270m.html
KINOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>14983797
stop replying to bait
see
>>14983772

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/14/spacex-just-bought-a-big-ad-campaign-on-twitter-for-starlink.html
>SpaceX just bought a big ad campaign on Twitter for Starlink
>Elon Musk’s aerospace business SpaceX just ordered one of the larger advertising packages available from Twitter, which Musk recently took over in a contentious, $44 billion deal.
>The campaign is to promote the SpaceX satellite internet service, Starlink, in Australia and Spain.
>The ad package, known as a “takeover” at Twitter, typically costs $250,000 or more for brands advertising on the social media platform.
6d chess

>>14983816
>big ad campaign
>$250K
LMAO

I was thinking it might be few millions or billions, but $250K is nothing. Thats like buying 1 Tesla Plaid and hiring a driver for a year to drive around the states with Starlink banner

Didn't Elon say we "could" have had an orbital test by summer 2021? And he said it in 2021? Or am I tripping?

For the zillionth time I see a NSF livestream on my YouTube and the nerds are again masturbating over a potential static fire. Jesus Fucking Christ!

Oribtal test never.

>>14983822
FAA wants more security

>>14983822
We could have been a man on Mars if not for the FAA, FCC, SEC, and Biden Administration.

>>14983823
Yeah, not a big science guy myself, but every now and then I liked to check in here to see how SpaceX is doing. But it feels like an eternity since something has actually happened?

Not trying to be rude or troll anyone btw, but it might sound like it.

>>14983822
Unironically in December / January.

>>14983252
If we had one more flight it would have worked.

>>14983829
For a year FAA delayed launch license due to environmental reviews. During those time, SpaceX built up infrastructure instead. Once env review was finished, SpaceX decided to finished out the buildout of infrastructure before attempting orbital launch. But they still dont have launch license, whats taking them so long to get it? FAA wants more security, so SpaceX needs to do slow/methodical testing campaign instead of rapid test/launch campaign. Each set back in slow methodical testing requires more actions from SpaceX/FAA putting more restrictions.

>>14983829
doomers won

SIREN!!!!

>>14983834
not only that,it would have truly assblasted the usa. imagine what chuck yeager would have tweeted

>>14983822
>and the nerds are again masturbating over a potential static fire
idk if you are trolling, but i feel kinda the same way. lots of tank watchers losing their minds over the trillionth road closure notification or overpressure notice that mary shares, just like it's been happening almost every single day for the past 2-3 years, so tiring. I'm not gonna hold my breath until Starship lifts off from the launchpad.

>>14983574
>But Senators dont like it.
It's too late, Starship HLS is already funded. If they canceled the entire Artemis program right now, Elon could go to the moon with private astronauts with no NASA involvement. That would humiliate Congress worse than canceling SLS.

>>14983829
Think of it like the construction of a house. Foundations and bricks are laid very quickly but finishing the interior is a quite lengthy and boring process. Early prototypes proved that the concept works but they have yet to finish the whole launch site to make the orbital flight possible. Part of that finally allowed for the Booster static fire on the orbital stand.

>>14983844
They can still pull it. Just like they did with FCC pulling Starlink funding because Starlink didn't meet the speed requirements that they're supposed to reach in 5 years

HOW MANY ENGINES?
Place your bets:

Static fire in 7 minutes

>>14983852
Spin cycle priming on 3.

>>14983852
34

Employees are also watching

>>14983852
All of 'em (exploding that is)

>>14983852
17

>>14983852
16

>>14983852
Outer 20 or inner 13

>>14983863
inner 13 is what was spin primed.
gonna be that

EXPLOSION

Do these guys ever shut the fuck up?

>>14983351
I hope space gymnastics turn into a competitive category in the future, this is so cool.

Who let a fucking vampire onto the space station

>it's only a static fire if we see fire
please god kill me

16 (L2 confirmed)

>>14983871
Wrong, it's most likely the inner ring >>14983864

>>14983867
>>14983870
>listening to NSF
ngmi

>>14983873
Nope

daily scrub

they're really dragon it out

>>14983875
13+3 then?

detank incoming
this is classic texas tankwatchin
this is what you all signed up for

>>14983882
>complex shuttle style tiles
uh oh

>>14983886
I know, DOA

>>14983882
What a fucking cuckpod. It's soo tiny

oh fuck it's over

BRAAAAAAAAAP

>>14983884
I'm used to being disappointed anyways

SATURN V THRUST
WE BACK
WE GAAN

>>14983886
>>14983887
Doesn't really matter is has a total of a hundred tiles.

Holy shit. And that's not even all of its engines firing.

BAH GAWD LOOK AT THAT DUST CLOUD

Meanwhile, Elon

FLAME TRENCHES ARE FOR FUCKING POOOOOOOOSSIES

are we back?

>>14983896
Daily active users?

Wow I’m pretty confident about the orbital flight test now. Those 16 engines fired for at least 10 seconds which is enough time to clear the launch site

POWER

I wish I could see it IRL

14 engine static fire

paint it up, Juan

F for the thousands of beetles that have just vanished from this world.

>>14983900
Starship is literally the most tested rocket before it's orbital attempt ever.

>>14983905
I'm going to the orbital demo!!

>not even half her power
we're not prepared

only 14 engines? Saturn V bros we live to fight another day

>>14983913
we don't deserve starship

14 engines should be around 31MN at sea level right?

>>14983908
Seems the nitrogen water spray really helps

>>14983896

>>14983882
why does she have the black tiles on top

>>14983852
Everyone was wrong

so much fucking dust when trying to see if it's still standing, looks like i'm watching a dragon ball fight

with sound
>>/wsg/4829675

>>14983882
why are these guys working next to a dirty, stinky, smelly shoe?

>>14983931
uh, I'm retarded
>>>/wsg/4829675

>>14983930
quite rainy out there

>>14983928
at least they could've enwetted the whole area to prevent the dust

>>14983936
>sound

>>14983921
Starships Raptor 2 @ 230 ton x 14 = 3220 ton of thrust
SaturnV's F1 @ 680 ton x 5 = 3400 ton of thrust
SLS's RS26 @ 187 ton x 4 = 748 ton of thrust
Falcon Heavy Merlin 1D @ 86 tons x 27 = 2322 ton of thrust

how many weeks till orbital?

the successful light ration isn't amazing, only about 85%

>>14983905
Once it's flying regularly, I'll definitely travel to see one (and eat as much Texas barbecue as I can)

>>14983946
Max thrust happens around 30-40km when it effectively becomes a vacuum. Did any of the N-1 flights reach that far?

>>14983953
this faggot is the worst tankwatcher

SOMEONE LINK WEBM WITH SOUND

>>14983953
>>14983958
At least these aren't overdone but you can still see these weird halo artifacts from his fucking with the images settings.

>>14983822
I don’t know what the fuck the hold up with starship is. FAA seems to be dragging their feet but at the same time SeX seems to be very spooked by the number of engines they need to fire at once. Idk if this static fire campaign is going slow only because they don’t have licensing so they have time to kill, or if they’ve run into some huge problems so they are delaying giving final docs to the FAA or what. They were moving at lightning speed but this all seemed to hit a wall as soon as they landed SN15. Also all the HLS people at NASA are saying “flight this year!” but that does not seem likely.
With shotwell’s move to starbase I can only believe musk got distracted and hasn’t been giving it as much attention, and they need to get the ball rolling again.

>>14983961
Like a boomer in 2009 discovering HDR

>>14983953
I hate Ansuini and his filtered to fuck photos. wake me when cosmic perspective posts kino

>>14983962
SpaceX realized yet again that it's not that easy in rocketry.

>>14983962
They did a simultaneous 33 engine spin test and the propellant ignited in the air.

>>14983965
soon

that water deluge system is going to be doing jack shit to help when this thing is firing 33 engines

How many bush fires today?

>>14983962
It's fine. Today seemed successful so there's no reason to believe end of the year isn't on the table still.

>>14983962
so far the engine "turn on" reliability is at 90% so in the current state they can't go to orbit. I think they should just write a blog about the problems they are facing so guys on forums can solve it for them

>>14983962
You never worked on a big project right?

>>14983971
>felt it
>Port Isabel
>~5 miles away
>14 engines

Brehs....

>>14983972
It's not a water deluge faggot. It prevents the heat from reaching to the top of the OLM and prevents explosions like we had during 33 engine spin prime.

>>14983978
And this is why I deserve to be a program manager at SpaceX.

>>14983978
>engine "turn on" reliability is at 90% so in the current state they can't go to orbit
no it means you abort a few launch attempts. pseud

>>14983978
on one hand, having an armadillo aerospace-style forum would be comfy and kino and they could actually get some really good ideas from autists
On the other hand, you just know it would get flooded by NSF and twitter people making reddit tier “wen hop” “hello my fellow spitter folks!” “I love space” style posts all day every day

YESS fucking 900 fps slow mo but pretty sure the dust cloud would have obscured most of the ignition sequence

>>14983816
Also, I assumed Elon will make use of twitter to advertise his companies to control the narrative and increase user base for his other companies.

Think of $40B from Elon as investment for future of SpaceX/Tesla services that will be sold for mass market.

>>14983829
Some things are definitely happening, like the almost weekly Falcon 9 launches and all the Crew Dragon so far.

>>14983990
>Also, I assumed Elon will make use of twitter to advertise his companies to control the narrative and increase user base for his other companies.
>Think of $40B from Elon as investment for future of SpaceX/Tesla services that will be sold for mass market.
This is also not why he bought twitter. This reddit tier speculation is just cringe and painfully low iq.

It's snowing at Starbase!

>>14983994
no no don't you understand, musk acts on impulse and spent 40 billion just to ban the one guy tracking his plane. That's the entire reason.

>I think I saw this exact comment somewhere

is there a rule at nsf that all photos must be ridiculously altered? picrel from the crayola dimension

>>14983997
LMAO

>>14983997
Hopefully not damage to the engines with that concrete shower like we saw on the suborbital pad multiple times.
However with it being way higher up I think chances are good that the concrete doesn't make it up there.

>>14983988
implying SpaceX people aren't scavenging sfg and nsf forums

>>14983997
normal perspective
https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxbJR5y7bb_tUcTUIvGdKet2Q_K7XxKoml

>>14984000
Hahahah

>>14984000
No Jack and Mary used to take reasonable photos. They just hire gigasois like assuini who do it themselves

>>14984000
kek

>>14984000
these sois pay $13,000 for a camera and (actually pay for) adobe products and as soon as they discover the color sliders they never come back

>>14984003
if the rocks made it all the way to here >>14983997 chances are they made it to the engines

NSF bad

>>14984015
no brush fires?

>>14984018
seems like it

>>14984018
probably minimal due to the fire dept doing controlled burns last time it happened

Important partnership
https://youtu.be/zXLxPUCadsg

>>14984025
Ok based

>>14984025
>to boldly go where no one has gone before
Starfleet uniforms confirmed.

why can't ksp be something like this? :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY_BkHghQcI

>>14984039
The developers are retards.

>>14984039
Because it was made a decade ago.

>>14984025
Shit that’s pretty cool actually

high quality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4XzEmbdtLM

>>14984039
because simulation games sacrifice visuals for greater focus on simulating. you dumb ass

>>14984049
There's no reason to sacrifice you dumbass

>>14984050
Actually yeah there is dumbass

Readiness update

>>14984055
No. Some day a nice looking realistic space game will come about.

>>14984057
Launch in 2021 still seems plausible

>>14984058
star citizen lol

>>14984061
>realistic
kek
also it doesn't allow you to build rockets.

>>14984018
that was the starship test pad, this one is surrounded by concrete

>>14984039
that tech demo was painfully boring

>>14984039
why do new games always look so glossy?

>>14984057
Is it bad that I don’t understand this?

>>14984074
Yeah it's not hard to understand but also it's entirely made up by tank sois

>>14984080
Yeah like I get some of it but why are some bars only partially yellow? What does yellow even mean?

>>14984090
Means not done yet. Measured by how much the tankwatcher feels like it's not done yet.

>>14984090
literally a gut feeling, left meaning its over bros it’s not happening soon, right meaning close to finished

>>14984057
2 weeks readiness chart

>>14984057
I mean yeah, 33 SF, WDR, and Launch License approval are still the only real things preventing a launch.

(also another full static fire of S24 because one of the engine bells got damaged)

almost there folks

>>14984100
Biggest known risk right now is if the booster engines got damaged by concrete.
Then they need to somehow modify something to prevent that.

>>14984107
I don't understand why it is happening regardless. The whole reason the OLM has that weird bend in it is because they initially underestimated how much height they would need. And yet it is still too low obviously

>>14983882
She's so fucking cute

Next static fire?

>>14984119
you already know the answer

>>14984120
I dont :( tell me

>>14984119
no indication yet if they will stop testing and open the road. Maybe an hour, maybe next week.

I think they will do a cryo because they like to do those at random times

>>14984121
2 ceдмици

>>14984131
thanks

Depress(ing)

>>14983882
>quack

>>14984119
After they are done replacing raptors

>>14984134
(ion)

>>14984138
>then he waddled away
>waddle waddle
>then he waddled away
>waddle waddle
>then he waddled away
>waddle waddle
>till the very next delay

>bum bum bum bum bu-bu bum

>>14983869
omg, "Blindsight" is real

>>14983882
it hurts a little inside every time I see it without windows

>>14983882
Why are black tiles on the upper side?

>>14984174
Australian subcontractors.

>>14984174
it isn't that easy in spaceplanetry

>>14984057
What would an /sfg/ readiness chart look like

>>14984174
aesthetics

>>14984180

https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/11/the-oracle-who-predicted-slss-launch-in-2023-has-thoughts-about-artemis-iii/?comments=1

>Three years later, in October 2020, this same source made another pronouncement wild enough that I decided to again tweet about it. The prediction concerned NASA's forthcoming decision on a contractor to build a "Human Landing System" to take its astronauts down to the Moon as part of the Artemis Program.

>At the time, SpaceX, a Blue Origin-led "National Team," and a third bidder led by Dynetics were competing for one or two NASA contracts. The conventional thinking in the space industry was that Blue Origin would win the primary contract since it led a team of new and traditional aerospace companies and proposed a design tailored to NASA's specifications. It was thought that maybe Dynetics or SpaceX would get a secondary contract.

>Far from proposing a conventional lunar lander, SpaceX wanted to use its massive Starship vehicle as a lunar lander. This option was somewhat discounted by the space industry because Starship was an experimental, risky approach. There were also concerns that if NASA selected SpaceX, it would put Starship on the critical path for the Artemis Moon Program. This meant that for the Artemis Program to succeed, Starship had to work. And if Starship worked, it would mean that NASA had funded a rocket that was better than its own expendable and costly Space Launch System rocket.

Dragon Starship lunar mission would be so kino

>>14984196
fuck I quoted the wrong thing

>However, there is an alternative, the source suggested. NASA presently has a vehicle it has deemed safe enough to launch humans into space and back. That's SpaceX's Crew Dragon spacecraft, which launches on the rocket that owns the world record for the longest streak of successful launches—the Falcon 9. By the mid-2020s, Crew Dragon will already have launched humans into space dozens of times.

>The safest and lowest-cost means of completing an Artemis mission to the Moon, therefore, may involve four astronauts launching to a fairly high altitude in low-Earth orbit on Crew Dragon and rendezvousing with a fully fueled Starship. The astronauts would then fly to the Moon, land, and come back to rendezvous with Crew Dragon in Earth orbit. They would then splash down on Earth inside Dragon.

>This architecture is less risky because it doesn't involve launching on SLS, nor does it require two rendezvous and dockings in lunar orbit, far from Earth. The crew would only spend a couple of more days aboard Starship than they would during the existing Artemis III plan, so Starship life support should be up to the task. If you care about costs, this plan also excludes the $4.1 billion launch cost of Orion and the SLS rocket and substitutes Crew Dragon, which would be on the order of one-twentieth of the cost.

>Whether this actually happens will come down to execution—which of SLS, Orion, and Starship can demonstrate safe spaceflight?—and politics. When going before lawmakers, it will be difficult for NASA to sell a SpaceX-only lunar mission. But at some point, pragmatism may trump politics.

>>14983841
"the first time i saw an n1, i shot it down"

What's the over/under on Artemis I?

>>14984207
Definitely over budget.

>>14984207
~75% go, the first attempt was questionable since they were going in with no completed WDR, now that they at least in theory can tank the fucking rocket, they're running out of things to fuck up. Weather looks good, the storm damage is genuinely negligible, we gaan.

>>14984200
yes thank you jupiter poster, we already saw hours ago

>>14984208
kek

>>14984207
Even as recently as the last launch attempt I had that gut feeling it was going to scrub. Idk, this time I’m feeling like it will actually go. At least enough for SRB ignition. After that it’s all up to fate
What’s the TWR of the two boosters anyways? If SLS ignited both SRBs but all four SSMEs shat the bed would it pull an Astra and do a sideways kerbal shift or just drop off the pad and explode

>>14984266
US Range Officers can't wait to blow shit up, they'll pull the plug immeadieatly

>>14984269
Lol. I hope it takes all critical pad infrastructure with it. Imagine the explosion; THAT much hydrogen and oxygen, and even bigger boosters than shuttle. If you thought Challenger was crazy, just wait until big orange Challenge(d) commits to launch

Does this capsule even have a name or is NASA gay and soulless

>>14984266
>>14984269
>SSMEs shit the bed
>SLS starts flying sideways
>FTS fails
>SLS slams into and destroys the Starship tower at 39a
nothing personnel, kid

>>14983954
we probably have real data on this but playing around in kerbal i think inboard engine cutout on blok a probably happened at about 45km altitude so the fourth test flight in 1972 is your current record holder for most rocket thrust of all time

Ok realistically though I’m 90% sure if SLS failure it would be underwhelming
>SSME fails on ascent and Orion aborts after SRB sep
Something like that desu

Make sure to tune into Thunderf00t's SLS launch day stream! He doesnt do those often, it will be a real treat for you. Stream will be on his alt channel VoiceOfThunder

>>14984289
Nah whatever happens (assuming a failure) would make the thread erupt in laughter, probably even more so than the legendary astra thread. Also if Orion LES is triggered there’s almost no chance that capsule is coming back in one piece. Those SRBs are way too powerful and will fuck up the capsule no matter how fast the dinky little tower tried to pull itself away

>>14984292
Yeah, nah, I'm not giving views to this faggot, and I don't want youtube to start recommending me his shit.

>>14984299
kek if the LES is proven to not work then SLS won't be able to carry humans.
i don't believe you though that the SRBs would destroy it.

>>14984301
Why so much hate?

>>14983847
That was one rogue employee with too much power, aka the swamp.

>>14983985
You use the engines to get out of orbit too.

>>14984317
One "rogue" comissioner installed by the Biden admin to kill Starlink

>>14984289
Does Artemis I have a working LES? I know it doesn't have life support

>>14983930
>dat blue sky when the dust clears

>>14984266
SRBs are 3.6million pounds each, the total vehicle weighs 5.75 million pounds. SRBS alone should give a TWR of 1.2

ABL didn't launch today

>>14983996
...and an off-nominal something during fueling has led to a scrub. Maybe tomorrow.

>>14983970
They forgot what happens when you release a bunch of methane in the air and then ignore it.
>>14983988
don't forget all the flat-tards and posters of random JWST pics who know you'll see that their favorite star clearly has a planet around it if you look close enough

>>14984340
No gimmicks.
Just reliable,
regular launches.
You're doing great, sweetie. My cute little girl is doing great <3

>>14984307
Sorry if I’m putting words in your mouth but the problem isn’t the SRB hitting you. It’s sending the capsule through the debris field.
The concern with Ares-I was that you’d have a high likelihood of flying through the debris field of the SRB, a very corrosive mixture of PBAN and ammonium perchlorate. It would burn through your parachute chords and render them useless. SLS is the same thing as Ares but now with 2 SRBs. And there has been no certification as to whether it could actually pull away from a full stack safely. SpaceX tested their LES on a full stack F9 in launch configuration. NASA tested the Saturn LES on Little Joe but they never tested it with a full stack, as that would have been WAY too expensive. (although there was something like a 97 or 98% chance it would have been fine). Similarly SLS doesn’t have tests for the full stack and I’ve yet to see any official number on models they’ve run

>>14984347
Where does this quote come from?

>>14984355
i just got it from that lol :3

>>14984349
I still find it crazy that soyuz had that successful launch escape with MS-10 and it was really no big deal. The genius soviets who designed that rocket made it retard proof. It’s probably the only reason it even worked considering the orcish state of modern russian quality control

>>14984365
>orcish
That family-friendly insult is just silly.

>>14984355
https://ablspacesystems.com/
>RS1 is capable of launching 1,350kg of payload on demand. No over-design, no gimmicks—just reliable, regular launches.

>>14984365
Vodka and cigarettes are customary after a Soyuz escape.
For SLS it’s a cost-plus contracted state funeral and a discounted casket upgrade

>>14984370
Hehe

>>14984292
Seethe

Just to be clear this is the material in question right? Or is it that black strip under the area I circled

>>14984064
that's how they've kept the whales interested so long
>>14984266
>sideways kerbal shift
that's a dorifto, anon, do you even
>>14984340
unabl

>>14984390
I was looking at that picture earlier and had no fucking clue what I was supposed to be looking at. I think you're looking at the right part.

>>14984390
I understand weight savings, I do. On the other hand Jesus Christ oldspace capsules look like SHIT up close.

>>14984395
Damn I actually think the whole CSM setup looks way better in person (especially up close) than the renders gave credit for. All the CGI mock-ups made it look like an uncircumcised penis. It looks pretty kino in the flesh though. The rest of SLS is ugly as fuck especially the detail of the core stage and interstage when you see up close photos
truly a frankenstein rocket

>>14984266
ssme ignition and confirmed good thrust occurs before srb ignition.

>>14984340
Eric Berger: "The RS1 rocket was not abl to launch today."
>abl
cheeky

After seeing what Elon is doing with Twitter, I'm worried that SpaceX has been built on bad foundations, and at any moment it's going to fail spectacularly and set back spaceflight for decades. Please tell me I'm wrong.

>>14984403
You're wrong.

>>14984403
Fuck off

>>14984390
Not only do I not see the problem, I can't really even see the point. What is this shit supposed to be anyway?

>>14984406
Thank you.

>>14984399
shit I am an retard

I had nightmare elon musk suck my peepee. Please tell me it was just a dream

>>14984411
Ahhhh okay that is the problem then. They mentioned on the call last night how it was just generic aerospace material used to cover an “indentation” for a better flight profile. The pic you posted clearly shows what they were talking about. It was just to cover that little depression right there to help with airflow
Why the fuck didn’t they just design the piece of metal to he straight in the first place? Or at least cover it in a material that’s hurricane-proof when you’re launching off of the coast of fucking FLORIDA
retards

>>14984411
Bondo for airflow purposes.

>>14984411
Looks like SHIT
Literally seen better caulking done by mexicans. Drunk Mexicans.

>>14984301
>faggot
Wrong, he's a chemist.

>>14984411
the absolute state of SLS

>>14984421
When you're ripping someone off on work, do you do the minimum or go above and beyond?
It's fucking CAULK
LMAO

>>14984423
That's what it looks like! Some kind of spread-on rubber sealant.

>>14984411
so this is the famous alabama-caulking i keep hearing about?

https://youtu.be/sDc-yVnFlXg
15 bings

Are they gonna have to just build a fucking well under the launch mount to absorb the heat and impact for 33 engines?

>>14983913
They were probably on half thrust too, right. Less than a quarter total if that's the case.

SO if hurricane force winds, category 1, ripped that shit off how the fuck did they think it would stick when transsonic?
Inb4 muh different wind direction

>>14984430
nahhh it looks rubbery to me. Like I could pull it and it would stretch and then snap. Probably comes in sheets that they cut

>>14984441
This piece of shit was not designed with orbit as an end goal. It’s about maximizing jobs per district

>>14984442
It comes in tubes and they sell it at the dollar store

>>14984447
That'll be $450M per tube plus tip

>>14984447
>implying they didn't use an identical product but aerospace grade which cost $5000 a tube

Did they delay the SLS yet?

>>14984461
Like it's supposed to launch tomorrow right?

>>14984461
no, be awake to watch the worlds most powerful firework

>>14984461
berger says no but tune in to >>14984434 in 5 mins for specifics

>>14984403
Just saw a boomer tweet from Rick Tumlinson with those sentiments. That other failed space mining guy and serial uhhh - whatever he is.
https://twitter.com/RocketRick/status/1583431132481474565

>>14984467
Delayed by 2 hours lol

>>14984461
We're currently stuck on them delaying the briefing. Once the briefing is no longer delayed they can announce the delays for the rocket.

jamming to this music. very good bitrate it's literally a PHONE call

>>14984439
? it's fine as is, there is no damage. we are trying to conserve water
>>14984444
checked, guess was true all along

https://youtu.be/sDc-yVnFlXg
WE ARE LIVE

LAUNCH TOMORROW
WE GAAAAAAAN

>>14984469
inspirational speaker, o'neillian shill. branson, bezos, musk, branson, bezos, musk, branson, bezos, musk...

>>14984477
I thought we gaan on 16th?

WE ARE GOING

>>14984481
tomorrow is 16th

>launch is at 1AM bongtime
Should I even bother?

>>14984481
1 AM on the 16th, practically tomorrow (15th)

>>14984486
anon..

>>14984487
01:04 EST is 06:04 GMT

>A strip of that material, uh, was removed
NIGGA THE WHOLE THING PEELED OFF

>>14984476
Did you miss the concrete raining down for hundreds of feet?

>>14984486
>>14984489
delusional

>>14984493
Fuck, that's what I meant. It's been a long day

>>14984482
pure evil

if we launch 16th, we get to moon on 19th? like apollo?

>please limit it to one question
>Umm hi yes, two questions for you!

Cost-plus pepto bismol

what if it hits the rocket

>>14984512
Bro I love drinking that stuff

>>14984516
N

wait what, so SLS is launching before Starship?

>>14984523
yes. if sls gets delayed again so will starship

innercryumpropulsive stage

>>14984521
N....ice?

>>14984454
Reminder of the time NASA used million dollar aerospace grade fireworks for the hydrogen sparklers, which were like a hundred dollars off the shelf.

Where is Eric Berger? Is he gonna ask them about The Prophet?

>liberation of RTV material

That woman journo was obnoxious

HELLO! OMG! TEEHEE! Oh! Am I live? Oh!! Ahaha yes umm omg hello have you seen the movie groundhog day? XD

new audit just dropped

>>14984543
exciting!

Everyone is obsessed with the RTV, but some random unrelated bullshit is going to what fucks it up calling it now.

>>14984538
>>14984541
cute

>>14984525
Still waiting for someone to explain how the FAA is keeping SpaceX from doing a full static fire

they arent gonna call on berger are they

>>14984554
This is always the case assuming a rational actor assessing risk.
Elon said this also, all the Starship failures that happened were not on the risk list otherwise they would have been mitigated.

>>14983930
The camera couldn't bear to stay pointed up at the booster. Superheavy commanded it to kneel.
How many spectators will be involuntarily driven to their knees by the orbital test?

>>14984000
kekked and chekked

>>14984556
she was a bull dyke

>>14984017
das rite

>>14984526
kek

>>14984554
Something weird is gonna go wrong and kill Artemis 1

>What does your gut tell ya?

>>14984577
A small, but substantial, piece of rock hard frozen orange foam will bounce down the side of the rocket on launch. It will, by pure chance, impact near the SRB joint, weakening an already suspect o ring and joint. The rocket will explode before srb staging.

OMOGGOGMGOGMOGMG
CHRISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Dude is down so bad he can’t even answer a lighthearted question with a laugh

>ars is running the meme story that spacex dropped a ton of money on twitter
why does berger work there again? the site has become little better than reddit at this point.

Such a gay voice, it’s unbelievable really

>>14984577
The ghost of challenger will rise from the deep and directly impact the north srb. it was a tragic accident, until the ghost of columbia was seen reentering, impacting the south srb. at that moment we knew we were under attack

>>14984595
no bulli

>>14984174
reparations

>>14984592
Its that same tech guy that writes stories about Starlink/Musk/Tesla being fake/gay all the time.

The entierity of Ars, except Berger's contribution, is leftoid trash

>>14984207
over promise under deliver

Did Berger ask a question already?

>>14984577

>advantages of hydrologgs
lmao

>why are you using hydrogen
that is the question

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAH
>this vehicle is optimized for putting mass… around… the Moon.
>can’t even reach the lunar south pole under its own power

x-37b got an upgrade?

>Among the photos released by Space Force after the conclusion of the OTV-6 mission is one that’s especially interesting, since it shows the ring-shaped service module attached to the rear of the X-37B. This was the first mission that saw the service module fitted and an accompanying statement explains that it “[expands] the number of experiments that can be hosted during a mission.”
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/details-about-x-37b-payload-adapter-revealed-after-record-setting-mission

>>14984344
my favorite star has several planets around it, most of which are visible to the naked eye