/sci/ - Science & Math

First for fuck earthers.

SLS is fucked

>>14975191
>generic /sfg/ thread is generic
yawn

“Do you expect me to launch?”
No agent orange, I expect you to die

>>14975198
Remember when /space general/ used to hate Berger because the fags swallowed the NASA pill?

>>14975199
>new heatshield tests in orbit
>Cygnus was captured
>Final Atlas launch from Vandenberg
>RFA revealed its new second stage
>40th anniversary of STS-5
>56th anniversary of Gemini XII

>>Mars Colonization Project edition

Am I a petty shit for hoping the SLS pulls a N1?

>>14975199
>t. Soviet simp

>>14975208
>t. muskrat
refer to >>14975205, and tell me which part was a Soviet launch

>>14975206
Nah, but I think everybody praying it fails are overlooking the multiple-year gap NASA will take after it to review what happened

If SLS blows up there's no moon landing until the 2030s at the earliest even if Starship is visiting Mars by then

>>14975210
Muskbros like Soviet rocketry, he's just the pop sci retard.

>>14975205
>new heatshield test
meh
>Cygnus was captured
meh
>Final atlas
meh
>RFA revealed
meh
>40th anniversary of
meh
>56th anniversary of
meh


They're all boring topics

>>14975206
I know I am. The lower altitude the better.

>>14975212
There's no *SLS moon landing. You really think Elon or Rocket Mommy won't slap together HLS for some tourist?

As a bonus it won't have the insufferable mantra about women and PoCs of color making history blah blah blah.

>>14975205
How do you autists know that today is the 53rd anniversary of the Kosmos 2652 satellite?

>>14975217
>WOWZERS! They're testing engine #3825 today, and another booster test is on its way!
You know what's more boring? A rocket that doesn't fly

>>14975225
You're delusional buddy.

>>14975224
Next Spaceflight's app shows all launches that happened today
And today is actually the anniversaries of Kosmos 21, 377, 866, 1420, 1508, and 1895

>>14975226
Two weeks?

A replica marsbase should be made for monkeys sent ro mars to see how similar mamals fare, they shall be trained from birth by and sent to mars with super Ai robots

>>14975212
>there's no moon landing until the 2030s
Excuse me

>>14975233
Anything could happen, but China needs a MUCH bigger rocket to get people to the moon and they literally just canceled the LM9

Physically claiming land on other celestial bodies is epic, utilizing it too as in asteroids, hopefully it's not just all highly radioactive

>>14975237
I think with FaiQuon heavy they will be daijobu

>>14975191
Instead of Mars, OP pic should be Earth. Why are we living in ugly and retarded very old buildings when we could live in pic related

>>14975263
We can do that after WW3

>>14975202
A lot of people didn't like Berger because he was spitting gossip, now granted his gossip is almost always correct, but a lot of people don't like gossipers. It's the same thing with that Jew who breaks all sorts of stories concerning video games. No one likes him because all he does is gossip, but he also has good sources.

>>14975288
Berger has a high accuracy rating tho.

Once is luck
Twice is coincidence
Thrice is a pattern

Berger isn't spitting gossips, he's spitting facts. People just refused to believe it because SLS cock is down their throat.

>>14975293
He is. I am not saying otherwise, but Berger really likes to post what he is told/hears on Twitter and presents it as gossip between two or more people, which it is. A lot of the people in the old generals got mad that he didn't just write long ass, time wasting articles for ArsTechnica. I still remember the various journalistic integrity tier lists people used to make and they always put him (and Foust) near or at the bottom because everything he says sounds like rumor mongering, like being the key word.

>>14975297
Turns out both him/Foust were right, and the old space general fags were retards

>>14975264
Unironically this. We were able to live the dream in the 80s-90s because of the ww2.

>>14975198
he's getting too cocky

>>14975293
this is a long conversation and I don’t want to mass reply to everyone. But I just want to get the history straight. Berger has always had good news. I think, up until recently, he was a pretty big suck up. He always had great contacts and exclusive interviews but he always tried to paint space flight as some happy go lucky industry. It wasn’t until around the time of the first green run (where he donned his BO hat) that he really just gave up and started shit talking everyone. Granted he is still somewhat of a “I love space!” suck up, but now he’s not afraid to say things like ‘ESA is falling behind’ or ‘SLS is a pig program’ or ‘spacex has XXX problem according to my source’
He’s way more based now than he was in the past and I think a lot of it has to do with him getting black pilled at some point. Probably when SLS fucked up the greenrun when he expected that fucker to launch already

>>14975324
Berger hate was years ago when Berger was bringer of SLS bad news. Its atleast 5+ years old. Only after /sfg/ was formed due to Starship, that Berger hate died down where the fags slowly understood that Berger was right all along.

See >>14975198

>>14975308
If there is a risk of a serious structural issue, a roll back and destacking isn't out of the question. If NASA has to take the whole thing apart to put its pieces under a microscope 2024 isn't impossible.

>>14975308
Just kill it. Please.

>>14975308
Yet somehow it will still launch before starship
And no this isn’t an FAA schizo post. This is a “spacex has halted their damn gears” post

>>14975308
I want to commit war crimes against the VAB at this point

>>14975334
Okay.
Faggot. Monkey.

>>14975338
A hurricane typed this

>>14975308
If they say Summer 2023 then 2024 is confirmed since no one would be so stupid to try and launch this disaster in the Summer.

>>14975349
Why not?

Pretty fucking insane how the Saturn V’s upper stages were hydrogen considering how fast they needed the giant rocket to be made, how little experience anyone had with handling it much less making an engine for it, and von braun’s personal attitude towards it
The safe bet would have been an all-kerolox launcher. Or upper stage hypergolics I guess lol
https://history.nasa.gov/SP-4404/ch12-6.htm
CTRL+F ‘braun’ if you’re autistic and bored this is a pretty interesting read

>>14975308
sls is probably the worst big project i've seen the government handle. like nothing else comes close to how bad it is.

>>14975368
hahhahhhaa

>>14975308
>guys, SLS will launch in October... I mean November... oops, that will be the next November
>what do you mean by Artemis III in 2024?
>Artemis I will launch in 2024!
This is no longer embarrassing. It's pathetic.

at this rate long march 9 will launch before sls

>>14975393
At this rate starship gigaheavy will have its first OFT before SLS

>>14975387
at least it got used

>>14975387
>Boeing shares closed at $177.58 (+$8.84, +5.24%) on Nov 10, 2022
>T-6 days and counting until Artemis 1 launch to the Moon
SLS is cost-plus so another delay requiring rework/rebuild should mean more revenue for Boeing

>>14975409
Boeing is actually pretty good stock. Up to $180 per share from $120 a few weeks ago

>>14975409
It's also at the same price it was in early 2017, having a slightly larger market cap than SpaceX
pretty abysmal stock actually, wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole

>>14975410
meant to reply to you

>>14975418
>>14975417
Yeah lol I saw their performance since the start of the year. Ouch, they’re down from $220.

>>14975417
I'd rather own Space-X but it isn't public yet

>>14975391
I bet they knew it can never launch, so they put it out into the hurricane in the hopes they can blame the weather on doing it in.

>>14975428
I'm immensely jealous of the employees who already have shares, pre-IPO SpaceX stock is an absolute golden ticket

>>14975417
>It's also at the same price it was in early 2017
Well we all know why that happened. Still Boeing is pretty much too big to fail. They should have more than enough runway to get their plane business and defense business unfucked eventually.

It really pissed me that Musk wasted $44B for fucking Twitter instead of space exploration.

>>14975455
Not like those 44bil were real money

>>14975459
It was real money after Musk selling tesla shares for cash.

>>14975455
Yeah me too. And it looks like Twitter will die soonish

>>14975362
That's such a weird story. A slick-talking Jew managed to con everyone into making the rocket his way without any technical specifications or means of addressing the concerns that the others had.

>>14975455
>t. brainlet who doesnt understand how loans work

>>14975455
twitter is(will be) SpaceX's propaganda arm

>>14975469
>A muskrat doesn't know how capital works

>>14975480
>muskrat
and fucking proud of it mate

>>14975455
the lazy concern trolling has gotten boring

>>14975432
Just like a mother trying to drown her autistic son in the bathtub

>>14975324
>he always tried to paint space flight as some happy go lucky industry.
>He’s way more based now than he was in the past and I think a lot of it has to do with him getting black pilled at some point.

>>14975455
Musk can raise all the money he needs with a SpaceX IPO. Maybe the problems with Twitter will force him to do a SpaceX IPO sooner rather than later.

>>14975308
Always bet on Berger Boy.
https://nitter.it/SciGuySpace/status/1590766575602520064#m

>>14975225
>A rocket that doesn't fly

>>14975368
>he doesn't know about the LCS, yucca mountain complex, or the space shuttle's original plans

>>14975397
at this rate, New Armstrong will launch before SLS

>>14975330
>If NASA has to take the whole thing apart to put its pieces under a microscope 2024 isn't impossible.
If NASA has to do this 2027 is more likely.

At this point NASA should just declare the SLS totaled by the storm, remove the expensive Orion and ICPS, install a mass simulator and then just launch the damn thing to gather engineering data and build some confidence in the rocket. Even if it fails they'll know a lot more than they did before and they can use that knowledge to iterate towards a better rocket.

>>14972506
that's the one, thanks anon

>>14975645
>remove the expensive Orion and ICPS
That could take at least a year all by itself, maybe three.
We need to launch it to find out what's in it.

>>14975536
I'm sorry that happened to you anon

SLS will come out miraculously unharmed.
/sfg/ will seethe.
NASA will reach their launch window and the launch will go on without a hitch.
American boots back on the moon by 2028.

>>14975745
>SLS will come out miraculously unharmed.
After a 6-month inspection :)

I'm so fucking jaded, nothing I was looking forward to in 2021-22 has come true yet
>Starship moves at breakneck pace and is set to do orbital tests in 2021
>duhhhh nevermind make that 2022, have a static fire :^)
>actually it's 2023 suck a dick
>SLS is still SLS, why has NASA been like this ever since the Shuttle's retirement? That thing was such a beautiful goddamn mess, but most importantly it regularly flew.
>Falcon heavy is a fucking dead end
>ISS is facing end of its life soon and the only ones taking the helm are the chinks in their bugbox
I was promised a second space race, not this Mickey Mouse clown bullshit.

>>14975263
zoning laws

>>14975263
I don't believe anyone who finds your pic appealing experiences qualia.

>>14975748
If Starship is moving so slowly why don't you stop whining in a thread nobody reads, and apply as a talent recruiter for SpaceX?

>>14975748
>ISS
see CDFF
https://news.northropgrumman.com/news/releases/northrop-grumman-signs-agreement-with-nasa-to-design-space-station-for-low-earth-orbit

I'm working HLS but CDFF is a big program

Starbay, SpaceY
https://youtu.be/cMSEm-dbTCQ?t=158

>>14975659
Give SpaceX the contract to remove the current payload and build/install the mass simulator in SLS. I bet they would get the whole thing done in a couple of weeks.

>>14975761
How about you suck my cock big boy

>>14975771
Maybe you should stop waiting, and actually do something related to Spaceflight - and more relevant - SpaceX. If you're a useless sack of shit, at least apply for an internship.

>>14975777
>tells me to be a talent recruiter
>starts saying I should apply for SpaceX internship
Hmmmmmmmmm

>>14975781
https://boards.greenhouse.io/spacex/jobs/6477324002?gh_jid=6477324002

You really should think before posting. This is a high context environment.

>>14975191
This tranny just plagiarized Surviving Mars

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-telescope-moon-rocket-named-time-inventions-of-2022

Starship Sisters... WHAT HAPPENED?!?!?

fell asleep yesterday. How'd the 13 engine static go?

>>14975434
look up efficient market hypothesis

>>14975881
Retard.

>>14975850
>both are pieces of obsolete hardware

>>14975850
Hahaha
>But when NASA’s new Space Launch System (SLS) thunders off the pad, six engines will generate 8.8 million lbs (4 million kgs) of power.
>when
>will generate

>human exploration of the moon (under the new Artemis program) and Mars, as well as robotic missions to Saturn and Jupiter.
>robotic missions to Saturn and Jupiter

>scheduled for launch in November.

I could literally go on and greentext the every sentence of the paragraph. The SLS is a farce.

>>14975964
>The Biggest Rocket Ever
Why do they lie?

>>14975466
Yes but even more fascinating they actually managed to get a hydrolox engine working in only like 4 years, AND it could restart. Truly an amazing generation of engineers.
I went down this rabbit hole because I was trying to find von braun’s thoughts on a hydrolox first stage. I know he had some overlap with the shuttle program (meaning he lived long enough to see NASA axe his Saturn program in favor of a shuttle) and he was vocal against centaur in favor of agena. But I couldn’t find any direct quotes of his against shuttle.

>>14975455
space is fake and even if it weren't it's mostly empty and you will never go there

>>14975969
This is their job.

>>14975466
Who?

>>14975969
Where does is say biggest rocket ever? All I read is the usual most powerful rocket ever (which it is)

>>14976002
Shittle was supposed to exist alongside a lunar base, martian base, a nuclear shuttle/ferry, and multiple space stations - but then the Apollo budget was revoked and they all had to fight for scraps. Eager has a good video on this under one of his explanations for shittle.

>>14976027
I’ll check it out, I haven’t watched an eager beaver video on quite a while

>>14975955
JWST will only be obsolete when something better launches, and there is literally nothing planned or proposed which could trump it's main capabilities.

>>14976033
https://youtu.be/u-qUrV6Odrw
Here it is.
>>14976035
Isn't LUVOIR under construction right now?

>>14975850
overcompensating for giving Elon person of the year last year

>>14976035
Proposed? yes, but nothing better than JWST will fly in the next decade and maybe even two decades. the new ground based telescopes will be better in certain aspects

>>14976042
>Isn't LUVOIR under construction right now?
No. IROUV (as the decadal called it) probably won't start serious development until after Roman launches. It's also not a replacement for JWST, it will only work up to 1.8 microns in wavelength like Hubble. It will be blind to most of JWSTs range. This is what I meant by main capabilities. Also the decadal only asked for 6 meters, which isn't really an increase in JWST.
In the original LUVOIR schedule it wouldn't actually start fabrication (phase C) until 2029, and that was way too optimistic.

>>14975225
you mean the SLS? couldn't agree with you more

>>14976051
There's nothing seriously proposed either. The 4 flagship concepts for the decadal did not cover JWSTs range. Concepts like LUVOIR and Oigins cover different wavelength ranges and cannot replace it's high redshift science. And nothing similar was submitted to ESA's Voyage 2050, only a wide field survey mission for early galaxies. It wasn't selected.

>>14975263
boomers

>>14975263
fuck off, urbanite

https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/11/rocket-report-indian-commercial-rocket-has-launch-date-branson-must-face-lawsuit/
>Andrew Parsonson of European Spaceflight reported that the company is working on a larger, RFA One Max rocket. Parsonson said the design would add another ring of Helix engines to the first stage, increasing the maximum thrust significantly. If all goes well, this rocket could be ready for its debut flight toward the end of 2025. Of course, when does anything ever go right in the development of new rockets? Rarely.
new meme rocket just dropped

>>14976026
All it has to do is launch before Starship.
One. Job.

>>14975577
spacex going public would kill it

>>14976072
IROUV isn't LUVOIR. Didn't the decadal mix combine two proposals

>>14976072
>>14976042
Found on Twitter. The green monster. IROUV (Habex+LUVOIR) is already not looking like it can meet the 2045 launch, it hasn't even started yet. Spreading the cost further isn't free either, as we've seen with JWST a 2 year delay is 1 billion.
Can you imagine how fucked it would look for 15 meter LUVOIR? They serious claimed it could be done by 2040.

>>14976096
The helix engine is pretty neat as far as small sat launchers go.

>>14976110
I didnt say it was, but it's basically just LUVOIR-B lite. 6 meters down from 8 m. Given that it doesn't have a starshade and probably will be segmented IROUV doesn't really take much from Habex, other than the smaller size.

>>14976096
https://twitter.com/AndrewParsonson/status/1590325501230399488
supposedly looks something like this

>>14975324
The only annoying thing nowadays that keeps him in Berger tier (can't find the tier list pic unfortunately) is that he's an absolute pussy about writing about non-technical issues at SpaceX because he's afraid to lose the access he needs for his books, otherwise you're pretty much right. He tends to doom a bit much about SLS, but it's not like that's not earned.

>>14975212
wrong
continual old space failure that’s too spectacular for the public to ignore, combined with their importance to national defense being rendered obsolete by new space successes, is the only thing that can destroy the old space-lobbyist-politician-pork-subsidized employee voter complex

there can be no excuse for them if we ever want to leave Dirt

>>14976216
Yeah it would be the best for everyone if SLS actually blew up, but unfortunately, Boing! still got 82bil USD under the name of a super secret corporation instead of SpaceX. SpaceX has to do this their way with their own affordable model or Mars isn't an option, because fucking oldspace is a cancer that is too far in the host.
You're not getting rid of oldspace.

you all want SLS to blow up but aren't offering an explanation on how exactly the Starship moonlanding is gonna happen without it

>>14976234
Just ride out there on the Moonship, not like there isn't extra room for snacks.
>inb4 "how do they get back"
Not my problem, the moon is their home now.

>>14976234
A Starship human rating. Eager did a video on this, safety margins for Starship is way better than SLS, given redundancies in place inherent in the design. Do this basic research yourself, NASA cocksucker.

>>14976243
The real question is why would they want to come back? No one has offered an explanation on that

>>14976247
Imagine standing on the moon and thinking "wow I can't wait to get back down to Earth and go shopping at walmart, buy a lotto ticket, sit in traffic and watch garbage television on my couch again!"
Only an E*rther would willingly go back down the well.

>>14975577
SpaceX as a public company has no incentive to go to Mars, or innovate at all. They can monopolize the space launch market with just F9. Even if they were feeling ambitious/greedy/risk tolerant, they only need to finish making Starship and then they could monopolize all space flight and take a large share of the terrestrial communication, transportation and logistics industries. Going to Mars isn’t intended to be profitable (at the very least not within decades).

>>14976245
Starship has no abort capability during launch (I'm pretty sure the Raptors can't start up in time for an abort if they even have enough thrust to pull away quickly enough, which they probably don't), SLS does. The actually doable alternative is Dragon to LEO and developing Grey Dragon or Orion on something that isn't SLS if you really want Gateway.

>>14976026
It’s in the headline and in the image, you gay retard

>>14975455
It's all the FAA's fault. If they hadn't dragged out their bullshit review, Musk would have kept playing with his rockets and not have been bored enough to buy a website just to troll liberals. Combined with the fire delaying prototype launches means he has little else to do for the rest of this year.

>>14976207
Yeah I agree with this. I think he’s not afraid to shit on BO because there are many employees there who hate it enough to give him the scoops anyways. But with SeX it’s definitely a much finer edge. Musk unfollowed berger and stopped replying to him at one point and it spooked him

>>14976268
>no abort capability during launch
https://youtu.be/5ENzG3917Y4
https://youtu.be/ZBNRomi0kWY
Starship has better safety margins than SLS. Your whataboutism doesn't work. I hope your penis is gored by a wild shitbull, that is what you deserve by supporting such a cancerous industrial complex.

>>14976234
SpaceX Wyvern capsule atop a falcon heavy. It would literally take spacex less than a year to design some upgraded dragon that could hang around the Moon for a month.
>inb4 it would be too heavy to bring up a capsule and a service module
Two expendable falcon heavy launches with orbital assembly of your C/SM would still be millions of times cheaper and more reliable than relying on a single SLS

>>14976207
biden will appoint a fat black womam to be nasa administrator (lori garver) and trump will fire jim bridenstine

>>14976268
You’ve got to be a retard to think orion trying to jettison away with two giant shuttle SRBs exploding right behind it wouldn’t be in vain
Everyone cried about Ares-I safety margins. SLS is the same thing but even more dangerous

>>14975455
Do you really think he gives a fuck about anything other than himself?
This is the worlds greatest manager by the way

>>14975469
He literally liquidated $4 billion in Tesla stock last week. How many SLSs can you get with that money?

>>14976247
>>14976255
Unbelievably based.
I too am a temporarily embarrassed space colonist.

>>14976307
SLS is ready to fly. Guess how many Starships you can get? I'll help you: ZERO

>>14976108
What? You don't really think that getting thousands of short sighted back-seat drivers would ever harm a company with long term goals, do you?

>>14976312
>ready to fly
>hasn’t flown once after decades
>may actually RUD on launch after its pre-launch conditions go completely off script and they start ad libbing
>God sends Egypt-tier plagues
>still has massive technology milestones ahead of it despite scavenging existing technology
okay, retard

>>14976312
This post is extremely low-quality and gay

>>14976298
>You’ve got to be a retard to think orion trying to jettison away with two giant shuttle SRBs exploding right behind it wouldn’t be in vain
it wouldn't. The capsule would escape successfully

it would literally be cheaper for SpaceX to develop a deepscape capsule and launch it on FH than heave Orion launching on SLS

>>14976367
This is also true. Even ignoring how NASA's own safety margin system states Starship would be extremely safe, it would indeed be cheaper to just use FH to launch a SpaceX capsule designed for deep space missions- something that Polaris is designed to investigate. In fact, it was even seriously proposed to launch Orion on FH, but that never happened for obvious reasons.
Just don't argue with the actual retard, he doesn't belong on this side of the internet.

What are some times when it actually was that easy in rocketry?

>>14976383

>>14976380
>In fact, it was even seriously proposed to launch Orion on FH, but that never happened for obvious reasons.
I thought FH was too weak to send it to the moon

>>14976286
Good videos, but I was talking about during launch (pad abort and abort ASAP in the first video) exclusively. Good to know that Starship would have the TWR, but only really with 9 engines which we haven't seen yet and again, he doesn't even bring up engine spin up time which I consider the biggest issue as well as the question of whether the rather low separation speed that Starship would be capable of would be enough to get away quickly enough. He does bring up the issue of having to burn off excess propellant before landing, though, which I forgot to add to my post but is rather janky as well.
>supporting such a cancerous industrial complex.
Work on your reading comprehension, retard, I suggested an alternative that is viable without new crew certifications besides HLS and uses only SpaceX hardware and another that would require new development but still can use only SpaceX hardware if wanted (besides Gateway).

>>14976298
While NASA thinks this won't be an issue with SLS, it doesn't even matter, because my post was about capability. Orion can at least attempt a launch abort in pretty much all cases, Starship may in some, but likely can't in most.

>>14976367
Exactly what I was referring to in my post.

>>14976387
>he fell for the pendulum rocket meme

>>14976393
Maybe, maybe not. That's what Bridenstine ended up saying, but it's a bit of an open question how much of that is actual numbers and how much kow-towing to Shelby. It might also be possible to work around it with kickstages and shit, don't remember if those conclusions were about the FH-ICPS Bridenstack and what further options it would have, either.

>>14976387
>>14976399
Why did he think this was going to work? I get that rocketry was still in its infancy but this is like designing a prototype bicycle with square wheels and the seat affixed to the handlebars. I don't see what the idea here was.

>>14976393
It'd probably still be cheaper than SLS to develop a complementary LEO depot on top of that.

>>14976410
>I don't see what the idea here was.
He thought it would keep the rocket straight.

He realized the problem and corrected in later designs.

>>14976404
maybe we can drill holes in Orion to make it lighter?

>>14976394
>I suggested an alternative that is viable
I don't give a shit, that's just on your word, and it is not something that nobody is taking seriously or *really* considering, even in the case of a cascading SLS schedule-impacting failure. Your concerns are back-seat opinions, and frankly, they are embarrassing.
The answer to the original question was "Starship certifications" but you just have a massive spergout with a non-sequitur that nobody asked or cared about.
The logical conclusion was ALWAYS in human rating the Starship, this would be an obvious immediate choice in case SLS went boom and fucked up the schedule.

>>14975191
These are the new laws of physics, we're going to need them for space flight.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TechnologyAndAliens/comments/ypzufg/the_space_war/

Business idea. Put foldable wings on starship to make it safer

>>14976394
I think if SS exploded a la columbia from a failed heat shield then oh well. That’s an acceptable loss. But I do agree that it would be very gay to make it all the way to the moon or mars only to die during landing because of raptor problems or something. Even if some crew escape system failed and you were still killed at least there was a chance you were part of the 1%’s 1%.
And I totally understand the justification for spacex/starship having good enough reliability to not need a LES. That being said though I feel like there is enough mass margin to at least add some sort of detachable crew cabin with hypergolic or solid thrusters. Just my two cents I guess

>In a tweet Nov. 10, Jim Free, NASA associate administrator for exploration systems development, said remote inspections of the vehicle, using launch pad cameras, showed no major damage caused by the passage of Hurricane Nicole in the early morning hours.

So now do you faggots want to admit it was a nothingburger and they shouldn't have done a rollback for hurricane Ian?

>>14976286
Also forgot to say about the second video, not related to my point but wanted to point it out, he makes quite some assumptions here, the biggest one is the 1 in 500 engine failure rate for Raptor that he bases all the probabilities on (which also may have issues due to possibly interconnected failures. This isn't N1, but still). It's a decent assumption, but it still has to be proven, for now Raptor is clearly not that reliable and being an entirely new cycle it'll likely take a while. The high production rate helps with that, though. Then he also points out the 1 in 50 failure rate of F9 engines on landing, which kind of contradicts his 1 in 500 as a baseline point since he used that for Merlin earlier without mentioning that, but eh. An actual mistake however is saying that Starship could land with only one engine ("a landing failure requires three engine failures"), we know that two are required, that changes that point quite a bit.

>>14976431
What the fuck is this retardation, Starship certification is a goal, sure, but that'll take time even if SLS blows up. Dragon 2 to HLS in LEO is immediately available without any more certifications than required anyways for HLS. Sure you need to design without Gateway/HALO then but it's shit anyways and far less work and risk than rushing Starship launch human rating. This avoids SLS/Orion altogether and is available as soon as HLS and Starship depots are available.

>>14976454
I should probably have mentioned this, but the reason I focused on launch (pad to MECO) is because I do think that in all other scenarios Starship has similar abort capabilities to SLS/Orion, it's just that launch is a pretty crucial part in terms of abort.

>>14976463
I don’t care one way or the other as long as all legacy contractors and lazy millennial software engineers working on the orange bastard end up laid off in the next 5 years with a program cancellation

>>14976463
They were right at limits, it was honestly pretty damn close, and debris might still be an issue.

>>14976463
>"It was just a hurricane, stop being so dramatic"

>>14976450
Make them fixed wings, mount SS to the side of SH, and add Falcon 9 sideboosters

>>14976471
>SLS would literally crumple if the wind was slightly higher, bro, trust me
>>14976476
>It was just a (weak) hurricane
Yes? Hurricanes hit Florida practically every year. Also Ian never created hurricane level winds at the launch site so your point is moot.

It's Veterans day!

>>14976492
except it wasn't ian; it was nicole, and nicole DID create hurricane force winds at the launch site - as recorded by literally every sensor on the pad. such wind forces are above SLS's designed maximum tolerance of 85 mph.

SLS will literally launch this month, all the whining in here is tiresome

>>14976542
nothingberger

>>14976542
What are you even arguing for? By your own omission winds outside the tolerance did no damage, thus it shouldn't have rolled back in either case.

>>14976564
admission, I meant

At least DAVINCI wasnt delayed

dont really see the point of a spin prime test with no follow up for a week

>i heckin love CGI images space is so real bros

>>14976427
>those are speed holes

you put the lime in the coconut and shake it all up

>>14976463
“I looked at it and please trust me that everything is fine. Everything else this agency has claimed about this project has proven to be false, but there is no reason to suspect an outcome that would be a massive personal failure for myself and everyone I work with. In fact, the hurricanes were all part of the plan from the beginning. Yeah, that’s it!”

>>14976619
Take your medication.

Remember the smartass who said that Starbase is dead?
>Additionally, CNBC learned that SpaceX rolled out an offer to salaried employees at its HQ in Hawthorne, CA of a 10%-25% pay bump to relocate to Starbase, as the company pushes to add more hands to support the Starship program
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/11/spacex-shakes-up-starbase-leadership-in-starship-push.html

>>14976655
>organizational changes confirmed
>review found "alarming" lack of progress

God I wish Elon would just shut up

>>14976502
Thanks to everyone who wanted to die for Israel but failed somehow!

got one, lmao

>>14976671
Maybe you should lay off twitter?

https://twitter.com/LionnetPierre/status/1591069915523735554

NASA's breaking some procurement records keeping this year.

>>14976682
4chan is a colony of twitter doe

>>14976682
>going on Twitter
Elon could unironically post tomorrow that he's going to create a $400B nigger lynching machine and the only problems I would have with that would be that it wasn't money going towards SpaceX and it would make people angry, which could negatively affect SpaceX.

SpaceX has a lot of veterans
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1591127443372670976

>>14976666

>>14976695
Isn't something like 30-50% a veterans?

>>14976699

>>14976308
incel who'll never go to space*

>>14976711

>>14976700
Yes, SpaceX mainly hires vets from Air Force and Navy to save money on training.

>>14976694
The only problem I would have is that he didn’t spend more.

>>14976713
Wrong, faggot. My kids are probably older than you.

>>14976732
just ignore that tranny

>>14975659
How can that be true if they're literally designed to separate in an instance? Sure, it won't be as easy as pressing the space bar but a year, really?

>>14976266
>announce a Mars mission
>make it a rideshare for agencies, universities and companies
It's not that difficult.

>14976593 (you)
this isn’t fair I’m only somewhat partial to dreamchaser

>>14975191
Bunch of stamps arrived today, along with two postcards from the US. I feel like these are some of my favourites so far
Might get a few done today, but most of the Hungarian ones I'll do over the weekend

>>14976783
cute dog

>>14976786
thanks

>everyone screaming that gwynne moving to starbase was a huge lie
>its actually true
why the fuck are the cucks so quick to dismiss any news

>>14976307
Almost one. Still needs some tinkering to get it going, though.

>>14976307
>>14976825
SLS+Orion costs $4.1 billion.

>>14976832
~50% of it will be taxed anyway, so it will only cover the SLS, not Orion

Why is ULA the only company that blurs their rockets?

>>14976363
Do you realize no survivable scenario has ever existed for in-flight abort during SRB powered flight for any rocket?

>>14976847
ITAR, please understand

>>14976855
But...?

>>14976864
Okay, I don't know what ITAR really means.

>>14976849
Source?

>>14976847
This isn't a filter, the engines produce this effect naturally even in person. Nobody knows how they actually work.

How does a turbopump work?

>>14976892
It pumps turbos and junk

>>14976892
It's a turbine like has existed since the 1800s.

>>14976889
https://web.archive%2eorg/web/20160303183030/http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/oral_histories/CrippenRL/CrippenRL_5-26-06.pdf
page 25

>>14976892
Like a pump but faster

Most people don't need to fill an olympic swimming pool in less than a second

>>14976832
Yeah, he doesn't actually care about space, are you figuring it out now?

>>14976950
>olympic swimming pool in less than a second

>he doesn't actually care about space
you know the propaganda doesn't really work it's nonsensical on the face of it

>>14976847
It pains me to say it but these engines actually look sweet
Still should have been AR-1 though fuck blue origin

>>14976804
Not only is it true, but the situation is dire

>>14976804
who are you talking about that didn't believe it?

>>14976990
Who knows, we may one day have a rocket big enough to need that kind of flow rate

The F-1's did 42500 gpm

>>14977053
well that would be 40 Mgpm. i dont think we'll need rockets quite that big.

>>14976295
wheres that dude from spacexcentric? (elder god tier)

>>14976357
>This post is extremely low-quality and gay
just like SLS

JPSS-2 recovered
Northrop Grumman not a complete failure

https://spacenews.com/jpss-2-deploys-solar-array-after-delay/

>>14976295
that image is pure bait.

>gpm
Use units that don't make you look stupid next time

>>14977122
im trans btw if that matters

>>14977129
i like how he looks dramatically different in every pic

>>14977109
I hate how NASA treats everything like some big fucking secret. Just fucking say what the problem was, it's just a solar panel you assholes.

>>14977129
I can feel how strained his face is, Christ. Also:
>same hairline
Escapism will always be escapism

oldspace fear the depot

>>14976549
NASA will do a visual inspection and decide they need to x-ray, requiring a rollback to the VAB, requiring further inspection and recertification for further rollouts. Alternatively NASA will inspect visually, see the damage but pretend it's fine and have complete failure at launch.

>>14977176
Just accept that the launch is going to be flawless.

>>14977178

>>14977188
Smile to the camera, see you on the launch day :)

>>14977178
All the NASA testing procedures so far has had a huge asterisk mark where they ignore the faults and continue to proceed.

So I think we'll see a "success" with a huge asterisk.

>>14976546
how many times was it supposed to launch "this month", 2 times? three times??

doomers are always wrong

>>14976888
the fission reactor inside the engines heats the air which causes the blur effect

>>14976849
you need to think of it in intuitive terms. Once the SRBs explode the capsule just flies away. The rocket is going so fast the SRB fragments can't catch up

>>14977216
Yes because NASA simply changed the certification numbers to a higher value

>>14977053
How many km^3/s is that, so I can compare it to SS

>>14976892
a pump that's powered by a turbine

https://twitter.com/SpaceXOfficiall/status/1591123378655481856
would you go and get the Falcon 9 bathwater

>>14977242

Just report and ignore

WE ARE GO FOR LAUNCH

>>14977242
Why the fuck are there all these fake accounts on Twitter?

>>14977269
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/space/artemis/os-bz-nasa-artemis-i-go-for-launch-despite-hurricane-nicole-20221111-xlbvtjviqbdmpmooxs4ntbdrye-story.html

No delays on SLS
WE GAAN on the 16th

>>14977304
Libs trying to create a narrative

>>14977304
That's a man.

>>14977216
Jim Free is the biggest SLS shill there is. Bunch of fucking liars

>>14977304
They think they can just refund the $8 to their parents' credit card. Rude awakening incoming

>>14977310
all (((organic)))

>>14977361
naughty Thunderf00t

>>14977304
Isn't Elon a free speech absolutist? Why the crying when everyone is clowining him and getting assblasted on his retarded free speech takes>

>>14977304
she cute

>>14976999
Is that why he's pumping billions of cash into his twitter shenanigans and not into Starship? Is he waiting on those sweet Government contracts like Boing?

>>14977390
Pouring billions into starship won't make it fly.

>>14977129
what went wrong, TMRObros

Just the two of us
We can make it if we try

>>14977390
Explain to me how you build the Falcon 9 if you 'don't care about space'. It's such a retarded take that you're either a shill or completely lost your mind.
Either way kill yourself fag.

>>14977371
Underage

>>14977361
What point are they trying to prove? That you can be retarded on the internet?

>>14977406
It's mind boggling that people here are defending his irrational behavior in these past months. I love SpaceX, but he's off the rails a the moment. Fuck him

>>14977336
What a grotesque eyesore the SLS is.

>>14977417
It's literally trolling. He's a free speech absolutist after all and they're calling his bluff. Is trolling bad if it's done to Elon now?

>>14975263
i would seriously hate living in such a thing. if you want the closest thing go live in a 2x2 feet rat hole in any one of the "cities of the world"

i suggest you neck yourself if you genuinely find this appealing

SLS UNHARMED
SFG SEETHING

>>14977420
>he doesn't actually explain how he doesn't care about space
Obvious shill behaviour. Neck yourself now

>>14977425
>He's a free speech absolutist
What's a "free speech absolutist"?

like it or not now that he bought Twitter Twitter is always an sfg appropriate topic

>>14977425
where's the bluff? the impersonation invalidates the pay for checkmark system. it has absolutely nothing to do with the contents of the tweets why it's b&

>>14977420
Elon Musk could literally kill my whole family and I would support him. We are going

anyone wanna explain why we havent statically fired?

watch him fail to make any argument whatsoever and just continue posting the latest leftoid cope he finds on reddit.
absolutely vile shill behaviour.

>>14977457
Crazy how that ground level fog piles up under the engines.

>>14975823
I quit playing that game when I found out the colonists are born with a random race.

how to emotionally deal with the factoid that SS is launching after SLS

>>14977481
depends how the static fire goes I believe. SLS will slip some

>>14977371
impersonation is not free speech bub

>>14977464
FAA: follow procedures or else
SpaceX: okay.. :-(

>>14977307
Good, was able to add a week to my Gparent visit easy enough but any more would be hard.

>>14977439
Big brain decision by Musk here. Who would have thought something would go wrong

>>14977523
What's going wrong?

>>14977481
SLS is damaged beyond repair

lol wtf is going on at nasa

>>14977530
They are lying scum. Jim Free is one of the prime creators of SLS, along with Senator Ballast himself. Lucky for us, go fever will be their undoing

>>14977530
people just making shit up because they no idea

>>14977530
>export control
I can't imagine why that would be necessary, but I completely believe that he's telling the truth.

>>14977545
>completely believe that he's telling the truth
>the image contains concrete evidence that he's not telling the truth
what

>>14977546
That would be true if bureaucratic rules made any sense. There's probably one regulation saying the information can't be shared, another regulation saying it must be written up and shared with Congress, and then a third regulation saying that the report to Congress must be publicized.

>>14977546
Jeff Foust does not lie.

>>14977535
kek

:(

Why can't Rocket Lab just use a plane?

>>14977606
Shut up retard. How do you put the rocket down then? How is this easier?

Are there any other 3d maps of the nearest stars than these?
http://www.beyondproxima.com/
https://in-the-sky.org///ngc3d.php?skin=0

>>14977551
This is way more likely than you think.

Also, it is enteirly possible that numbers were published at one time, then classified again at a later date.

>>14977620
Just make one

>>14977626
I am a lazy dumb

>>14977630
What are you even looking for? It probably exists

>>14977636
3d maps of the nearest stars that I can zoom in and pan around

>>14977644

Just download Celestia or buy Universe Sandbox / Space Engine

eric berger

>>14977654
Source?

>>14977667
Anonymous insider

>>14977667

>>14977667
A person familiar with the matter

>>14977620
this one has been around for ages
http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/

>>14977667
It was revealed to me in a dream

>>14977667
I was there.

>>14977678
>http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/
>static pic, not interactive
no thanks

https://nitter.ca/SciGuySpace/search?f=tweets&q=source&since=&until=&near=

>>14977686
>AAAAAAAA I'M SOOOOUUURCINNGG
>Sources confirm
>Hang on I'm gonna need to run that by my source
>Source? I can't tell you ;)
>sourcesourcesourcesource
>DM me for signal

>>14977686
Elon Musk, remove this man's verification. He is impersonating a weather man

>>14977667
Trust me bro

>>14977667
SLS haters won't believe any source

>>14975765
>Crew Dragon visible in render
supremely based

>>14976693
4chan: founded 2003
twitter: founded 2006
based retrocausality enthusiast

>>14977216
see
>>14976619

>>14977400
yes, ship + booster
left side of pic unrelated

>>14977551
>>14977546
>>14977545
even if that were true, it still reduces this to "trust me, bro. I can't share any facts, but you have to believe me."

>>14976619
I can't believe this is an exact quote. NASA is deranged

>>14977613
VTOL :^)

>>14977815
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCT80HJWQ2A

and not a tile in sight

Unstoppable

>>14977876
wow.... look at all those subsidies...

>>14977881
Subsidies are when the government pays you to do nothing besides exist. These are contracts for services that are expected to yield results.

>>14977881
Better spent here than on legacy defense fagtractors

SLS will launch on November 16th.

Stoke space is a real company and will succeed with the backing of Bill Gates.

>>14977881
i'm trans btw

>>14977886
tick tick tick tick rouse the congress and raise the block the rocket is ready at 2 o’clock but no :^) we will not be leaving this rock so bend over musk and take this big cock

It's over

>>14977905

let's say I have some pressure vessel at pressure p and a nozzle attached to it. will the gas velocity exiting the nozzle depend on the temperature inside the vessel or only the pressure.

>>14977920
are you retarded

>>14977920
wow

>>14977920
Did you take physics in high school? Did you fail?

>>14977920
Physics 101

>>14977905
i was told this is good but idk how good

>>14977905
what

>>14977772
The natives were displaced

>>14976723
Ol'Johnny count?

>>14977923
>>14977927
>>14977930
>>14977932
I was thinking about how ramjets work, specifically how it can be that the exhaust velocity from a ramjet powered plane always exceeds the plane speed (in other words in ramjets, as in all other air breathing jet engines, the exhaust is moving in the opposite direction of the plane in the ground reference frame) But if ramjets work by converting the kinetic energy of the air into pressure energy, then the highest velocity they can hope for when converting that pressure energy back into kinetic energy through a nozzle is the velocity the air had before it was compressed (Bernoullis principle:the sum of pressure energy and kinetic energy is constant), doesn't matter if it was heated since heating it doesn't change the pressure in the brayton cycle engines

>>14977976
You're neglecting the chemical energy of the fuel, and are also generally wrong

>>14977976
>pressure energy

>>14977985
>chemical energy of the fuel
which increases the temperature

bros... did Elon buy Twitter just to wipe Tom Mueller's Twitter likes?

>>14978025
I actually had a dream last night and Tom Mueller made fun of my old car, then he proceeded to show me his Porsche Taycan and idk I guess it was cool. I just don't understand why he felt the need to rub it in my face

>>14978025
And reinstate Babylon Bee

What is stoke up to?

>>14978046
Getting free advertising from a click-craving estronaut

>>14978046
fully reusable grifting

>>14978046
just the thing we've already seen I bet

anyways their solution of encasing the engines within the ring is smart, you have variable specific impulse and a smart cooling solution

>>14978046
given the source it's likely hands free anal cuckholding in space

TAU-CATALYZED NUCLEAR CHLORINE WATER ROCKET

>>14978075
formerly Chuck's

sneedx

>>14978025
lol

>>14978075
skipping right past muons holy shit

build 100 luvoirs, 100 starshades or 1 giagantic one, 30m mirrors, economies of scale, deployed en masse in space, "Supremascope", perfect uv/visible/ir interferometry, ultrastable (gigastable), over 3000 points of failure per modular scope, unfolding, launched on Starship, CZ-9, SLS, New Armstrong

>>14978097
we can’t even get one (1) human out of LEO

>>14978099
lucky for us, luvoir isnt human

>>14978099
I really hope the next time Congress tries to mandate parts NASA just tells them to fuck off. SLS is the ultimate boomer rocket, clinging to what makes them rich rather than what works or is best.

>>14978102
SLS costs and dev time are a farce yes, but JWST costing 10B is honestly pretty damn reasonable imo. The shitty part is how goddamn long it took from design to manufacture to launch/deployment. the opportunaty cost of being 15 years late to launch is disgusting
>Initial designs for the telescope, then named the Next Generation Space Telescope, began in 1996. Two concept studies were commissioned in 1999, for a potential launch in 2007 and a US$1 billion budget. The program was plagued with enormous cost overruns and delays; a major redesign in 2005 led to the current approach, with construction completed in 2016 at a total cost of US$10 billion.

>>14977855
How hard is Spacex looking at this?

whats next after the static fire we just had?

>>14978114
SpaceX should sponsor a space telescope and dunk on NASA. They could probably build a great one in 6 months
>>14978124
No static fire yet, waiting on 7+ engine fire

>>14978128
doesnt a spin test count as a static fire

>>14978131
No, because there's no fire. Nothing is burning.

>>14978131
not really. spin prime tests are not a static fires because no engines are actually fired. probably a 50% chance we get a full 33 engine fire before the end of the year.

>>14978124
spin prime test number 36634785357854675377754675467534. Two weeks trust the plan

starship will create hundreds of thousands of jobs

>>14978146
*of dead beetles

>>14977876
Veteran's Affairs still hasn't put anything in orbit. Their budget is literally four times that of NASA's

cargo docking the CSS soon

>>14978154
the chinkstation looks so comfy

>>14978154

>>14978156
i think it looks sterile like the US side of the iss

>>14978158
>i think it looks sterile like the US side of the iss
Ctrl-C Ctrl-V

>>14978158
last pic

>>14978154
IT LOOKS JUST LIKE MY FAVORITE SCIENCE MOVIE STAR WARS

there was another chinese launch before the cargo one but it wasnt anything interesting, just a weather sat

>>14978161
For you maybe

>>14978166
holy fucking kino. Chinese rocket liveries are pretty boring and only look good on the LM5 but good grief they have gorgeous launches

>>14978166
you can see the side boosters falling away

>>14978166
The Chinese are based and I'm tired of pretending they're not

>>14978172
unironically true to some extent. They need to move away from soviet-inspired modules but at this point i’d put them above pockocmoc in many areas

first time in history we've reached 150 launches worldwide. 160 is expected soon...

>>14978177
what happened between 2001 and 2005

>>14978180
collapse of satellite market

>>14978177
Whats mass to orbit by year?

>>14978175
It would be nice to have two superheavy lifters, and I could see China at least maintaining a higher cadence of CZ9 launches than Boeing can with SLS. Much higher if the chinks are serious about reusability. Starship will be preeminent, but having CZ9 around might make it a bit easier to colonize Mars

>>14978187
i wish i knew

>>14978187
That'd have to be a record high as well

>>14978046
Stoke is starting to feel like a cross between Relativity and Spinlaunch in terms of press and technology. Thinking these guys will bust out a rocket render in the next year and make investors cream.

>>14978194
the shuttles weighed alot

>>14978200
oh god it's the
>shuttles were payload
meme again

>>14978200
so do cz5b cores

>>14978200
but shuttles didnt stay in orbit, they always fell back down

>>14978226
so do starlinks, space station modules, cargo craft, etc.

>>14978231
not immediately

>>14978226
A Gemini capsule fell back down, but it still counts as a payload. Even if you're launching a resupply Dragon to the ISS, the dragon capsule is part of the payload to orbit.

>>14978240
Thank you, Mr Pedantic. Now redefined as semi-permanent useful payload to LEO, which only concerns payloads within a fairing or capsule volume, and remains in LEO for at minimum 1 month.

>>14978247
>remains in LEO for at minimum 1 month
so Inspiration 4 had a payload of zero? Axiom 1 had a payload of zero?
sounds awfully arbitrary

>>14978253
Yes. I wouldnt call a handful of chucklefucks in a capsule useful payload if they come back to Earth. I would instead call them Earthers

>>14978247
that's fucking stupid. why are you trying so hard to argue that putting a shuttle in orbit doesn't count as payload to orbit. It's a big ass spaceship with people in it doing (dubiously useful) missions while delivering a satellite payload. yeah its a stupid use of payload to just send some guys up there to fuck around, but it still happened.

the next crew should arrive later this month. so we'll temporarily see 6 chinese in the station. that'll be 13 people in orbit at the same time.

>>14976015
prove space is fake