/sci/ - Science & Math

>>14968649
Will we ever see the proliferation of metallic TPS in our life time?

>>14968649
First for most powerful rocket ever flown edition

GOD
HATES
FAG
ROCKETS

>>14968657
Unironically I wish it was hyoergolic

game over

GOD I LOVE BURAN

>>14968657
>>14968669
WWWOOOOOWWWW

>>14968669
spaceplanefags will forever be contained to the orbit of the body they launch from
I guffaw!

>>14968649
FTS Archive
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KCJBL632oieD1r6JOh_5Eg9NTcf_-hH8?usp=share_link

8 new stamps from around Europe, all part of the Europa '91 CEPT publish in 1991. Five countries with three new ones; Ireland, Malta, Gibraltar, Bulgaria, and Romania
Also updated the names of some European countries to be just their name (no peoples'/socialist republics)

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1D0BfVUA_nd4wSktc0dtPNJMhiWNDhkfn?usp=share_link

>>14968669
it's looks so peaceful

>the cygnus fudge up was real
Oh dios mio what happened to old space. Also assuming i’m reading this wikipedia table right a cargo Dragon has way more capability than Cygnus. How absolutely embarrassing hahahahahahaa

I hate earthers. Those "people". I hate being caught in the tangle of their lives.

>>14968765
I just hate anything inside the S*lar system. Those solarians ain't right.

>>14968692
With a depot you can go anywhere

NASA moon rover spotted in the Astros championship parade in Houston today

>>14968784
>bringing wings with you on a journey through the vacuum
unironically won't happen for centuries

>>14968788
>what is starship?

>>14968774
the whole Orion Arm is a shithole, what else would you expect?

>>14968787
That rover alone has a higher annual budget than every ace on the astros combined lol

>>14968788
>>14968793
>what is shuttle?

>>14968669
do not go gentle into that good hangar, little fren

RIP

>>14968796
W-what's the annual budget?

>>14968657
but that's not a saturn v

>>14968796
The kino throwbacks. There should be an IVA or EVA suit with a color scheme inspired by these

>>14968663
There needs to be at least one super-heavy class rocket launch through the eye of a hurricane in the near future

For purely scientific reasons of course

>>14968809
If your launch window lined up perfectly with the eye passing over you it wouldn’t really be a problem, assuming the wind rain humidity and lightning didn’t mess with any launch pad infrastructure
The worst part is the eye wall. So much chaos and pandemonium. Nature in one of its most brutal form

>>14968804
you're almost there anon

when did elon get so based?

when did elon get so retarded?

>>14968793
>what is Starship
a rocketship (not a spaceplane)
>>14968801
>what is shuttle?
something that never left orbit. read the chain lol

>>14968852
>a rocketship (not a spaceplane)
i tend to disagree

>>14968657
I wish commies didn't suck so much.

>>14968852
>something that never left orbit. read the chain lol
he said >bringing wings with you on a journey through the vacuum
Orbiting still is a journey through vacuum

>>14968854
so fake

>>14968860
okay, a journey through interplanetary space then. or, again, beyond orbit

>>14968874
I'm not sure what the best way to land on Mars would be, as it has enough atmosphere to burn stuff but not to deaccelerate enough to the ground. I'm not sure how you could even get humans into Venus to start. For Titan I think wings could maybe be reasonable. For everywhere else there really is not need, except maybe if you want to return to Earth on the same vessel.

>>14968657
>didn't cross the Karman line

ITT: seething capitalist pigs

>>14968836
Elon has always been based, people just didn't realize it until now.

>>14968907
if they do rapid iteration then were are the prototype starship launches this year?

>>14968915
two words-
secret space program

>>14968916
how the fuck would they be able to launch this whale into orbit without anyone spotting?

i found the book

>two words

and blurb about Titan

>>14968923
they launch at night?

>>14968923
Maybe use your imagination? You're only using 10% of your brain right now

>>14968931
anon, we are in a thread full of autists who like to look at rockets
somebody would have spotted then eventually, even during nighthywam

>>14968929
>we could send more probes there to study this truly unique alien environment maybe even a rover
>"nah we already landed a probe there once no point in being the second to land there we'll just scan from orbit once every decade"
I hate modern space exploration so much.

>>14968942
my favorite part about Dragonfly is it's not going to the lakes :)

>>14968939
they have been spotted, Mick West calls them "starlink flares" and plastic bags

>>14968793
has no wings

>>14968793
A spaceplane and lifting body

>>14968949
>go all the way to Titan, to its surface in fact
>select a landing site with a fucking CRATER instead of HYDOCARBON SEAS WITH ANOMALOUS ACETYLENE AND HYDROGEN CONCENTRATIONS
fuck everything kill JPL today

>>14968949
>>14968960
Was excited about Dragonfly until I actually read the mission details.
I hope something fucks up during travel and they end up on the poles by accident, or the mission just fails for the sake of fucking JPL

>>14968960
This is actually the fault of JPL wannabe, APL

>>14968967
>>14968970
Then I correct myself to APL.
By the way, is it too late to get them to change it? IIRC NASA got bullied into putting a normal camera on Juno and that's how we got Junocam.

>>14968974
You could probably blackmail the mission architect with evidence of his fecal fetish

>>14968657
>Flown

I guess it depends on how you define flown.

>>14968711
Eastern Europe and Soviet art is kino.

>>14968915
FAA forbade them from launching because the gubmint was salty about him outcompeting Boeing and Lockheed.

>>14968960
NASA would be bankrupted if their missions proved abiotic oil. They can't do it.

>>14968993
I think top priority at spacex is to regulatorily capture the FAA

>>14968996
NASA would be bankrupt if they discovered life too. They want it to be an endless search and explicitly avoid locations that could harbor extant life. The is why Peter Beck will discover life on Venus

>>14969003
Very true. Either way they have a profit motive to never investigate until forced.

>>14968942
>>14968949
“It’s all so tiresome” doesn’t even do it justice. It is literally all SO fucking tiresome

>>14968949
>>14968960
>>14968967
wait wut. tell me you’re joking

>>14968949
When are we going to hold scientists accountable? This is OUR tax dollars and they are not spending it according to public will

>>14968996
>Abiotic oil
Isn't that the theory that oil comes from the upper mantle?

>>14969018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonfly_(spacecraft)#Landing_site
>The Dragonfly rotorcraft will land initially in dunes to the southeast of the Selk impact structure at the edge of the dark region called Shangri-La.[47][6] It will explore this region in a series of flights of up to 8 km (5.0 mi) each, and acquire samples from compelling areas with a diverse geography. After landing it will travel to the Selk impact crater, where in addition to tholin organic compounds, there is evidence of past liquid water.[6]
>The Selk crater is a geologically young impact crater 90 km (56 mi) in diameter, located about 800 km (500 mi) north-northwest of the Huygens lander.[48] (7.0°N 199.0°W)[49][46] Infrared measurements and other spectra by the Cassini orbiter show that the adjacent terrain exhibits a brightness suggestive of differences in thermal structure or composition, possibly caused by cryovolcanism generated by the impact — a fluidized ejecta blanket and fluid flows, now water ice.[48][50] Such a region featuring a mix of organic compounds and water ice is a compelling target to assess how far the prebiotic chemistry may have progressed at the surface.[6]

>>14969020
The last thing I want to do is defend these lazy fucks HOWEVER I’m willing to bet >99% (yes that’s a greater than symbol) of the public don’t even know what the fuck Titan is
Which is sad as hell

How do argue with an Elon Derangement Syndrome liberal about the value of SpaceX and space flight in general when they seem to just hate the company and it's mission simply because of association with Elon.

Is it even worth trying?

>>14969023
this mission will be lucky to land by 2050 and it isnt even trying to detect life

>>14969025
a gun

>>14969024
For some fucking reason most solar system charts don't include moons beyond the Moon

>>14969025
If it's a girl, rape her.

>>14969025
It's as simple as point and click

>>14969031
It isn't, one is a neo-lib gay guy and the other is a socialist sovietboo

>>14969025
you might try to pretend it's a different company with a more liberally accepted ceo. Branson was once photographed on a yacht with Obama, you might try him. Obviously the turbocapitalist Bezos is out.

>>14969025
You don't. People whose only argument is rich man bad are not worth your time.

I hate bureaucracy, cost plus contracts, and low ambition faggots being in charge of space flight so much it’s unreal
All or nothing—glass the earth. We have lost space flight privilege

>>14969034
why would you waste your time with degenerates, that will never achieve anything?

>>14969034
I think both of these categories require a pretty rock-solid barrier against logic and common sense, so I retract my idea to pretend it's a different company; they're not worth the effort. Just smile and nod distractedly if they bring it up again.

>>14969034
Tell them to give this a read

>>14969034

I wish rich people would fund risky and ambitious probes, but they almost always choose human spaceflight for the glory.
Is there anyone proposing probes beyond the Venus missions from Peter Beck/Rocket Lab?

>>14969034
Shoot him
>inb4 nogunz
Bludgeon him with a rock, I know you've got those

>>14969051
Relativity and Impulse Space seem quite serious about their joint private Mars mission

>>14969051
Besides musk actually spearheading the rocket company, jared isaacman is the most respectable man to have lived in the 21st century. Insp4 was interesting enough but polaris is based. I hope he doesn’t stop and does a venus fly by or at least personally funds some interesting probes

>>14969025
They sound like the worst sort of Earther. The only remedy for them is death.

>>14968819
A silo launched design could probably handle it

>>14969057
dont forget about MZ. dude likely gave upwards of 100mil to help Starship development

>>14969022
Something like that? Generally it means that hydrocarbons are generated by natural processes rather than decomposed algae and dinosaurs. Finding hydrocarbon lakes on another planet is effective proof that it's true, but exploring them and understanding why they occur would show us how they're created on Earth and what we could potentially do to capture carbon and turn it back into fuel.

>>14969057
I think Polaris will be cool, but I wish they put the effort and money into probes.
Wouldn't expect a Venus flyby, but I believe there is a reasonable chance of Polaris being extended to at least a Moon flyby.
What we need is more probes and exoplanet telescopes.

>>14968654
>no replies
Am I the only one who thinks shitty brittle TPS is like 1 of the top 3 biggest problems in modern space flight. It’s up there with needing something like meme tech DFDs and fusion power, yet is probably the most reasonably solvable problem

>>14969051
No one with that kind of money would pay for a high-risk, shit-reward mission. Imagine paying billions of dollars to a bunch of boomers, so they can eventually finish a probe in 10 years. Then you wait another 10 years until it arrives, just to take some shitty pictures that only 20 people on Urf care about, in a spectrum humans can't see.

>>14969034
>neo-lib gay guy
Shift the goalposts to be about specific SpaceX accomplishments compared to other companies. Emphasize that SpaceX has been quantifiably more successful at building good rockets than everyone else. There are adequate statistics to support this. If he deflects then ask him to state explicitly that he recognizes SpaceX is more successful and beneficial to the US/space than almost any other company. If he rejects this then ask him to back his claim with specific evidence (which doesn't really exist). If he accepts it and just says something something Elon bad then tell him he's not being objective and to fuck off back to kindergarten.
>socialist sovietboo
He probably agrees with you about the value of SpaceX and spaceflight; he's just seething about it.

>>14969068
Graphite and weird ceramic tiles are the only materials that can be made cost-effectively, in the right shapes, and with the right heat insulation characteristics. They're not chosen for some meme reason, they're chosen because they're great at what they're for.

>>14969072
I just wish Musk to send a Starship just to collect some regolith from Mars then send it back instead of waiting for NASA or CNSA to do it.

>>14969079
I understand the materials science aspect. When you need thermal insulation and light mass, you’re going to end up with brittle materials. But taking a mass hit would be worth it for bolt-on metallic tiles. Or at the very least some hybrid system. The ability to install a TPS in the factory and literally never needing to worry about it again would be a huge advantage over ceramic tiles. Starship has already made huge improvements with a) common (enough) shapes and low cost/fast production tiles—and yes you can send thousands and thousands of extra tiles to mars or keep spare tiles in the cargo hold of each SS—however I’m willing to bet each crewed SS is fling to require inspection before entry every single time and broken tiles are going to remain a common problem

>>14969072
forgot to add, that only tax payers are dumb enough to pay for that kind of grift

>>14969025
I actually was able to convince a tankie that Elon isn't so bad and SpaceX is good by having a series of conversations with him. The first place you start is to appeal to their hatred of corporations and corrupt government officials and only talk about those things.

- Talk about how ULA (Boeing/Lockheed - explain this to them) is actively stymying space exploration all in the name of pork.
- Talk about specific individuals (Ballast, Shelby, Cantwell)
- Bring up the billion dollar tower that never got built but still needs to be built
- Talk about the cost and time overruns of SLS despite the reuse of tech
- Mention the F-1b engines to drive it home
- Point out how SpaceX was precluded from bidding on contracts, repeatedly and was to sue for the opportunity
- Mention how SpaceX is the only way astronauts can get to the ISS now, despite Starliner receiving more money and being several years late (mention the failures).
- Discuss how Elon actually in charge of the company on a day to day basis and micromanages (point to Berger's book and talk about it contains firsthand accounts from former and current employees who do not deny this, even if they don't like him)
- Talk about how Elon wanted to go to Mars from square one with his goal to launch a probe to the planet with a micro greenhouse but was denied this opportunity when the Russians said no and NASA said no.
- Talk about how they are saving the government millions and millions of dollars a year, which NASA should be allowed to reinvest into more science but can't due to the likes of Bezos and ULA (Boeing/Lockheed) using political pressure to dictate how and where NASA is allowed to spend money (not on science)
- Talk about how virtually every company and country has been forced to copy the Falcon 9 and adopt rapid reuse or perish
- Compare the number of Starship samples that have been constructed versus SLS and hone in on the time it took to do this.
- Point out the massive waste of SLS a lot.

>>14969090
This. Very good handguide.

>>14969087
I think the ideal solution is something like an outer metal heat shield then an air gap with some sort of anchoring spacers with very low heat conductivity. But that would also be heavy as fuck.

Boeing shares closed at $164.91 (+$4.90, +3.06%) on Nov 7, 2022
T-7 days and counting until Artemis 1 launch to the Moon

>>14969094
I agree and I think the perspiration cooling idea should be brought back to some degree in the future once they figure out areas of high failure probability

>>14969099
Well considering the fact that a kamikaze is heading straight to the space coast that is even STRONGER than the one they already did a VAB rollback for, I’m thinking it is over

>>14969099
Who gives a shit about their share price - I CANT BUY STOCK BECAUSE THEY RIGGED THE POWERBALL.

>>14969104
If the launch gets delayed again due to factors not attributable to Boeing that could actually be better for the stock in the near term. Their shares were already recovering because they gave an optimistic outlook at a recent investors conference. The SLS seems to be just icing on the cake at this point.

Does /sci/ have spoilers?

>>14969118
No, instead we get to post .pdf files
pretty alright tradeoff imo

What sort of isp and delta-v capabilities would a rocket being run purely on Death Grips have?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0oD3r1nNMs&list=PL55Jv4fGPIb9dEC6iiAo8k46bbzAr1RWo

>>14969116
Better than them botching the launch and having no excuse.

>>14969124
if it ran on GP you could probably fall the fuck off the world

>>14969090
For tankies in particular this might also work.

>one solar array didn't deploy
is Cygnus-chan going to be okay?

>>14968663
Nature will only let chad rockets pierce her heavens.

>>14969185
cygnus is the most fuckable spacecraft, change my mind

>>14969034
>socialist sovietboo
Go on about how SpaceX's approach to rocketry is much more alike to the Soviet approach than American. Then start bringing up how much money SpaceX save tax payers and bring up the example of the Europa mission being moved from SLS to Falcon Heavy will save tax payers 2 billions alone.

>>14969025
No, life is short.

>>14969193
>But Elon tho

>>14969193
>the Europa mission being moved from SLS to Falcon Heavy will save tax payers 2 billions alone.
It will also make the trip longer. I wish Starship would get ready soon enough to get those missions faster.

>>14969204
Doesn't really matter if the trip is longer if they have the first ~5 flights reserved for artemis, just gives fh a 5 year headstart.

What if the solar array on Cygnus was broken because of the 180 degree flip the solid motor had to do at the start of its burn?
https://youtu.be/l6u90n7sMfI?t=2156

>>14969193
$2B is without any modifications
Because of vibration issues, because of delays

Falcon Heavy isn't just saving $2B, its likely saving ~$3-4B due to needing additional work to fix the vibration issues + another 5+ years due to not having SLS availability

>>14969090
>Talk about how they are saving the government millions and millions of dollars a year
Billions a year

Falcon 9/Heavy saved the military $40+ billion dollars alone. For NASA, the number should be similar due to extreme number of missions carried out by SpaceX instead of Russians

>>14969242
Why is it pitching opposite to the little blue thrusters?

>>14969078
I know for sure the Sovietboo just wants government funded NASA to be the one doing
everything so you're probably right. Neo-lib guy doesn't actually give a shit about space as far I can tell. Between the two he's the more emotional and politically tribalistic one.

>>14969266
>I know for sure the Sovietboo just wants government funded NASA to be the one doing
SLS/Orion has been in "development" for 20+ years, NASA has spent $40+ billion dollar so far, hasn't developed anything new, and is just using old technology from Shuttle, is not reusable, can only fly once every 2 years, costs $4+ billion dollars each time, etc.

SpaceX's entire existence didn't cost 10th of that in R/D.

>>14968649
sup sfg. first time being here since may, has anything interesting happened lately? when is artemis launching

>>14969335
Two weeks

I laugh every time that really is the answer

>>14968657
Recently acquired some nice renders of the N1

>>14969360
The N1 program is absolutely fascinating because unlike the Saturn V, it was always intended as a launch vehicle that would be the standard for all Soviet launches. Its second and third stage would comprise the N11 which was never built and would be considered the competitor to the Proton.

>>14969363
But the demands of the moon landing program meant the N1 was compromised (already limited in its payload mass by the lack of hydrogen upper stages) and so went from 75kg to 95kg (also this weight was limited by the fact Baikonur is further north than Kennedy Space Center).

>>14969365
The decision to scrap the N1 when it had further rockets ready to go in favour of an unbuilt (but ultimately successful) Energia was one of Gluskho's greatest mistakes, but besides his brilliance, he seemed like a guy more interested in getting back at his opponents than compromise (a character flaw of Korolev as well)

>>14969360
>>14969363
>>14969365
>>14969370
really fucking cool. where'd you get these? reminds me, poor french space guy, cant catch a break with his N1 documentary. first covid, now this stupid ukraine shit. hope he finishes it, even if it takes 10 years

>>14969381
oh i see now, the elusive nick stevens...

>>14969370
>he seemed like a guy more interested in getting back at his opponents than compromise
That is very common in commie shitholrs

>cucked out of seeing the lunar eclipse by some trees since it's so low to the horizon
It's all so tiresome.

>>14969488
Remove all the trees

looks like space electronic warfare, maybe to help starlink better overcome jamming

>>14969488
same but with clouds.
fuck, i was really looking forward to this one too

How much thrust do you need to lift a kiloton of methane off of the surface of Titan and return it to earth?

>>14969552
Why the fuck

>>14969488
checked
reminder that filming an eclipse from the Moon has never been done

Since it hasn't been posted here yet:
Berger says they are not rolling the rocket back. It's going to ride out the storm on the launch pad.
(hopefully a piece of debris wrecks an irreplacable component of SLS)

>>14969719
anon why would you want that. the US needs to return to the moon to flex on everyone else. 60 years later and we're still the only ones who's gotten to the moon, and now we're doing it again.

>>14969719
WE
ARE
GAAN
>Who gave that storm clearance?!

>>14969719
Just need a main tank puncture.

>>14969724
Perhaps you don't know this but SLS is incapable of putting anyone or anything on the moon because of the constellation derived mission architecture. Additionally, 82 billion has already been funneled into the program - to do literally nothing but construct a toll booth in NRHO.
Useless rocket, only good as a jobs program.

>>14969025
Just wait and let the results speak for themselves.

Why is CASC developing so many new engines at once?

Is it because they have recently made technological advances and want to incoporate that into their entire product lineup ASAP?

I hate florida
I fucking hate florida

>>14969767
Otherwise it seems like developing new engines would be a huge needless expense, by hogging engineering resources and introducing new engine types that will ruin economies of scale

>>14969774
It's like the universe is conspiring to ensure this thing is never fucking launched

>>14969774
>fingers crossed
I agree hadfield, Artemis 1 has got to be destroyed.
SLS delenda est.

>>14969767
redundancy, if one program fails they can use the other one
also, just copy everything everyone else does, just in case

plus their current engines are probably not exactly what they want and offer little or no chance for future development

i hate clouds so much bros

>>14969774
We are going (to scrub)

>>14969719
They should fuel the rocket before the storm hits

>>14969852
That's the secret of SRBs.
They're always fueled.

>>14969852
At least the kino potential will be far higher if something goes wrong

SLS should ONLY launch in eyes of hurricanes. The low pressure system is about as close to removed atmosphere as you’re going to get

>>14969860
A hurricane can be as low as 15% average air pressure. Would this give you a measurable boost for a hydromeme launcher?

>>14969861
Operation HURRIGAIN
The cost-plus seeding of mega hurricanes with air pressure as low as 30%

>>14969864
Hurigaan*

>>14969864
>>14969867
kek

>>14969864
this might actually give you a pretty big boost in performance I’m not even kidding

>>14969767
Soviet competing bureau problem.

>>14969879
What’s wrong with competition?

Another short overview of the replica Chinese station, by SciNews: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipiKL9BAL-g
Compare to CGTN's posted in last thread: >>14967722

>>14969025
tell them shitty people is one thing, the tech and everything comes with it is a completely different topic. then tell them your thoughts about the tech, and why do you think spacex is a good thing to have. honestly, I'm not really convinced about going to other planets and shit if we can't agree on basic crap here on earth, but... I like tech, and tech doesn't care about ethics, ideas about society and stuff.

>>14969090
>Elon wanted to go to Mars from square one with his goal to launch a probe to the planet with a micro greenhouse but was denied this opportunity when the Russians said no
wut. tell me more pls

>>14969928
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-wanted-to-send-plants-to-mars-2014-10?op=1

SLSBROS...
Better start praying to god that this doesn't wreck the orange log of shit.

>>14969948
Why don't they just launch outside of hurricane season if it's this much trouble

>>14969025
arguments rarely if ever change established beliefs
they don’t even play a central role in belief formation
in general people simply accept arguments for things they already wish to believe

how many times have you personally been convinced by a single argument to completely reverse your position on anything?
compare that to the number of beliefs you might acknowledge as your own and the number of beliefs you hold implicitly

>>14969950
>how many times have you personally been convinced by a single argument to completely reverse your position on anything?
Happens to me now and then, but I don't seem to notice others doing it very often. It's as if people are afraid or physically pained by saying "Oh shit, I didn't know <x>, now <y> makes a lot more sense, I was wrong"

>>14969948
It's never launching lmao

>>14969952
>It's as if people are afraid or physically pained by saying "Oh shit, I didn't know <x>, now <y> makes a lot more sense, I was wrong"
They are, and it gets more intense as they age, because they view these things as part of their identity. They see changing a deeply held belief as changing who they are, and so they fight to preserve their current self.

>>14969955

>>14969966
What was 4/3/2021? Yet another missed milestone I’m sure

>>14969966
>2 billion
if only lmao

>>14969952
most people are retards and want their ideas "digested" by "experts" on TV. they can't handle complex topics. don't bother trying to convince people.

>>14969986
This same role was traditionally filled by society's priest class.

>>14969989
Now it's television personalities, or at least it was I think that's dying a hard death now.

>>14970003
The attempted successor to TV was social media (((curation))) but Elon has been pissing on that by making bluechecks available to the masses and firing the curators.

Will midterm elections affect spaceflight?

>>14970011
Today we find out who Shelby's successor as US Senator from Alabama is.

>>14970011
yes: it's over

>>14970015
Why? I read that Republicans are very likely to win. Isn't it better for Musk?

>>14970016
It is, he's just doomposting for no reason.

>>14970016
Republicans don't even believe space exists. They're cutting off all funding for NASA

>>14970013
Who are the possible replacements, and what are their stances on depots and spaceflight in general? We don't need another Shelby.

>>14970024
The Republican candidate is Shelby's current chief of staff so don't expect a huge change on policy preferences... but she does not inherit his seniority and therefore his committee memberships.

https://youtu.be/Us2Z-WC9rao?t=413

there you have it, kurzgesagt endorses SLS

>>14970033
return to reddit

>>14970033
He showed a Falcon 9 landing literally five seconds later.

>>14970033
Are you the same retard that clicks on SpaceX scams? That would explain why you are watching this garbage, because these videos are not written by people who have the intention of educating anyone. Additionally evident by the clickbait title. Even NSF does a better job and has more soul than these psychopaths.

>>14968649
I want to go to space one day, bros.
When I’m done with my masters I have a job set that will make $100K a year or so.
If I save $20K per year, I could do a blur origin hop in 10-12 years.
Is this a feasible plan?

>>14969948
Serves them right for having both such a slow, shitty crawler and the need to have it sit on a pad for over a week.

>>14970059
>I could do a blur origin hop in 10-12 years.
Or you could buy a ticket on a real rocket instead of some gay carnival ride.

>>14970069
I’m just being pessimistic lol. By then I hope Starship is flying people regularly though

>>14970044
Sounds like Kurzgesagt hit a nerve

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom_Mons
Bros I want to live on Mount Doom

>>14970076
no you dont

>>14970033
Kurzgesagt is funded by Bill Gates

>wake up
>sls is going to be destroyed by a hurricane
$4.1 BILLION dollars and 15 years of work down the drain? heads need to roll. companies need to go out of business. nasa needs new leadership. we need decades of prison for embezzling taxpayer money.

>>14970077
Yes I do
Snowing methane would be KINO

>>14970084
Oh come on, since when has a little inclement weather ever destroyed a rocket?

>>14970064
I can't wait to see SLS buckle over like a depressurized Atlas and then the SRBs detonate while sideways rain whips around.

>>14970103
>no chance to roll back now
>it actually does get hurricane'd
This is SO stupid.

>>14970106
You'd think they'd at least put a tarp over it or something.

>>14970087
it would be too cold

>>14970114
for you

I want to live in a comfy Subnautica base on Europa

>>14970117
The best I can do is a Suburban base in Europe.

>>14970117
Too bad. It's gonna be Barotrauma.

>>14970106
Literally nothing will happen to it, you can quote me on that.

>>14970103
It's over

>>14970123
SLS delenda est

>>14970117
No metals, no base aquatard

>>14970059
I'd say just keep saving that (or do safe investments) and try to wait more to see if we get cheaper rides, Starship might be a better option if it works well.

If it wasn't for SpaceX, the future of spaceflight would be so disappointing.
Think about it, NASA is going to waste two decades fucking around the Moon. And by fucking around I mean launching, at best, one mission a year, building Gateway (that nobody really needs). Only at the end of the 30s, they say there's going to launch a surface habitat. Not a word about increased launch cadence.

>>14970147
Forced contractor consolidation in the 90s was the worst thing the federal government had done since desegregation.

>>14970155
It's not even that. Almost everything that NASA does just seems to lack ambition, compared to what they did in the previous century. They keep sending those probes around the Solar system, but what does that really change? Some guys write papers about rocks or old starts but we're still locked here and at best we can send less than 20 people to space in a year.

>>14970105
This would be kino, but I would like to see it RUD 5 sec after launch like N1 and destroy the launch pad.

>>14970167
pretty sure there's plenty of ambition in NASA, but their biggest issue is obviously money

they would shill for ambitious programs, if they believed they had a non-zero chance of being funded

>>14970167
Shut the fuck up
Probes get us much farther into new places, manned spaceflight keeps us locked into the same few places for much more cost

>the robocuck has awoken

>>14970172
If that was true, they would be trying to find an alternative to Orion.

>>14970006
there is some great space content on the Oculus. There is a 3D tour of ISS, plus the odd documentary. Not shilling for that platform in particular but when headsets get smaller 3d launches will be really quite kino.

They rolled out the moon rover for the Astros victory parade

>>14970117
Subnautica bases are ass.

>>14970213
that's just a houston thing, they always tout nasa. there is probably a rodeo float there too.

>>14970220
Is this Mars?>>14970220

>>14970207
I won't fall for your tricks Zuck.
For real, is it the best? I want to get a VR headset someday but I my first choice would be the SteamVR. Wanna try space engine with it.

>>14970105

>>14970169
Isn't it already an expendable launch platform?
Cost Plus saves the day!

>>14970169
Id rather see it go full challenger. I want to see how far the 5 segment boosters get on their own.

>SLS is going to be destroyed by a cat 1 hurricane

>>14970231

>>14969637
To improve Earth's temperature.

it's over

>>14970251
fingers crossed

>>14970021
God help us that this is true. NASA delenda est.

>>14970271
Believe it or not, this is a good sign- destacking is a necessary step for a 33 engine static fire.

>>14970276
Why?

>>14970155
They had over 100 contractors for the SLS. If anything they need less.

>>14970277
They decided that their test program up to launch would involve separate static fires of both vehicles followed by a full stack wet dress rehearsal. At that point, they should have their pre-license itinerary cleared (the licensing process is ongoing) and they should be able to proceed toward launch operations.

>berger thinks sls is finito
how realistic is this?

>>14970213
Are we expected to believe that this tank is the only usable moon rover but in 1969 they drove a papercraft model around and it worked just fine?

>>14970277
This >>14970280
But also IIRC there is an actual itinerary document, and de-stack is listed there. So sorry that I can't find it.

>>14970288
>But also IIRC there is an actual itinerary document, and de-stack is listed there. So sorry that I can't find it.
Got you covered

>>14970281
Está terminado.

>>14970282
This rover design is more like a mobile LM than a simple rover. It solved the moon dust problem by making the EVA suits dock into ports on the back.

>>14970281
20% chance now

>>14970281
SLS damaged and needs 6 months repairs.
Starship flies to orbit this year.
It's total finito.

>>14970300
>Starship flies to orbit this year.
Think again, Jack

Why does nasa have such incredibly high safety standards on paper, but is also willing to leave SLS in a fucking Hurricane?

>>14970311
the road ran out of magical Alabama rocks

>>14970313
wait, with more rollbacks there's a greater need for those rocks and therefore more jobs
roll SLS to the VAB NOW

>>14969025
you don't
its not worth it

>>14970314
it takes a lot of time and planning to rebuild that road

B-bros… it’s been active for a while now and it’s still getting brighter

>>14970324
if it actually happens within our lifetimes i will forever laugh at astrotrannies

>>14970321
Why is NASA so retarded? They could just build heavy-duty rails.

People say Starship testing is slow but it’s still fun

>>14970335
it's not that easy in locomotory

>>14970231
>I'm a woman now!

>>14970343
If the poos can build a working launchpad rail system in India I'm sure NASA can eat their pride and hire a White man to build one here.

SLS will be fine

>>14970335
Because that's what the Ruskies do in Baikonur and the Euros do in Guyana

>>14970349
Probably but is it safe to just launch it after it survives a hurricane?

>>14970350
Everyone knows muh russia.

>>14970349
Read Berger for once in your life

>>14970335
Mogs on all of those for 1/100th the cost

soulless

>>14970324
This is, unironically, normal for Betelgeuse. It has pretty wide variations in brightness.

i remember a few of years ago when the air force lost a dozen f-22 raptors due to a hurricane in florida. there's just something about florida government workers that makes them extra dumb.

https://thediplomat.com/2018/10/nearly-10-percent-of-the-us-f-22-inventory-was-damaged-or-destroyed-in-hurricane-michael/
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/24442/we-finally-know-how-many-f-22s-were-left-behind-at-tyndall-afb-during-hurricane-michael

>>14970327
why

>>14970366
because it was deemed exceedingly unlikely

Why did nasa roll sls out directly into a hurricane? just wondering

>>14970366
The actually offered margin of time is between "now" and "in a million years."

>>14970368
Launch fever

>>14970368
;)

>>14970368
ballast decided this was better than outright cancellation

>>14970367
>>14970369
They gave us the estimate they had. They're not denying it could go supernova at any moment

They know betelgeuse is nearly dead, but 'nearly' in stellar life cycles can be a pretty long time

>>14970368
SLS is actually pretty unpopular in congress despite Alabama’s best efforts. NASA needs it flying asap

>>14970359
We all know NASA diversity negros are too stupid to maintain something this useful and versatile. Keep it on rails so they can't joyride it.

>>14970375
When it goes nova but nothing happens to the star, astrotrannies will be on suicide watch.

>>14970377
Agree, it should fly like Challenger.

>>14970375
Astronomer hate is a thing that's stepped up around here with all the media effort being spent to cry about it to generate bad publicity towards Starlink, and after the overwhelmingly expensive development of JWST while there's still just pretty pictures to see and we're still waiting for the scientific return.

>>14970383
>after the overwhelmingly expensive development of JWST while there's still just pretty pictures to see and we're still waiting for the scientific return.
You forgot the fact that they horribly botched its production and axed the image quality, meaning the mission it was designed for can no longer be performed.

SLS must fly before Starship. That is why it will.

Elon Musk: Worshipped by reddit, promotes green energy with his teslas, lived in the most blue state known as California.Repersented the american dream of america getting back to business selling rockets to NASA than Roscosmos by introducing re-usable rockets which forced the Russians to start Amur rocket project.

>Moves to a red state like Texas, Bashes AOC on twitter(mouse and nyanners follow her on twitch), tells everyone to vote Republican.
>Starts alot of pro-Russia shilling.
>Tells Ukraine to fuck off about star link.

Has anyone changed their support about Space X or no?

>>14970375
if your estimate is "between now and a million years" that means you're proposing reasonable uniform or gaussian distribution within that span.
in both cases it follows that it's exceedingly unlikely to happen in our lifetimes.

SLS must fly before Falcon Heavy. That is why it.. uhh nevermind...

>>14970389
Man, I’m fine with everything except the Russia stuff. Elon being based is fine although I think he should hide his power level more because if his negative public perception affects SpaceX, we’re fucked

>>14970393
agree on that.

>>14969959
No wonder Buddhism has the quote "identity is bondage"

>>14970393
>propose a peaceful solution
>"AAAAHHHHHH, YOU'RE A RUSSIAN SHILL!!!!!"

>>14970399
Scientifically speaking, global nuclear war will speed up Mars. Musk being anti-global nuclear war means he's anti-Mars and thus anti-space

>>14970384
>You forgot the fact that they horribly botched its production and axed the image quality, meaning the mission it was designed for can no longer be performed.
what?? qrd??

>>14970389
alot of people with elon derangement syndrome try to separate out spacex from elon. alot of them were begging the government to forcibly oust elon and nationalize the company after the ukraine issue.

>>14970399
“Peaceful” in that case means ceding land to Russia. Not trying to let this thread get derailed tho.
I also didn’t like how Elon wanted Taiwan to become a part of mainland China, although Elon has shilled China a lot in the past desu. Still love him but the dude needs to be more careful

>>14970401
How do you want to send anything to orbit when the world becomes a nuclear wasteland?

Mind blowing that almost 2X more Raptor 2’s have been built than Raptor 1’s

>>14969952
>>14969959
Same argument could be applied to agile development vs traditional cost plus which leads to people being unable to change their mind due to sunk cost fallacy being deeply ingrained. Its painful to consider your entire 20 years of life has been worthless and waste of money.

>>14970405
Scientifically speaking
joke
-----
head

>>14970409
>Mind blowing that almost 2X more Raptor 2’s have been built than Raptor 1’s
no they didn't reset the count

>>14970384
>>14970402
They literally reported the exact opposite of that.

Soyuz-2 with a fat head

>>14970294
>single-species prop system testing

They just got done with that

>de stacked static fire tests
>including B7 33 engine

HOLY SHIT ITS NEXT

>>14970399
Fuck off Neville.

>>14970425
cool. we are going

>>14970416
why does elon try to recover his fairings when he could just make them out of duct tape

>>14970410
That's why the boomers not having enough kids caused stagnation. The generation in charge stayed the same far too long.

>>14970416
soyuz and sls are cool because of how industrial they look

>>14970261
Amazing

>>14970378
Why hasn't spacex built rails yet. That would also remove the need for the constant road closures

>>14970437
Agreed

>>14970311
"people" like you are the reason they didn't launch last time despite that the hurricane was a nothingburger and the rollback did more damage.

SAFETY always comes first

They should've rolled back the SLS when they had the chance, now it's too late

Reminder that we are going. MSIB in place for this Thursday. Last time this happened was for the 7 engine static fire

>>14970454
nonstop L's for SLS

>>14969637
To make global warming a reality?

>>14970488
LLL

>>14970496
What would the TWR of the SSS be?

>>14970496
i'm in love with sssl
why am i like this?

>>14970509
A hydrolox upper stage the size of the SLS core would be an amazing thing

>>14970501
yes

>>14970496
>LLL
Now add two SRBs to each L core

>>14970511
direct insertion to Saturn

>>14970368
never heard of "move fast and break things"?

>>14970509
The top would snap off in 10 mph winds.

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1590102596622114816

https://investor.astra.com/news-releases/news-release-details/astra-announces-third-quarter-2022-financial-results

>>14970536
>runway
as someone who worked in the startup industry, that means the company is usually on the road to shutting down

>>14970536
So they have like 9 months of runway or something? I only skimmed the financials though lol

>>>/sci/sfg

>>14970550

>>14970536
>Reevaluates the value of their assets, loses 75M$ in valuation
>Only 50M$ in cash, the equivalent of 3 months
Kek

>>14968649
NOOO YOU CANT JUST DIRECTLY COMPARE THESE TWO ROCKETS NOOOOOOO

>>14970540
kinda sad, their stream caster was cute

>>14970554
I wonder if the TPS is finalized such that SpaceX would, if they could, leave a stacked booster out in Nicole to run a hurricane stress test.

Also, they were saying how this is the first quarter their gross margin is profitable. That's only because they had no launches.

They made 5M$ but spent 25M$ for their last 2 launches.

>>14968974
If I recall correctly there was some issue with maintaining line of sight if the rover is at the poles. Equatorial Titan is still very interesting and alien anon

>>14970540
>>14970542
Last I saw their runway terminated in 202*5*. They're humped.
t. astranon

>>14970558
Isn't this pic at the rocket garden? >>14970220
Seems to me like they have a stealth long-term TPS test.

>>14970440
Elon is being pretty Jewish about the infrastructure around Boca. He still hasn't shelled out for the new road that absolutely needs to be built given the condition of the current one.

>>14970591
It has to be an aerospace-grade road though. And you know what material that requires.

>>14970593

>>14970621
Brave. Stalwart. Facing its certain but ignoble death head-on.

NOVEMBER 16TH now

>>14970648
Nov. 27th launch is the only daytime launch where I have any chance of being awake, so I ordain it must launch then

>>14970652
>24 minutes

>>14970411
>i-im merely pretending to be retarded!!

https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1590116388403785729

Its' over

>>14969193
the answer I get back on that one is that 2 billion dollars going to public servants is better than 2 million dollars going to Elon Musk

>>14970654
it takes me much fewer than 24 minutes to launch my rocket to completion, I'm sure NASA is capable too

>>14969242
what in the kerbal fuck happened here

hope that bald midge astronaut gets deorbited today

>>14970659
Just say that their complacency has led to a situation where the science, rocketry, environmental monitoring, and space exploration that NASA is meant to do cannot do them so long as Lockheed Martin and Boeing continue to siphon off the majority of NASA's budget. You need to control the argument and if they get mad at Musk, just posit the scenario where Lockheed Martin (one of the largest arms manufacturers on the planet) is allowed to hollow out an institution because it doesn't actually want to do the work it is paid to do, and SpaceX doesn't. And if they genuinely believe that SpaceX is more evil than fucking Lockheed Martin all because Elon says mean things on Twitter. You just need to point out the hypocrisy.

REMINDER:
NASA is more scared to roll back SLS than force it to endure a hurricane

>>14970692
Good thing Orion sits within a fairing or I'd be worried about Starliner style RCS valve failures.

>>14970692
SLS is only certified for 2-3 rollouts I think.

>>14970697
That is less of a concern than the expiration of the SRBs. I believe Berger mentioned that after their recertification one them is set to expire in November and the other in December.

>>14970648
>1:04 a.m.
Ephesians 5:11

>>14970657
it is’ over jy2y8x

>>14970701
both early December

....they destacked....

>>14970733
its over

>>14970701
SRBs cant expire. if someone tells you that they're lying and scamming to sell you more

>>14970738
Single-cast SRBs don't expire. O-rings might.

>>14970738
Nothing lasts forever anon

>>14970738
you leave them out too long they will start to stink

>>14970746
They start to taste stale after a while too

>S25 returned to production site
>S24 destacked
it's over

>>14970738
Just slap on an extra pair. It can't be that hard in rocketry.

Why don't they fill up the SLS so it doesn't blow away in the hurricane? Its like an empty beer can right now

So all that’s left is for B7 to work up to a 33 engine test, then it’s ready to go?

>>14970780
Yeah 2 weeks

>>14970764
They couldn't fill the tanks last time becasue the fuel leaked.

>>14970797
fill them with sand then, just flush it out when the storm passes

>>14970363
Cursed patch

>>14970454
Based mother nature for conjuring up a freak storm barely powerful enough to fuck SLS over yet again

>>14970536
The schadenfreude from Astra's press this week has been delightful

>>14970536
Based runway

>>14970780
>upgrades to b7 and s24
>33 engine test
>restack
>33 engine test with s24 stacked
>upgrades to stage 0
>faa license

The kino IVA suit

Best tits in spaceflight?

>>14970864
this is so fucking gay I don’t even have words to describe how stupid this is

>>14970864
This is stupid

>>14970864
The only way this happened is if Bezos sponsored it personally

>>14970864
This made me gay

>>14970856
they're doing a 13 engine static fire first. then 16, then 24, then 33

>>14970864
would be fine if she was in a falcon 9 or or starship cosplay

>>14970564
I'm still gonna follow the mission, but would it be TOO hard to get a small relay sat with Dragonfly to help it? Even with increased cost, I think it would be worth it for the scientific data from the lakes.
Damn, I just want to get the chance to see Titan's lakes during my lifetime. I hope Starship is successful because I can't keep having this hobby when the space missions are always painfully slow and far and few between.

>>14970864
more like the worst dicks in spaceflight

Holy FUCK am I glad I got out early.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/chrisckemp_today-we-made-the-difficult-decision-to-activity-6995868932138033153-knfZ/

>Starship is stagnating and dropping tiles while Elon Crust just liquidated more than 2x the yearly budget of SLS in Tesla stock to save face in his blunder of buying twatter

>>14970949
why is NASA even wasting its time trying to fly ANY payload with this ARCA-tier company, even if they are meme gibs payloads

>>14970954
All according to the x.com master plan

>>14970991
Planet X when?

>>14970059
in a decade you can just buy a Starship ride to the moon for that amount of money

>>14970753
That is literally what's supposed to happen if you read the itinerary.

>>14971006
i don't read anything I can't pronows

I've been thinking about Quantized Inertia and I think it's possible to keep the more fun parts (Unruh radiation, meme thrusters, etc.) without tossing GR or even dark matter. I think what QI offers, if only accidentally, is a quantum gravity theory that doesn't require a graviton particle to exist at all.

>>14970994
AresX

>>14971012
>>>/lit/sffg/
>>>/x/

Thank you, /sfg/

>>14971044
Politics is for fags I literally waited in line for 55 minutes just to skip every choice and write in hitler/von braun wherever I could

EARTHERS!!!!!!!!!

REEEEEEEEEEEEE

Ladies and gentlemen please give a round of applause for your Richard Shelby replacement, Senator Mommy! Although sadly she will not assume Mr. Shelby's committee assignments. Who will save SLS now?

>>14971051
>Not writing in Big Jim
ngtmi

>>14971058
Jim has been shrinking for awhile now...

>>14971051
>I literally waited in line for 55 minutes
Where the fuck do you live, NYC?

I think Jim Bridenstine will run for office in 2024

Space Yachts: 20 -30 years?

>>14970994
That things gonna need a graviton telescope or something

>>14971076
An industry Mr. Bezos is eager to disrupt

>>14971076
We only got yachts after a long time of ships being used mostly for commercial and military purposes, so I'd say it will take longer.

>>14971084
the difference here is, leisure will be a significant factor in jumpstarting the space economy
I mean shit, how many tourism rides has spacex lined up already? Dennis Tito, Dear Moon, Isaacman etc.

>>14971056
Who can stop the will of God?

>>14971091
Those are just rides, not a yacht.
But I guess a point you have is that spaceflight has essentially not commercial application beyond Earth's orbit, compared to how much shipping is essential to the world, so you might be right.

>>14971093
>all of New England right in the cone
FFFFFFF-
>as a tropical depression
oh lol, we'll be fine

>>14971093
if it survives, then God has blessed SLS and damned the Starship to Hell