/sci/ - Science & Math

>>14958997
I really don't give a shit that you're swedish.

>>14958997
>What is the problem?
Your government

>>14958997
>"Climate change" should basically just be a struggle to improve air quality/reduce air pollution to ACCEPTABLE levels where we live. Because it's nice to breathe clean air.
It doesn't work when half the globe is trying but then China and India (1/3 of the world's population) just keep running on coal
>Reduce ozone-depleting substances
Already done, you won't find ODS in almost anything now. That's how the hole in the ozone layer got fixed.
>Reduce waste and plastic in the ocean
Sensible but not related to "climate change"


>What is the problem?
Climate warming and drying, fresh water running out in equatorial overpopulated places, sea levels rising much faster than anyone cares about. Thirsty overheated refugees whose coastal city got washed away by the sea are gonna swarm your country much worse than they already do in about 15 years. Literally the entire world is gonna move to your nice western country and collapse your economies and there's nothing you can do about it.

Here's some
Kot
Nuclear
Energy

>>14959018
>and there's nothing you can do about it

Yeah exactly

>>14959059
Because it's too late

>>14958997
There’s mountains of evidence showing that we are indeed greatly accelerating warming with CO2. It’s a plain, measured and quantified fact. With regards to temperatures, the rate of warming is 10x faster compared to all the ramp ups of the interglacials going back 1 million years.

>>14959018
the whole world just keep running on coal to be honest

>>14958997
>school
public school = government indoctrination camps.

>>14959072
kek, no.

>>14959072
>the rate of warming is 10x faster compared to all the ramp ups of the interglacials going back 1 million years
On the chart it looks less steep though
>Temperature estimates relative to today from over 800,000 years of the EPICA ice cores in Antarctica

>>14959018
>It doesn't work when half the globe is trying but then China and India (1/3 of the world's population) just keep running on coal
WRONG. It is YOU that has to do your part. Every time you go grocery shopping you should not be using ANY bags at all. You should be carrying all your loose items in your arms and you MUST walk the five miles home on foot with your goods. This alone will fix the globe by over 20 percents and then the climate WILL drastic go down. China and India should NOT have to worry at all about the climate because it was YOU that warmed it all up to the shit with YOUR LIES

>>14959842
The chart I posted is increasing radiative forcing due to increasing CO2
That data from the EPICA ice core does not include modern temperatures.
Previously it took 1-2k years per degree of warming, now we’ve surpassed that in 100
>>14959719
Truly an amazing argument

>>14958997
I like the meatballs.

>>14959967
> more spam by the rich 1%'s trolls, trying to convince you of a crisis, that only taxing you more can solve.

>>14959018
>It doesn't work when half the globe is trying but then China and India (1/3 of the world's population) just keep running on coal
Correct.

China pollutes more than the rest of the world combined.

China is a real plague on the world. It needs to be wiped clean.

>>14958997

>>14959967
>That data from the EPICA ice core does not include modern temperatures.
Where does it say that? The chart starts at zero and the data is in 100 year increments with the top layer being the most recent. I couldn't really find their data on my phone but here's another ice core analysis that shows that method is used to get recent data only 5 years old
>Three ice cores drilled at Law Dome, East Antarctica from 1987 to 1993 resulted in atmospheric CO2 records from 1006 A.D. to 1978 A.D.
https://www.co2.earth/co2-ice-core-data
Your first chart only shows ten years of data and the second chart shows the same thing as the chart I posted does, that we're coming out of a coder period into a hotter one. Some studies also say that the co2 changes don't match the amount of human emissions and the temperature changes lead the co2 changes quite a lot if you look at the highlights section here
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0921818112001658

>>14958997
So you're a racist science denying Swede? Don't care your country is irrelevant have fun with that

>>14960207
You’re confusing CO2 records with temperature records and not referring to the right ice core. Paleo temperature proxies like the pic you posted use different methodologies than CO2 measurements which can be done on more recent snow that’s not completely compacted into glacial ice.
That second paper is known to be shoddy, as there’s direct measurements of the spectra of incoming/outgoing radiation and how much is radiating back to the planet from the extra CO2

>>14960207
Additionally that second paper completely ignores the isotopic values of anthropogenic CO2

>What am I missing?
Water pollution

>>14959018
>It doesn't work when half the globe is trying but then China and India (1/3 of the world's population) just keep running on coal
Hey, unless you are Russell you have no reason to not understand the principle that "1 < 2", and "less < more".
As a denizen of reality, you should also be familiar with the concept of "more something => more effect".
Were you able to follow?

>>14960082
>>14959018
China is our factory, if you wipe China we will build factories in other parts of the planet, ignore these guys i already proved they are ameritards.

Check this map, they will extinguish our planet. Africans are primitive hunter-gatherers, it was ok with a few of them dying of natural cause but now they reproduce and destroy like locusts, many solutions btw

>>14960254
how are they getting historical radiation measurements from hundreds of thousands of years ago? I think you're just making stuff up as you go, the goalposts keep moving. You said we're warming ten times as fast since a million years ago. I showed a graph that shows that's not true. Nothing you've shown goes back a million years like you said, you're just sharing random charts. One of them is just a subsection of the chart I shared. You also ignored the points made by that shoddy paper which are actually brought up in the EPICA research about the ice cores so it sounds like you're just reading critiques from reddit instead of reading the paper. I don't care about anything other than the ice core chart which shows what it shows because that was the point I was refuting, that's all I'm talking about. I want to see the chart from the mountains of evidence that goes back a million years and suddenly goes up in the last century or whatever like you said because the ice core chart doesn't show it and it goes up to now

>>14960254
>That second paper is known to be shoddy
I love how anything that goes against the narrative is shoddy. How very scientific. Scientists in any other field arrive at different conclusions all the time. They only ever seem to be shoddy though when they don't align with the readers politics. Covid is like that too with lots of apparently shoddy scientists. Like neuroscience around consciousness is highly contentious but nobody considers the scientists behind the non mainstream ideas to be shoddy even though they might have differing opinions or be using different data or using data in a different way etc

>>14960341
If you don’t know anything about this subject don’t comment on it. Radiative forcing due to increased CO2 greenhouse effect has been measured with satellite and ground based instruments, that’s the first data I posted but apparently you can’t even read the axes. We are indeed warming faster than before as you see in >>14959967 where the warming of the ramp up of the interglacial period is 1000-2000 years per degree of warming at its faster until we get to modern times. This is also visible on the ice core record but apparently you got confused by the scale.
The CO2 lag paper ignores basic evidence of quantitative characterization of the new CO2 in the atmosphere. It’s an intrinsic property of CO2 to radiate in the IR.
You need to learn about this before you go off, since the charts I’ve posted have all the necessary information about what they show. As I said the EPICA core does not include modern temperatures because the snow has not been compacted enough to allow that kind of measurement. Recent snow and firn does however store bubbles that can be analyzed for atmospheric composition and do actually record the isotopic values and quantity of anthropogenic CO2.

from another distance (space distance) our plante is born and die in the same time or minute.
nothing matter all is based on lies. live your life as free as you can

>>14958997
>Everybody are of equal value
Only before god.

>>14960918
The resolution of the historical data is incapable of revealing short-term spikes like we have now. Every glaciation cycle probably ends with a big spike, but it's not captured in ice core data because it starts and ends too quickly.

>>14961478
Rapid warming lie this one would absolutely be resolved in an ice core and in other types of proxies like sediment cores with better resolution than ice cores. Even averaging for 100-200 years the 1-0.5C anomalies would be plain to see.

>>14961535
An anomalous half-C warming that disappears in a decade or two would be within the margin of error and get taken out as an outlier.

>>14958997
>Everybody are of equal value
This is disgusting even to those that are deemed inferior.
>that we are absolutely ripping the climate to shreds
This is true if you look at things like global temperature, the culprit is oil but then you'll realize without oil the modern world simply cannot exist, it's back to the 19th century and then when the coal runs out back to the 16th century.

Climate change and global warming are two separate phenomena, one is measured and overrated, the other is hysteria and related to all the theories about the magnetic poles shifting etc.

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>>14958997

>>14959018
>sea levels rising
I doubt anyone who lives on the beach would confirm this.

>>14963044
What a delightful line of reasoning.

>Earth is curved
I doubt anyone who lives on the beach would confirm this

>>14958997
>Climate "crisis"
Is a hoax and a scam on the low-I.Q. idiots.

>>14964518
classic low IQ take

>>14958997
It's the same grift doomers have been pushing since the 70s. Doing things to "address climate change" is just a sleek envelope to push shitty policy likely driven by ulterior motives.

>>14963112
>I doubt anyone who lives on the beach would confirm this
Yes, everyone on the beach can confirm, no reason to crawl out from under your stone and look for yourself.

>>14964679
so what are we talking about some kind of 'Godzilla jew'

pretty impressive...

>C02
Didn't read

Have you considered the possibility that mother Earth actually wanted this to happen and enjoys it?

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>>14958997
>I've come to the realization that both are probably not true.
Good for you. Realizing you have been duped is the first step.

Climate Change is absolutely real and will be devastating, mostly for poor shitskins in the south, and will drive them north. But the problem is that liberal societies like America and Western Europe are not serious countries so they do not make serious proposals to curb the effects of it, or to reduce their impact to negligible levels, or the people are outright retarded and will deny it purely because people they don’t like believe in it. So there’s basically no point caring about it because nothing will be done about the issue. eco-fascist nationalism and nuclear energy are the only cures for the future and present problems surrounding climate change. Unfortunately we just get faggots pushing electric cars onto the coal powered grid, demanding we tax random wagies for driving a Honda Civic to work, and encourage hundreds of millions of shitskins to come here and increase their carbon footprint so line continue to go up.

reminder that "climate change" proponents don't even really believe in it

>>14959967
>due to increasing co2
How do you know it's not concrete?
Humans contribute but a fraction of co2, yet have managed to cover a sizeable chunk of space with concrete and other materials that store heat, while displacing plants, that are great at converting heat.

>>14968207
>Humans contribute but a fraction of co2
That’s demonstrably false.
>concrete and other materials that store heat
The radiative forcing of CO2 radiating back IR to the planet has been measured and quantified as a function of increased CO2 from fossil fuels, ad confirmed by its isotopic signature

>>14968315
>The radiative forcing of CO2 radiating back IR to the planet has been measured and quantified as a function of increased CO2 from fossil fuels, ad confirmed by its isotopic signature
By an experiment performed in a lab inside glassware, not in the real world.

>>14968315
>That’s demonstrably false.
So you're saying that Earth had no CO2 before humans made it?
>The radiative forcing of CO2 radiating back IR to the planet has been measured and quantified as a function of increased CO2 from fossil fuels, ad confirmed by its isotopic signature
Mars has no measurable greenhouse effect and Mars has 2000% more CO2 per unit area than Earth, does physics just work differently on Mars or something?

>>14968337
>image
fake news as usual, that photo was from after a festival in 2015

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>>14968207
>Humans contribute but a fraction of co2
True.
One volcanic eruption is like decades of human CO2 activity.

>>14963112
>I doubt anyone who lives on the beach would confirm this
Only just about everyone who watched a ship going past the horizon. Arguments like yours are why people have problems taking warmers seriously.

>>14958997
my view is that we are capable of manipulating our environment to benefit us as humans. we do this all the time. we clearcut forests, dam rivers, lay asphalt.
if the planet is increasing in temperature, it doesn't matter if that is something the planet "naturally does", we can exert control over the process, and we ought to.
if a meteor were heading toward earth, do we accept our demise, or do we attempt to prevent it?
you will not be affected to any significant extent by climate change, even if we do nothing. nor will i, nor will our children, realistically. but we are capable of shaping the earth to be different than how it would be without our influence.

>>14969303
>Arguments like yours are why people have problems taking warmers seriously.
It was merely a parody of a denier's argument. Thanks for agreeing that denialists use idiotic arguments.

>>14958997
>ozone-depleting substances
Ozone shit was a hoax.

>>14969459
Proof? Source?

>>14969155
>One volcanic eruption is like decades of human CO2 activity.
False.
https://skepticalscience.com/volcanoes-and-global-warming-intermediate.htm

>>14960918
How accurate are the ice core records to actual CO2 levels in the most recent 100 year ‘top layer’ vs the past. Wouldn’t an ice core be too loose to accurately capture CO2 levels from 1960?

>>14959967
Global surface temperature must be a model in some way. What is the methodology for estimating surface temperature 20k years ago?

>>14965707
holy based

>>14969987
>methodology for estimating surface temperature 20k years ago?
Magic. Hocus Pocus. >>14969506
>https://skepticalscience.com/
KEK!

>>14969462
The ozone hole still exists despite CFCs being banned for 30 years, and no empirical research has ever proven their interaction with high-altitude O3. The tests were only conducted in laboratory glassware.

>>14958997
>needs ultra pure air
Black smoke is good for but only in moderate amounts.

>>14969987
They are accurate and overlap with in situ CO2 measurements from the regions where the cores are taken.
>>14960254
>>14960260
These values are from loosely packed ice, which allows for CO2 measurements but sadly not for paleotemperature estimations

>>14969155
If that were true it would show up in the isotopes.

>>14969987
They use a wide variety of proxies from all over the planet

>>14970722
What is the model that this proxy data is run through? Are the proxies trustworthy?

>>14958997
>Everyone is of equal value.
Equality is an imaginary construct.
NO physical scientific evidence of Equity in reality.
No state of matter in the universe is equal.
Symmetry appeals to the brains desire to compartmentalize and simplify.
All communist-socialist-marxist dialectics should kill themselves, equally.

>>14958997
Stop noticing things and start paying your carbon tax

>>14970735
>All communist-socialist-marxist dialectics should kill themselves, equally.
They won't though. So it is up to the rest of us.

>>14966974
Based, the West will be responsible for the death and suffering of billions but they will rationalize it because they want to stay in nice place with airbnb and go to Costco, buy $2 spatula made in China by a guy for 5 cents an hour.
Anon is complicit because he collects fucking manga like a weeb

>>14959851
I know this is probably bait but
>Every time you go grocery shopping you should not be using ANY bags at all.
The burger doesn't know about multi-use cloth bags.
>and you MUST walk the five miles home on foot with your goods.
The burger fears the bycicle and public transportation.
>This alone will fix the globe by over 20 percents and then the climate WILL drastic go down.
Nobody says that. Climate change is a global problem and can only tackled globally, which is why the prospects of stopping it are bleak. Still someone has to make the first step. It's only fitting that we in the First World make the first steps, as we are responsible for the vast majority of greenhouse gasses already in the air.
>China and India should NOT have to worry at all about the climate
Nobody says that. But you'd know that if you were arguing in good faith.

>>14960078
>trying to convince you of a crisis
Fucking illuminati kikeniggers putting all those natural disasters in my country to convince me of a made up crisis.

>>14971376
Freak weather events like hurricanes and tornadoes have declined in both severity and number since 1800.

>>14971384
Yeah, no. We have a hundred-year flood every 2 years now. Maybe Bumfuckistan, Kentucky sees less tornadoes, but the funny thing about climate change is that it doesn't affect the entire globe equally. Some parts get hotter, others colder.
But seeing a local change and generalizing it is an endemic problem with denialist retards.
>retard sees more snow than usual for once
>hurr how is global warming real

>>14971407
How do you even know what a "hundred year flood" is? You've fucked watersheds up so much with dams and infrastructure that there's no natural behavior left anymore. Most places used to flood every year.

>>14971423
>How do you even know what a "hundred year flood" is?
>have a flood in 2022
>water levels are the highest since 1922
>hundred-year flood
>have a flood in 2023
>water levels are even higher than 2022
>another hundred-year flood

>You've fucked watersheds up so much with dams and infrastructure that there's no natural behavior left anymore.
What, I thought water levels rise and fall naturally and humans cannot influence this. You're telling me humans can affect the environment?! Gee, I hope they won't pollute the atmosphere by burning fossil fuels or something!

>>14971598
>burning fossil fuels
Blasphemer. The only ways for humans to affect environment is via dams, chemtrails and HAARP (and 5G towers, perhaps). Fossil fuels are a big no-no.

>this post was sent via verified Heartland institute device

>>14970712
But those cores are all taken from the Antarctic right?
So how are we measuring or approximating ancient Antarctic temperatures?

>>14971861
CO2 is well mixed in the atmosphere pretty quickly so those bubbles are representing global co2, isotopic temperature proxies reflect the regional temperature only