/sci/ - Science & Math

Red Dragon got shit-canned for political reasons as it would have shown a commercial capsule to be more capable than Orion, which for a so-called "deep exploration vehicle" was pathetically unable to achieve any of the goals set for the Red Dragon mission. Can't have NASA or Lockheed Martin look bad, that just won't do.

Weird rave lights under the booster

>>14955211
OP makes NASA look really bad.

what's the deal with spacex? do they still make new rockets or are they just coasting off of falcon launches?

>>14955211
>as it would have shown a commercial capsule to be more capable than Orion
Dragon has already done that
>inb4 Dragon can't go to the moon
So far neither can Orion

>>14955213
caramelldansen

reminder that SpaceX still hasn't proven that landing the core booster is possible

>>14955227
*caramerlinengine

>>14955230
But they did, it just fell over afterwards.

I’m gonna miss shitposting in /sfg/

Is there a chance of Polaris eventually expanding to Lunar missions? (First an orbital like dearMoon then ground missions)

>>14955240
that'll just be what Artemis is once NASA sees it can send about 200x as many astronauts by dropping SLS+Orion

>>14955244
I'm specifically talking about private missions, can it happen before Artemis does the switch?

>>14955240
Its possible, but I think the current manifest is to test EVA/human brain + Starship human in Earth Orbit.

>>14955235
Just move to /stg/

This is unironically a good idea.

>>14955235
going to basic?

>>14955244
Deep space dragon doesn't exist

Where will Martian colonists get CO2 and H2O for farming? Is the plan just gonna be to have hundreds of nuclear reactors scattered everywhere for the batshit insane energies required to collect both of those resources from Mars? Or will we transport CO2 and H2O From somewhere else?

>>14955266
the atmosphere on Mars is made of C02 but it has to be compressed to be fed to plants. Water is also present to some degree especially near the poles

>>14955266
CO2 is on the atmosphere, H2O is on the poles and underground.

>>14955268
There's a fuckload of underground water ice.

>>14955266
There's already plenty of water and CO2. CO2 can simply be taken from the atmosphere. Water depends entirely on what we learn in the future. If groundwater exists to the extent currently predicted it wouldn't be all to hard getting to it.

Nitrogen is probably what you should worry about regarding farming.

>>14955274
There's lots of nitrogen in the atmosphere, as well as xenon and argon, and uranium in the crust (not useful for farming but it makes NEP ships to the outer system feasible when Earthers can't stop you from using HEU).

>>14955276
I can only imagine how much energy it would take to filter out that nitrogen from that thin ass atmosphere wew.

>>14955281
Very little. A nitrogen/argon mix is a free byproduct of filtering the CO2 for Sabatier reactor.

>The idea is that we can increase tether velocity to many kilometers per second, then release small masses from the tether tips. This can be water or dust grains or whatever can flow down the tether’s length. Their release generates recoil in the opposite direction: that’s thrust. Momentum is lost with each release, though it can be regenerated by an electric motor that spins the tether.
>If we mount a tether like this on a spacecraft, it can be used as a rocket engine as propellant exiting in one direction and thrust produced in the opposite direction. As long as two counter-rotating tethers are used, there is no torque. Essentially, they become an electric thruster with an ‘exhaust velocity’ equal to the tether tip velocity.
>There are many advantages. The tethers can use nearly any propellant they can pipe to their tips. Whether it is dust gathered from an asteroid’s surface, nitrogen scooped up from the edge of Earth’s atmosphere or water derived from a lunar mining operation, it can all go in the propellant tanks with minimal processing. That means there is no need to haul a chemical factory with you to every landing site in the Solar System.
>A tether rocket compares favourably in many ways to existing technology like Hall effect thrusters or MPD thrusters. They do not have to pay the energy penalty to ionize their propellant, nor do they have the pulsed energy storage concerns of mass drivers (railguns, coilguns).
http://toughsf.blogspot.com/2020/05/water-disk-rocket.html

>>14955285
>THBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBT

>>14955261
Boot. Should be “fun”.

>>14955284
Getting the nitrogen is relatively cheap. Haber-Bosch-ing ammonia is energetically expensive. You could also use nitrogen fixing bacteria, but you'd need ammonia anyway as feedstock for other industrial processes.

>>14955299
>ammonia
Piss

>>14955268
>>14955271
>>14955274
>simply take
You're talking about TW worth of energy just to succ™ CO2 from the atmosphere, and most of the water is found at the poles, which means you'd have to transport massive quantities of water from the polar regions to where the colonies are, both of reach require insane levels of energy to do, and it just gets worse and worse the more people you add to the colony.

>>14955296
Oh god, there's still time lad run

>>14955296
It is fun.

>>14955303
>you'd have to transport massive quantities of water from the polar regions to where the colonies are

>>14955296
>Joining the military in 2022 AD
When SHTF, you better be one of many who defects to the right side, unless you wanna hang from a tree anon.

>>14955274
Triton Ice is nitrogen.

>>14955309
lol, you sound like you're underage.

>>14955036
>>14954916
Busy week, we had FH on 11/1 and will have F9 and recovered Electron on 11/3 and 11/4 (UTC)

>>14955313
Have fun taking a knee for Tyrone while your convoy gets hit by an IED on your way back to the planned parenthood command center.

>>14955302
Ammonia makes up a tiny fraction of piss. A person excretes something like half a gram of ammonia per day. You aren't running any serious heavy industry off of that.
>>14955303
CO2 is much energetically cheaper than food. Atmospheric processing will be one of the simplest obstacles to overcome for Mars colonization.
https://marspedia.org/Embodied_energy

>>14955285
I kinda like the concept. The pressure in the tips could be very high on the order of a few thousand bars. As new propellant flows down the tether it gains velocity while at the same time the tether is losing velocity wile transferring it's momentum to the propellant. The tether is spun by an electric motor which have a efficiency on the order of 90% compared to 30%? for ion propulsion. Still I don't think the extra mass and complexity and mass is worth it

also tangentially related:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=57508.0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IarFuHNNdUI

>>14955318
>CO2 is much energetically cheaper than food
It takes many KW's just to get a kg worth, extrapolate that for over a million people and you're talking Terawatts worth of power generation.

>>14955333
Do you think humans use thousands of kgs of CO2 per day?

>>14955339
No, but plants you need to eat to survive do.

>>14955343
Let me get this straight: You think that plants require 1000 kgs of CO2 to make 2 kgs of food? Are you retarded? If a plant could sequester a ton of CO2 per day, organic carbon capture wouldn't be a giant grift.

>>14955347
Imagine how thicc trees would be lmao

Former Astranon here, I'm an unironic Contolist now. Space gets into your blood. Working on fucking widgets or cars or whatever can never compare once you can point to a light in the sky and say "I helped put that there." I tried going back to urf industries and I just couldn't take it. I'm going to start working at Capella Space soon. My soul is no longer held down by gravity.

SIEG ZEON

>>14955351
The metabolic output would be fucking insane. A shrub would be a goddamn furnace.

>>14955214
>OP makes NASA look really bad

...Until you realize the Falcon series was supposed to have been retired in favor of bi-weekly Starship flights by now, lmfao.

>Neil Armstrong
>Neil A.
>.A lieN
wtf

So I looked back over the 4ASS Space Agriculture report, and it looks like Trader Joe's is already making menu items from it. Aside from the more prosaic things like farmed fish, there's also pic related: a pulled pork barbecue substitute made from jackfruit, vacuum sealed. "Inter-orbital food trader" may yet be a career.

>>14955347
Nigga we're talking about supporting a colony of a million people. You need a lot of food for that, a lot of food that needs a lot of CO2, CO2 that is very, very expensive to extract and use.

>>14955361
>a pulled pork barbecue substitute made from jackfruit
Oh god, why do they keep trying to turn veggies into fake meat? Just let the veggies be veggies you fuckers

>>14955364
Jackfruit supposedly tastes like meat already, which is why it's interesting as opposed to ZE BUGZ. I'll try some this weekend and report back.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackfruit#Food
>Unripe jackfruit has a mild flavor and meat-like texture and is used in curry dishes with spices in many cuisines.

>>14955363
You're not going to be spending TWhs of juice daily on CO2 compression and liquifaction for food, dipshit. The CO2 costs will be trivial compared to H2O, NH3, and phosphates, all of which either require physical mining or high temperature processes. People are continuously converting the carbohydrates from the food back into CO2. If anything, CO2 accumulation will be a problem in habs.

>>14955216
>coasting

>>14955369
based Alex

i hate earthers and their small minded petty ways.

>>14955369
This guy posts Krystal here

>>14955376
Then he is a man of culture

>>14955211
What's stopping Isacman from buying a Dragon mission himself, lobbing it into a high orbit and self-certifying it as a deep space vehicle? He keeps increasing the orbit altitude record on each successive mission.

>>14955386
No need, because Starship has higher/better potential, thus the Starship will be the main goal rather than Dragon

>>14955353
your interview went well?

>>14955405
Yeah.

>>14955409
How do I become like you and get into space companies? I want to work at relativity.

>>14955422
I'd be overjoyed to just wash dishes or push a broom for a space company.

>>14955353
>Capella Space
Based, but I heard new ITAR restrictions are coming soon for SAR which will cut into Capella's commercial viability

>>14955422
Be good at what you do and keep applying. If you don't have a degree, get one, or get trained and certified. Lurk twatter and linkedin to see who's hiring and for what, and read founder/exec interviews.

>>14955353
Congrats anon. Never heard of them, although I guess that's a good thing because they values results over rhetoric.

>>14955422
Same. All the space positions where I live require something like "5 years in a relevant industry" and I have zero space experience. How do you get your foot in the door?

>>14955426
They already have the US Air Force as a major customer so they'll be OK even in an actual declared war.

>>14955430
A space company isn't just aerospace engineers. Are you an ME or an EE? Do you program embedded Linux systems? Are you a project manager or a recruiter or a scrum master? Are you a welder or a machinist? Can you make really nice Excel spreadsheets or wrangle supply chain procurement? Being competent in *any* field they're hiring for is a foot in the door. Experience doesn't necessarily mean at other space companies.

>>14955432
Not that anon, but I've got an advanced degree in computational biology. I've got a decent background in statistics and machine learning. Is there much of dedicated data analysis demand in the aerospace field?

>>14955434
Holy shit yes. If you can do analysis of large data sets almost everyone is hiring. A single launch generates terabytes of data from engine telemetry to video streams.

>>14955409
nice I was including you in my rosary intentions

>>14955353
Char was right

>>14955436
Fuck yeah. I've tangled with some fairly big datasets. I just finished my PhD, and I was considering moving to a different field. I'll start poking around. Do you know if the interviews typically have a technical portion like for software engineering?

https://www.freepressjournal.in/science/isro-is-set-to-launch-next-set-of-36-oneweb-satellites-in-january-2023
Sir, we will be having another OneWeb launch in Jaunary

>>14955432
I'm ME, but I have a background in automotive. My escape plan is to get into Tesla as cope, because I'm cucked from SpaceX due to ITAR.

>>14955437
Thanks for that.

>>14955439
Yeah, any technical role will. Be prepared to talk about your experience, your tools, and how you'd solve a problem in the field.

>>14955444
Thanks anon. I live near a fairly big aerospace hub, and I'll throw my hat in the ring. Have an F-86 for your trouble.

>>14955443
get a permanent residence

>>14955447
shiny 50s jets are always appreciated

>>14955447

How integral (what percentage?) Is methane to SpaceX' successes?

>>14955447
>hat in the ring
Big Eddie Rickenbacker fan, eh?

>>14955454
100%. If it weren't for super filtered cow farts, all of SpaceX's ambitious plans would be stillborn.

>>14955454
100%. Off earth synthesis of RP-1 is a fucking joke so they'd be stuck with hydrologgs otherwise.

>>14955452
How are jets able to maintain engine being powered up constantly in air? While rocket engines can only be lit for few minutes/seconds?

Jets are using oxygen from the atmosphere right?

>>14955452
When was this?

>>14955468
planes and jets are extremely light compared to rockets, and jet engines are more efficient due to less power

>>14955468
Jets use external oxygen, wings for lift, and need a much lower TWR. Modern jet engines are also turbofans that pull in air along the outside of the actual engine that gets contact heated a bit but doesn't burn.

>>14955468
Atmospheric air also contains lots of shit other than oxygen (ie. nitrogen) which effectively decreases the temperatures in the engines.

>>14955474
>>14955473
Yeah thats what I figured, nothing magical about the engine themselves, but rather external factors allow for engine to use very little fuel

So if hypothetically, Raptor 2 engine were used to build an aircraft, it would be able to run hours at a time due to atmospheric oxygen extraction right (and possibly atmospheric methane extraction with a nuclear power)?

>>14955480
Methane turbofans would have an Isp of like 10,000s yeah.

>>14955471
March 1st.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QACQ0Z2NbU

>>14955468
>How are jets able to maintain engine being powered up constantly in air?
Don't understand the question.
If you're asking how they survive so many cycles - they have a lifespan. They need to be rebuilt after a while.
The MiG-25, for example, puts so much stress on the engine and airframe that doesn't last for all that many flight hours.

If you're asking about endurance then the answer is it doesn't really need to produce all that much thrust to propel forward. Rockets need to escape the gravity of Earf.

>Jets are using oxygen from the atmosphere right?
Air-breathing jet engines suck in air, compress it, inject fuel, and then ignite it.

Most modern jet engines are high bypass so most just goes in and shoots out the ass without any injection or real compression.

>>14955369
Holy fuck, Alex, you can't just ask a company why it hasn't achieved orbit.

Soon™
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpPYQMnk39g

>>14955303
That recent meteorite impact turned up tons of subsurface ice near that Martian stadium.

>captcha: X0 H20

>>14955425
Don't let your dreams turn into regrets, anon: https://www.spacex.com/careers/index.html?department=Food%2520Services

>>14955358
a lot of things were "supposed" to happen
where's my 1980s mars base?

>>14955525
Blame the USSR's collapse, anon. Without someone to beat to the goal, humans will not pursue a goal.

>>14955468
The oxygen that jets use is effectively diluted to 1/5 compared to the pure oxygen(oxidizer) used in rockets. The atmospheric nitrogen is mostly inert, and absorbs a bunch of energy that would otherwise melt the turbines.

>>14955482
>10,000s
Why only limited to 10,000s is that just the limitation of the air from atmosphere? If air/methane were infinite, the engine would run for infinite hours right?

>>14955544
this is why I unwaveringly support China's space efforts

What did NASA mean by this?

>>14955366
>tastes like meat
That's not what it says.
>mild flavor and meat-like texture

>>14955562
Methane is still carried on board.

what a good day to be on sfg

>>14955555
Who got it?

>>14955571
What if methane is refueled in air by a b52 tanker fleets

>>14955457
Yes. He's my favorite American fighter pilot. Unfortunately for Yeager, the playing field is now level.

>>14955468
Anon there's a reason it's called the Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

>>14955457
>>14955588
Forgot pic related.

Can SpaceX send Tesla bots who drive and get out of rovers to mars to dust off the dusty solar panels on the mars Rover and return various samples some of which taken from depths with tools on the rovers?

>>14955616
>Can SpaceX send Tesla bots [...] to Mars
Yes, and they will

>>14955616
Yes, eventually.

>>14955616
It doesn't even need to be such that robot has to be smart, someone inside the Mars habitat could control the robot with a VR headset and do the robot's work virtually. If timelag wasn't an issue, someone from Earth could also do this, but 8+ mins latency is not viable

wouldnt it kinda suck to live on ceres

>>14955224
webm with sound: >>>/wsg/4810563

>>14955628
Yeah that's why you're supposed to live IN Ceres

>>14955639
hmmm. pls elaborate

Business idea: make starship into hydrolox then it becomes ssto

>>14955644
No

I have an idea. LAUNCH THE FUCKIN ROCKET NOW

Will rockets ever be reliable enough for a president to get in one?

>>14955658
No head of state from Earth should be allowed off-planet anyway

>>14955658
rockets are safer than helicopters

>>14955656
it's that easy in rocketry

>>14955658
President of Mars will get on one in ~10-15 years

Fun fact: the metallic strip on today's Falcon Heavy launch is meant to heat up the RP-1 to keep it from freezing during the transit to it's geostationary apogee

now that we confirmed plenty of water at mars equator, can we land in mariner valley? i dont want to live in a boring flat wasteland

>>14955686
Why is it called Mariner Valley if there’s no sea to traverse
Stupid fucking scientists

Will SpaceX be the first company to send porn stars to space for first space porn ?

>>14955691
i want yusaku maezawa to take clear to space, i think she would appreciate it so much and could educate her viewers

>>14955691
I honestly think BO would do it first

>>14955697
>5 minutes weightlessness
You would be better on one of these bad boys. Or the Virgin Galactic one when it starts flying.

This is why Blue Origin will never be a real space tourism company.

Currently £53 on Amazon. Worth the price /sfg/?

Would there be any reason to do a spacewalk on the Martian orbit aside that it would look very cool?

>>14955734
Great videos and photos
I’m like 80% sure they’ll do a spacewalk

>>14955741
I wonder what the astronauts will feel when they see Mars from above and close, and how different it will be from seeing Earth from above.

>>14955734
maintenance on the tungsten rod cannons

what's the best landing footage for the f9heavy earlier?

>>14955750
Kek

>>14955562
retard

>>14955579
"seconds" is a measure of fuel efficiency, not a measure of time in this case
it was useful to give common ground between European and American rocket scientists in the 20s and 30s
also you're a retard
>>14955651
retard

>>14955668
fun fact
you'll never go to space

reminder that spacex can't use the superior catching mechanism because dahir patented it already
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdy5iugAqDA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6Ttx8u1dKk

>>14955812
No idea why catching mechanism has to move so much, we know from F9 landings that landings can be extremely accurate.

>>14955733
Try seeing if you can find it on b-ok.cc first

>>14955816
Because Dahir is a retard. Also, the actual mechanism isn't going to move much at all.

Were any anons just at the Cape? Got a pic with some sick Mach diamonds in the exhaust if you zoom in on the rocket (and if 4chan isn't overzealous with compression)

lol

>>14955910
Where is New Zealand?

>>14955910
>osint
lol

>>14955369
based

>>14955910
If you exclude Starlink, China is first.

>>14955928
In the Pacific, unless it’s moving faster than usual

>>14955928
American colony.

>>14955950
What are they launching on all those rockets?

>>14955963
starchink haha
that was just a joke
space is fake and satellites don't exist

>>14955910
USA USA USA USA

>>14955950
Shows how cheap Falcon rockets are to launch, at least compared to other rockets

>>14955830
No sign. Wary of purchasing it because the book has some drama between two contributors. The renderer was annoyed with the writer who kept adding material irrelevant to the N1 and even to the Soviet Space Program. Hence why its split into 2 parts and the renderer left the project.

>>14956030
The writer is probably a dirty shyster anyways, since on the title it clearly extrapolates well beyond what any person had envisioned the N1 was for.

interesting

>>14955910
Cool, now show the US number not counting SpaceX launches.

>>14955597
based

>>14955597
kek I miss him

>>14955369
>video not available anymore
LMAO

Self sustainability is a power generation problem just as much as it is a resource problem. Solar is too weak to be relied on for fuel and oxygen production with any reasonable power to spare, and nuclear requires too much mining and shipping from earth

>>14956154
you will eat the bugs

>>14956154
There's got to be some uranium ore someplace other than Earth that doesn't involve disassembling a whole planet.

>>14955896
not sure if those are mach diamonds

>>14956207
We've detected some fissiles on the Moon and Mars, but Earth is S-tier when it comes to energy resources. We've got hydrocarbons and an atmosphere to burn them, retarded amounts of nuclear fuel, geological activity, decent solar irradiance and wind. Luckily, nuclear fuel is energy dense enough that it's not retarded to ship it out to where we need if can't exploit it locally. Many Gen IV reactors get ~gigawatt-year/ton of nuclear fuel, so a topped off Starship could keep a colony's reactor fed for a century.

>>14955733
Just read the volume of Rockets and People that covers it. First hand sources only that goes into extreme details about most relevant aspects. I can't imagine this would be better, though it might be more pedagogical since Rockets and People is quite a convoluted read.

>>14956055
Well the N1 was always intended as a Mars flyby rocket before the L3 programme was initiated. Had they stuck with its 75t LEO capacity and built the N-11 (2) and not messed about with the Chelomei or Yangel, we could have had a good family of rockets that would have succeeded Soyuz.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/11/spacex-is-now-building-a-raptor-engine-a-day-nasa-says/
>After this initial test flight, Kirasich said NASA is tracking three additional flight tests of Starship for fueling demonstrations. The second test, Kirasich said, will entail a tank-to-tank transfer of propellant, followed by a Starship-to-Starship transfer of propellant, to a complete fueling of Starship from a depot and a long-duration flight to mimic the in-space time of a lunar mission.
>SpaceX plans to keep its low-Earth orbit propellant depots topped off with fuel for missions other than Artemis, Kirasich added. "So it's not like every time we go to the Moon we're going to start with an empty depot," he said.
Wonder where they think they're going

>>14956362
To the Moon.

imagine the air time

>>14956362
>from a dep*t

>>14956362
Everywhere

>>14956362
MARS

>>14956394
He's gone when Congress goes home for Christmas next month, anon. It's over.

>>14956413
When he dies they'll name an orbital fuel depot after him, bejeweled with alabama river rocks.

>>14955896
Those are pixels The mach diamonds were barely visible even with a good camera and telescope.

>>14955686
Blue Mars is an interesting concept, because you're going to have protected biomes that result from all the craters that mock the surface of the planet. It makes undersea glass dome cities that much easier.

Can you sugarcoat this for me? Thanks.

>>14956439
>Can you sugarcoat this for me? Thanks.
Ten years ago, everyone would agree that they could never do it; it was impossible. Today, everyone agrees that they're running late.

>>14956439
He lied and NASA is still falling for his lies. Biden must shut down NASA

>>14956439
Ten years after what year?

>>14956362
What is BE4 production rate?

How feasible would a SABRE-cycle engine that burns methane instead of hydrogen be?

I'm brainstorming what would essentially be a modernized version of the Star-Raker SSTO for the USSF.

>>14956514
>How feasible would a SABRE-cycle engine that burns methane instead of hydrogen be?
Very. Methane/natgas burning turbines and rockets are both mature technology. The hard part (assuming you're not using LH2) is the heat exchanger and the SABRE folks already built that.

>>14956514
your that same fag to shills is his retarded superheavy spaceplane idea every now and then
I know its you cause you use the word brainstorming every time you post it
I will NOT take my meds

>>14956514
answer my question first

is there anyone who actually works with rockets here?

>>14956494
Supposedly there are "dozens" of engines in some stage of production, but whether this was actual construction or just some valves dumped in a box labeled "Engine #12" wasn't clarified.

>>14956280
Oh I read Volume 4, Chertok is very engaging. However I think the advantage of this book is it likely covers alternative proposals in good graphical detail (I hope). Also a lot of research comes from a guy who was able to climb amongst the ruins of crashed N1s in the end days of the USSR so get measurements on which Nick Stevens based his renders on.

>Nov. 14 Space Launch System • Artemis 1
>Launch window: 0507-0616 GMT (12:07-1:16 a.m. EST)

Are they really gonna launch their biggest mission in decades in the middle of the night?

>>14956556
No (because it will scrub).

>>14956556
It's either that or disassemble everything so they can manually examine the booster segments for recertification.

>>14956556
Yes, night launches are better.

>>14956492
2012
Also said that in 3 years a man in space. It took 8. So about 2.6x flex factor. That means man in mars 2042.

>>14956454
I love you,
I am in love with you
I want to smell you alive girl

>>14956556
at night it will be too dark to see it blow up

>>14956556
It’s going to the Moon, not the Sun

>>14956593
What are those?

>>14956599
Maybe leftovers from production to lift that section of the ship for welding? idk

>>14955928
serious answer: Rocket Lab is incorporated in the US to get around ITAR, despite launching from NZ. In my own stats, I break them out: they've had 8 launches so far this year (and another with recovery attempt in just two days), first time they've beat the ESA.

seems surprising Egypt doesn't have an orbital rocket

>>14956624
What do you think the Pyramids are for

>>14956626
storing grain?

Oops
>https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceLaunchSystem/comments/yjsle1/november_2022_artemis_i_monthly_launch_date_poll/

>>14956634
i am not creating a reddit account just to brigade a gay poll

>>14956624
Not really. They don't have an obvious launch corridor to fly from and they never had much in the way on ambitions beyond intermediate range ballistic missiles. They were part of a loose missile development consortium back in the 1980s along with Argentina and Iraq but that got pressured into dormancy or shut down by the arms control agenda pushed by the State Department immediately after the end of the cold war. There were a lot of states that had the potential to develop a small Scud-derived launch vehicle but none of them were able to push through and actually make it happen.

Goldstone talking with Voyager 1 right now. I thought the probe was dead. I get chills thinking how these probes are literally eternal. When the human race is dead, these things will still keep going until the end of the universe.Goldstone talking with Voyager 1 right now. I thought the probe was dead. I get chills thinking how these probes are literally eternal. When the human race is dead, these things will still keep going until the end of the universe.

>>14956564
basedzos

>>14956624
Surprising? It's a third world shithole, which is almost always a disqualifier

>>14956556
if this explodes on launch will starship be delayed again

>>14956624
They are spending all their money right now on 45billion city in the desert so they dont have to live in cairo with the plebs anymore.

Dude

>>14956624
How is that surprising lmao? Their economy and population are both shit

>>14956639
Newfag

>>14956556
>Launch window: 0507-0616 GMT
Fucking hell

>>14956556
Fireworks are going to be so good. Night launches that end in disaster are the best.

>>14955437
thought it was a propane tank from the thumb

>>14955369
Alex has no chill, what a based lad.

>>14955369
>"Why have you not achieved orbit after 20-plus years since your founding?"

>>14955353
Excellent

So it begins, they're gonna regulate the shit out of space through fucking NEPA

https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1587894489355808769

>>14956825
https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-23-105005

They're prioritizing astronoomers over all the capabilities of mega-constellations, even if they succeed in stopping SpaceX, BO, DoD mega-constellations they can't do shit to Chinese or Russian ones so we will just be behind in capability thanks to environmentalist regulatory obstacles

>>14956825
Can this delay starlink deployment? or is it just a problem for additional constellations

>>14956833
Watch them force an environmental impact statement on Starlink, retroactively or for further launches, this is 100% to cockblock Starlink

>>14956825

"$8" is now a meme good job musk

Some good news from Space Force

>The nine tenets, Calvelli said, are intended to help develop a new space acquisition philosophy:
>Build smaller satellites, smaller ground systems and minimize non-recurring engineering. Use existing technology and designs. Acquire ground and software intensive systems in smaller more manageable pieces that can be delivered faster.
>Get the acquisition strategy correct, including contract type and contract incentives for both speed and performance. Have clear, specific, unambiguous statements of work, minimize and avoid government furnished equipment and avoid putting the government in the middle of multiple contracts as the integrator. Do not be afraid to use fixed price contracts.
>Enable teamwork between contracting officers and program managers, and they preferably should be collocated.
>Award contracts with realistic cost and schedule targets to avoid low bids and buy-ins. Ensure companies have the correct skills to successfully execute the contract. Understand what companies are capable of doing or not doing.
>Maintain stability in programs. Push back on year-to-year budget changes that drive rebaselining and slow down acquisitions. Avoid accepting new requirements after going on contract.

1/2

https://spacenews.com/new-guidance-from-space-force-acquisition-boss-the-traditional-ways-must-be-reformed/

>>14956844
>Avoid over-classifying. Putting programs in the “special access program” category hinders the integration of space capabilities across other domains and can hinder getting ideas from a broader pool of industry. Avoid classifying systems as “no foreign” to enable future sharing with allies.
>Deliver ground before launch. Ensure ground systems are completed and ready for operations before launch of a new capability.
>Hold industry accountable for results. Do not tolerate bad performance that we have seen in some traditional large satellite and ground systems cost-plus contracts. Take corrective action and consider all tools available for poor performers including loss of fee, use of the Contractor Responsibility Watch List, and if necessary, stopping programs. Industry works for you, so be a demanding customer.
>Execute and deliver capabilities that work, on schedule and on cost. Identify issues early in order to quickly resolve them. “This is our most important tenet. Success is measured by executing on plan.”

2/2

>>14956844
>Award contracts with realistic cost and schedule targets to avoid low bids and buy-ins. Ensure companies have the correct skills to successfully execute the contract. Understand what companies are capable of doing or not doing.

Bechtel called out indirectly lmao

>>14956848
>and if necessary, stopping programs. Industry works for you, so be a demanding customer.

Nice

>>14956541
there were a few. I think they all gave up.

>>14956556
>I'm going to be in florida then

>>14956566
>at night it will be too dark to see it blow up

>night launch bad
What a bunch of faggots

LOX tank full
Methane tank is slowly being filled

>>14956741
one more hydromeme fill up for those already cracked tanks

>>14956556
Yes, actually

SLS doesn't even go to orbit, it's a direct insertion to TLI because Orion is so weak without the EUS

>>14956898
why?

>>14956909
Please pay $8 for starship info

>>14956842
>is a meme now
My dude, how new are you
8 is well-known as a "cost triangulation" number: you want 10, but that's a psychologically important threshold, so you suggest 9, but that's now too close to 10 in the popular consciousness, so you suggest 8 which is seen as not too high demand-side or too low supply-side

>>14956912
Nice try NSF

>>14955896
the only thing that 4chan does to images is strip out metadata so idiot phoneposters don't reveal their location

>>14956154
you are retarded and do not understand the power demands of fuel production

>>14956921
I’m not the same person I was when I posted that

>>14956848
>Hold industry accountable for results. Do not tolerate bad performance that we have seen in some traditional large satellite and ground systems cost-plus contracts. Take corrective action and consider all tools available for poor performers including loss of fee, use of the Contractor Responsibility Watch List, and if necessary, stopping programs
this is NOT ok

>>14956844
>>14956848
When will NASA grow some balls? Idiots keep giving Boeing awards despite years of delays and billions over budget.

>>14956929
What are they doing???????

>>14956940
Filling tanks

>>14956940
>>14956929
Whatever they feel like

>>14956936
>t. Boing

>>14956948
Starship is angry

>>14956936
Holding government contractors accountable would be a veritable shoah to be sure.

>>14956938
When we amend the Constitution to limit Congress's ability to fund an agency to a single line item per agency per year and enable the President to fire bureaucrats who waste money.

static fire?

>>14957008
no

>>14957008
variable ice.

Article from 12.7.1979, when Skylab reentered and before the docking ring piece was discovered in Australia near Kargoorlie.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KEf0G0dAAte1Nh5L3-a7kZpSJZfnywxX?usp=share_link

>Skylab's short existence was planned from the start. The US congress did not grant enough funds for a project, with which the station could've been kept in orbit with a booster stage.
>Skylab began breaking apart after 18:00 Finnish time. By then it had already passed Ascension Island in the Atlantic. Disintegration continued as Skylab passed over the South African coast. First pieces fell in the ocean west of Australia.

>>14955256
Nuclear thermal is a meme

>>14956844
But all these problems will be solved by new buzzwords and new bureaucracy !

>>14957052
>Exponentially increasing the Ev and thrust of a NTR to torchdrive lite™ and making it even more viable as a ground to orbit capable propulsion system all while using politically acceptable LEU is a meme
Might wanna reassess buddy.

>>14957063
NPP > NTR

What kind of structures could this thing realistically make in orbit?

>>14957076
Ant hill

>>14957066
You better be talking ICF and not ride the boom boom type of NPP.

>>14955256
>>14957076
the same shit gets posted in every thread

>>14957080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8qrwON1-zE

>>14957080
The boomest of booms
Designed by boomers in the 50s

>>14957047
Gone too soon

This has to happen

>>14957099
Will you settle for this?

>>14957076
rocket tanks

>they got spooked
no static fire...

>>14957090
lol was just listening to this album while squatting today.

>>14957103
>>14957099

Sierra Space finally confirms their vortex engines (intended for use on Dream Chaser) will run on nontoxic hypergols.

https://www.sierraspace.com/space-applications/rocket-engines-propulsion/

>>14956428
Ah, good to know

fuck ear... -ACK!

>>14957127

>>14957141
Based, bring the martians to heel

How about...

>>14957151
TWO SPACEPLANES???

https://youtu.be/UMnHtBH0xUg?t=152
Why were explanations about space flight from when we were first doing it so much better written back then than now?

>>14957141
Source?

>>14957159
analytics have been a disaster for the human race

>>14957159
Look up the racial composition of the country then vs. now. Government writes to its audience.

>>14957160
FROS7 on twitter.

>>14957147

>>14957137
that'll be 800 trillion dollars plus tip

Fonts were just so much more beautiful in the 60s-80s (granted this was taken in 99 but still, it's the original flight deck)
Also film is better than early 2000s digital

>>14957159
There was CBS, NBC and ABC that's it. Retention of ADHD viewers was much less of a problem.

>>14955686
Ha, I'm on here but I forget where, been too long

shoeonhead browses sfg

>>14957204
that would be a strange turn of events, to be sure

>>14957204
A lot of weird people come here

>>14956563
A very realistic date to be fair.
>>14956655
The voyagers don't have much time left, but this is still awesome.

>>14956844
>>Build smaller satellites, smaller ground systems and minimize non-recurring engineering.

USSF was probably contracted by DoD to figure out alternatives to Starlink and they came back and said "there aren't any. Everybody else is too fucking slow and their timelines and hardware designs fucking blow. The earliest you can see an alternative is late next year."

And DoD/Biden admin probably are now like "well FUCK. So we have to pay SpaceX for Starlink."

And USSF probably went "yeah, if you want to keep the connection and war footing alive in Ukraine, fork the bill." Simultaneously, that statement made by Calvelli is literally the SpaceX approach to everything. Minimize and low cost fucking everything and leverage the economies of scale to your advantage to upmass maximally as a way of making it strategically impossible for your enemies to fuck with you--because the cost of downing the entire network can only be done in one of two ways:

1. Using dozens upon dozens of anti-sat weapons, which will create so much orbital debris, that it will fuck over hundreds of nations and will turn the entire world against you

or

2. Use a nuclear device in upper atmosphere or near the Karman line to create an EMP bubble that disrupts all sats in the 350-550km orbit.

But if you use a nuke at that height, its an ICBM launch AND you've now violated the nuclear weapons treaty and also effectively knocked out hundreds of other satellites unrelated to Starlink, including and up to, your own and your allies, and potentially harmed your own space station (looking at you China).

That's why when Musk was asked what can nations do about Starlink in terms of warfare, and his reply was "they can shake their fists at the sky." Starlink is strategically cost prohibitive to down and the bigger the network gets, the more the orbital debris risk makes downing it improbable--because it has the potential to harm all your and your allied orbital interests.

>>14957223
Once both voyagers go offline (a very sad day) will new horizons become the king of furthest man made object actively communicating?

>>14957237
I think there is also some chinese probe going out of the solar system but I don't remember which

https://twitter.com/NanoAvionics/status/1541710805837676544?cxt=HHwWgICwhejzoOUqAAAA

it's over
also, F9 in like 5 bongs

>>14957249
why does the moon get smaller the higher up you go?

>>14957249
if only SpaceX could deliver such good footage from Starlinks and launches

Besides NASA’s image library and wikimedia, who has the best archive of NASA photography from orbit? I tried using the national archive but got overwhelmed.
Also I wonder how much kino video footage has been taking during the course of the shuttle program and just hasn’t been re-scanned with modern technology. I found some cool videos from shuttle-mir but it’s all like 140p and I know the original tapes are out there somewhere, itching to be rescanned

>>14957235
>>14956844

Most people don't realize it, but by the sheer existence of Starlink and it being an American platform, its given the United States an immense headstart on orbital supremacy in ways that scares the living fuck out of hostile nations on the other side of the globe. Nobody besides America has the capability to land orbital class boosters. SpaceX landed their 151th Falcon 9/Heavy booster with USSF-44 launch. The rest of the world is so fucking behind the curve on that, and along comes Elon and is like "yeah, we're building an ultra-heavy class fully reusable booster that will 10x upmass and -10x the cost of the current platform."

Starship's success is highly contingent on a dozen factors or more, but it doesn't change the fact that nations are STRUGGLING to compete with Falcon 9 and Starship outclasses that by a magnitude order in a reusable configuration. If SpaceX just yeeted Cargostarships to LEO and then burned them up in atmosphere, they'd be able to push ~125-150T to LEO easily. The entire fucking ISS mass is ~200T. Two cargoship launches and you can rebuild a modern ISS.

The FAA is currently limiting SpaceX to 5 launches a year out of Boca Chica, there's no limit for Pad 39-A. Which means, in theory, SpaceX could launch a Cargoship every month to LEO and put 1500T to orbit. Giving you the option to basically build a station 6x larger than the ISS. But based on all activity happening at Roberts Road, it looks like SpaceX is building 3 Starship launchers at a minimum. So from a strategic perspective, SpaceX could theoretically launch 36x a year. That's 4500T to LEO. Which means with Cargoship alone, they can build a station 22.5x larger than the ISS for basically the cost of a single SLS launch.

Then factor in what this cargo capacity means for all the US/EU constellation players on the market. What that means then for DoD/USSF interests. Where they can launch 10x starlink class sats in LEO that blanket the globe in cameras. War changes.

Raptors go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>14957253
I swear to god streamers have the worst fucking takes out there. Anyone who unironically uses the terms cringe and toxic should be fucking slapped.

>>14957270
lower your expectations for that vaporware enterprise. space-]x cant even launch from vandenburg, air force doesnt trust them.you think nasa will trust them? i wouldnt trust them to launch a pumpkin!
-john f.

What's up with SN26 and SN27?

>>14957286
NASA already has a pumpkin launcher. The most powerful ever built

>>14957204

>>14956514
One issue could be liquid methane's higher temp and lower heat capacity vs LH2, which reduces your ability to precool the air, thus limiting the top speed that can be achieved in air-breathing mode.

You can still get up to high mach on an airbreathing precooled turbine with methane as your cold sink, but I doubt you could go as fast as you would with hydrogen.

Switching from air breathing to a rocket at a lower speed translates to a greater need for stored oxidizer, meaning less payload. However these losses may be made back in lower structural mass and greater operational simplicity of CH4 vs H2.

>>14957274
Even in its current state, Russian antisatellite EWAR is reduced to a JIRA ticket that some software developers and EEs have to handle at one US company based on how Elon describes SpaceX handling their attempts to jam it.
>oh hey we got an alert for degraded service near Kherson
>we should add that to our current sprint
It's fucking over for everyone else once Starlink gets added to US cruise missiles and drones. Totally unjammable HD video streaming live from the battlefield back to the Pentagon and White House, from EVERYTHING in the sky bigger than a JDAM.

>>14956207
We will planetcrack and it will be cool

>>14957295
>That poor NASA intern who'll have to update this graphic to snowmen for that Christmas launch window

>>14957317
Even if it's still Mach 5 vs. Mach 6 that's past 1km/s and Max Q so SSTO is still viable.

>>14957328
Slow down anon, first comes frozen turkeys THEN comes snowmen

>>14957302
It was revealed to me in a dream.

>>14957330
I'm not sure if it'd necessarily even be Mach 5. I don't remember the specifics, but I know Reaction Engines has studied other fuel combinations, and came to the conclusion that hydrogen is worth the many tradeoffs that come with it.

straight bussin no cap

>>14957351
Sadly, those windows are not realistic.

>>14957204
what makes you think that?

>>14957362
i sent her a DM

>>14957353
https://youtu.be/e8KKRl-kMkw

>>14957369
Kek

>>14957342
Whoa, there's an election coming up. We don't need to remind anyone of now-unaffordable luxuries like frozen turkeys.

>>14957378
It's Turkiye.

>>14957380
Sorry, I only care about the spelling of nations with space programs.

>>14957382
That's good because they have a space program.

>>14957385
Don't be ridiculous, anon. That's like saying Italy has one.

>>14957389
That's right.

>>14957392
when's the last time vega didnt fail?

>>14956362
>Two of NASA's biggest technological development concerns were the new Raptor rocket engine and the transfer and storage of liquid oxygen and methane propellant in orbit, said Mark Kirasich, NASA's deputy associate administrator who oversees the development of Artemis missions to the Moon. During a subcommittee meeting of NASA's Advisory Council on Monday, however, Kirasich said SpaceX has made substantial progress in both areas.

>>14957389
They had a cute oil rig.

>>14957411
You're telling me there's *another* stolen SpaceX idea?

>>14957237
>>14957246
What weird physical conditions and circumstances did voyager express experiencing after it exited the solar system, is there anything remarkably different about the interstellar medium space it has known so far?

>>14957323
Yeah, that's why Russia is pissed and China is growing more concerned by the day and want to either figure out how to down the network safely without taking out their own in orbit hardware and putting up their own competing constellation too. USAF already tested integrating a Starlink antenna into a F-35, and they were testing for 28 things and in the first round of testing, they passed like 26 of 28 tests. Blowing all expectations out of the water. The Ukraine conflict is battle hardening the network in ways the USMIL couldn't imagine compared to any other terrestrial or satellite network. Finally, there's the fact that if you can integrate this into an F-35, then you could similarly do so with other UAVs for a variety of use, not limited to just war. Have a UAV circle a natural disaster area and then basically cycle between multiple UAVs in a 24 hour rotation, presenting a 24/7 4K footage of an area so that rescuers and volunteers have realtime data on everything that's happening within the zone. Like if its a flood situation and the water direction changes, there's advance warning. If it's near a fire zone and the direction changes, they also have notice. There's so much civilian side value that can be extracted through Starlink integration. It's wild. Truly wild.

>>14957413
It's just that easy in oil-riggetry.

>>14957289
Ships for the orbital refueling demo.

>>14957414
I think all it measured were differences in radiation or something

>>14956866
hot fuck i could be too!

did you guys see the rumor that spacex will stop streaming their starlink launches because of cost

>>14957434
theyre boring anyway

>>14957441
make Kate Tice host them in a bikini or topless and they'd be a lot less boring

Best places to watch Artemis launch?
Places to visit at the Cape?

>>14957389
Italy unironically does though

I feel like I've never been more alone in my life

>>14957480
None, because the current launch window is unsafe according to OSHA:

>1910.109(e)(1)(v)
>Blasting operations shall be conducted during daylight hours.
-https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/regulations/standardnumber/1910/1910.109

>>14957458
and Gwynne Shotwell as permanent co-host. No exception.

>>14957413
>stolen SpaceX idea
You just know retards will unironically start saying that when SpaceX regularly launches from the oil rigs. First it's "impossible", then "it's been done before" lol

>>14957223
>>14956563
I don't see what would delay SpaceX sending men to Mars beyond 2033.

https://youtu.be/5KysITV4t5E

We’re goin’.

>>14957536
>I don't see what would delay SpaceX sending men to Mars beyond 2033.
You don't have a very active imagination, do you?

>>14957536
Creating the rocket is just one part of the goal. You need to develop the life support technology and also get the funding for the program.

>>14957130
vortex is a hybrid, it doesn't use hypergolics

>>14957556
I actually have an active imagination, I just don't share the same pessimistic outlook that anons on here do.
>>14957563
Life support technology is fucking ridiculously easy compared to what they have done with raptor engines and starship. The funding will come from starlink obviously.
Whats up with anons forgetting/ignoring conversations that have been had on sfg hundreds if not thousands of times already?

>>14957563
Embarrassing pseudo intellectual tryhard

>>14957568
It's not pessimistic to expect >10 years to elapse between the first Starship launch and the first manned Mars landing. Commercial crew took 9 years and it's a little less ambitious of a program

>>14957289
>>14957425
Noooo reddit said they were for emergency Starlink 2 deployment because SpaceX is bankrupt

>>14957580
SpaceX had a lot less resources during the commercial crew development age and and was a NASA program, so the requirements were much more stringent. They couldn't do rapid iteration with commercial crew development.

Hot take: People vastly overestimate how hard sending men to Mars will be once SpaceX has nailed down crew starship and has a solid income from starlink.
>>14957580
10 years ago SpaceX had only launched Falcon 9 what, twice? 10 years is a very long time for SpaceX.

>>14957583
Throwing more money at a project doesn't really speed up development. It's been what, 3.5 years since Starhopper and there still hasn't been an OFT?

>>14957491
Anon we're right here, and together we dream wonders.

>>14957595
The biggest issue with getting to Mars is the transportation side by far. Life support will be extremely easy compared to the development of raptor engines and starship itself, and SpaceX is already getting a head start in developing life support systems with HLS. Its generally been the consensus of /sfg/ for a while now that SpaceX wouldn't have serious issues with life support, so its strange that has now changed.

>>14957602
You're the one mentioning life support here. There are still years of reentry tile hell to get through

>>14957280
What'd you expect of terminally online toddlers that can't do basic arithmetic operations?

>>14957614
I don't think it will take SpaceX 10 years to get reentry down with Starship. You're the only one who thinks for some reason SpaceX will not be able to get reentry down after years. Worst case scenario they switch to a heavier form of TPS that shaves 20 tonnes off their capacity to orbit, but even so they're probably still a little above 100 tonnes to LEO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McV40hM7aI8
3 hours until stream

>>14957621
4

What a sad fate for sfg. Gone from being relatively optimistic about SpaceX and starship to thinking that starship won't be able to get reentry down after 10 years. Seems like the doomers have truly won. sfg is dead.

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1587968822731976705
>New T-0 of 1:22 a.m. ET for Falcon 9's launch of Eutelsat HOTBIRD 13G in order to complete pre-flight checkouts

>>14957600
i have everything going for me. money, a house, career. but i have no one

>>14957634
We will always be here anon.

>>14957634
I have none of that, but I have (you) anons and that's okay.

>>14957634
Cringe. None of that materialist BS matters

>>14957644
>>14957647
i do keep coming back here, it is a source of optimism
>>14957654
they were just goals i had. and now im there and looking around and wondering what i did it all for

>>14957634
>i have no one
and if you had that someone, would you feel as though there were still something missing?

>>14957614
>There are still years of reentry tile hell to get through
Hey, a thinking man on /sfg/, what are the odds?

>>14957679
The heck is this pic

>>14957680
Sally Ride. Only three more Antares launches left. Going out with a whimper, $85 mil for 8T is retarded

>>14957686
Given that it's sporting a solar dynamic power system it's got to be a station proposal from the 1980s.

>>14957697
They're upgrading it with Firefly's engines

>>14957699
Wut since when

>>14957700
WAIT northrop also contracted SpaceX for 3 launches how the FUCK did I miss this

>>14957634
Join my cult

>>14957680
https://twitter.com/earthskyscience/status/1586041863881969664
Anyone else going to be getting up early on Sunday to try and catch it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQro0rkg2DE

>>14957698
It's a telescope, not a beamed power station. These were supposed to be a cheap multimission platform.

http://www.astronautix.com/s/scienceandaspaceplatform.html

>>14956439
They barely talk about SpaceX, and only at the end, 14 minutes in. he literally said
>"best case ten years, worst case... fifteen to twenty years."
This aired in late April, 2011 btw. Still on track, then. Normies only read headlines and love getting outraged at them all the time. No, Musk is not a conman because you can't read past the first part of some throwaway answer he gave to an impromptu question in a random, niche interview a decade ago. Social media was a mistake. Nuke this planet.

>>14957634
>i have everything going for me. money, a house, career. but i have no one
Chinese mail order brides screened for love of spaceflight and cooking?

>>14957568
>Life support technology is fucking ridiculously easy compared to what they have done
How many people are seriously working on it now, and if not; when, and from that point how long until it it all installed and ready for justfiably believed 100% launch and succesful life support functions

>>14957568
>Life support technology is fucking ridiculously easy
A stay on LEO where you can get supplies any time or a quick trip to the Moon surface isn't the same as staying months to get to and from Mars, and in situ resource usage is the only reasonable way to do it, which has not been yet developed.

>>14956439
He said 10 years at best and 12-15 at worst

Life support tech is not easy and spacex, known in-house rocket company, outsourced it

>>14957698
Space observatory I believe.

>>14956514
I am greatly annoyed by the fact this engine is curved.

>>14957679
i cant wait for starship to reenter successfully on the 4th or 5th try and for the doomers to run off crying to reddit sls general

>>14957732
I said compared to raptor engines and starship itself dumbass. Learn to read. But you can take a shit ton of supplies on cargo starships
>>14957730
I don't know, but we do know they're seriously working on HLS life support at the very least.

Mengtian docked a few hours ago
I think that means all of the main pieces of Tiangong are assembled?

>>14957766
Sweet. I think that was the last ‘big one’ yeah

>>14957634
give me money

>>14957634
give me your house

>>14957772
I was correct, it’s the last major milestone. They will complete the first ever chinese crew handover this year
But holy shit get this, this is awesome. They plan on launching the Xuntian telescope as part of the Tiangong program. 6.6 foot diameter primary mirror with a FOV ~350 times larger than Hubble. While not a part of the station per se, it will co orbit with the station and occasionally dock with it.

>>14957634
I'm stuck as a college student for more 3 years at minimum, I have no money and I'm a 21 years old with the freedom of a teenager right now, and I'm also in a third world country. You have no idea how much I'd like to be in your place.