/sci/ - Science & Math

Yeah.

>>14954958
Yeah my ass, I demand immediate action from the scientific community to expel those fuckers from our turf

>>14954954
>Savage man
>throw stick, kill animal, eat, live
>Matematicians die before they ever throw the stick becacuse they spend so much time designing it to travel 'perfectly'

>>14954971
Yes, savage man has savage needs. I bet that astronomer motherfucker would turn into savage man real quick without his electricity and food being provided by actual useful savage men.

>>14954962
Yeah.

>>14954954
>How do these motherfuckers keep getting funds at all?

>>14954989
>I bet that astronomer motherfucker would turn into savage man real quick without his electricity and food being provided by actual useful savage men.

Based

>>14954954
If it's so useless, then why did nearly every culture across the globe dedicate umpteen structures, myths and man-hours to the subject? Going back from pre-history all the way up to present day?

>>14955053
Ancient astrology actually produced results. Modern astronomy doesn't believe their own eyes when they look out and don't see imaginary matter and energy.

>>14955053
>If it's so useless, then why did nearly every culture across the globe
You astronomers can't even figure out the actual shape of this Earth

>dedicate umpteen structures, myths and man-hours to the subject?
Agriculture for the most part, as well as planning for war (climatic conditions) and for travelling (navigation). Keeping time was also a big part of it (for festivities, calendars, etc.)

The myths you see (like medusa) are actually a corrupted or interpreted version of cataclysms
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Peratt

>>14955058
Mate if scientists believed their own eyes they would know that Earth is flat

>>14954954
>How do these motherfuckers keep getting funds at all?
How much?

>>14955058
>Ancient astrology actually produced results
Imagine this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnyuQjegeFk
without astronomy.

>>14954954
Actually you can render 3D views of the Milky Way galaxy using data from the Gaia stellar mapping probe. There's some details blocked by the galactic core and dust clouds that won't be visible to Gaia but it's going to be fairly close to what a real photo would look like. Within a few thousand years mankind will probably send probes beyond the galactic plane to get actual images from above and below but we can do reasonably well with current technology.

exoplanet studies seem like bullshit desu senpai

>>14954954
>the non CGI images
lol

>>14954954
People like space so they buy space. Really, people support things like NASA and CERN even when they get nothing from it. Science is popular among the general population.
Plus scientists demand general funding and academic freedom. Its unthinkable for some university to come and say it will only fund solid state physics because chips and ignore the rest. So you must fund everything to get the useful scientists to work

>>14954954
Astronomy has intangible benefits, like art. Have you no curiosity about the mysteries of the universe? Your taxes have already funded it so you may as well indulge.

>>14955488
>Have you no curiosity about the mysteries of the universe?
I do, but cosmologists emphatically do not.

>>14955488
Its also a good vehicle to inspire the youth into studying science. Astronomy is how most people first get into science.

>>14955395
You don't need astronomers to make CGI for a music video

>>14955397
Yes, and? THere are people dying of hunger at this very moment and images (which are not pictures, but interpretation of signals according to their "standard model", which is probably wrong) are all astronomers can produce?

>>14954954
t. utilitarian npc

>>14955485
>People like space so they buy space. Really, people support things like NASA and CERN even when they get nothing from it. Science is popular among the general population.
Taxes are what support those things, people do not willingly support "space".

>>14955488
>Astronomy has intangible benefits, like art.
Are you joking?

>Have you no curiosity about the mysteries of the universe?
No, I am robbed every day by the State to pay for the garbage people call science, while what I would like scientists to study is not something they say is gorillion light-years away, but this planet itself. How about some more efficient ways to burn oil? How about telling me if there will be an earthquake where I live, about the vulcansim under the ground no one seems to care? How about free energy? How about using their gigabrains to improve logistics or finally make politicians realize socialism is driving prices sky high?

>Your taxes have already funded it so you may as well indulge.

>you're already being raped so you might as well enjoy taking it up in the ass

>>14955549
>Astronomy is how most people first get into science.
Chemistry kits and burning fallen leaves with magnifying glasses are what got me into science, not the globe religion

>>14955852
>t. utilitarian npc
You will become an utilitarian really quick when the feminism that universities created gives its fruits: demographic crisis and so many single mothers depending on the State that there aren't enough people to keep running the show

>>14955395
very pretty

>>14954954
astronomy helped in the development of classical mechanics.

>>14955861
not my problem

>>14954954
>Mathematicians at least ahve proven themselves to be useful over long periods of time when someone found an application of their pure crap. But astronomers?
The thing about finding applications for theory, is that you won't always know what'll have applications beforehand. Nor when they arise. The Romans thought their basic steam engines were just a cute toy, a curiosity. Yet here we are.
We won't know what has applications until it's applied. Could there be some way we could harvest electricity from dark matter or dark energy? We don't know yet. Will there be a fast way to travel the stars (figuring out the best places in the cosmos to go suddenly becomes important)? No idea. Is there other life out there we could be communicating or trading with? Not enough information to know. What will discrepancies between our models and observations of the stars lead to? Dunno.
>Nothing has come out of them since the inception of time
See >>14955092
Also the engineering and invention going into making those toys and getting them into space tends to push the envelope. It's a challenge, and challenge breeds innovation.

Has anyone ever seen a galaxy just going outside and looking up at the night sky?

or are they only visible with gorillion dollar space orbit telescopes that are controlled by a virtually anonymous entity who is not yourself or someone you know/trust?

Personally, I only see sparkly things called stars and planets in the night sky, along with the odd UFO every now and then.

would be pretty embarassing if most of the civilized world believed in funny images of things which don't actually exist.

>>14955916
>Could there be some way we could harvest electricity from dark matter or dark energy?
No, simply because THEY DO NOT FUCKING EXIST, they are just mathematical placeholders astronomers use so their model doesn't collapse entirely
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/cosmology-has-some-big-problems/

>Will there be a fast way to travel the stars
No, because the Earth is flat and that is an engineering problem, not a physics, let alone an astronomy one.

>figuring out the best places in the cosmos to go suddenly becomes important
Negroe, there are no "best places in the cosmos", the CGI scientists give you are just computers interpreting according to the scientists models and "artistic freedoms" of manipulating the data. And even if you were right, there is no point investing funds into astronomy before people can actually travel to space (assuming that were even possible) and at the speed of light.

>Is there other life out there we could be communicating or trading with?
What is the fucking point of it when socialism and State intervention already destroys the market mechanisms that would allow for the most efficient logistics? Funds should be spent to make hoppean argumentative ethics and austrian economics into common sense.

>What will discrepancies between our models and observations of the stars lead to?
More mental masturbation for astronomers, I guarantee that

>the engineering and invention going into making those toys and getting them into space tends to push the envelope
WHat fucking envelope you dumb nigger? Use actual words here. All this does is direct more taxes into building more rockets, money that could be much better spent in developing any other technology, like cars.

>It's a challenge, and challenge breeds innovation.
You just changed from astronomy to rocket engineering to try to justify astronomy's usefulness you fucking sack of shit, did you not think i wouldn't notice it?

>>14955916
>It's a challenge, and challenge breeds innovation.
There are plenty of challenges that would be more useful if they were solved and would bring more innovation, astronomy is completely unnecesary

>>14955933
>or are they only visible with gorillion dollar space orbit telescopes that are controlled by a virtually anonymous entity who is not yourself or someone you know/trust?
This is exactly the case

space is cool fag

>>14955975
Let's see how cool space faggotry is when you're shaking from cold because the government decided CERN and le heckin astronomers need of electricity from unclean sources is a "necessary evil" and you have to pay for it by eating da bugs and choosng betwwen paying rent and paying your clean energy bills
https://www.zdnet.com/article/cern-is-firing-up-its-large-hadron-collider-at-record-energy-levels-in-search-of-dark-matter/
https://astroengine.com/2009/01/13/oh-no-rocket-launches-are-bad-for-the-environment-wed-better-stay-at-home-then/

By the way, I'll let you on a little secret scientists won't tell you. DO you know why the "space" travels are callled voyages? It ahs to do with what is written in Genesis 1, waters above and water bellow the dome, look up the old definitions of voyage.

>>14955979
ancient astronomy, which actually had an application since it was baed on empiricism. modern astronomy is complete garbage.

>>14955983
see pic

>>14955983
not my problem schizo

>>14955991
who is the real schizo here negroe?

>>14956025
you
now seethe

Discovery of elements and particles like helium and neutrinos
Early detection of solar flares and meteors
Atmospheric imagining used for weather prediction and climate change
Adapting astronomy technology into other science fields like radiation therapy and other medicine
Learning where we come from

But yeah, totally don't do anything.

>>14956041
>Discovery of elements and particles like helium and neutrinos
Chemists and physicists' business

>Early detection of solar flares and meteors
Quite possibly the most retarded of them all since astronomers can do nothing to prevent those from fucking up the planet, engineers can. That assuming the retarded globe model is true, which it isn't. The most pressing concern in the correct model (flat earth) aren't some fucking rocks scientists conveniently never find but still say exist, the main concern is the magnetic field inversion, which is increasingly accelerating and no one will talk about it until the shit hits the fan.

>Atmospheric imagining used for weather prediction and climate change
Nothing to do with astronomy, but with phyiscs and engineering. Even then, climate change science only usefulness has been to politicians to impose more taxes and limtations upon the population, much like covid science has been used to impose tyranny. Scientsits to this day can't predict any weather a week from now (yet they claim to know how the climate will be like 50 years from now).

>Adapting astronomy technology into other science fields like radiation therapy and other medicine
It would be more efficient to just invest the resources on these areas directly instead of putting resources in astronomy and then using more funds trying to make something useful out of it.

>Learning where we come from
There is a book called Bible that already does that

>But yeah, totally don't do anything.
Yes

>>14954971
Yeah, but pair those eggheads up with some plucky rednecks who get shit done but don't know shit and you got a stew goin' baby
Eggheads refining the spirited, futile efforts of the savage men are why we are where we are

>>14955854
>Taxes are what support those things, people do not willingly support "space".
People say they are happy when taxes are used for science. Its a popular bipartisan thing.
So people get something from spending in abstract science, like good feels

>>14955857
>No, I am robbed every day by the State to pay for the garbage people call science,
You are a threat to our democracy. The people vote for how taxes are spent though their elected representatives in the people's congress. You think you know better, tyrant?

>>14955852
It's funny because even through OP's lens of science only being worthwhile if it means he can CONSOOM product more astronomy would still be worthwhile for the advancements in electronics and data processing it produces in addition to the greater understanding of physics

>>14956478
>more astronomy would still be worthwhile for the advancements in electronics and data processing it produces
This doesnt happen

>>14956483
ok retard

>>14956484
Astronomy doesnt develop any technology useful for anything except astronomy.
If you want some fancy camera for an industrial application you can just develop the fancy camera, no need to go through some astronomy phase

>>14956478
>if it means he can CONSOOM product more
I only care about having a house, water, food and children, everything else is for the purpose of facilitating those things

>>14956534
Maslow pyramid says you are wrong. You will never be satisfied

>>14954954
There are some uses. I work for a certain military program that uses UCAC4 to simulate certain optical things.

>>14956549
>UCAC4 to simulate certain optical things.
Optics can be developed on their own

>>14956521
Velcro nigger GPS nigger

>>14956558
>GPS
https://archived.moe/sci/thread/14371924

>>14956545
>Maslow pyramid says you are wrong. You will never be satisfied
Of course not, I always want more children and women if I can get them

>>14956589
>long schizo rant

Dont care. GPS is real

>>14954954
whaddya mean the sciencers havent travelled 100000 lightyears away from the milky way to take a photo of it???? wtf i hate astronomy now

>>14956591
>I always want more children and women if I can get them

>>14954954
>How do these motherfuckers keep getting funds at all?
Your tax money. The Department of Defense gave the astronomers megabucks to build huge telescopes to locate potentially hazardous objects approaching Earth. That's how Oumuamua was discovered.

>>14956631
gps on your phone is not gps, it is triangulation from radio towers, which is just as well swell enough to claim that's probably how any gps works. this is why it's important to have licenses for ham radios because radioniggers can triangulate where you have broadcasted from, and that shit has huge range.

radio is not real though.

>>14957833
>Your tax money. The Department of Defense gave the astronomers megabucks to build huge telescopes to locate potentially hazardous objects approaching Earth. That's how Oumuamua was discovered.
so astronomy is useful so politicians get early warnings about meteor so they can hide in their tax funded bunkers?

>>14955857
>How about free energy?
>make politicians realize socialism is driving prices sky high?
astounding

you demonstrated the opposite of understanding of every term you used, and STILL managed to contradict yourself. i'm in awe.

>>14957973
>you demonstrated the opposite of understanding of every term you used, and STILL managed to contradict yourself. i'm in awe.
Yes

>>14957964
Early warning of objects that could hit Earth benefits everyone since these objects can then be intercepted and diverted. You'll be happy to know that the us gov is providing even more megabucks for a huge new telescope to cover the southern hemisphere as well. Near-Earth objects also have big potential for resource exploitation once mankind starts moving out into the solar system. Knowing where these things are and what they're made of will make mining operations much easier.

>>14958060
>these objects can then be intercepted and diverted
nice joke

>You'll be happy to know that the us gov is providing even more megabucks for a huge new telescope to cover the southern hemisphere as well
A glowie on sci of all places? Why do you assume I live in the south hemisphere?

>Near-Earth objects also have big potential for resource exploitation
You know what else has a big potential? Fracking, stopping with this stupid enviromentalist agenda wouldn't be too bad either

>once mankind starts moving out into the solar system
The State and it's minority minions manage to destroy cities, imagine thinking such a soceity will build anything close to being able to move outside of this planet. Maybe the chinese will in 500 years if their socialism didn't collapse by then

> Knowing where these things are and what they're made of will make mining operations much easier.
Better call the engineers and ask what they think of those star trek pipe dreams too

>>14955485
You don't actually Science, do you?

>>14955848
>You don't need astronomers to make CGI for a music video
But you need CGI to justify paying astronomers.

>>14956392
>People say they are happy when taxes are used for science.
But they aren't doing Science.
They're just fucking off with the money while acting like childish 12 year olds, and have a unhinged meltdowns when people call out their bullshit.
It's literally impossible to even have a conversation with you people, because you know that we know that you're full of shit, and the best you can do is say:
>well at least it's not going to niggers/israel/ukraine!
>just worry about yourself, why do you care?!!
which eventually always leads to:
>lol, stay mad chuds!

>>14956484
Paying a company $Billions to sell you a camera so you can slap a NASA sticker on it =/= "developing astronomy technology".

>>14956549
>There are some uses. I work for a certain military program that uses UCAC4 to simulate certain optical things.
Knowing the West, you probably just digitally stalk/harass various Western political dissidents, and call it "Simulations Optics".

>>14956558
Just post Flat Earth propaganda if you're going to post memes

Retarded bait thread but astronomical sciences are necessary for a number of technologies like satellites

>>14956397
>You are a threat to our democracy. The people vote for how taxes are spent though their elected representatives in the people's congress. You think you know better, tyrant?
It's funny until you realize millions of people in positions of non-trivial authority with a mind perpetually stuck at the age of 12 unironically believe this.

>>14957833
>The Department of Defense gave the astronomers megabucks to build huge telescopes to locate potentially hazardous objects approaching Earth.
Kek, is that what they said?
lolno

>>14957973
>Invest Hundreds-of-$Billions over decades in "Alternative Energy" Research
>Europe is about to freeze to death because of insane Energy prices
Makes sense.

>>14958060
>Early warning of objects that could hit Earth benefits everyone since these objects can then be intercepted and diverted.
1. I am highly sceptical of their ability to track celestial objects
2. The only objects they even have a remote possibiltiy to "deflect" would be objects so small, that they wouldn't pose any danger if they did hit; any seriously threatening asteroids will not be deflectable, unless they plan on memeing the asteroids away.
3. I don't want to read an article every other day about how muh NASA needs another $100Billion to "save us from impending doom" about some totally real asteroid that's seriously going to wipe us out if we don't give them 6 gorillion handcrafted golden tiaras.

>>14958060
>Near-Earth objects also have big potential for resource exploitation once mankind starts moving out into the solar system. Knowing where these things are and what they're made of will make mining operations much easier.
So the Public has to fund their mining operations so they can then turn around and charge the Public for the shit they just paid for?

>>14955851
I 100% support giving money to astronomers over starving niggers who will simply shart out 8 starving niglets who then need to be fed. It's like feeding a tumor.

>>14958589
>I 100% support giving money to astronomers over starving niggers who will simply shart out 8 starving niglets who then need to be fed.
That's basically where the money is going to with the current Space program.

>>14956534
thank God better men exist than you then. Otherwise there would never be any civilization at all

>>14958602
>A bunch of images and articles slapped haphazardly around an image with no structure or central idea

The schizo strikes again!

>>14958589
>over starving niggers
IM TALKING ABOUT WHITE AND ASIAN PEOPLE IN AMERICAN, ABOUT VETERANS WHO LIVE LIKE HOMELESS

>>14958647
>thank God better men exist than you then. Otherwise there would never be any civilization at all
Civilization is built by fathers, scientists don't reproduce therefore tehy can't build civlization

>>14958859
They deserve it

>>14955933
you can see Andromeda using binoculars

Don't care
look at this cool webm I made of me imaging the ISS with an iPhone and a 5" amateur telescope

>>14955851
>images (which are not pictures, but interpretation of signals according to their "standard model", which is probably wrong)

boring flat earther drivel.
pic related:
left is a picture/photograph because its straight out of a camera.
right is an image because it has several photos stacked.
Which one is more true to life?
Same goes for stitched together collages or images captured in different wavelengths, doesn't have anything to do with "interpretations of signals" no matter how much you 0 iq monkeys repeat this line.


A gunner inside a helicopter gunship with an infrared camera also only sees "images", but you don't see hajis complainining over the images not being real after being turned into mist, do you?
You can seethe about NASA and other space agencies using the term image correctly, doesn't make you less of an uninformed retard

>>14960883
>Same goes for stitched together collages or images captured in different wavelengths, doesn't have anything to do with "interpretations of signals" no matter how much you 0 iq monkeys repeat this line.
They don't capture any images, your comparison is completely wrong. They capoure signals and then interpret the signals into CGI

>>14960939
ok retard

>>14960939
>They capoure signals and then interpret the signals into CGI
If by signals you mean photons and by interpreting signals into CGI you mean using camera sensors to generate digital images, like any modern camera, you are correct.
Hubble's main instrument is literally a CCD camera.
You can capture everything it images in visible spectrum with amateur equipment.

>>14954954
>How do these motherfuckers keep getting funds at all?
They're very good at photoshop and marketing.

>>14960870
That's cool Anon!

you raise one valid point, that astronomers get too much money. there is no reason to study extremely far distant stellar objects, since we will never, ever visit them and they have no bearing whatsoever on our solar system. still, astronomy is consistently interesting and very mildly fun. astronomers deserve to be given a tiny bit of funds.

>>14961200
>You can capture everything it images in visible spectrum with amateur equipment.
I can attest to that. Here's my image of M51 compared with Hubble's.

>>14965168
very cool anon.

>>14954954
Because these science experiments in space endorsed by astronomy are used for scientific experiments and engineering on earth as well. You dumb shit.

>>14955851
>THere are people dying of hunger at this very moment
Don't care.

>>14955857
>I am robbed every day by the State to pay for the garbage people call science
Doesn't mean the funds would have benefited you, anyway. If the funds aren't going to science, they would use it to build more high-density homes.

>>14965168
Dank. Here's my image of M51.
This was always my favorite galaxy for modest, backyard scopes. Way better than flocculent, somewhat edge-on Andromeda for being awed by galactic structure.

>>14966727
You can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time.

>>14966745
Elaborate

>>14966875
We can solve hunger and support Israel at the same time

>>14961200
>If by signals you mean photons
No, I mean things like radiation and frequencies

>Hubble's main instrument is literally a CCD camera.
I want detailed specs of that camera, I won't accept a "just trust me bro", NASA has been caught lying repeatedly by actal scientists
https://nathanpmyhrvold.medium.com/myhrvold-guide-to-neowise-4866a2f7b76d
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jun/24/nathan-myhrvold-inventor-microsoft-patent-nasa-asteroid-data-pizza-science

>>14964603
>still, astronomy is consistently interesting and very mildly fun. astronomers deserve to be given a tiny bit of funds.
Let the private sector do it, I'm sure there are many heckin science loving pupperino pet daddies willing to direct some of the funds they would use to funkpops to astronomy

>>14966741
actual image

>>14965168
CGI, heavily "touched upon"

>>14967087
>actual image
>CGI, heavily "touched upon"
what is your experience with astrophotography that you can make these claims, anon?
You sound completely clueless to me.

What does your rig look like?

>>14967079
Electromagnetic radiation is still made of photons. And saying "frequencies" on its own like that is nonsense

I don't know about you, but I can't see radio waves. And I can't see x-rays. If want to see a visual representation of those, they have to be transposed into visible light

I don't understand why this is so hard to understand for some people.

>>14967079
Also how retarded do you have to be to not know how to Google anything

https://esahubble.org/about/general/instruments/wfc3/

>>14967079
If you open a picture of yourself and hue shift it, you can still use tell what you look like from it.

We don't have any choice but to do that with x-rays, radio waves, and infrared because we can't see those wavelengths of light

>nooo you can't just shoot me those images are CG-ACK!!!

>>14965168
>>14966741
Here's another pic.

>>14967087
Suck a big one

>>14967053
Fuck hunger and Israel!

>>14967169
>what is your experience with astrophotography that you can make these claims, anon?
I watched some youtube videos about how nasa is faking everything

>>14955092
>actual shape of this Earth
Oblong sphere

>>14954954
Don't they monitor alien homewords in secret?

>>14954954
lots of crap related to gravity and mathematics has been revealed thanks to observing celestial bodies

>>14969129
>gravity
Which is wrong
https://sciencevstruth.org/muons-time-dilation/

>>14954954
People only "support" it as long as check money, labor and energy exist. The Fed is raising rate so the cheap money is soon gone. We're exhausting more and more of our fossil fuels, oil will run out in 30 years and as the population ages we'll run out of cheap labor.

>>14955851
>Yes, and? THere are people dying of hunger at this very moment

Here is a list of science that should no longer be funded because it is fucking useless:

Math
Physics
Astronomy

>>14964603
Bio, engineering, etc get absurd amounts of money compared to physics, and astronomy is just a small part of physics, so blow it out your ass.

Also, plenty of astronomers work on solar system stuff, so... ???

>>14967079
When you take a picture with a CCD, you're literally counting how many photons (which are E&M radiation, and which have frequencies) hit each pixel during the exposure. If you use a filter, you are looking at only photons within some frequency range. If you use a spectrograph, you spread the photons out across the CCD according to their frequency (or, equivalently, wavelength). So yes, actually.

Here's (one of) the Hubble's instrument's specs, you lazy fuck. https://www.stsci.edu/~WFC3/resources/WFC3-WhitePaper-2001.pdf

>>14971797
Your doordasher wouldn't be able to deliver your nuggies without GPS, which relies on physicists who specialize in precision timing.

if you aren't white or asian these things might be hard to understand

I don't think a single scientist studies their autistic thing because they do or don't find it useful. They never have really. That's only been the focus of the sociopathic businessman who for whatever reason the west is obsessed with, you included.

Ask yourself, why does it even need to be useful? You are giving the autists joy and funding their passions. The autists are the jewels of humanity. They're worth your entire family line.