/sci/ - Science & Math

>>14948908
Do you guys remember when all the virologists in the world wrote a non academic article in an academic journal swearing it was not man made or a bio weapon? I memba

Because CCP hastily destroyed any of the evidence in Wuhan that would have actually shed light on any of the major hypothesis.

Could have been lab leak, could have been one of their researchers got infected in a cave on a research outing, could have been fucking pangolins at a meat market. We'll literally never know because they basically torched the whole place. The videos of Wuhan Virology institute mishandling/having live bat populations caught even experts in the field off guard, but again, the CCP destroyed any evidence those bats could have left behind way before we knew to ask.

The one conspiracy theory I dismiss outright is that it was designed to be this infectious. China basically steals all its scientific knowledge from the west and there's a consensus among western geneticists that there's no evidence of genetic engineering.

>>14948938
One reason I can think of is China having a huge elder population that contributes nothing and is going to be a drag on the health services either way, so they use Covid, a mostly harmless disease to cull old people from china while keeping their younger population.

>>14948945
China's Zero-Covid policy wouldn't make any sense if that were the plan. They've gone above and beyond to keep the numbers down, at a great loss for their economy and society.

>>14948908
>Why is every covid conspiracy about the vaccine and never about covid itself?
>covid
you mean the common cold?

>>14948951
Maybe it was a leak, but the intentions on making research on covid were those, covid as it was released from the very start was pretty deadly to younger adults as well, they realized they fucked up, torched the evidence and have been doing damage control ever since.

>>14948912
they did that pretty much from day 1, kek
>all experts confirm that the wu han bio lab cannot possibly be connected to this. no it is not necessary to investigate. it is literally not possible because only a conspiracy theorist would think that it is possible

>>14948952
Nah man, we're way past covid denial at this point.

>>14948908
That's the nature of the psyop and it worked.

>>14948908
Because some jew at a university taught that one chinkbitch in the US how to do the exact viral transference or whatever that it takes to jump species. Then she worked at Wuhan. Now we're here. I don't blame the nerds for covering it up nobody would trust them ever again.

>>14948908
You must nervously agree with the official position decreed by our tech oligarchs, and pray that you are not punished for it after the narrative inevitably changes.

>>14948956
How would they know how deadly it was if there was no data you could infer the total number of already-infected people from?

>>14948988
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL9CuREXk20
They saw it on south park

>>14948961
>Nah man, we're way past covid denial at this point.
categorically covid is the common cold. tell me what makes you think it's different? I've known dozens of people who had a "case of covid" it runs it's course like a cold.

>Literally no one talks about it
April 2020
https://yurideigin.medium.com/lab-made-cov2-genealogy-through-the-lens-of-gain-of-function-research-f96dd7413748

March 2021
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/03/04/us/covid-origins-letter.html

October 2022
>it appears reasonable to conclude that
the COVID-19 pandemic was, more likely than not, the result of a research-related incident.
https://www.help.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/report_an_analysis_of_the_origins_of_covid-19_102722.pdf

October 2022
>We found that SARS-CoV has the restriction site fingerprint that is typical for synthetic viruses.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.18.512756v1

Also https://drasticresearch.org/

>>14949010
>Categorically
You have no idea what you're babbling about.
A common cold that destroys senses of smell and taste and puts some people on ventilators. Even if it would be 99% genetically the same (it's not), it would still be singled out and given a specific name. What's even your point?

>>14948908
>Like where the fuck did it come from
from a lab, very likely the Wuhan lab
>is there any origin story settled?
No because they don't want it settled. Its very embarrassing for them to admit they created it in a lab. The fact they haven't tracked down how it "hopped" from species by now is very telling.
>Was it a bioweapon?
Its gain of function research. Its dual purpose technology. They say they are just creating them to develop vaccines for a future outbreak but even simple mutations found in covid would take 10,000 years to occur naturally.
>Was it an accident?
This is the real and most important question. Not enough public info about it to know for sure but you can "speculate".

>>14948908
>Like where the fuck did it come from, is there any origin story settled? Was it a bioweapon?
Where you been the last two years bro? Locked in a basement with no TV or internet? People in the US government like Fauci, Obama, etc. along with Bill Gates and his "Foundation" and Harvard University all were behind the funding of Wuhan Lab in China and doing "gain of function" research to make more dangerous germs for bio-warfare research, since it was supposed to be banned in the USA.
See picrel.

>>14948951
>China's Zero-Covid policy wouldn't make any sense if that were the plan. They've gone above and beyond to keep the numbers down, at a great loss for their economy and society.

That is a "cover" so they could round up political dissidents and non-desirables like Uighurs, Muslims, Christians, non-ethnic-Chinese, Hmong's, etc.

China has murdered over 25 million people, twice as many people as were murdered in the Holocaust.

Notice how the US and western media is mostly silent to it, and still refer to the Jewish Holocaust 75 years later, but hardly a peep about the 25 million+ people that have disappeared in China in the last two years. Or the satellite evidence of mass cremations, far above any reported "covid deaths" by the millions.

Or the organ harvesting. How China has been selling tens of millions of organs in the last 2 years, far far above normal rates.

It was a bioweapon created to kill all the people who agree with the government so that only antivaxx retards could be the only ones to stay alive, because that's definitely what the elites wants, makes a lot of sense doesn't it?

Schizos never cease to entertain you with their cognitive dissonance.

>>14949068
>mentally challenged glow-Gov

>>14949029
>What's even your point?
my point is for my age bracket the survival rate is 99.999% Covid is just the common cold. Its taxonomically and lethally no different.

>>14949087
But... long covid...

>>14949105
kek, myth. long-vax-related problems. You don't even have to have the vax to get that, just being near someone who did get it can cause crossover contamination.

>>14949107
So this is how it happens, some glowie comes mentions the vax and suddenly we all forget covid was a thing.
Sad state of affairs modernity is, I don't want to die yet, but I'm glad I only get to experience this sick world for a little while.

>>14949115
>>mentally challenged glow-Gov speaks again
>>gets narrative mixed up.

>>14949115
>covid was a thing.
it was a demonstration of mass hysteresis and dystopian authoritarianism. Read the box the masks came in. They don't prevent the spread of a virus. Go look at the survival rates. It was the biggest nothing burger of the 21st century. I attended a total of zero funerals in a pandemic. You need to be more critical.

>>14949135
I know at least 5 people that I knew personally that died due to covid related issues, some more that barely escaped death due to their youth and tons that haven't recovered their senses back.
Your internet gaslight is meaningless to me.

>>14948908
viruses literally don't exist
I'm not joking, there's literally no such thing as a virus
that entire farce started with the fraudulent origins of the so-called tobacco mosaic virus (TMV), whereby they'd give the tobacco plants a poisonous cocktail purportedly containing a "virus" from dead plants that was supposedly making them die, which promptly caused them to die, and then they'd make the same poisonous cocktail with those plants in turn
then they compared this to "control", which was a healthy plant not exposed to anything, and said "ta-dah, it's a virus"
in reality, no actual control was ever done, and never has been in the entire fraudulent field of "virology" ever, because an actual control would be to give plants the same poisonous cocktail but without the alleged "virus", and anyone who does this will immediately see the obvious: the plants die anyway, because there is no "virus", it's a poisonous cocktail that murders the plant
imagine if you were to shoot someone in the head with a bullet that supposedly has a "virus" on it, and then compare the result to a person you don't shoot at all, of course you'd find that the "virus" kills the man
the only problem is that an actual control there would be to shoot a man with a regular bullet that doesn't have the "virus" on it, and of course he'd die too
everything since then has just been trying to blame a wide variety of symptoms resulting from people consuming toxic garbage and being exposed to toxic environments on such "viruses", constructing more and more sophisticated methods to fraudulently make the claims they do, such as e.g. using PCR to construct pretty much any sequence they want out of anything
it's like me bombing your house to pieces, constructing a huge donkey statue out of the pieces, and then loudly proclaiming that there was a donkey statue in your house all along (and also that it was responsible for blowing up your house)
totally ridiculous, a farce beyond comprehension

>>14949146
>I know at least 5 people that I knew personally that died due to covid related issues
so they stuck something too large up their ass and perforated their colon? What do your weasel words even mean? I work at a company of 300. Not a single one was even hospitalized.

>>14949164
Youre too far gone man, I dont mind, rant your mind out, I wont read it.
If theres someone to blame and hold responsible for this mess he wont ever see any consequences because you retards chose the retard approach to this.

>>14948908
Because covid doesn't exist so we try to discover the purpose of the lie and the vax.

>>14949146
Do you work in a retirement home?

>>14949135
>it was a demonstration of mass hysteresis and dystopian authoritarianism.
It was amusing though, but somewhat disturbing. Still see the occasional masker out in public. Fun to point and yell "UNCLEAN! UNCLEAN!"

>>14949146
>I know at least 5 people that I knew personally that died due to covid related issues
> >>mentally challenged glow-Gov speaks yet again
>>>makes even more ridiculous claims that are statistically impossible.

>>14949087
>same lethality
>covid = just cold
How did scientists manage without your valuable contributions?

My coworkers (30-40 yo) haven't recovered their taste and smell, and probably never will. I had only lost smell for 10 days of very mild sickness, but who knows what other issues are waiting to pop up.

>>14948908
There's no actual solid proof it exists

>skeptical about vaccines
>not skeptical about COVID existing, which it doesn't

>>14949149
I've heard this theory before but how does this explain catching a cold or flu from other people? Or other things that are clearly transmitted between people

>>14949230
>My coworkers (30-40 yo) haven't recovered their taste and smell, and probably never will
statistically impossible, as loss of smell continuing over 1 month is less than .0001% of people. Impossible you know more than one. Even knowing one person would be like the odds of winning a major state lottery.

>>14948938
>China basically steals all its scientific knowledge from the west and there's a consensus among western geneticists that there's no evidence of genetic engineering.
Actually a lot of Western scientists pointed out signs of genetic engineering, and Moderna's response was to pull all their identified patent sequences from the BLAST database.

>>14948908
> mfw 4chan was aware since 2019

>>14948908

>pic related.

>>14949230
>How did scientists manage without your valuable contributions?
they, especially the ones at Pfizer, are making $billions. They don't need me.

>>14949247

>>14949350

>>14949029
>A common cold that destroys senses of smell and taste and puts some people on ventilators.
That's a common flu guy. Had it 3 times in my life decades agao and than never again. Sure you vaxtards are brainwashed, but what has wiped your memory and common sense?

>>14949402
>on ventilators
forgot, ventilators kills flu patients. Was common sense before covid, now the subhumans had proofed it again.

>>14949402
>what has wiped your memory and common sense?
the common person is so susceptible to suggestion it's scary. The 24/7 covid alarmism was basically the news media losing Trump to blab about all day, so they needed another story.

>>14948938
This post is pretty much it.

>>14949266
It's statistically impossible for your post to have that number. This board is full with pseuds

>>14948908
no one can explain this till day, no one mention this, no one investigating this.
imagine being so blind its still on in youtube lol

>>14948908
I got gaslit into taking the gene therapy like millions of my countrymen and now I've got blood clots. Funny how this is how the world ends

>>14948908
The latter gripe is conjecture, although not to be dismissed, whereas the former appears to have supporting evidence, thus, the *conspiracy*; people are obviously covering up facts.
It's like comparing UFOs - which is somewhat legitimate, to 9/11 - which everyone knows about from "it's a lie," to "I know exactly who did it," and both outcomes are the same, that the official top-down narrative continues to follow itself.

>>14948908
They just toyed with the threshold cycles of PCR tests until you would always test positive for the miniscule coronavirus particles inside you that have ALWAYS existed. Fundamentally its just a bad (nefarious) interpretation of PCR tests that caused this charade.

Good luck explaining this to people. 95% of the population legitimately don't know and can't fathom that there was such a thing as coronavirus pre-2019, and they call you an insane conspiracy theorist if you tell them otherwise. This is the absolute state of society's general awareness in current year.

>>14948908
>where the fuck did it come from
Most likely a Chinese laboratory.
Possibly an American laboratory.
It was probably a collaborative effort, so, after accusing each other for the sake of theatrics, both Americans and Chinese just quietly dropped the issue.

>>14948961
>>14949029
You cannot prove that covid exists.

>>14949068
It's a bioweapon created to kill all the antivaxx retards, obviously. It's designed to kill the old and unhealthy who don't trust the government, and frighten the shit out of everyone else.

When the shit comes that assimilates us into the AGI-led hivemind, it won't need an injection. We'll breath the nanobots in. But first we have to do our best to limit the influence within the hivemind of people who don't trust authority, don't follow the herd.

>>14949875
>test positive for the miniscule coronavirus particles inside you that have ALWAYS existed.
Proof? The PCR tests only detect sequences unique to COVID-19. The criticism of PCR tests always has been that they give positive results for people who are no longer transmitting the virtuous, but it's a diagnostic test, not a transmissibility test. Why are you making shut up?

>>14949248
My first wife truly believed that the common cold was caused by exposure to cold, wet weather. I believed that it was caused by a virus, and the cold, wet weather wouldn't harm me.
Every time we went out together in cold, wet weather, she got sick and I didn't. I just didn't kiss her, and kept my distance when she was sick, so I didn't get sick. I rarely do.

>>14949734
Blood clots are caused by age, poor diet, and lack of exercise.

>>14950022
>The PCR tests only detect sequences unique to COVID-19.
No they don't. They test for the common coronavirus. There were a shitton of world-famous doctors calling this out early 2020 but they were all silenced. If you had the flu in 2015 and did the PCR test you would've tested positive. Its a complete scam.

>>14950026
Fuck off cunt, so what, she made herself sick ?
There's no evidence coming from credible, official sources for the nocebo effect.

And if you don't believe COVID was real, and if you believe the vaccine is a deadly mutagen aimed at genocide, well, i don't know what to say to you.

>>14948912
Sure. They said it was OBVIOUSLY not man made. Somehow they just forgot to explain just why it was obvious.

>>14948951
Read Svante Paabo's article on COVID, it tells you about the ethnic/genetic selectivity. For the first waves, the various people in the Far East were less susceptible than others, only the latest strains reverse this. Just look at the figures in, say, Japan, where fatalities are far higher than in Europe.

So sure, it could have been made by China, and it may possibly have been intentionally released, but this latest strain was not part of the plan.

>>14948988
The easiest way to test, by far, is on Uighurs in the detention camps. As people die, they just forgot to tell the families, why in any case were also in these camps.

>>14950026
>My first wife truly believed that the common cold was caused by exposure to cold, wet weather
she has mold allergies

>>14950032
And the shot.

>>14949875
>>14950022

>>14949722
Notice the date in picrel, before Event 201 that planned the release of the virus.

>>14951035
*after Event 201, and when they released the virus, and before* the global scam took off.

>>14951040
I wonder if that's considered insider trading.

>>14951163
>I wonder if that's considered insider trading.
All the rich people and 99% of politicians do that and manipulating the market.

>>14951035
What is his problem? Why does he need to be so evil?

>>14951174
Scientifically we call people like him "spiteful mutants."

>>14951174
>What is his problem? Why does he need to be so evil?
The most evil people to exist are usually the ones who "want to change the world for the better".

ALL dictators and most politicians, as well as most socialists and authoritarians are this way.

>>14951190
Why would he want to rule this sick sad world into even more pitiful state? He has enogh funds to buy whatever change he could imagine ..ah, I see, he wasn't all that smart so he bought into overpopulation meme and imagined world with sterile population. What a silly boy, someboyd shoot him with some good drugs already.

>>14951205
Once a person is filthy rich, they think what good is just being rich, then they want to be powerful as well.

>>14951205
>Why would he want to rule this sick sad world into even more pitiful state?
Gates is part of the WEF group of people who want a one-world government. They also want to depopulate the planet to much smaller levels of human population, because they think humans are "destroying the planet."

They have a saviour-mentality, a symptom of narcissism, that most leftists are infected with.

>>14951209
Power to do what?

>>14951212
It's hard for me to believe that all those powerful people are so retarded, but then I remember a saying attributed to Talleyrand that entire nations would be horrified if they knew what petty people rule over them.
We should invent some smartening technologies to straighten those faggots up.

>>14948908
It's a cold or flu strain that was renamed to covid. From what I've seen it a cold strain that flu deaths were attributed to.

>>14950022
>The PCR tests only detect sequences
Do you work with that or just babble mainstream propaganda?

>>14949247
i agree it was an op, but that it was a deliberately released plausibly deniable """attenuated vaccine""" - everything laundered through the sinoids - and they knew it would deattenuate

Corona virus is a common virus. It came from the same place dozens of other common flus, east asia.

The only problem was the mass media chaos caused purposedly by the global media elites

>>14951224
>OOOOOOH IM GIGAVAXXING OOOOOOOOOOOOH

>>14948908
They've been doing gain of function research on coronaviruses in Wuhan since 2015 if not earlier.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985
(ctrl+f wuhan to find the two authors in Wuhan)
It was already viewed as having the potential to cause a pandemic in 2015.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2015.18787

>>14948908
>Why is every covid conspiracy about the vaccine and never about covid itself?
A harmless flu that only kills deathly sick geriatrics is not that scary, I guess.

>>14948908
Air borne infectious viruses don't exist according to Yeadon and others

>>14949050
>25 million+ people that have disappeared in China in the last two years
That's like 2% of the population that's insane if true, where would you even find data on this?.

>>14948908
Not a conspiracy theorist
Just someone who knows things
There's a decent chance, like 50/50 that covid was the result of gain of function research. There's no way to officially tell, but it's a little more than coincidence that there's a lab in Wuhan.
The US does it too unfortunately, but at least they seem to take biosecurity a little more seriously.
It would be extremely unlikely that China realed the virus on purpose. I'm nearly certain, 99%, that if it was gain of function, the leak was on accident.
This isn't a conspiracy in the classic sense, but people in the know acknowledge it as a distinct possibility.

>>14952162
Do you remember the biocontainment vials that were caught being smuggled by chinese through canada?

>>14952154
China has been cooking the books on every level with everything from food to GDP to population. Any numbers that come out of China, and most authoritarian governments, are meaningless.
You bump your population by 1%, the guy above you do the same, until it reaches HQ and you have hugely inflated numbers.

>>14952166
That was most likely not relevant. China had no reason to do that but there are groups who would benefit from spreading that rumor.

>>14952162
It was US funded research being done in Wuhan btw. Cheaper than in the US so they outsourced it.

>>14952169
>It was US funded research being done in Wuhan btw.
we need a refund then. it's no more fatal than a bad cold.

>>14952167
>just trust me dude

>>14952124
wear the FUCKING mask chud

>>14952179
This is the hill you want to die on? It's common knowledge

>>14952228
>dude everybody knows it

>>14948908
>Why is every covid conspiracy about the vaccine and never about covid itself?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuhan_Institute_of_Virology#Coronavirus_research

Because there's a well documented plurality of evidences of ongoing zoonotic transmission, including the history of publication from the Wuhan institute itself warning about, and trying to bring attention to, the issue. Entirely fallen on deaf ears.

But you can make a conspiracy out of anything. Just assume everyone is lying when it contradicts what you want to believe. That's what every retard from /pol/ does.

>>14950765
Just exercise

>>14952166
>Don't you remember *insert concocted media fear piece here* bro??!!??

Yes dude real life is just like the heckin movierinos and the super secret good guy agents caught the bad guys smuggling viral agents through a fucking commercial airport and then proceeded to notify the mainstream media about this. Grow up.

>>14953409
And don't get the shot.

>>14953422
Remember how at that time Lieber was exposed for nanowire research?

Wow, that's all such a coincidence, and probably completely unrelated to the $Trillions that these ""Biotech Startups"" made over the last few years.

>>14949135
>It was the biggest nothing burger of the 21st century.
And yet...

>>14948908
because we're all being forced to take it. Everyone knows or should know by now that covid was a weapon of war that was leaked or contracted by mistake somehow from one of the workers but it was meant it happen, it was in our timeline and everyone knows Bill Gates was funding the labratory that created it

>it's le bioweapon

Who makes a bioweapon with a 99.whatever% survival rate

>>14953618
The virus wasn't the bioweapon, the response to it was.

>>14949146
You sure it wasn't the vaccine? How many vaccines did they take?

>>14953640
Yeah, the spike is a literal bioweapon.

>>14953640
https://streamable.com/415q07
Watch this and say again how the vaccine is la bioweapon, retard.

>>14952154
>>25 million+ people that have disappeared in China in the last two years
>That's like 2% of the population that's insane if true, where would you even find data on this?.
Are you really this clueless about what China is doing? Not just the genocide, but the slave labor camps that number in the millions of residents, making cheap products to export.

The Chinese government deserves nukes. Any that escape deserve public beheadings or steamrolling.

>>14951232
>We should invent some smartening technologies to straighten those faggots up.
Nooses work well.

>>14952179
>Chineee holocaust denying shill say dummm theeengs

>>14955875
Good question. Nobody knows 5 people who died purely from covid. That would be impossible unless they were a doctor or nurse, etc.

>>14957578
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/bhakdiburkhardt-pathology-results

>>14959084
https://www.familyeducation.com/baby-names/name-meaning/kirsch
>Jewish (Ashkenazic) : ornamental name from GermanKirsche ‘cherry’, one of the many names taken from words for trees and other features of the natural world. The surname is from either the German or the northeastern or western Yiddish form of the word. Compare Karsh.

>>14959131
covid cultists are closeted antisemites

>>14959136
This, there's nothing wrong with being jewish.
And i say that as a human, not a jew.

>>14949321
Any chance for a link to the thread for the biggest picture in the picture group?

>>14950601
latest strains might've been white hat, it's just too easy nowadays

>>14948908
Because they are glownigges and their pet schizos distracting us.

>>14948908
Wuhan lab genetically engineered to be airborne aids

>>14948938
If you BLAST the original SARS-CoV and compare it to SARS-CoV2 you see a lot of genomic islands -- hell you may as well call it a genomic archipelago. Combined with the spike protein's binding affinity to Rhesus Monkey and murine, but not bat or pangolin, ACE2 receptors you're not left with many other possibilities:

The virus was made in a lab probably to elucidate how a future coronavirus pandemic might arise and how best to prevent it/prepare for it. In a lot of ways it's a good thing (the virus was attenuated to not be as deadly), in other ways it's not (the spike protein was engineered to be as "sticky" as possible, so it utilizes beta-stacking and prion-like domains that can cause amyloidosis/clots/CJD/"long covid"). Its release was probably an accident -- maybe a scientist was selling some lab animals at the market on the side to make extra money, or maybe they just didn't follow proper procedure -- but there's no doubt in my mind that it came from a lab. Any "geneticist" worth their salt would come to the same conclusion given the data.

Why you and other people are trying so hard to refute reality boggles my mind.

>>14959400
>but there's no doubt in my mind that it came from a lab
Well yeah, given the fact that the creators of the virus all admit it was man-made, and a splicing of HIV virus with corona viruses, in an attempt to make an "airborned HIV" strain for bio-weapons corporations. >>14949044

>>14959352
>Wuhan lab genetically engineered to be airborne aids
Correct. Some of the "vaccines" were based on the HIV virus also, and gave almost a million people in Australia/NZ HIV after receiving them.
Public uproar caused them to pull those "vaccines" off the market.

"Come get the "safe and effective" government approved vaccine! As a bonus, get HIV in the process!"

>>14959400
An accident? Based on what? There is plenty of rope for everybody, no need to save em.

>>14959084
see, more proof it is impossible to happen outside of medical professionals.

People who say they know more than one person who died from covid are liars and scum of the earth. Less than 50,000 people died of covid-19 in the USA. The odds of knowing even one person is rare.

>>14959352
>Wuhan lab genetically engineered to be airborne aids

>>14959554
>splicing of HIV virus with corona viruses
>>14959569
>Some of the "vaccines" were based on the HIV virus

Seems to be a pattern.

Also, Anthony Fauci ( the one in charge of the creation of the Wuhan Lab, along with Harvard University, Bill Gates, and Obama Administration) was working on HIV/AIDS "vaccines" in the 1980s and millions died from the "cures" then also.

I trust the US Govt. 100% and fully back them. You chuds should as well.

>>14948908
Disinfo shills want to focus on crazy vaccine conspiracies and qanon shit,

>>14953543
What if COVID was real and these companies saw an opportunity to make a shit ton of money from people fear?
>It really may just be companies being opportunistic and not making COVID from the start.
>Still not taking a Vax that has less than 5 years of study and research and isn't just dead cells for my body to learn from lmao.

>>14960031
>Disinfo shills, AKA glowie .Gov shills, want to focus on crazy vaccine conspiracies and qanon shit,
Improved it for you.

>>14960056
Sure they used it to profit. But it was also planned and in the works, so they could steal many elections in several countries, plus just good ole political/government power-grabs.