/sci/ - Science & Math

First for Zubrin

>>14883721
FTS Archive
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KCJBL632oieD1r6JOh_5Eg9NTcf_-hH8?usp=sharing

>>14883727

second for Tom Mueller

fifth for jim bridenstine

Ok /sfg/ if, hypothetically, you were an attractive young heterosexual woman would you try to get Elon Musk to impregnate you?

What is the solution to raptors blasting away paint on the OLM legs and stairway?

Re-paint them after every launch?
Hope the water deluge soaks up the energy?

>>14883721
7/10 for OP

So it's established we have kinetic topedoes, we can just mount 20 of these in a starship with panels and an ion engine taped to them for an orbital defense boat

>>14883572
This makes me really happy. There’s been so much trouble getting Vulcan launched that progress is exciting. Even if it isn’t reusable I’m still looking forward to the first two missions.

>>14883800
What exactly are we planning to use torpedoes against?

>>14883814
Asteroids or maybe Ayys when they finally grow a pair and send an invasion force

>>14883811
It makes me more hopeful for Blue Origin overall. Once they have the BE-4 out of development and into production they'll have the funds and attention to get back to their other projects.

>>14883811
>>14883835
I hope BO goes under; what the fuck is this gay revisionist shit you two are pulling

>>14883835
Agreed, and much needed because they’re spread super thinly now. I’m guessing they’ll put in for another Blue Moon-based lander award as well.

I haven’t been following production very closely. Does it seem likely that they’ll be able to produce enough engines per year for both ULA and New Glenn?

>>14883842
Same. Fuck Blorgina, I hope they never make it to orbit. The US space industry doesn't need another big, slow, greedy, underperforming oldspace company.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-PorL-v7YA

kino

>>14883814
China.

>>14883852
Orbiter makes it look so easy

>>14883848
There hasn't been all that much to follow. They've made some big investments in their Huntsville engine factory and doubled the number of people on payroll but there haven't been any real updates for months. They've claimed that they're going to be able to produce 42 engines a year but that's always sounded wildly optimistic in terms of both number produced and number demanded. New Glenn still needs a lot of work before it gets any engines allocated to it and Vulcan is extremely sparse on payloads until Amazon actually starts building Kuiper production satellites.

So I'd actually say they'll probably be able to able to meet demand, even if that's damning them with faint praise.

>>14883473
https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1575217001215164424
>Astra $ASTR says the terms of its launch agreement with NASA for the TROPICS missions were modified, to instead "allow for the future launch of comparable scientific payloads" on the company's in-development Rocket 4.0.
>In a filing, Astra adds that "NASA announced today that it will rebid the launch services for the TROPICS mission under the Venture Class Acquisition of Dedicated and Rideshare (VADR) IDIQ."
Nope, TROPICS on Astra is dead, and they're trying to hide it. Astranon was right again.

>>14883850
Bezos was cool back when he drove that old honda despite having $10 bil. Now he has no hope. At least for Doo Origin

how long until high thrust non-combustion engines that can achieve meaningful fractions of the speed of light on demand repeatedly? The pace program has been running on ww2 rocket technology with no improvements in several generations.

>>14883907
Pray that paper from the other thread turns out to work even a fraction as well as the author claimed

continue to pray to Ian.
concentrate on the VAB.
we can end SLS here. we can end SLS for all time.

>>14883914
Give it to me straight how much of a meme is ultra dense hydrogen? 0-10, 0 being metallic “never going to be practical” hydrogen

>>14883914
>Pray that paper from the other thread
??

>>14883921
learn physics retard

>>14883892
I never had to make shit up, the reality was wild enough.

>>14883752

>>14883921

>>14883919
The VAB is too strong.

>>14883938
>30 year gross space product projection is 7.5% annual growth
>barely outpaces inflation
I fucking hate oldspace so much bros

>>14883954
That's what happens when you need constant destruction of boosters to turn a profit.

>>14883938
>expendable launch vehicles copy/paste
nice edit

>>14883938
>15 years until propellant depots
>30 years until asteroid exploitation

Christ, this is grim.

>>14883979
I sometimes wonder how would spaceflight be today if it weren't for SpaceX and this wave of newspace companies that appeared after them. Imagine only oldspace and the heritage grifters in the picture. Unironically speaking, I don't think we'd have a Mars manned landing before 2100 in that case.

>>14883800
>kinetic torpedoes propelled by an ion engine
The core advantage of ion engines is that they typically have very high specific impulse which allows you to move a lot of mass with little propellant or perform high delta-v maneuvers, but it's at the expense of acceleration. Spacecraft using them would make for very good kinetic impactors for asteroid defense but poor kinetic weapons for intermediate range warfare or ballistic missile defense, which is often suggested for Starlink. Allow me to make a few quick and dirty assumptions and kindly point out any mistakes.

Torpedo full mass: 600 kg
Torpedo dry mass: 500 kg
Power 200 kW (very light thin-film panel unfurled from around torpedo, alpha 1 kg/kW)
Thrust/power: 200 mN/kW
Thrust: 40 Newtons
Isp: 1000
Delta-v: 1,800 m/s

So the Isp was gutted to aid acceleration, but how quick is it? It would accelerate at only 0.066 m/s, the full burn would take 7.5 hours. The Oberth effect is reduced since it can't do impulsive burns and if it was in LEO the panel would be blocked from sunlight part of the time. Clearly it would be far better to spam chemical torpedoes

>>14883938
there’s no such thing as commercial research

>>14884000
>he posted on the Internet

>>14883938
The lack of ambition is laughable. Again, thank goodness Musk was born.

>>14884009
cute

Good morning. I just read the replies to the spacex dart tweet
I hate earthers

>>14883997
It's too depressing to consider. We're living in a golden age.

>>14884038
STARVING KIDS
NOOO

Kill vehicles are the space version of mutually assured destruction, they'd be just too damn hard to protect against. A 1,000 kg mass impacting at 5,000 m/s has the equivalent energy of three tonnes of TNT.

>>14884038
I honestly think some of them thought the collision was an accident, because that's the only way the tweet could be construed as insulting.

>>14884038
>anti-musk retards: noooo spacex won't stop launching satellites, someone stop them, think of the astronomerinos, kessler syndrome reee
>also, anti-musk retards: hehe spacex rockets always fail and explode lol
kek

>>14884053
just have a bunch of inflatables, they’re debris proof
(whipple shielding is gay!)

>>14884055
Ding ding ding, it's a retard filter. It could also be their perspective of the world is permanently damaged and anything Elon or his companies do, regardless of context or reality, must de facto be done with malice. Everything they see is skewed to fit that premise

>>14884061
both can be true

>>14884067
How can you fill the night sky with thousands of satellites without being able to get to orbit?

>>14884076
fill the day sky instead

>>14883540
i hate this so i fixed it

>>14884079
astra bros...

>>14884080
11 kg is more than 0 kg. Do you see Blue Origin on that list? How about Firefly or Northrup Grumman?

>>14884053
I just realized that the Space Shuttle was the first generation of space fighter.
>satellite snatch and grab
>space station boarding actions
>high cross range for orbital maneuverability and flexible return
The last one alone drives the chinks crazy about the X-37B, which is a prototype for a second generation space fighter. A third generation space fighter would meet or exceed all of the Space Shuttle's capabilities plus have lasers and autocannons for ranged combat, and a much better OMS.
>why an autocannon?
Guns are kinetic kill vehicles you can't jam, laser-kill, mirror, or shield against with any near future spacecraft design.

>>14884087
idk, mr gunnerson

>>14884090
Yeah. There's a reason the Air Force was the main proponent of it, and why they're messing around with the X-37B.

>>14884090
>>14884095
How hard would it be to make a space fighter that fits into a Falcon 9 or Starship bay and just engages in tomfoolery.

>>14884100
That is literally what the X-37B is. For a manned version you'd want a bigger Dream Chaser that sits on top without a fairing.

>>14884106
>That is literally what the X-37B is
you can literally fit fifty of them in the starship payload bay

>>14884090
We can go back even further

feeling rather silly tonight lads. I’ve got a few photos worth sharing

>>14884109
You'd be better off making a bigger one with a single RVac that fills the payload bay and can tank up from Starship depots. Starship itself is not a spaceplane and so can't do the crossrange shenanigans.

>>14884090
The X-37B isn't a space fighter. It's a long duration testing platform for technology that's going to go into the next generation of spy satellites.

Before the shuttle retired in 2011 the Air Force / NRO could just launch a test satellite normally and then use the shuttle to bring it back after a few years for examination. After Columbia burned up all of the remaining shuttle flights were earmarked for finishing construction of the ISS, which meant that the only place long duration testing could occur was on the station itself. The ISS was filled with Russians and the only way to get cargo back was via Soyuz which only landed in Russian-friendly territory. The Pentagon wasn't going to let their fancy new toys get peeked at by some filthy reds, so an alternative had to be found, and as it happens the X-37 program was transferred from NASA to the Air Force in 2004, exactly one year after Columbia.

There's also no need for lasers'n'autocannons on a spaceplane. The military already as asat weapons and they work just fine without being launched off of something with wings.

>>14884115
i-is that…. big apollo???

>>14884090
Note that China has their own secretive spaceplane that they have not even shown pictures of.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_reusable_experimental_spacecraft

>>14884090
I think a steel plate whipple shield could protect against an autocannon, for example the M4 which has a muzzle velocity of only 610 m/s and in an odd coincidence a projectile mass of 610 g, which would impact at 0.11 MJ if my math is right. The same projectile impacting at 15,000 m/s like if it was a retrograde vs prograde collision or something would be 68 MJ. Obviously you could greatly improve on the M4 but I just don't see a case for short range space warfare with low mass projectiles that cannot be maneuvered, those ships would be taken out long before they could get in range.

https://www.universetoday.com/138631/spacecraft-shields-will-need-tough-heres-aluminum-bullet-shattering-shield-7-km-s/

>>14884112
I love the Navaho but it wasn't even capable of 2km/s or reaching the Karman line. Its heritage is actually more in the tail/wing geometry of the F-22 and F-35.

>>14883750
Stainless steel?

>>14884121
>projectile mass of 610 g
My bad, that was the shell. The AP shot would be 750 g. I'm not a /k/fag so this is all dutch to me.

>>14884120
Spoiler alert: it's an X-37B

>>14884117
>It's a long duration testing platform for technology that's going to go into the next generation of spy satellites.
Since surveillance is one of the most important military aspects of space right now, a space plane capable of deploying satellites at specific orbits and altering its own orbit to avoid detection (both of which the X-37 has done) is a space fighter.
>The military already as asat weapons and they work just fine without being launched off of something with wings.
True, but being able to launch weapons from space has major potential and I would expect them to take the idea seriously, even if the conclusion is to wait 30 years before mentioning the idea again.

>>14884123
It’s okay I thought of something that goes even further back

>>14884130
There's also the possibility of sneak attacks.
>spaceplane does crossrange maneuver where China can't see
>fires cannon burst at Chinese satellite
>do another crossrange maneuver on next pass into Chinese blind spot
>impact with Chinese satellite
>it stops working for no visible reason
This gets very expensive very quickly for China if we have a fleet of spaceplanes and they're stuck on expendable launch vehicles.

Blue Origin pisses me off. It would have been so based if they operated like a second SpaceX, America would be unstoppable. Instead we got a wet fart

>>14884079
Once again proving there is no such thing as "newspace"
There is SpaceX, and everyone else

>>14883749
No, I would be trying to fuck my cute bisexual coworker girl who is currently on a break from her lesbian gf

>>14883749
I would probably get two dildos and dp myself

>>14883750
Simply do not give a shit about some paint

>>14884149
As the (boca chica) beatles say, let it be

>>14883921
1

>>14883975
This edit is like 3 years old minimum

>>14884000
BELL LABS

>>14884117
>The military already as asat weapons
This is outside of what you were replying to but I don't think ASATs are an adequate replacement for having weapons in orbit, particularly weapons on the edge of the gravity well which would be very hard to reach by ASATs in a single launch without them refueling and you would have a lot of time to detect it. In such an orbit lowering the perigee to hit Earth cost little delta-v and you have much more potential energy.

>>14884144
Jeff is too busy trying to disrupt the yacht industry... which Musk accidentally did with his Starlink side project.

>>14884130
There are no stealth satellites nor stealth-deployed satellites. There are only satellites that we don't officially know the purpose of. The X-37 is not a space fighter. There is no purpose for nor desire to create a space fighter. Deploying conventional weapons into orbit is technically legal under Outer Space Treaty but is a politically horrible idea.

>>14884053
Just dodge retard

>>14884053
>retard never heard of evasive maneuvers

>>14884090
Shuttle was an indefensible piece of shit, and a retard

>>14884121
>>14884128
Lower velocities mean that whipple shields don't work. A whipple shield relies on the energy released being extreme enough to vaporize the projectile when it hits the outer layer, and for this cloud of vapor to expand enough to disperse its remaining energy across a wide area of hull, preventing penetration. A slow bullet would just go through.

>>14884161
>>14884164
>bait

>>14884144
What's the difference? Style, intellect, ethos, attitude, drive, good bs detector, vision?

Doesnt Elon have enough money he can just start SpaceX 2 and
>operated like a second SpaceX

Elon Musk has so much money I geuss the annoyance is that he can not just buy a bunch of existing buildings to build starships but get the buildings built.

Otherwize how many starships could Elon build from his back pocket before only having 20 billion to his name

Is NASA going to do a Stream for Juno's Europa flyby or they are just going to dump the images on their site after they get them?

>>14884159
>his Starlink side project
LMAO the absolute state of muskrats.
Reminder that SpaceX is DEEP in the red due to this little side project.
Remember that email Elon sent Christmas last year?
How is the Starship launch cadence they so direly need coming along?

>>14884165
topkek

>>14884160
>https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/07/23/former-secaf-explains-how-secret-x-37-space-plane-throws-enemies.html
First off, I don't think we have the same definition of "space fighter." I don't mean an F-22 in orbit but rather any space craft that serves military purposes and can maneuver significantly while in orbit, which is admittedly quite broad. That article makes it pretty clear that it was designed with some military goal in mind and it fits my definition.
>There are no stealth satellites nor stealth-deployed satellites
Firstly, if they do exist then we would not know about them. Secondly, their existence right now is less important than the ability of a military to deploy them in a wartime scenario. Here's an article from a Chinese news source complaining that the X-37 threatens Chinese satellites and that the US was very secretive about the satellites it deployed: https://archive [dot] ph/uacKO
>Deploying conventional weapons into orbit is technically legal under Outer Space Treaty but is a politically horrible idea.
Yes, but if those weapons suddenly have a real purpose then the Outer Space Treaty will be the least of our concerns, which means that having the capability of deploying them to orbit is absolutely important.

>>14884179
>Remember that email Elon sent Christmas last year?
yeah, it was a nothingburger

>>14884177
the camera was a last second afterthought and there’s no way you could live stream the live data, all it does is shit out the raw data one bit at a time

>>14884179
Can't Musk sell some of his other stock if he really needs more money for SpaceX?

>>14884182
The us has less spook tech than you think. And by that I mean we don’t have meme tech in orbit waiting to be activated.

>>14884185
Not in the sense of streaming the footage, but they could do some ceremonial stream while they wait for the images to arrive or something.

>>14884188
bankrolling your own project completely out of pocket is a definite sign that it is over

>>14884192
Again it shits out nothing but raw data so unless you want to watch a live screen capture of some JPL intern with photoshop open downloading and converting a bunch of files and then messing with sliders and color pallets it’s not going to happen

>>14884179
Starlink V2 is a massive revenue source to continue and will be used to leap to other projects. For greater expansion. What are you, stupid? We've debated this before and figured out a long time ago that this is the reason why they are rushing to get Starlink V2 in the sky.

>>14884190
A reusable spacecraft capable of maneuvering in orbit and deploying, capturing, and destroying satellites would be very valuable militarily. The Space Shuttle Orbiter and X-37 both fit that bill with varying capabilities. Both programs were primarily supported by the military and the X-37 in particular has become the subject of some scrutiny over its secretive activities. I don't know what you're trying to argue besides semantics right now, but I will concede the semantic point that "space fighter" is a misleading term.

>>14884179
I'm pretty sure he meant the Starlink side project, not that Starlink was a side project.
https://www.starlink.com/maritime
That was obvious in context, but I understand if you need things spelled out a little more clearly than most people.

>>14884200
>Starlink V2 is a massive revenue source
It's actually vaporware at this point.
Again I ask, how is that Starship launch cadence coming along?

>>14884213
>capturing satellites
NTA, but sick of this meme. In peace time it would be an act of war and in war it would be such a low priority target. There is no secret maneuvering in the space around Earth, objects larger than a baseball are easily tracked.

>>14884182
That is a very strange and counterproductive definition of a "space fighter." And yes, it was developed with a purpose in mind: testing satellite technology in a place that wasn't international or public. It's even in the name:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-37
>The Boeing X-37, also known as the Orbital Test Vehicle (OTV), is a reusable robotic spacecraft.

Like I said originally, it exists to test hardware that we couldn't test with the shuttle anymore, nothing fancier than that. It is not a weapons platform of any kind.

Stealth satellites do not exist because of physics. The degree of radar, thermal, and optical camouflage that would be required render the concept complete impractical. You might be able to get away with one, but never all three. The Chinese also say a lot of things. They also lie a lot. The X-37 isn't going to be shooting down their satellites and its not big enough to try abducting any of them.

Deploying weapons into space guarantees that others will seek to do so. You're arguing that we should be creating a self-fulfilling prophesy. The US military doesn't want an escalation of weapons in space. They're quite comfortable with the current level of space militarization because it means they're (mostly) in the lead. It's why they're pushing for a ban on asat weapons after completing the development of their own arsenal.

>>14884236
When the Shuttle was being designed the Soviets were still using film canisters in their spysats. Snatching one of those before it dropped its canister would have retroactively deleted irreplaceable photo intel from the enemy. That's why the Air Force wanted single orbital pass return capability, to avoid the Soviets noticing and shooting the Shuttle down. The Shuttle design we got was like 10% Space Transportation Architecture to 90% Cold War, and NASA was forbidden from revamping the design after Challenger and Columbia because it would have revealed the true intent of the original version.

>>14884251
>Challenger and Columbia because it would have revealed the true intent of the original version
this is nasa shill copium.

>>14884257
>NASA was forbidden from revamping the design after *

>>14884248
>You're arguing that we should be creating a self-fulfilling prophesy
I'm arguing that having secretive test platforms developed by the military might be adapted for military purposes should the need arise. If weapons in space are needed then there's already been a major escalation, which means arguing the point of them wanting to preserve the status quo is a catch-22. That doesn't mean the US military wants to put weapons in space right now, but it means that they are probably thinking about how it might be done if needed.

>>14884144
That wouldn't have been of much use. BO should've been a company that cooperated with SpaceX, using their rockets to launch space habitation systems. Imagine a world where Falcon 9 was used to launch an experimental spin-grav station and then one of Starship's first big contracts was to launch a proper spin-grav station in Earth orbit. Obviously in this alternate timeline Bezos and BO are better than in our timeline and can reasonably be expected to do better and more sensible things. Imagine an extended Artemis program that contracts SpaceX to get to and from the Moon and deliver Blue Origin-made habitats to set up a sprawling Lunar outpost.
>>14884176
I think someone once said that Elon wants to colonize space and Bezos wants to be the guy who colonized space.

>>14884251
The Shuttle was designed the way it was for the potential launch, retrieval, or servicing of the film-using KH-9 spy satellites or their hypothetical replacements. Single pass capability was never considered for use against Soviet hardware, because the Soviets would notice and then the cold war would get a lot worse for everyone.

NASA was forbidden from changing the design because the first version cost $50 billion to develop and the best they could squeeze out of congress after Challenger blew was "slightly safer boosters."

>>14884285
Also Bezos seems to be into the commercial public offering people the opportunity to experience more, down to earth, ambition of space, whereas Elon has a manifest sci fi to sci fact destiny to colonize Mars

>>14884213
Maybe you’re confused because you’re certainly arguing with more than one anon right now. I’m not so much trying to argue against your “space fighter” idea. Rather I’m confused in general as to what you’re trying to say.
You keep using the phrase “maneuver in orbit” but literally everything since Mercury has been able to do that. Capturing satellites certainly was on the table in the shuttle design (and they did it with US satellites) but it was apparent to everyone that it was a stupid fear (see: the buran flying twice and then being cancelled). And China complaining about the X-37 doesn’t point at it being spook tech, it just points at China being annoyed in general that there is a “hostile” military testing vehicle capable of long duration testing doing stuff in similar space they could occupy. The US would be vocal about a Chinese equivalent doing the same thing (which by the way they are) even if the chink plane did absolutely nothing in orbit other than existed just to show technical capability, which is more than likely all it is doing
Space warfare is not currently happening and if the russians or chinese showed up tomorrow with some orbital fighter device that was capable of striking US targets it would simply get blown out of the sky by a surface for air launched missile

I got KSP in my captcha. Post Kerbaly rockets.

>>14884307
>if the russians or chinese showed up tomorrow with some orbital fighter device that was capable of striking US targets it would simply get blown out of the sky by a surface for air launched missile
I should add: it would get blown out of the sky if it actually fired at targets. Meant to say that

>>14884309

>>14884309

>>14884309
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>>14884309
last one, I have way too many I can think of. I’d be posting all night

>>14884332
Ugh pure kino

>>14884142
Nothing gives spaceplanes inherent advantages in cross range maneuvers in orbit, it's in the cross range compared to the point of reentry because you can use the lifting body to maneuver in atmosphere

>>14884341
Now this one actually looks like a Kerbal rocket lmao
>The small SRB side boosters
>The tilted nose cone
>The slighly larger SRB for the core
>The larger, disproportionate fairing to fit the rover wheels

>>14884355
Kek i’m pretty sure this is deadass just Kerbal with mods. Chyna has used KSP on more than one occasion to whip up concept videos

I didn’t realize it was midnight. Goodnight sirs may you dream of hypergolics

Wow, it's fucking over. The fallen leaves will take months to rake up, no way SLS can possibly launch this year.

>>14884360
Source?

>>14884179
Lol how come my bait doesnt get this many yous

HOLY FUCK THE EPICENTER IS MOVING OVER CAPE CANAVERAL

>>14884448
GOD
HATES
FAG
ROCKETS

>>14884448
EXPENDABLE VABS

>>14884448
14km/~9miles from the epicenter to the VAB

>>14884448
good riddance

>>14884448
Cursed Rogget

Phew, don’t worry guys https://youtu.be/nFM1X0o2pnc

Sfg is asleep

>>14884448
so I guess some /sfg/ anon has access to HAARP, huh?

Reminder that large scale SRBs are even worse than their ISP might suggest.
For SLS it's like you're strapping on two pressure-fed Falcon 9 sized rockets.
If an engineer wouldn't ever consider building a pressure fed Falcon 9, then he shouldn't be building Space Shuttle SRBs either.

>>14884468
Nasa isn't the one we should be worried about spacex still has all of its equipment out in the open and under construction. I wonder how many weeks this will set them back

>>14884588
What do you mean? They probably cleaned up everything movable.

>>14884588
Boca Chica is in Texas little nigga

>>14883919
I will focus intently on the sight of a beleaguered VAB now in bed while i try to sleep.

>>14884179

>>14883929
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0094576520303179
>Interstellar probes and future interstellar travel will require relativistic rockets. The problem is that such a rocket drive requires that the rocket exhaust velocity from the fuel also is relativistic, since otherwise the rocket thrust is much too small: the total mass of the fuel will be so large that relativistic speeds cannot be reached in a reasonable time and the total mass of the rocket will be extremely large. Until now, no technology was known that would be able to give rocket exhaust at relativistic speed and a high enough momentum for relativistic travel. Here, a useful method for relativistic interstellar propulsion is described for the first time. This method gives exhaust at relativistic speeds and is a factor of at least one hundred better than normal fusion due to its increased energy output from the annihilation-like meson formation processes. It uses ordinary hydrogen as fuel so a return travel is possible after refuelling almost anywhere in space. The central nuclear processes have been studied in around 20 publications, which is considered to be sufficient evidence for the general properties. The nuclear processes give relativistic particles (kaons, pions and muons) by laser-induced annihilation-like processes in ultra-dense hydrogen H(0). The kinetic energy of the mesons is 1300 times larger than the energy of the laser pulse. This method is superior to the laser-sail method by several orders of magnitude and is suitable for large spaceships.

>>14884649
>ultra-dense hydrogen H(0)
Nigger stop spamming this shit in every other thread and use your time to develop the materials or market for materials necessary to feasibly produce a storage solution for this meme tech. Faggot.

R A P I D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO5Uu6xA3N8

>>14884658
>stop spamming this shit in every other thread
this link has been posted only once before as an archive check will show. perhaps you are hallucinating

>>14884665
Sorry I am hallicinating

>>14884663
Was going to post this just now.

Absolute kino

>>14884580
The point of the SRBs is to provides loads of THROOOOST to get the rocket off the pad. A single stick provides more thrust than two Falcon 9s.

Also in Googling this, a single F1 is equivalent to a Falcon 9, which is nuts.

>>14884580
SRBs are a easy way to enhance performance with minimal mass. Higher end chemical rockets are now matching them in terms of raw thrust (especially raptor) but they aren’t useless

>>14884928
*matching them in terms of thrust/area

>>14884351
If your perigee is in the high atmosphere, you can maneuver in atmosphere using the lifting body to alter inclination of the orbit before returning back to space.

>>14884923
Meanwhile, seven Raptor 2s is even more thrust than an SLS SRB

MS-21 landed in khazakstan

https://twitter.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1575443403743154176
>A frog just photobombed our view of the Vehicle Assembly Building as the center of now Tropical Storm Ian is passing directly over Kennedy Space Center.
We need a Pepe for this.

When will they downlink Europa image from Juno fly-by?
picrelated what we supposed to see simulated in SpaceEngine

>>14885002
instead of saying something reddit like “we need a pepe for this,” simply draw the pepe yourself and post

>>14885007
That's too difficult.

>>14884379
>no way SLS can possibly launch this year
Maybe they can launch on a cold January morning and have an SRB o-ring failure.

>>14884605
sleep tight, anon

>>14884952
The idea of atmospheric plane changes is a poor excuse to try to shoehorn in spaceplanes when they don't belong on Earth. Lowering perigee may be cheap but any craft doing this would slow down significantly in the atmosphere, then has to reboost to where the action is, and it has the dry mass penalty of a spaceplane so it's inherently more delta-v limited. If you want to do large plane changes get into an orbit like GTO where they're cheap or use a depot to refuel
>but the X-37B does it
It doesn't.
>There is no evidence for sudden, significant changes in the orbital plane
https://sattrackcam.blogspot.com/2019/07/x-37b-fact-and-fiction.html

>>14885007
I am currently occupied in writing a bullshit assignment about some commie crap topic that is due today + a slide presentation.

>>14884663
>have you tried turning it off and on again?
Yes.

>>14885004
whenever the perijove 45 data is dumped so anytime around tomorrow to October 8

>>14884964
Didn't they try and have a revolution recently? Kazakhstan, that is.

>>14885004
>>14885037
It was scheduled for 9:36 UTC so it happened 3 hours ago.
Right now on the DSN, Canberra is communicating with Juno, and communication with Goldstone just stopped now.
Now it's just a matter of waiting. I have no idea how fast the data transfer is.
I hope everything went well with JunoCam, since this is our only chance with it and it will take a decade for other probes to arrive.

>>14885048
Nah people were just pissed about gas prices and it got out of hand. The cabinet ended up resigning. It’s a strange country. They said they will refuse to acknowledge the results of the ukraine annexation, but at the same time they called in russian troops for help during the fuel riots.

what are those anyway
like someone drew || on Europa

>>14885053
It's based realpolitik

>use Russian troops to save the regime
>immediately pivot to China because your populations hates Russians and you want to keep the peace over the long term

>>14885002
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

or those

resolution we have of Europa is horrible
Check here
https://www.google.com/maps/space/europa/

>>14885060
that's a picture of fibreglass

>>14885076
imagine shrinking in size where they are like mountain ranges compared to you and it takes you a few days to cross 1mm of the surface

>>14883219
kek

>>14885051
200kb/s for the big dish in Canberra right now. Should only take a couple of seconds to download an image

>>14885066
highest res pic ever taken

>>14885182
Goodbye SLS, goodbye 39B

I want to see what the surface of europa looks like. It must be weird af

>>14885193
Nah, this is highest res pic, don't trust uninformed twitterinos

>>14885226
>this is highest res pic
debunked
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/pia01180-highest-resolution-image-of-europa

>>14885215
it might have ice spice all over the surface, Clipper will find out, knowing this is critical for a lander

>>14885232
Nasa claims the same about several images, so maybe NASA was hiring incompetent niggers from slums earlier than i assumed

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/pia21431-highest-resolution-europa-image-mosaic-from-galileo

>>14885060
There’s a lot of features on the surface that don’t have a definite answer as to how they form (most planetary scientists just do some hand waving and blame flowing subsurface water ice slush but don’t actually know the exact mechanism) but what you posted looks like a graben to me. Just google “graben geology” you’ll get what I’m saying

>>14885241
you will find the image I posted in the very top and right of the mosaic you linked to

I wish they tried and grift a brand new VAB 10 years ago. It would have been shredded by now

>>14885182
>SLS has taken shelter in the VAB
Somebody draw SLS cowering under some cardboard during the lightning storm

>>14885282
it’s literally just sprinkling, I thought hurricanes were supposed to be scary

>>14885290
https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/florida/weather-radar
It's mostly rolling up the east coast by the looks of it, probably won't get more intense than what you see now.

>>14885279
>It would have been shredded by now
Bait? The wind gusts peaked at 46 mph. NASA should be kicking itself for rolling back SLS.

at https://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=trdf1

>>14885282
best I can do

>>14885314
I expected better

>>14883750
Tile them

>>14885314

>>14884549
post mods

2022 - I am forgotten.
http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-091611a.html

>>14885366
made me chuckle

>>14885403
>when linda ham sends u a hanukkah gift

I think it's kinda scary that people are testing huge rocket engines assuming Earth has infinite inertia

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1575500612061474816/photo/1
What is this about?

>>14885484
>a new science study with industry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis
they published some contrived lies in order to justify getting more free money from the government

>>14883721
FUCK YEAH ROCKETS TO NO FUCKING WHERE

>>14885466
>I think it's kinda scary that mosquitos fly near me assuming I have infinite inertia

>>14885542
triggered

>>14885466
LOL, fucking Hunga Tonga boomba exerted more directional force on the Earth when it erupted last year than all static rocket engine tests combined

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunga_Tonga%E2%80%93Hunga_Ha%CA%BBapai
>The energy released by the eruption is estimated to have been equivalent to 61 Megatons (of TNT),[62] more powerful than the largest nuclear bomb ever detonated.

>>14885484
lmao Eric being dramatic as usual
Its about the DART mission and change in orbital period (L2 being "useful" for once)

>>14885559
kapow!

>Hunga Tonga eruption put over 50B kilograms of water into the stratosphere

>>14885559
>>14885466
Both the eruption and the rocket tests could not have changed Earth's momentum since the matter ejected eventually slowed down and came to a halt on Earth. Space flights on the other hand do change Earth's momentum (especially interplanetary flights) and should be heavily regulated by the UN

what the fuck
https://youtu.be/UQWOkoAxj6M

>>14885569
Hi, this is Chris B. I know who you are (I can see who viewed which thread). Please remove this post or we will have to block your lifetime membership account.

>>14885578
But did it affect the beetles?

>>14885579
Its fine the momentum is cancelled out when rockets and space debris re-enter

>>14885584
Hi, this is Chris G. I know who you are (I can see who viewed which thread). Please remove this post or we will have to block you're lifetime membership account.

>>14885586
Are you sure the exhaust from thrusting in GEO doesn't reach escape velocity?

Eyewall

>>14885604
Are the river rocks OK? We should probably replace them, right? I mean, just to be sure.

>>14885484
jared is funding a space station with spacex https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1575524865922125825

COMMERCIAL HUBBLE REPAIR

3.5 hours until the announcement

looking forward to the flat earther's explanation of how hundreds of telescopes picked up the same explosion at the same time.

>>14885656
what explosion

>>14885661
DART

>>14885661
>>14885656

>>14885667
>not even the same color
lmao. they really expect us to believe it

the US is so far ahead of everyone else in spaceflight it's ridiculous

>>14885656
Don't bother with them, if I learned anything from interacting with them and the moon landing hoaxers on /pol/ (who believe in heliocentrism and spaceflight but not the moon landings) its that any argument or evidence you present to them will be forgotten about the next thread where they will pretend like it never happened and you see the same flags spamming the same /x/ tier shit, gradually you begin to hate them.

ISAACMAN CANNOT BE STOPPED

>>14885645
It’s either this, or something to do with hubble.

Private individuals funding science missions is my wet dream

>>14885682
i misread when i thought it was for a space station, more likely it's for servicing missions. jared might be footing the bill for a demo service mission and if it pans out then nasa could do their own commercial service program based on it.

>>14885645
Oldspace fears the dumbo-eared CHAD

COMMERCIAL

HUUBLE

SREVICVIGNG

Servicing Hubble is literally pulling out a shelf and putting another one in

>>14885693
i imagine nasa could build their future space telescopes to be serviceable so you could do all kinds of upgrades on them

what are the chances SpaceX' EVA suit is couterpressure

>>14885684
Your privatelly funded telescope delivered you these two images, how do you extract profit from this blurry collection of pixels?

So you’re telling me between Dragon and FH, spacex can do literally everything the entire space shuttle program was designed for at 1/10000000th the cost and a million times the launch frequency?
Lmaoooo

>>14885700
>jwst
>private

>>14885699
Zero that would take a retarded amount of R&D

>>14885699
there are 100% chances that one or more people will die in SpaceX EVA suits on the first decompression, because we haven't seen them testing anything in the actual vacuum chamber.

>>14885701
Love the fact that as soon as the capability arises NASA is interested in using it, doesn't matter if its space shuttle or private capsule, lets put it to work, waste no opportunity

>>14885700
major telescopes are shared between dozens/hundreds of research teams. just make them pay up to use it.

>>14885702
No, dummy, imagine you privatelly funded your own telescope, and all that it produces are blurry collection of pixels. What is your business model? How do you get money out of this? is this like just your net-loss of capital, that you earn on the other venture, and you fund this just because it gives you some humanitarian satisfaction?

Rocket lab has a Venus mission

>>14885645
I'm waiting for Berger to acknowledge that Ian was a nothingburger and it wouldn't impacted SLS if it was left on the pad or does his weather coverage suddenly disappear after the hype dies off?

>>14885699
couterpressure suits are a meme, they don't work in real life, but they are good at fooling sci-fi kiddies, who like to imagine seeing boobs through the suit on Mars, thinking its so sexy,

>>14885714
Kek Berger has a hard choice to make here

>>14885710
there are companies like leolabs and exoanalytics that use telescopes to monitor space traffic. they make lots of money.

>>14885712
its just a meme , completelly unsexy "mission" with 2 weakest sensors which are redundant and won't produce any science
same garbage satanic waste of money as the CAPSTONE

>>14885721
Based take

>>14885720
only because they recieve Government millitary money for creating trafic maps of potential millitary satellites, but its not fucking science. There is almost nothing profitable in space other than sucking the cock of the BIG MILLITARY GOVERNMENT DADDY

>>14885710
that is the whole point
when you buy an expensive car, what is the profit?

>>14885719
Yes, he put himself in a tough spot when he wrote an article with the headline "As a meteorologist, Hurricane Ian is the nightmare storm I worry about most"

>>14885726
Precisely why I made this post >>14884000. When it comes to space, no company is going to front a bunch of their own money to go explore mars or the moon just because. It would be a huge money sink. The only way to generate even a fraction of profit would be to then lock all of your science behind a paywall, but the general public would reeee

>>14885727
>when you buy an expensive car
social credit points in the company of people who are also have excess of money, expensive car can impress chicks, chicks also give you social credit standing, sometimes you can mine through dozens of empty chicks and find dumb enough to marry you and pop you kids BEFORE divorcing you and claiming half of your money, its all social games

>>14885734
Disgusting

>>14885733
did you know that many antartic missions were privately funded?
Why does victor vescovo visit challenger deep every month?
Why did yuri millner fund the venus mission?

>>14885732
Expect this type of response in the next few days:
>What a storm! Ian has passed Florida with a grand finale right through the heart of the space coast. Still no word on when NASA will get back to “business as usual,” but I hear the SLS rocket is doing good inside the VAB. Glad they rolled it in
or some similar empty tweet lol

>>14885738
I said commercial company, as in trying to use it as a business model. Plenty of people voyage on their own money. See: Polaris, Dearmoon, private people going to the ISS

>>14885721
Shittake

>>14885746
i still think Polaris is just Mossad trying to infiltrate SpaceX and learn as many secrets of company as possible from the inside, so that they could either replicate some of its technologies, or manipulate the company, or take it over in the future.

>>14885748
hey, nigger, heard any update on that shitbox called CAPSTONE? Have it stopped spinning? That would be a good trick, you know.

>>14885721
it has a methane snesor

>>14885591
Hi chris, big fan!!!!

>>14885752
Who the fuck cares about methane, the idea that its an unambiguous biosignature is outdated, we now know god knows how many ways to DEBUUUNK the biological source hypothesis even if you read and measure methane on Venus. And you know what i mean by "redundant"? Read about how many missions go to Venus in the coming 10 years, its 2 from NASA, 1 from ISRO, 1 from ESA. They all have their own spectrographs.

>>14885733
science patents, just charge people who commercialize your research

>>14885752
>>14885762
phosphine not methane

>>14885762
it has a phosphene sensor

>>14885681
JWST SERVICING MISSION

>>14885769
>>14885767
Same thing, its not an unambiguous biosignature. it was considered one because a very small number of people thought about the problem, but when they supposedly detected it on Venus the pool of scientific brains who started thinking about this idea expanded enormously and they concluded that even if it was phosphene, there are ways it can be produced naturally on Venus. Its all about the number of brains thinking about the problem, i bet there aren't any unambiguous biosignature or technosignature in existance that we couldn't explain as something occuring naturally. Even if we detect a fucking laser beam directed straight at Earth, beaming binary code, i bet we still could explain it as some quirky neutron star revolving around black hole in a cloud of some exotic fart gas, and after that we would rule out that this is something technological.

>>14885700
>astrocuckolds already sweating, seething, sneeding massively
AHAHAHA YOU READY TO LOSE YOUR JOB?

>>14885681
pretty based

>>14885767
>>14885769
Phosphophyllite sensor*

>>14885721
And yet, it discovered alien life for the first time. Remind me why we still pay scientists?

>>14885749
Is this supposed to be a joke? I can’t tell lol. If Mossad wanting any info about spacex tech (why they would want it I don’t know) all they would have to do is ask the US gooberment

>>14885749
Did you just come from /pol/ or something

>>14885749
Is Isaacman Jewish?

>>14885798
You bet your ass he is, one of many based space Israelites

zubrin worship is cringe

>>14885809
Based

>>14885809
true, and Elon worship is based

>>14885579
Even a minuscule change can drastically alter the climate

>>14885681
Oh so Polaris 2 is going to involve a cargo starship and a crew dragon rendezvous with Hubble, where the crew, who already practiced EVA abilities secure the craft into starship, to be brought to a museum. Neat

>>14885718
You don't need counter pressure suit for that

>>14885809
i used to read zubrin, but recently i read his twitter and he lost his mind, he is calling for genocide of all Russians and World war 3 basically, he barelly even talks about space or mars anymore, focused solely on this slavwar

https://nitter.hu/defenceu/status/1575485554203967488
Starlink in Ukraine

Also
>Jared Issacman/SpaceX/Polari 2/NASA Science team opportunity

Whats it gonna be?

>>14885832
>how to make feminists seethe with one image

>>14885796
Stormfags from /pol/ ruin everything they touch

in how long is the event

so gay
i was expecting better

>>14885897
that doesnt look like Europa

>>14885901
because they haven't yet put sci-fi sugary blue-red filters on it
they don't want you to see that real Europe is the dead world probably filled with sufluric acid under its ice. Moon Io was shitting on Europa for millions if not billions years, changing its chemistry

>>14885897
>i was expecting better
you should know by now to assume the underwhelming whenever NASA hypes up anything

https://eyes.nasa.gov/apps/solar-system/#/sc_juno?rate=1&time=2022-09-29T09:37:05.081+00:00

NASA Eyes if so much simpler and intuitive to use now wow

>>14884330
how does it not fall backwards? even tesla stabilizers wouldnt provide that much energy

>>14885830
Really?

>>14885933
We can only dream

>>14883938
>graphics with fundamentally flawed concepts
This is why you never progress. Sturdy elastics and electric heat exist. Otherwise that space suit is immobile.

>>14885897
>ok now I'm confused
Was Europa brown all this time?
I know other missions had fucked up cameras (Io isn't that yellow), but this is far from the bright with we've seen so far.

>>14885945
dude, people are coloring it however they want to fit their own interpretation of how it should look like, how they seen it first time when they were kids and saw some image in some scientific magazine.
basically don't trust anyone untill you see it with your eyes

Its ogre, VAB has been destroyed

or this
if you look at coloring - its like different moons, because the color is different, but its just this gay faggot who processes the Raw image who adds his flavour color

more tranny colors coomed and smeared all over the raw image for sci-fi zoomies who have no idea what is real

>>14885897
looks fucking awesome

>>14885949
>>14885951
I just put the RGB channels into an editor without making any change. Which wavelength's does Junocam take the photos? Is there something to be corrected to bring it to human eye RGB?

>>14885959
there's definitely something funny going on with the colors here, near the terminators there's some purple, then green then yellow and brown to the right

>>14885969
no shit see all the photos processed from junocam, it’s all interpretation on behalf of someone behind photoshop. How is /sfg/ just now realizing this, are you all retarded?

I'm confused because Ganymede looked exactly what I was expecting.

>>14884198
Reminder this was posted 16 hours ago IN THIS VERY THREAD
you were warned

>>14885972
Junocam has filters and it can tell color. There have always also been more truthful renderings of the Junocam hata and they do look more dull.

>>14885972
I know retards blow up the saturation and contrast on Jupiter pictures, but I thought it was just a (more or less) basic RGB camera without some weird wavelength choices like the piss yellow green filter from Galileo.

>>14885973
its also wrong, i bet old Ganny has some browns and pitch black. Some of its craters are like wells into darkest oblivion, filled with black goo

>>14885973

>>14885272
That's a hint from God, you need some horizontal velocity to reach orbit, Jeff!
Oh well, at least there's nothing in there.

>>14885959
>no idea what is real
Our eyes are only sensitive to small portion of wave length

From there on, our atmosphere distortion filters out quite a few. The longer range of sunlight already "distorts" color in comparison to sun ray on earth's range. Then on top of that, specialized cameras have filters on top to filter out useless wavelengths and give a clearer view of useful wavelengths that can be studied for useful data gatherings.

Looks like rapid reuse is back on the menu, boys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO5Uu6xA3N8&ab_channel=NASASpaceflight

will the NASA event be streamed

>>14885983
dude, when i date a girl, do i think about - oh, how does she look like in ultraviolet, in infrared and x-ray? or i just fucking check her appearance, face, breasts and hips with my 2 old trusty eyeballs?
i treat planets and moons same as i treat girls - i want to know how they look for my eyes, not for some insectoid scieintific drone with compound lenses who is not me.

>>14885983
the question people are asking is pretty simple, if they were standing there how would Europa look

>>14885990
Contender for stupidest /sfg/ post of all time

>>14885809
Honestly I don't worship him. I just REALLY want to know what he smells like. I had a dream once in 2018 where I was in pasadena and the Mars society convention was happening right there. I could literally go in, have a bite, and there was a good chance i meet dr zubrin himself, in the flesh, chowing on ribs or who knows. the dinners are always lavish i hear. over the wafting of bbq sauce i would get closer and zubrins pungence would probably gradually build until i got right up to him. i imagine it would be overwhelming, the smell of old man hair and sweat and cologne, an almost fatherly smell. like the kind that makes you feel safe and loved. if he saw me i wouldnt even think twice i would just hug him so tight and thank him and sneak one strong wiff from behind his neck. i would thank him for inspiring me and making me the man i am today

>>14885994
dude, maybe you could be more healthy, for example fuck his daughter or son. consentually ofc

>>14885992
It would look different to how you would imagine it would look.

Because 1, you would die in an instant before being able to process any amount of visible light information.

2) Conditions that allow you to "look" at things from earth's environment is not present near Europa, hence it wouldn't look as what you'd think it should.

fuck, turns out zubrin doesn't have kids
but i also learned that he is jewish from early life wiki section
that explains a lot

>>14885983
It's fair is this is about some nebula or research done with non-visible-light/weird filters, but Junocam is supposed to be visible light RGB.
Why has every visible light photo of Europa so far being either bright white or white with red stripes and suddenly we get dirt brown?

>>14886004
See>>14883749 but replace Elon with Zubrin

>>14886003
>you would die in an instant before being able to process any amount of visible light information.
Okay, then what would we see If we were on Callisto looking at Europa through a telescope?

>>14885990
this post is fucking embarrassing

>>14886003
>you would die in an instant before being able to process any amount of visible light information.
Maybe YOU would, pussy.

>>14886005
>suddenly we get dirt brown?

Because there is not much light near Jupiter. People always assume as the habbit that illlumination conditions everywhere are similar to 1AU where Earth is, but Jupiter is fucking far man, its beyond imaginably far away from the Sun, than we care to imagine and Sun there doesn't shine bright. Every photo of Europa is brightened. I hope you people when see Pluto don't actually believe its also similarly bright as its shown on its ridiculous pictures NASA gives us

>>14886016
Brace for sophistry anon, or no reply at all

>>14886023
have you ever seen that voyager photo of uranus corrected for natural lighting? Shit is SO dark hahah

>>14886028
yeah, i imagine
and if we ever land humans on Titan, i bet we couldn't even see 10 meters in front of us without some sort of night vision device. In day time

>>14886032
Until astronauts can suit up and take a walk around the inside of a filled LCH4 tank I don't see much hope for landing men on Titan.

>>14886016
We've need a camera that specifically emulates the conditions on Callisto environmental conditions.

No such techs are made like this today because we're not really interested in what other planetary bodies look like to our eyes that have been adjusted to nearby planetary bodies of the observed body in question.

>>14886036
just send Geordie blokes, they are immune to cold

>>14886038
why not just send some cheap iphone or android phone camera ? harden it for radiation ofc, but not changing anything else

>>14886023
Isn't that just a matter of long exposure?
The thing is that there was no hint of brown in older pictures. I'd expect gray at least.
>>14886038
Well, THIS is the moment processing can be handy. Someone color corrected the bright yellow pictures of Io into something realistic, what can be done here?

>>14886000
im asexual, but i am pedolfactory

>>14885700
wtf, did JWST actually image a transiting exoplanet planet? or is that just mercury

>>14886044
Juno was launched in 2011. The program was put into development in 2005. The technology/camera used on the program was developed in the 90s/early 2000s. The program was developed before smartphones.

First iPhone was sold in 2007 with terrible 2 Mpx camera.

>>14885837
>calling for mere genocide of all Russians
I know. Who could've thought he would turn out to be such a contemptible moderate.

>>14886056
>exoplanet passing between Earth-Sun L2 and the Sun
That's just Mercury.

>>14886060
For me its making every russian immortal and torturing them for eternity

>>14886047
dude, Europa is yellow, because it is bathing in sulfurous shit that IO ejaculates into Jovian orbit. Europa is acid world. Its acid dude, sulfur everywhere, layers and layers of sulfurous acid crystalls all the way down to the liquid acid underneath
if tranny scientists admit it too soon, they won't get money for their missions. When Clipper arrives to Europa, maybe then they will admit to truth.
Th

>>14886067
And how is the acid going to cross all the way into the subsurface ocean?

Imagine if they left SLS out on the pad haha

>>14886070
Europa has tectonics and cryovolcanoes so there's circulation happening.

My guess is that Juno is going way to fast during the Perijoves dues to how it orbits around Jupiter, so it couldn't get a decent exposure time and the images ended up looking dark. I just edit the brightness and contrast to see how they would look.
My other guess is that the yellowish green and violet filters of Galileo made it look less brownish than it actually is.

>>14885856
better them than redditors

>>14886057
The camera was added very late into the construction of the probe and they REALLY didn't want to add it, because NASA is fully of retarded eggheads who don't understand how valuable pictures are.

>>14886038
dude why can't we just read of the rgb values from the Junocam what do cameras see if not color

>>14886084
Standardized RGB is at a standardized set of three light frequencies. We don't know for sure what frequencies the Galileo and Juno cams were unless I'm missing something.

Will my boots dissolve if i stand on Europa due to acid? Or will they start heating the surface ice so fast, i will begin submerging into a slush of icy goo that will begin to burn through my suit

>>14886077
the sun is only 25x less bright on Jupiter than on Earth. so that's like a well lit room and Junocam also has a big lens

>>14886091
About Galileo: https://www.planetary.org/articles/2629

Next stop is Io in December 2023 and February 2024

>>14886091
>We don't know for sure what frequencies the Galileo and Juno cams were unless I'm missing something.
do you really think they don't know what kind of filters they put in those cameras?

>>14886103
i wouldn't be surprised if they don't or just excuse themselves by saying some "mumbo radiation degradation jumbo"

>>14886102
thats gonna be rally wow

>>14886092
its worse than xenomorph blood

>>14886103
>do you really think they don't know what kind of filters they put in those cameras?
I mean we as in anons ITT. Obviously NASA knows.

>>14886083
God i fucking hate them
So much free PR they are losing out on
Everytime they have a rocket launch or probe and all you get is a 3d model it pisses me off

>>14886111
MUUHH MASS MARGIIINSS NOOO MUH DATA EVERYONE KNOWS ONLY THE NUMBERS AND GRAPHS AND CHARTS ARE WHATS IMPORTANT

>>14886083
>>14886111
NASA nerds would land a probe into a planet with alien life for the first time and not put any camera because it would take away the precious way for a radiation measuring equipment.

>>14886111
they really need to make some simple camera that they can just slap on any spacecraft

>>14886116
>>14886114
The stupid part is. If you actually look at the margins they always are way under the max

>the is the extent of our reach in the galaxy

>>14886121
we need to send more random interstellar probes because it is satisfying knowing there are mad-made objects so far away, they will not be disturbed for an eternity

>>14884179
starlink doesn't need to be profitable because it's a DoD project

>>14886126
>because it's a DoD project
No its not
How many times do you need to be told this

>>14886125
This anon gets it

>>14886121
nah it’s about a 150 light year radius shell extending out of the solar system made up of all of our most powerful EM emissions. Granted anything further than like a few light years is probably weak as fuck
>>14886004
Zubrin has a daughter

>>14886129
physical/material extent

>>14886067
Guess what? Life exists in acidic environments on Earth, it's no issue.

>>14886132
Okay then yeah it’s pretty shit, breakthrough starshot now

>>14886092
Neither.

>>14886138
I still find it pretty inspiring though and love this imagery

>announcing our presence to ayys of unknown intent
its like you *wanna* get RKV'd

>>14886143
does alien have pusspuss?

>>14886120
Yeah, and they high-five themselves for coming in so far under the mass budget. They lack self awareness and have an extremely poor grasp of goal-oriented program work. The goal is to get as much science data as possible, and a supporting goal for this is to keep unnecessary mass down. However, engineers confuse the mass limitation goal for their main goal, and the maximum science as the constraint they need to work with. A competent department would go no lower than 2% under their upper mass limit, because any time they shave enough mass off somewhere, they'd use that extra margin to add another instrument. In a world where cellphones have cameras that weigh grams, embedding one of those cameras into a 100 gram block of clear plastic to shield from most non-cosmic radiation is not that big a deal.

>>14886135
Life adapted to those extreme environment after emerging in more gospitable environment
basically it emerged in the comfy zone, but later migrated to more niche and dangerous zones. But if whole Earth was some extreme zone from the begining, then life wouldn't even have a chance to emerge. Same with Europa. It could be colonized by specialized Earth microbes, but it could never be a starting point for emerging biosphere.

It's over.

Are we just going to ignore the fact that the giant camera on Licia cube took this abysmal image

>>14886153
Huh?

>>14886157
this image*

>>14886159
Final flight

>>14886146
you are in for a disappointment

>>14886160
what’s the problem here? It did it’s job and focused on the ejecta plume

>>14886160
>The elder one has been awakened.

>>14886121
>SUN ANUS

>>14886160
It's a cubesat with a low power camera and a low power antenna, anon.

>>14885681
Did this start already? Link?

>spacex hubble boost
eyyyy

>>14886150
Life arose in an environment that would instantly kill well over 99.999% of living organisms on Earth today. Far from "more hospitable", ancient Earth's newly formed oceans would resemble a toxic acidic chemical dump more than they would resemble modern oceans.

>>14886184
booooooring
put a new mirror up there (get the museum one)

This is awesome, spacex approached NASA and said it was interested in doing a reboost. How fucking cool

PRIVATE HUBBLE REBOOST
SHE LIVES

>>14886186
Hubble is still pretty powerful, but more importantly it is neat to see SpaceX approach NASA with an idea that reads like an /sfg/ post out of the blue
There have probably been dozens if not hundreds of “spacex could theoretically do it but I doubt it would ever happen” posts

>no fucking stream

>>14886157
>>14886160
I cannot express my disappointment in these images. They gave me the impression that the photos from the impactor would be low resolution compared to the standoff photos of the impact event itself. Instead the cubesat photos were fucking terrible
>>14886169
>>14886174
Yeah a fucking $5000 DSLR is small and low power too, you don't need to defend the choice to pick shitty optics for this. The images are objectively shitty: overexposed, blurry. Very very disrespectful.

Okay but how the fuck are they going to do this? How does a dragon attach to a telescope

>>14886200
EVA with SpaceX MMUs.

>>14886200
elon scam #97473

>>14886184
Boost it into the Earth's atmosphere for safe disposal

>>14886184
>>14886188
>>14886192
>>14886193
Yet another item to slash off the list of things shuttlefags point to as "capabilities we NEEDED the shuttle for and which made it worth it"

>>14886201
What, they’re gonna just hold on the whole time while Dragon fires it’s engines like some sort of space rodeo?

>>14886200
claw

Berger says “this is better than a costly disposal plan,” what exactly is ‘costly’ about letting a satellite burn up????
>>14886205
for real

>Kathy Leuders implying that NASA really could have used TROPICS right about now
Astra malding

>>14886206
>What, they’re gonna just hold on the whole time while Dragon fires it’s engines like some sort of space rodeo?
Yes, and it's going to be incredibly based.

>>14886206
yes
Alternatively, install struts

>>14886206
Anon, it will be Starship