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So /sci/, do you actually want to get smarter and increase cognition?

Cool, so drop all the "what should I study to be smarter" nonsense. Reading books and accruing information won't do a single thing for you.

What you need to increase is fluid intelligence, this will determine how effective and innovative you are in applying acquired information. Someone with higher fluid intelligence will simply out perform you regardless of how much you know.

Besides, who cares about random factoids and memory recall? Absolutely useless in our day-to-day.

The most effective (by far) scientifically proven method to do this is the dual n back.

On an anecdotal level, after using it for about a month my memory improved immensely, which helped a lot at work.

And I began thinking of novel solutions to problems that I KNOW I wouldn't have thought of before, this was most noticeable at work. It was the "creative" faculty improving I guess. Whatever it was, I noticed it.

>> No.14884583

>>14884582
>>>/x/

>> No.14884584

>>14884582
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/645728

El study ^

>> No.14884585

>>14884584
Try reading actual studies instead of posting pop-soi. DnB is snake oil.

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>>14884585

For sure bro, it's 100% snake oil. No doubt. I mean, all of these studies corroborating each other can't be right. No way man. That's just crazy talk.

>> No.14884596

>>14884594
Man, this board is dead... Where did all you 90 IQ normalniggers even come from? Either way, how about you go read some actual studies instead of posting pop-soi?

>> No.14884608

>>14884582
Those weird memory games dont function like memory usage irl, probably just confuses you

>> No.14884618

>>14884596
Man, every single actual study supports OP...can you not Google anything?

>> No.14884620

>>14884608
It 100% improved my memory in day-to-day irl situations.

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>>14884582
>>14884618
>>14884620
>>14884584
Stop appealing to authorities and do some thinking of your own. Of course, studying hard subjects will always blow any kind of "cognitive training" out of the fucking water: There's demonstrated proof that engaging in cognitive work increases the long-term potentiation or the "connections between neurons" through a variety of mechanisms and models that test this are called "environmental enrichment" within the literature.
Increasing the load or demand that we place on our neurons when we learn strengthens the connections between neurons as well as neuronal morphology through the induction of functional hypoxia.
As we place high degrees of stress on neurons in a cognitively demanding task this promotes erythropoietin-signaling within neurons by transiently inducing a small degree of oxygen-glucose deprivation that preconditions neurons to become more resistant to inflammatory stressors.
> Introducing the brain erythropoietin circle to explain adaptive brain hardware upgrade and improved performance
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35414656/
> CaMKIIα Expressing Neurons to Report Activity-Related Endogenous Hypoxia upon Motor-Cognitive Challenge
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33804598/
I can guarantee you, there's much more and better data on environmental enrichment in the literature than fucking DnB.

>> No.14884630

>>14884622
That's a cool mechanism man, and thanks for the knowledge, but I highly doubt studying hard subject will outperform the results attained from DnB training.

That's something that should be looked into and compared, for sure.

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>>14884630
That's because you're an underage charlatan without the slightest bit of knowledge regarding neuroscience. EPO is amazing because it supports the growth of most cell types within the brain except that it suppresses the growth of microglial cells. This would mean that, as it's reducing iron accumulation and suppressing neuroinflammation, microglial cells are then needed less to support the breakdown of inflammation in the brain. This means we'd become much more resistant to endotoxin-induced cell death with time.
The most promising canditates for cognitive enhancement, at the moment, are drugs (ARA-290, IGF2, TAK-653, Neboglamine, Tabernanthalog, Tropisetron, etc.) combined with studying difficult subjects.
You have no mechanism whatsoever, and such a malleable system is all that counts if you want to actually improve cognition. All you have is pop-sci articles and p-hacked statistics that are epistemologically garbage.

Have some humility and maybe you could learn something new, shitposting cunt.

>> No.14884974

>>14884644
Ok...so any study comparing the efficacy of mono DnB vs ER on cognition?

>> No.14885198 [DELETED] 

>>14884974
Your mind is fucking broken.

>> No.14885772

>>14884582
>The most effective (by far) scientifically proven method to do this is the dual n back.
It's been thoroughly disproven. Jaeggi could never replicate the success of her first study, and others have also failed to replicate the results.

>> No.14885775

>>14884584
>Though this exercise didn't make anyone smarter
Kek.

>> No.14886431

>>14884582
Based dual n-back enjoyer. Dont worry OP, figures dont lie and the study has been repeated many times.

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>>14884622
>>14884644
I'm a dumb nigger, but dubs don't lie. I can't fully understand the explanation, but I think it meant something like nerdmaxxing makes you smart and helps prevent cognitive decline? This confirms what everyone already knew, and I'll be sure to double down on my delusional quest for intellectually derived power

>> No.14886520

>>14886513
You're a worthless talentless trash

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>>14884585
Mixed to positive results, actually

>> No.14886982

>>14886964
The absolute desperating of DnB shills. It's bizarre.

>> No.14889133

>>14886982
>DnB shills
You just invented that? Good job on being an insufferable troll.

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>>14884582
in the meta analysis of dual n back this has already been disproven near transfer effects no far transfer or generalization. As in no increase in actual fluid intelligence if you look at the papers that say they "increased it" they usually tested them on the easiest parts of the IQ test ones that wee trainable with a quick time limit, allow them to go full 30 minutes and attempt the most difficult questions first and they are getting no increase in fluid intelligence baka. I feel bad for you go read Richard haiers neuroscience of intelligence. Susan the publisher of that paper is a certified woke feminist retard no offense.