/sci/ - Science & Math

>>14883601
They break your brain, but there's also some selection bias because people whose brains are already broken end up liking them too.

drugs break the filter wall, it can expose you to demonic entities and net you see other dimensions

>>14883614
Say you have an information processing system. It turns input information into output information.
Say you break that machine. Does it produce coherent output information?

>your are crazy
You tell me.

>>14883601
because we are smarter than you

>>14883601
define "drugs"

>>14883637
I'm with this anon here. What kind of drugs are we talking about?

>>14883620
Whos to say every one of those machines process information in the same way. What of the heavily filtered output that allows a person to live in their situation is "real". We try to describe through physics the nature of things, but is that what you see and feel? That you are part of an infinite soup of interconnected matter and energy? Some people are going to experience reality in a completely different way to yourself. What say you were blind, and your visual cortex had managed to link itself in part to input coming from your ears? People like that exist, without taking any kind of drug. Is what they experience fundamentally broken or just different and interesting?

If they alter your ability to perceive reality, who is to say if the alteration is an improvement or a decline in the accuracy of the perception? It's a meme druggy answer but you really do need to try psychedelics to understand it.

>>14883713
>do drugs break your brain?
>idk just try it and see lol

>>14883614
>demons are real

>>14883601
I did drugs, psychosis and have sensory confusion. Life is boring though which fuels my wheel of not knowing where to know certainty.

>>14883712
>but is that what you see and feel?
True. Physics is not physical at all.

>>14883624
If that guy has to pretend to be normal, it proves that he didn't really realize any deep truths. If you actually did, you would just go "oh wow" and countinue being normal like you always were.

>>14883712
>>14883620
What's "real?" What you see or what he "sees?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAtVOK04XvA

>>14883785
You're both taking a sensory experience of the same reality. His is less complete but roughly good enough for survival.

>>14883755
stfu pseud it is just a meme

>>14883730
Or don't. I don't mind. You're leaving some doors closed is all. Maybe they're best unopened. It's funny that you think you might have it figured out though.

>>14883601
I really don't understand why you have to share your "truths" with others. Just keep it to yourself.

>>14883787
less complete how? You think being able to see colors makes your conception of reality complete? BWAHAHAHHA.

You can see a hell of a lot more colors on psychedelics. So by your own arguments your perception of reality is the one that is incomplete.

>>14883799
It objectively does, because light spectra are a component of reality. And no you can't see "more colors" on psychedelics, because the sensors you use aren't affected by them. Psychedelics just jam up the processing done by your brain, as if you were introducing noise into a video encoder and thought the error patterns were fresh data.

>>14883806
Even "mainstream" materialist science concedes this reality is made of energy. So you aren't seeing reality at all, you are seeing what it shows you (matter) which is a very small Slice" of reality. Again, even mainstream is forced to admit this via "dark matter." Your arguments hold no water in neither the esoteric sciences or even the conventional dogma of the day, you are just arguing from a place of ignorance,

>>14883806
heat is a component of reality, can you see heat? sound is a component of reality. Can you see sound the way he does? This is a dumb argument.

>>14883812
>>14883816
Dark matter is fake and a person with sight can use infrared detectors AND learn echolocation. Crippled people are crippled.

>>14883821
your arguments are something I would expect to come from the mind of a child, no offense. An adult should be able to think longer than the 2 minutes you did and see how dumb your arguments are. Yes humans can design gadgets to enhance the sense they already possess but they cant produce technology to give them sense they dont even know exist

>>14883827
The only proof you have of these alleged "extra senses" is that you took a plant that blasts your optic nerve with fake neurotransmitters. Doing drugs doesn't make you in-tune with the universe, it just makes you schizophrenic for 30 minutes to an hour depending on the dose.

>>14883832
everything in this reality is just frequencies. Changes in color, pitch etc and just how your brain is interpreting that particular frequency. There are other frequencies in this reality you are oblivious too that you do not possess the sense to detect. Dog whistles for one. Someone like you would say "there is no sound right now you are schizo!!!" while your dog is running around howling from the noise. A bear can smell shit from miles away. A shark has a sense known as the impuli or lorenzeni that allows it to detect a single drop of blood from miles away. Your human senses are not the end all be all little one. They are just the tools you were given to navigate the magnetic fields of the real reality underneath what your paltry senses can map for you to navigate.

If you dont understand by now you arent going to so enjoy the rest of the thread. I'm out

>>14883838
*Ampullae of Lorenzini

>>14883821
>Crippled people are crippled

What about a shark? When he can feel the beating of another beings heart? It's a big universe out there. What might be "reality" for an alien species?

>>14883838
>A shark has a sense known as the impuli or lorenzeni that allows it to detect a single drop of blood from miles away

Their sense of smell is that powerful but those organs are for electroreception. They can feel the very weak electromagnetic fields generated by other animals.. they are I think the most sensitive but other animals also react to stronger fields.. like the earths magnetic field itself for navigation.

The human brain has been shown to respond to these fields in small ways as well. Perhaps in some people more than others? Maybe a distant ancestor made more use of this. I wonder what reality was like for him?

>>14883838
I'm saying that I can make devices to detect those sounds. You're saying that you can take a plant to scramble your neurotransmitters and that the lies demons tell you when your brain is scrambled are proof of universal revelations.

>>14883902
Can you make devices to detect everything that exists, or have you yet? Who's to say when as you say your "brain is scrambled" you can't perceive some of things constantly having small but 100% measurable effects on the matter that makes up your brain in a way that would otherwise be completely foreign

>>14883924
I'd believe it if drug abuse didn't cause people to believe retarded universalist tripe and globohomo nonsense. It's never anything genuinely profound, just regurgitations of what their masters tell them reinforced by a psychotic episode.

>>14883601
dunno but i'm sure they're just trolling at this point, believing drug cocktailing your brain somehow gives you access to deep thruths about universe that is governed secret otherwise is laughable

i think this is some new version of "dude weed, that's so deep bro" meme

>>14883937
>says the "adderall gives me studying superpowers" junkie

>>14883941
and also shortens your brain life span, overclock if you wish but still no secret mystical information

>>14883943
imagine not being smart enough to understand the analogy. this board is populated by legit retards

>>14883949
adderall junkies don't claim the same shit as your average DMT worshipper, they know what it does instead retard
your analogy is completely irrelevant and retarded

>>14883812
Energy isn't some handwavy ethereal shit.

>>14883969
next you are going to tell me it has properties but doesnt really exist in a physical sense like "space." quiet hack

>>14883601
>>14883601
For me (although it was years ago now) psychadelics lead me towards a more responsible life, an indifference towards unanswerable questions and a strive for verifyable truths. I get why people might misconstrue hallucinations as having come for a divine source, but for me I always saw it as an internal experience rather than something originatic from a higher source.

I will say that they do open your mind to just how fragile ones sensory experience is and it will certainly give you perspective.. but I do agree most people that are involved with drugs, especially those that aren't in it for the explorative aspect but in search of truth are for the most part retarded.

>>14883838
This is the crap that will come out of the mouth of a drug addict. One drug addict says everything is made out of consciousness; another says everything is made from frequencies, the third one will say some other nonsense. They are so full of drugs that they don't even realize how weird they sound to normal people.

>>14884089
Im full of viagra because your mom is a slam pig beast and wont let me sleep

>>14883601
well drug users are retarded so...

>>14884089
Who gives a fuck about normal people? You think normal people could have come up with a single concept in physics? He may be right or he may be wrong, but sounding weir to normal people is about the last criterion to use for determining that. I don't know if you even qualify as a midwit after saying that.

>>14883733
Yes, the evidence seems quite conclusive on this.

>>14883601
>Do drugs actually make you retarded?
some certainly do
>They break your brain, but there's also some selection bias because people whose brains are already broken end up liking them too.
which ones?
weed? alcohol? nicotine?
if so i agree
>>14883637
first smart reply in the thread
>>14883730
which ones from the graph provided would are you willing to try?
it would be a shame if you had a sip of alcohol
id hate to find out im talking with someone who has a broken brain
>>14884205
agreed
alcohol and weed users expecially

>>14886579
which ones from the graph provided are you willing to try?*

>>14886579
>which ones?
>weed? alcohol? nicotine?
>if so i agree
Yes. all of those are commonly used to self-medicate by people with serious underling mental issues. But all of them can cause mental decline even in normal people.

>>14883601
I have two brother's that started taking psychedelics and they both became noticeably crazier and dumber.

>>14883601
Oh I can answer this for real. I freebased DMT over 100 times...
Substances like DMT especially cause a diminished sense of ego. The ego is largely built on certain styles of sensory perception, and unchallenged ideas... For example, your mind is currently creating a representation of the world. It makes the representation of various sensory qualities like touch and sight.

The feeling of you ending at the edge of your body in the visual field is a function of the mind. It requires a functioning mind to create a sense of spatial positioning within a visual field.

Things like spatial positioning, identification of self, and the mixing of several senses to interact in generating a very sincere representation of the world, all rely on the mind's aftereffects.

These drugs interrupt the body's ability to add aftereffects onto the raw sense data.

This leads to a genuinely more real "experience", as you are experiencing what is closer to unadultered reality. The sense of where the body ends etc, that process stops, and it's senses like that which lead to the sense of being sizeless etc when high on these drugs.

People believe it because some of what happens, like said above, is quite literally closer to raw reality. IMO you could easily argue that the less special effects are placed onto a sensory field by the mind, the closer you are to seeing actual reality as it is.

>>14886600
This is true of basically everyone who takes them.

>>14886609
what tek bro
about to start my first extract w/ acrb. gonna use 30grams just as a test.

Gone are the days when I was an adderall balling programmer materialist who could only chase money, Science! headlines, and coom to Hossenfelder. After some LSD I couldn't ever take adderall again. Plotinus got so much right. I have never been so consistently comfy for months before.

>>14883601
Maybe you should try the drugs and find out. The universe is one bro. You won't know until you try.

>>14883601
Why are you so painfully unintelligent?

>>14883601
No medicine you get from doctors are drugs as well and nobody walks around retarded

>>14883614
spbp

>>14883601
>>14883614
There is a hypothesis that some schizophrenics may actually mistake their own inner monologue as being a voice outside of their body.
I believe people who think drugs reveal some great truth are essentially having the same issue.

I’ve woken up from dreams where I’ve had crazy revelations about how to solve a problem, or a course of action to take. I wake up desperate to note it down and make use of it, and then as I become more aware, while I remember the revelation perfectly, I realise it makes no fucking sense and is actually worthless dream logic.

Druggies are either incapable or unwilling to make that realisation about drug-fuelled fantasies

>>14887582
>There is a hypothesis that some schizophrenics may actually mistake their own inner monologue as being a voice outside of their body.

Or we can listen to actual professional sufferers who tell us that they're literal interdimensional parasites feeding off our emotional turmoil.


https://odysee.com/@WindowsontheWorld:8/the-presence-of-other-worlds:0

>>14887582
>let me tell you about this thing I know almost nothing about but state it with authority like I am an expert!
stfu retard

>>14887587
*professionals and sufferers

>>14883601
>why do imaginary boogeymen in my head hold whatever beliefs i assign to them?
That's for you to sort out with yourself. Either way, what's so irrational about pantheism? It sounds like you're the one deficient in abstract thought.

>>14887587
Kek is this a troll post?

>>14887606
No, it's quite serious.

>>14887594
It’s directly comparable.
>schizos don’t understand their thoughts are their own, believe they’re out there be demons, government etc
>druggies either don’t understand or choose not to understand that whatever they see or feel on a trip is generated by their own mind and not some greater truth, or contact with another plane of existence etc
I’m both situations, chemical imbalances people mistake their own thoughts for external reality.

Fuck off you namefagging midwit

>>14887612
out of the two of us in this conversation I am the only one that doesnt have sex with men

>>14887614
just kidding. i have sex with men, farm animals and even old women occasionally

>>14887612
Keep an open mind, watch the linked video then use it to inform your understanding of the world a little more

>>14887620
NPC "minds" are write-once.

>>14887620
>dude listen to mentally ill people’s understanding of why they’re mentally ill!!!!
Cos that’s how that works

How come all these people who supposedly have experienced "the truth" about the universe never amount to anything?

Sounds to me just like MENSA faggots

>>14887622
Ironic that you’ll say that, yet you come up with an explanation for shit you don’t understand without evidence and then no amount of proof to the contrary will ever change your mind

>>14887625
What would you expect them to "amount to"?

>>14883943
>shortens your brain lifespan
Not if you take a shit ton of antioxidants

>>14887626
Please tell me more about what the preprogrammed strawmen in your head did to upset you today. :^)

>>14887627
live a happy life?
be satisfied with themselves?
do the same to other people?

>>14887632
Why are you projecting your own misery and obnoxiousness on others?

>>14887634
???????

>>14887623
Well they'll have a better understanding than you.

>>14887634
How do you know they don't "amount" to what you mentioned in your post?

>>14887625
im fucking rich faggot. Sharon Stone and James Woods are MENSA

>>14887642
>Sharon Stone and James Woods are MENSA
Geena Davis I meant

>>14887636
How do you know they don't "amount" to what you mentioned in your post?

>>14887625
I've seem those, they're usually slow as fuck, can't do math, can't hold a job and are assholes to everyone.
Strange how the truth makes them behave just like stupid people.

>>14887674
>let me tell you about the imaginary characters in my head
lol. have sex, incel

>>14887679
You make absolutely no sense. I just gave my experience with those who've seen the truth.

>>14887687
>i just gave my experience of imaginary strawmen in my head
have sex, incel

>>14883601
only retards do drugs

>>14887638
Does someone with cancer have a better understanding of their illness than a doctor?

>Doooooood it’s interdimensional beings dude! Trust me! Just ignore the 1000s of schizos who don’t believe they’re being harassed by demons or some shit. Ignore the ones who exhibit psychosis differently too. That’s all probably the interdimensional demons too I’ll bet. Huh? Evidence? Well no, I can’t show you an inter dimensional being, or measure one in any way, or even scientifically describe the processes through which they exist or interact with the world, but the schizo self-reporting IS the evidence dude! Huh? Circular reasoning? What’s that? Trust me- OH GOD PLEASE, PLEASE FUCKING HELP. A LIFETIME OF STATE EDUCATION AND INTERNET ACCESS HAS MADE ME FEEL AS THOUGH IVE SEEN EVERYTHING THIS WORLD HAS TO OFFER WITHOUT EVER HAVING EXPERIENCED IT! THERE MUST BE MORE! OH GOD PLEASE TELL ME THERES MORE! I’LL TAKE ANYTHING! DEMONS, ALIENS, OTHER DIMENSIONS! OH GOD OH FUCK- *hits bong* think about it dude *exhales*

>>14887705
speaking of schizophrenia: meds. now.

>>14883601
>Do drugs actually make you retarded
yes, but also retards who take drugs give the people who do drugs without acting retarded a bad reputation. its not like theres an iq test anyone needs to pass to take drugs, plus hollywood glamorizes the stuff and since only the dumbest of the dumb watch hollywood idiocy, that amplifies the problem of retards having access to drugs.

>>14883601
>Do drugs actually make you retarded?
yes

>>14883876
Not him but it wouldve helped for hunting and being hunted. If you can detect electromagnetic fields coming from other organisms, you wouldve had a step up compared to everyone else. Its probably why some people can “feel” it when others stare at them.

Drugs make you delusional not inherently retarded. Similar to how if you occasionally went full schizo and saw and believed a bunch of shit that wasn't true it would be hard for you to decipher physical reality even in non schzio momments.
Case in point.
>>14883614
Some drugs however can make you retarded but not all drugs

>>14886579
>benzodiazepines lower than cannabis and tobacco
fucking retarded lmao

>>14888278
The fact that people constantly get fucking stalked or spied on is proof that no one can really sense when someone is watching them. It’s other context clues mixed with paranoia.

>>14883601
Christopher Langan has spoken his opinion about this during the interview with Curt Jaimungal (TOE). His conclusion is that psychedelics place the subject in a gap between reality and hallucinations/psychosis so there isnt any enlightenment. Its merely your mind being distorted.

>>14886609
>These drugs interrupt the body's ability to add aftereffects onto the raw sense data.

Your neurons are literally dying bro

>>14889370
They are being transported to a higher dimension.