/sci/ - Science & Math

>>14883606
If not, it should be soon.

>>14883606

>>14883606
Of course not. What kind of moron would believe such a ridiculous nonsense without the threat of state violence?

>>14883606
Yeah, but it was probably somewhere between 4,000,000 and 6,000,000 Jews killed, plus about 4,0000,000 Poles and other groups in the war.
People died in Ghettos before the concentration camps were even built.
People died on the trains. Entire train cars were opened and filled with corpses after they went without water for several days or from being frozen by the cold.
People died from starvation, lack of water, and lack of medical care. There were also firing squads that routinely murdered people.
Then, lots of people were killed in gas chambers, but not 6,000,000, as is mostly reported on 4chan, less than half were killed in gas chambers, probably closer to 2,000,000 to 4,000,000.
All of the retards spouting bullshit about the holocaust are playing right into the hands of Jews, who then use that to fuel the entire “Anti-Semitiam Industry”, where Jews make millions from books, speaking gigs, donations, etc.

>>14885138
>Anti-Semitism Industry
Fucking autocorrect

>>14885138
I see you provided no scientific evidence, I expected more from /sci/

All of the "death camps" of the holocaust were in what was the Russian occupied sector, so the real question is "How trustworthy do you think Russians are?"

>>14885138
>Yeah, but it was probably somewhere between 4,000,000 and 6,000,000 Jews killed, plus about 4,0000,000 Poles and other groups in the war.
The official count has been revised below 4 million already and it goes lower every year.

>>14885145
You clearly work for this industry if you believe anybody was gassed. You probably believe fingernails can gouge concrete as well.

>>14886256
Do they ever? Censorship, mockery and character assassination is all they really have. Anecdotal evidence is not proof, but hardly anyone knows how to prove the empirical truth anymore so everyone just turns into OpEd spreaders. Welcome to 2022.

I'd love to watch Ben Shapiro try to empirically prove it happened. I think his brain would implode.

Jannie deleted the post about the entire holocaust myth hinging on the trustworthiness of Russian government information, since all the rumored "death camps" were in the Russian sector and no westerners were present at the liberation of those camps.

>>14883606
No lol, the “gas chambers” are a complete hoax.

No gas chambers, no holocaust.

>>14886979
The chemical used was a pesticide called Zyklon B. The manufacturers added a foul odor to the chemical so it could be detected in case of accidental exposure or leaks.
The german army specifically requested the chemical company manufacture this chemical WITHOUT the added scent, specifically for use in gas chambers.

also why are you using redit spacing?

>>14886979
>No gas chambers

>>14886938
i gotchu senpai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRLXX8KrpW8

>>14887000
If they were gassing jews, you know, to kill them, why would they care what the gas smelled like? In fact, it would make more logical sense to keep the smell so they could notice possible leaks in the gas chambers. Your argument makes no plausible sense at all.
>>14887003
Whoa a guy leaning next to a wall with a label. What amazing proof
>>14887005
>>14887007
>>14887010
Whoa, pictures of piles of bodies. This totally proves that those people were gassed in chambers. It could never be from starvation, even though all the bodies are super thin.
These are the shittiest responses I've ever seen. You are losing your touch.

>>14887003
That's the door to a fumigation room where clothes were fumigated in small kilns. You can go on the tour and see those.

>>14887024
Thats great I've never seen that before. You can see how pissed he is just saying it. I actually like the points he makes a lot of the time but the cognitive dissonance on this topic would destroy him. Is there anymore to that if I look around on youtube?

>>14887053
i think it's this one. iirc he was meant to give a speech in front of a bunch of leftists at a shitlib college, and then for some reason he totally changed his script at the last minute and started sperging about the alt right and even did the cookie thing. it was definitely related to something in the news, but can't remember what offhand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge_RUxBTHN4

>>14887041
>Whoa, pictures of piles of bodies.
remember the several thousand

>>14887000
>>14887003
>>14887005
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>>14887010
didnt happen lol

>>14886975
wut? like that would ever happen. Who would ever have a motive to do that?

>>14883606
Yes it did

>>14883606
Based on science, OP is a faggot.

>>14887461
Prove it.

>>14887460
the video of that shows how he was speaking to an audience of rabbis who he said it, and how he went on to politely detail the nature of the crimes of those jewish bolsheviks to the rabbis
https://archive.org/details/PutinSovietGovernmentWasMostlyJewish8085
https://archive.org/download/PutinSovietGovernmentWasMostlyJewish8085/Putin%20Soviet%20Government%20Was%20Mostly%20Jewish%2080-85%20%25.mp4

>>14883606
>no evidence
Nah, just millions of Jewish witnesses who survived.

>>14887072
Nick Fuentes sending people to mog him at one of his events, IIRC. For a few months he desperately tried to dig at Fuentes personally because some teenagers who liked him told Shapiro he was short.

>>14888330
lmao at holocausters who leave behind millions of survivors, why were those camps all teeming with living jews? wouldn't it have been more expedient to kill them than to house them for ages only to kill them later?

>>14888330
There are more holocaust survivors than Jews in German-occupied Europe at this point.

>the holocaust wasn't real
Literally nazi cope.

>>14888432
Nazis are people who wish it happened.

>>14883606
There is this wonderful documentary about Treblinka, in which they proved holocaust. They dug the ground around Treblinka, and can you guess what they found? They found bathroom tiles. Such tiles would have been used in gas chambers. They also dug in a Christian graveryard, and can you guess what they found? They found a dental filling. This was obviously a camp where they killed hundreds of thousands of people. These findings should make that very clear.

>>14888429
>holocaust survivors

>>14888458
He was so injured by breaking out through the gas chamber's wooden doors that it was permanently affixed to his body.

Ignore the mass graves bro.

>>14888413
I dont have a lot of knowledge about it overall, but they had the databases with names and shit, so maybe they wanted to keep track of who they already killed, and who is still alive and still running out in the wild. But that still wouldnt explain why they kept them alive in the camps. Only thing that comes into my mind, is leaving them for interrogation, to find out where other members of their family are, but i dont believe that they did this with everyone who got there alive.

>>14888531
Are you a holocaust denier? The mass graves do not exist because Nazis hid the evidence. They gassed Jews, burned their bodies and crushed their bones. That's why there are no mass graves. They hid the fucking evidence because they were about to lose the war. So stop this fucking meme "where are the mass graves, bruh?!" It's getting really fucking old.

>>14888458
>wooden door

https://youtu.be/hH4NlbAKfOY

Why can't /pol/ stay in /pol/?

>>14888548
>still yet to provide any scientific evidence
>>14888583
this is a scientific issue. We already know what /pol/ thinks... so lets bring this issue to a less bias board.
if the holocaust happened, it should be easily and unrefutably provable

>>14888531
only familiar with katyn forest. oh wait, that was eventually proven to be the communists

>>14888548
>burned their bodies
what did they do with the roughly 10-15 thousand tons of ash left after burning 6 million bodies (over a time period that isn't feasible but whatever). and how did they manage to divert all of those resources and the manpower away from the fronts that they desperately tried to hold, the failing supply lines, the bombed cities, etc. and away from the desperate efforts to keep feeding the jews enough so that they make it until the russians and americans can come pick them up?

>>14883606
No, but it should have.

>>14888650
They atomized the ashes using secret technology (which they stole from the Jews obviously).

>>14886975
gotta trust them russians, why would a russian ever lie?

>>14888363
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHQDiPcBWEY

work camps, typhoid outbreaks
those unable to work we don't know what happened to them

>>14883606
To be clear, there is no beuracratic trail; no evidence of any central plan, order or budget (everything was apparently code words, deportation meant murder, special treatment meant hanging, east meant gassing etc.)
Never has there been any unearthing of any mass graves at alleged known locations containing the remains of MILLIONS of people.
It is illegal to question or research.
Nuremberg was a show trial filled with obvious lies such as:
>MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: Now, I have certain information, which was placed in my hands, of an experiment which was carried out near Auschwitz and I would like to ask you [Albert Speer] if you heard about it or knew about it. The purpose of the experiment was to find a quick and complete way of destroying people without the delay and trouble of shooting and gassing and burning, as it had been carried out, and this is the experiment, as I am advised. A village, a small village was provisionally erected, with temporary structures, and in it approximately 20,000 Jews were put. By means of this newly invented weapon of destruction, these 20,000 people were eradicated almost instantaneously, and in such a way that there was no trace left of them; that it developed the explosive developed, temperatures of from 400 to 500 degrees centigrade and destroyed them without leaving any trace at all.
"Gas chambers" at Auschwitz are all totally faithful and reliable Soviet reconstructions (with wooden doors). The actual floor plans in German had those supposed Auschwitz (with theaters, swimming pools, hospitals, post offices) gas chambers labeled as morgues.
WW2 represented the most total defeat in history. Attrocity propoganda was also wide spread.
Virtually all the "evidence" is eye witness testimonies filled with obvious lies, and post-war show trial confessions.
No, it obviously did not happen.

>>14888583
Truth secretes into everything

>holocaust didn't happen
>entire argument is how many people really died
I don't understand this argument.

The Nazi's sentiment really was to kill all jews. Their desire was genocide.
Are you arguing that Nazi's love jews and didn't want to exterminate them?
or is the argument they lost the war and were stopped before they succeeded?

wtf even is the rational for this argument other than "I read a thing on internet, and another thing on internet, but only 1 can be true, who I can chose which one and if you disagree it's because you chose wrong"

>>14888993
>The Nazi's sentiment really was to kill all jews. Their desire was genocide.
>Are you arguing that Nazi's love jews and didn't want to exterminate them?
>or is the argument they lost the war and were stopped before they succeeded?
They wanted to deport them to other countries, and then when the war broke out they started moving some to labor camps so they could be economically useful instead of sabotaging the nation. Same as the US did to the Japanese.

>>14888976
To add to this, here are some excellent revisionist documentaries on this subject to get started.
>Treblinka, Sobibor, Belzec (together allegedly accounted for nearly 1/3 of the Holocaust's deaths — more than Auschwitz)
https://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=1001
>Auschwitz
https://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=2&page_id=1005
https://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=2&page_id=1004
>Great Holocaust debate and discussion forum.
https://forum.codoh.com/index.php

The good guys lost the war. We are now living in this degenerate dsygenic mess masquerading as liberty and progress. Hitler was right about nearly everything, and as Hoss said "The greatest son [Germany] has brought forth in its thousand year history". Artist, solider, intellectual, philosopher, politician, leader, hero. Here is a nice collection of his speeches, and you judge for yourself if you have ever heard anyone speak with just HALF the passion and authenticity.
https://odysee.com/@AnthonyCorvinus:a/HitlerSpeeches:e

>>14889005
Do you have any proof? Since you haven't researched this topic at all, I'll let you know what is the standard view
>..... an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus -- mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy" - Raul Hilberg
No alleged immense human remains of millions to be seen in alleged known locations, no 'holocaust'

>>14889023
>Do you have any proof? Since you haven't researched this topic at all, I'll let you know what is the standard view
>>..... an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus -- mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy" - Raul Hilberg
>No alleged immense human remains of millions to be seen in alleged known locations, no 'holocaust'
You might be replying to the wrong guy.

>>14889027
Yes, my bad. It was meant for >>14888993

>>14889023
>Do you have any proof? Since you haven't researched this topic at all
I'll be honest and frank. No, I haven't done much "research" because it's a generally accepted as fact. But to be fair I did try and literally 10 seconds of "research" allowed me to refute your claims

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/327194663_Holocaust_Archaeology_Using_Ground_Penetrating_Radar_to_Locate_a_Jewish_Mass_Grave_in_Kaunas_Lithuania

The ease and speed in which I found this suggests either YOU haven't done ANY research at all, or you've only researched from biased websites owned and operated by neo-nazi's, or you are willfully ignorant because you yourself are a neo-nazi and do not wish to have your ego bruised.

>>14889063
Listen, I will be patient with you because I was once like you too. Learning it didn't happen blew my mind, and I became incredibly distrustful since.
I will point out the most obvious thing about your "study". How do they know it's Jews? How do they know the Germans did it. And, here is the real kicker: that is not the Holocaust. The holocaust narrative is gas chambers in death camps with mass graves at alleged known locations.
If you're furhter interested in your study, here is a link to a discussion on it. I myself know nothing about this.
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12230&p=90959&hilit=Using+Ground+Penetrating+Radar+to+Locate+a+Jewish+Mass+Grave+in+Kaunas%2C+Lithuania#p90959

>>14889081
>Learning it didn't happen blew my mind, and I became incredibly distrustful since.
Your age is showing in this post.
So you were naive, and once you lost your naivete you became jaded.

It's only natural the people in a conflict vilify their enemies, and that the victors get to write history. More than likely the numbers were fudged or exaggerated a tad. War stories were told to be more horrific than they really were. I'd never doubt this, but that doesn't mean everything is a complete fabrication. In fact it suggests the opposite, because all good myth and lies are based on some truth. We knew Nazi's held Jews in camps, and a great number of them died. You're squabbling over the exact numbers and methods at this point and claiming any lie is proof of a grand conspiracy. Grow up.

>>14889122
>We knew Nazi's held Jews in camps, and a great number of them died. You're squabbling over the exact numbers and methods at this point and claiming any lie is proof of a grand conspiracy.
You're really moving the goalposts. Yeah no shit people die in concentration camps. People died in the Japanese concentration camps the US set up. What the holocaust industry does is assert that the Germans successfully exterminated European Jewry, and as a result Germany has to be in perpetual financial hock to Israel (they pay reparations yearly) and must be constantly occupied by the US Military.

These two things are of totally different scopes.

>>14889122
Keep in mind as well that it's illegal to question the numbers in all of Europe. So "quibbling with the numbers" is considered so evil by the government that it can get you more prison time than murder. Your reaction to the sheer insanity of the lack of studious inquiry surrounding the event is "so what, why should I care?"

>>14889122
>It's only natural the people in a conflict vilify their enemies, and that the victors get to write history.
Who are the victors and who are the enemies?

>>14889122
There's a big difference between Jews dying in German work camps from typhus and starvation (from the war, allied supply line bombing etc; Germany itself was starving), and systematic policy aimed at the murder of innocent men, women and children. The latter being accepted as fact serves to villify National Socialism, Hitler, or indeed any "far-right" movement, hence it's eternal impediment. Nevermind the fact it is a simple injustice to be accused of such a crime without having comitted it.

>>14889249
There are MI6 letters about how they think this whole "gas chamber" myth is really stupid but they want to promote it to gin up more pro-war sentiment. Eventually the kibosh is put on it because they're worried about mass rioting and murder but it's beyond their control.

>not evidence of war crimes to convince Nazi sympathizers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderaktion_1005
>To cover up the mass murder of more than two million people in Poland during Operation Reinhard, the Nazis implemented the secret Sonderaktion 1005, also called Aktion 1005 or Enterdungsaktion ("exhumation action"). The operation, which began in 1942 and continued until the end of 1943, was designed to remove all traces that mass murder.

>>14889316
t. Russians, who also said that the Katyn Forest Massacre was done by the Nazis.

>>14889324
>t. Nazi SS testimony given during Nuremberg trails

>>14889330
Testimony obtained under torture isn't valid.

>>14889332
>Testimony obtained under torture isn't valid.
but what does that have to do with the price of eggs in France?

>>14887000
>The german army specifically requested the chemical company manufacture this chemical WITHOUT the added scent, specifically for use in gas chambers
It's literally used for delousing in a chamber which yes technically makes it a gas chamber. Lice were a huge problem back then.
Removing the warning agent in no way whatsoever implies there were "execution chambers" though, that is a huge leap in logic. In wartime when supplies were very very low they just decided to forgo this extra chemical. Turns out people do unsafe things in war when they get desperate. Why the heck would they need to remove it if they're just going to execute them? The jews who claim to have "survived" gas chambers claim it's a horrific experience without ever needing to mention the smell.
Your reasoning is totally flawed: there is more justification for removing it without invoking execution than keeping it creates anti-justification for execution (ie keeping Jews calm when they're executed).
ie: keeping it doesn't contradict the goal of killing Jews *** more so than ***getting rid of it doesn't support the narrative of killing Jews.

The most logical conclusion therefore is the choice to remove the warning agent wasn't for the purpose of execution.

>>14889371
Remember, there is still NO EVIDENCE OF THE ALLEGED MASS GRAVES AT KNOWN LOCATIONS.

>>14889371
>they just decided to forgo this extra chemical
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4
They developed procedures, rules, and protocols to lead sheep to their slaughter house without arousing suspicion. They first honed these methods by exterminating the mentally ill and retarded. Eventually utilizing the methods learned in large death camps. Think about it, if you have a massive concentration camp where everyone is destined for extermination, they'd have riots 24/7. They needed to keep the killings a secret, till the very moment they drew their last breath. This is why they removed the scent indicator. So people wouldn't suspect they were going to be murdered as they inhale toxic gas.

>t's literally used for delousing
Yes they used it for delousing. They were able to find residual traces of Zyklon B within the bricks of the delousing chambers, but they also found those same residual chemicals within the executions chambers. How do you explain?

>>14889381
see >>14889316

According to the Nazi's, they dug up the bodies and ground up the bones into dust to hide the evidence. Pretty sure they didn't bother doing this till they realized they were going to lose the war tho, so it seems to me they were afraid of being charged with war crimes.

>>14889388
>they dug up the bodies and ground up the bones into dust to hide the evidence
how long would that have fucking taken? where do you put the bone dust?

>They called this post “spam” to try to shadowban it
The neonazi jannies resorting to censorship already? Pathetic!

Fuck jannies
Eat shit
Have more pics

>Noooo you can’t post the camps that actually existed
Jannies trying to censor knowledge
Ahahahahaah right wing safe space getting violated

>No there’s no bodies!

Prophet

Holocaust deniers are exactly like the Turks denying the Armenian death March
Same kind of mindset. Don’t matter what you tell them, don’t matter the evidence, they’ll hold to their lies all the same

>>14889421
>>14889424
Even orthodox historians will tell you none of these people were gassing victims or genocide victims. Starvation and typhus.

>>14889440
Also the people killed by the Holocaust wasn’t six million.
And I didn’t even say gas chambers you script brain.

>>14889451
It was more 11.5 like million

The point made in this article is that in the 1980s or '90s, the Simon Weisenthal Center reduced the number of dead juden just at Auschwitz by more than 2M. This center is 100% jew-run and it is the de facto bottom line authority on the jewish version of the history of the holocaust. The reason one is able to infer that the story about the 6,000,000 must be bullshit is that the numbers which were said to add up to 6M before this revision are still said to add up to 6M after subtracting 2M. Furthermore, this is a revision *only* to the numbers at Auschwitz so one expects that all the camps were overcounted and the 4M which is never cited would still be a gross exaggeration. Indeed, one expects that the reduced number still skews the number in favor of the jews' lies because the center is jewish and run by jews.

GONE:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1992-05-07-9202100662-story.html

STILL THERE:
http://web.archive.org/web/20190621105842/https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1992-05-07-9202100662-story.html

>>14883636
I agree.

>Officer I'm innocent! I didn't kill those 6 people! I've only killed 4 people total, so I can't be a criminal!

>>14889464
t. murder sympathizer

>>14889477
Hitler's only crime was that he didn't finish the job and your post goes to prove it.

It just occurred to me all the posts here have 1488 in them

>>14889479
He might as well have done it given that he was going to be accused of it anyway

>>14889495
Yep. Any leader that happens to oppose the Jewish bankster class should keep that one on mind.

>>14889388
how many cookies could that thing grind into dust in one hour?

>>14889416
>>14889418
>>14889420
>>14889421
It's incredible how brainwashed you are. Take a step and actaully think about the crime being accused, and the "evidence" being presented. There's more evidence for singular murders for fucks fake.
The camps existed. Check. People died in them. Check. That is NOT the evidence of a systematic industrialized mass murder through horribly designed AND impossible gas chambers.
No alleged immense human remains of millions to be seen in alleged known locations, no 'holocaust'. No evidence of a central order, no Holocaust
>Hitler's involvement
Even Holocaust Historian will kneel here
>“we’ve often fantasized about drawing up an indictment against Adolf Hitler himself. And to put into that indictment the major charge: the Final Solution of the Jewish question in Europe, the physical annihilation of Jewry. And then it dawned upon us, what would we do? We didn’t have the evidence.”
>source: so called "holocaust historian" Raul Hilberg

It happened. Just stop.

>>14889607
Reminder there's also never been a single autopsy on a sinsgle alleged gas chambers victim, on top of never finding their remains at alleged known locations.
Or that the gas chambers themselces were impossible and, even if we ignore that (you shouldn't) they were horribly designed,and even if you ignore that (you shouldn't), they are post war soviet reconstructions.

>>14889615
I am willing to believe you. What evidence can you provide that is not:
>eye witness testimonies will with obvious lies and inconsistencies
>post war show trial confessions
>out of context quotes
>easily manipulateable population records

>>14889607
>There's more evidence for singular murders
50 percent of all murders to unsolved. They had a literal army dedicated to erasing all traces.

>We didn’t have the evidence
Again, Nazi's gave testimony themselves during Nuremberg trials.
Also again, I'll state that the main argument of ITT seems to be based on a number, and that being unable to reach a concencus on a number is proof that all evidence is invalidated.

Since I've started repeating myself I'll assume there's no way you guys will see reason. You asked for rational discourse based on evidence, and when presented with evidence you balk and claim "no fair no fair it's all Jewish tricks." Except the evidence comes straight from the Nazi's mouth.

>>14889573
>b-b-but muh cookies
For fucks sake you can cook more than 1 cookie at a time. Survivors have stated this is exactly what they did. They'd pile them up as high as they could in the crematorium but they could never burn them fast enough is how I recall it being described.

>>14889386
>Eventually utilizing the methods learned in large death camps
That's a neat lie-based conspiracy theory you got there. Those euthanasia methods were not employed in "death camps" whatsoever
>Think about it, if you have a massive concentration camp where everyone is destined for extermination, they'd have riots 24/7
Nothing to think about. Firstly, if you know you'll be shot on site people are incredibly docile. Secondly, the warning agent would have no effect on the general beliefs among the labor-camp workers because they would never smell it anywhere in the camp except the de-lousing chambers. You admit there were delousing chambers, so your erroneous logic would dictate any de-lousing chamber present would cause a frenzy of revolt in any work camp. Obvious nonsense.
>They needed to keep the killings a secret, till the very moment they drew their last breath. This is why they removed the scent indicator. So people wouldn't suspect they were going to be murdered as they inhale toxic gas.
More delusion. The warning agent could not be smelled hundreds of yards away.
This runs incredibly counter to the narrative that many jews "survived" a "gas chamber" too.... they would go back and tell the other jews what happened. Any that survived should have got a bullet instantly by your "logic"
>This is why they removed the scent indicator. So people wouldn't suspect they were going to be murdered as they inhale toxic gas
In your fantasy world, sure. In reality they removed it because of war time scarcity.
If they're already inhaling toxic gas they would have already been locked in the gas chamber. Completely irrelevant if they smelled anything noxious at that point.
>they also found those same residual chemicals within the executions chambers. How do you explain?
You are simply pretending de lousing chambers were "execution chambers".. there is zero evidence they were used for execution. You are making a textbook "begging the question" fallacy.