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>>14880247

>>14880019
repost: splat!
>>14880059
downloadable: https://asitv.it/contenuti/download/live/1ed3e75f-3f2f-69ae-8f47-63e163abba25/files
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>>14880254

should be 640(?) images to download I think

>>14880260

more cool images released today

Anna Kikina, first Russian on Dragon (far left).

>>14880241
space warfare is going to look cool as fuck

>>14880268

>>14880296

feels weird

Something happened in the VAB. Probably a nothingberger but be on the lookout for news just in case

>>14880253
> AMONG US

bros
https://twitter.com/herrea/status/1574788974756990977
oh no

>>14880293
She looks beautiful and handsome at the same time, its weird.

>>14880325
>>14880336
>drops ominous happening tweet
>refuses to elaborate
I’m hoping this means it’s more serious and that he’s away from his phone dealing with a broken rocket

>>14880336
that's my troll account kek
surprised so many replied

>>14880341
Russian women be like that

https://twitter.com/emrekelly/status/1574798099549196288

>>14880336
>>14880348
For fuck's sake now what

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1574798914489880583
Turns out there was a smallish fire in the VAB in High Bay 3. Not great, but not terrible. Fire Department was already on site.

>hurricane approaching fast
>Nasa engineers unsure if the SLS should be rolled back
>oh no! the crawler won't turn on!
>they now HAVE TO launch the SLS before the hurricane destroys it
>final diagnostics all miraculously check out
>countdown starts
>storm is raging, lightning is hitting the tower,
>the fuelled stack begins to sway under gale winds
>...3...2...1...IGNITION!
>rocket lifts off and has now cleared half the length of the tower
>tower gets topppled by the storm,falls away from the rising rocket but explodes engulfing the SLS
>massive explosion rises, rises, keeps rising
>it's not an explsion
>the massive column of fire fades out to reveal a now dark and smoked rocket speeding towards the heavens
>fire had given it a somber and imposing space-black color that shocks and scares everyone
>after such spectacle, nobody has the slightest doubt of mission success now
>hours later
>celebration at the Nasa bulding
>Elon comes out of hiding from a storage closet
>he comes clean and confesses to sabotaging the crawler in order to push the NASA engineers to believe in themselves and to have confidence in their work
>teary eyed, everyone hugs each other bowing to sincerely work together from now on
>new space, Nasa, and even old space go on uplift humanity in a new age of exploration with power of cooperation and friendship

>>14880352
not reading this fanfic
>>14880350
Ugh it was nothing

>>14880352
2/10

>>14880302
last one; quick clip of LICIA conference for Italian speakers: >>>/wsg/4754445

GeoColor - True Color daytime, multispectral IR at night - 27 Sep 2022 - 1400 UTC

yep that's a storm

>>14880336
lmao

>>14880367
The Andes blocking the clouds looks really cool

>>14880349
SHES DOING HER BEST OK??
>>14880350
SHUT UP BERGER JUST SHUT UP

electrical fire

>It's over SLSisters...

>>14880405
so what happens if that broke out during the middle of a hurricane? Do they have people on standby inside the VAB? Or could it theoretically have just torched the entire inside

>>14880415
The rain from the hurricane would handle it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg4DiOmKlVM
Manley with the interpolated video like an anon said last thread

>>14880336
>IT FELL OVER

https://twitter.com/NASAKennedy/status/1574806590942756866

official word

>>14880421
Manlet sure has turned into a low effort faggot over the years.

>>14880435
clunk

>JHUAPL say that the #DARTMission image below shows a region 31m wide. By my calculation that would be an image scale of roughly 3cm/pixel. I've dropped a small, blue figure into the frame to show how big a 160cm tall human would be in this scene.

what was the impact in terms of nuclear bombs/megatons?

>>14880421
Hey I said that I’m glad someone noticed!
>>14880440
Kek yeah

>launch cubesat along with impactor whose ONLY job is to take pictures of the event
>fit it with a 90s motion sensor security camera set at 1 frame per 10 seconds
????

>>14880459
one milicubic megabomb

>>14880459
>The head-on impact of the 500 kg (1,100 lb)[65] DART spacecraft at 6.6 km/s (4.1 mi/s)[66][67] likely produced an energy equivalent of about three tonnes of TNT[68] and an estimated velocity reduction of Dimorphos on the order of 0.4 mm/s.

>>14880464
The shit camera was for pretty fast frame rate (relatively speaking) live views. There’s no such think as streaming HD in deep space

>>14880464
Bandwidth, we haven't deployed hi-band xray communications yet

I am out of the loop because I was working. When do they find out if DART actually alters its path?

>>14880440
wait, is he a manlet? he looks tall in his videos.

>>14880486
few days. like 10min period change over its 55hr orbit

>>14880464
Weren't the Euros supposed to launch a proper companion spacecraft that would more accurately observe the event? The Italian cubesat was probably a last minute addition when the ESA craft got delayed so pls no bully

>>14880487
lurk way, way more

>>14880488
I thought it was 12 hours

dart is the coolest thing since jwst

>>14880495
yes you are right
brain fart
it is 11hr 55MIN orbit, changed by 'several' min

>>14880490
>Originally, the European Space Agency (ESA) and NASA had independent plans for missions to test asteroid deflection strategies, and by 2015 they struck a collaboration called AIDA (Asteroid Impact and Deflection Assessment) involving two separate spacecraft launches that work in synergy.
>Under the proposal, the European spacecraft, AIM, would have launched in December 2020, and DART in July 2021. AIM would have orbited the larger asteroid to study its composition and that of its moon. DART would then kinetically impact the asteroid's moon on September 26, 2022, during a close approach to Earth
What could have been

>>14880490
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hera_(space_mission)
>It will measure the size and the morphology of the crater created by and momentum transferred by an artificial projectile impacting an asteroid, which will allow measuring the efficiency of the deflection produced by the impact.
>Launch date NET October 2024
>The Hera mission includes the eponymous main satellite and two CubeSats named Juventas and Milani.
>The Hera satellite is cubic in shape, 1.6 × 1.6 × 1.7 meters and has a mass of approximately 1128 kg. Its energy is provided by solar panels with an area of 13 m2. It includes an inter-satellite link to communicate with the two nano-satellites.

>>14880509
"landing"

>>14880503
>Euros literally can't get their work done on time to save the planet

>>14880541
Hahah

the fuck is happening at the VAB
https://twitter.com/EmreKelly/status/1574798099549196288
>VAB evacuated a few minutes ago, emergency personnel on scene. KSC working on getting details.

I knew DART would gather some attention but I underestimated just how much

>>14880555
Shelby's there with a gun telling them to launch it before he resigns in January.

>>14880302
had they literally put a iphone camera in there they would've gotten better footage

>>14880477
from the satellite footage it looks like Dimorphos was absolutely obliterated

>>14880559
he's gone in january? who is replacing him?

>>14880350
>smallish fire
>in the same building as 2 of the largest SRBs ever made
Not going to lie, I would be running.

>>14880555
stupid mars poster

>>14880564
wrong but thanks for exposing how stupid you are

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUdZVsP6kgY
>the next Saturn mission will arrive in a decade

>>14880575

Fuck roggs

>>14880559
I'm not going to miss him.

>>14880604
Oh wait nevermind that was just for the senate appropriations committee. Shelby’s already been replaced in 2021 by this guy though

>>14880558
The footage was so good, it was cool to watch it live.
I hope the Europa flyby will also gather attention.

>>14880558
>>14880633
There is also the sci-fi "deflecting asteroid" angle the media is milking for clicks.

>>14880439
Cancel this program NOW

>>14880575
We'll find out in November.

Memes and shitposting aside what are the chances the hurricane actually damages SLS?

>>14880682
Very low. The people who built the VAB were not idiots and knew they were building it on the coast of Florida.

>>14880682
Now that it's in the VAB? Almost zero, the VAB can take a hurricane.

It is now 27th and I don't see the orange can flying.

When will you SLS fags admit it will be postponed for 2023 at least? (assuming the Biden admin doesn't shelve it)

>>14880637
Once we get confirmation of orbit change that's not scifi anymore.

>>14880682
Very low. Unless the VAB is damaged in a freak accident sort of way, or the rocket has some starliner-tier problem where the humidity fucks with a sensor or valve, it’s gonna just sit there doing nothing. It should be noted though that they began stacking this thing in 2020 and there’s still a chance something could go wrong just by virtue of being old

>>14880689
who are you talking to? Everyone is this general wants it to scrub for embarrassment or blow up for relief

>>14880691
I know it's legit but the media isn't talking about a 10mm/s velocity change and what that means.
It's cool as fuck but not the game changer some are reporting it as.

>>14880689
>>14880700
I want it to fly just so it isn't a total waste, as much as I hate the politics and the design those politics created SLS is still the biggest rocket in my lifetime.

>>14880708
Stacked Starship is going to be 68 feet taller than SLS.

Looks like it was a good thing they rolled back by the way, iirc ~60 MPH was around the level where SLS would take serious damage, it looks like there's a good chance Canaveral gets heavy winds.
Not the best news, but there's nothing they can do about weather.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wHMaJ6AtNs

>>14880713
I'm not a height or thrust kind of guy, I only care about payload to LEO and until I see a Raptor 2 burn longer than 10 seconds I'm not betting on Starship.

>>14880708
Not the biggest
Not the highest payload
Not the highest thrust at takeoff

>>14880720
What about my lifetime don't you understand? I'm 38 so never saw Saturn.

>>14880723
Oh, I skipped over that, sorry, my bad.

>>14880632
isn't that the thing that killed Tasha Yar?

>>14880718
Fine if you wanna wait, but so far SpaceX has delivered very well.

>>14880734
And for a mere pittance of the cost.

>>14880717
And just because I like it, here's a current GOES image. First line of rain is gonna hit Canaveral in around an hour. Hurricanes are pretty big my dudes.

>>14880723
So starship doesn't even count as a rocket for you?
Based.

>>14880726
I can't blame you, the media doing "biggest rocket ever" all the time shits me too. I wish we had of just done the Saturn MLVs.

>>14880734
The Falcon 1 was nothing special, the Falcon 9 is the best medium LV, the Falcon Heavy would be good if it had a fairing big enough for it's mass capability.
This is what they have done in 20 years, I'm not saying that's bad but it's also not as amazing as people like to act. NASA went from the X-15 to Apollo 11 in the same timeframe.

>>14880696
>Unless the VAB is damaged in a freak accident sort of way
like a fire

>>14880751
Nasa also had the government check book in their purse

SLS isn't the only think that's leaking

>>14880770
Fuck off

>>14880764
Without a doubt and I'm sure SpaceX could do amazing things with the same funding. I just get sick of the "SpaceX is so much better than everyone else" mentality on the internet because people forget they have been around 2 decades and have produced 3 LVs one of which was just a proof of concept that got retired after 5 launches.
Sure Starlink is a good idea and should print them a fuckload of money but I don't buy into the idea that Starship is making orbit any time soon.

>>14880751
>Falcon Heavy would be good if it had a fairing big enough for it's mass capability
what the fuck would they even launch with it?

Protect her with all your hearts, sfg

>>14880770
Anyone got a lighter?

>>14880751
FH’s fairing size is not the problem. The problem is that 99% of people aren’t launching heavy payloads that F9 or other rockets can’t handle. And it IS getting an upgraded fairing to launch some large (volume wise) air force spooksats

>>14880798
The large fairing will also be used for Gateway PPE+HALO.

>>14880778
They could kill the Delta Heavy by stealing their NRO and GTO launches. They can't really do this because they based the Falcon 9 diameter on road transport leading to it being very long and skinny.
At least with all the work at Boca Chica they don't have to worry about that anymore and won't be building any more rockets with that limit.

>>14880798
>And it IS getting an upgraded fairing
Source? I remember a few years ago Musk saying they couldn't go wider because it would move the center of pressure too far forward. Are they just going longer?

>>14880773
The praise for spacex is because, like tesla, they did the things that their respective industries refused to do for too long, while also proving it could be done for relatively cheap. Its almost cathartic watching old space get mogged on a budget, the same way tesla is mopping the floor with legacy auto. They're flipping the status quo, and doing it in the leanest fashion on record.

>>14880773
The point is exactly how much good SpaceX has been without a giant budget.
The did what NASA failed to do with the Shuttle.

>>14880791

>>14880770
NOOOOOOO THAT WAS MEANT TO HEAT MY HOUSEEE REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>14880814
I agree they pushed reuse and it's changed the game, if Starship works and they get second stage reusability it'll be another leap.
As for Tesla I disagree, they were far from the first and were only the first to target the luxury market with no interest in being cheap or cost effective.

>>14880819
Shuttle was second stage reuse, the X-37 might have done this without refurb but it's too classified for us to know. Starship will likely be the first commercial second stage reuse.

>>14880812
F9's payload fairing is about the same diameter as Delta's though

>>14880830
Idk if you've seen tesla's balance sheet, but it seems pretty damn cost effective.

>>14880822
Are they... firefighting with hoses... in the ocean?

>>14880812
Yes let’s kill the rocket that has 2 launches left before retirement lmao

>>14880566
It has low gravity and no atmosphere hindering visibility. It yeets a lot of ejecta directly to space in a nice plume.

Fairing size has never been the main problem

>>14880881
just do expendable 4-core Falcon Super Heavy and a giant ass fairing. You’d BTFO starship in terms of payload size to LEO and then you can use starship to tug it to wherever it needs to go from there

>>14880881
It has for what became jwst

>Dark NASA

>>14880865
Atlas V then, point is there is demand for bigger failings and Falcon Heavy has the payload but not the volume to get more market share.

>>14880881
Then why are commercial GEOs rarely getting Falcon rides?

>>14880854
Could be self protection spray as they approach. idk.

>>14880830
>As for Tesla I disagree, they were far from the first and were only the first to target the luxury market with no interest in being cheap or cost effective.
They seem to be very effectively executing the long-term plan of using high end cars to fund the development of successively lower priced models

>>14880897
lol

Laser-induced annihilation plasma magnet drive

>>14880352
utter crap
but still more believable than the launch timeline of Moonfall

>>14880448
>160cm
sirs

Would a fusion rocket be able to leave earth, or is it space transport only? It has a really high ISP so doesn't that mean it should be able to take off? Why do images / proposals / whatever never depict it taking off of a planet?

>>14880954
>It has a really high ISP
so does an ion engine, you need THROOOST to get off of Urf
Isp is the roggedz equivalent of miles per gallon

https://twitter.com/ablspacesystems/status/1574827316705775617
>Flight 1 launch license still pending, now NET mid-October.
fuck the faa

>>14880954
Continuous fusion rockets can lift from Earth if their jet power is measured in gigawatts and you inject a shitload of water or LH2 into the exhaust to trade Isp for thrust and neutron absorption. Pulsed fusion can only lift from Earth if you're psychotic enough to make a fusion Orion boomboom.

>>14880954
>>14880980
Orion drive launch vehicle when?

>>14881010
so you can do it, but you just need to carry a bunch of water tanks for lift off / landings?

>>14881049
What is the point of the bouffant cap when all you beard is exposed like this?

>>14881072
By Allah, behave yourself

>>14880954
Depends on if thurst to weight ratio is greater or not on ground.

>>14881064
>>14881065
>>14881068
when the FUCK are they going to put the second stage on it?

>>14881133
all lockheed martin shares in the company

Houston bros we won, the earth gave us a wonderful day today. All seasons that aren’t autumn are GAY
>>14881133
As far as I know it’s still launching at the end of October so probably soon

lol. lmao.

>>14881162
what the fuck

>>14881162
Certainly not the “main enemy” of Elon Musk lol

>>14881162

>>14881167
Yeah, that's Biden.

>>14881167
Blue Origin so useless Bezos can even be recognized as Musk's main enemy.

>>14881162
They'll eventually come back to him when they need a weapon to crush the Martian rebels once and for all.

>>14880717
>iirc ~60 MPH was around the level where SLS would take serious damage
Gusts greater than 74 knots/85 MPH is when damage is possible, not necessarily probable.

https://nitter.net/SciGuySpace/status/1574144388682465280#m

>>14881199
SLS is fucked

>>14881199
Yeah, and if you have 60 MPH surface winds you'll probably have gusts of 90-100 MPH
>Tropical Storm winds 60 to 73 mph gusts to 95 mph
60 MPH winds is around the level where SLS would take serious damage.

>>14880717
So the ECMWF got it close to right with the first predictions. It's good they rolled back.

>>14881162
>Rogozin is in charge of a Ukrainian Oblast
What a timeline

>>14881237
They promoted him to a fake position to get him out of the way. His authority is shit all until the shooting stops, and even then only if Russia wins (unlikely).

>>14881236
Yeah, this was an easy decision imo.

https://twitter.com/gaerospacecorp/status/1559630922101559296
>GAC is developing an independent space station escape capability that uses an inflatable reentry system permanently docked to a space station. It enables individual crewmembers to escape a space station that has catastrophic damage when no other transport is available
>A crewmember, along with their life support and guided parafoil, is encapsulated and protected from entry in the envelope. A small propulsion system provides the deorbit delta-V. Deceleration at entry is less than 9 gees and entry is about 50 minutes after deorbiting
>An escape pod could eliminate the opportunity cost of keeping an expensive crew vehicle at a space station, thus making future space stations more affordable. The Escape Pod is based on EAD technology being developed by GAC with NASA funding for a Pluto lander mission.

>>14881250
MOOSE

>>14881243
>zero de facto authority
>can be scapegoated by Putin for anything that goes wrong
>permanently destroys his image in the eyes of most of the world
>opens him and his family up to even more personal sanctions
Yeah

>>14881162
so he was a politician after all

>>14881219
>>14881236
Can't tell if you're a shill for old space or just retarded, gusts are generally around 40% higher than sustained winds, which would mean gusts of 56 knots, almost exactly the forecast for KSC based on the ECMWF, and far less than the >74 knots for possible damage to SLS
>here SLS would take serious damage.
You have no source for this, you literally made it up.

>>14881256
Coming down in a glorified condom isnt nearly as chad as MOOSE. You can't see your reentry plasma streaming past you.

>>14881250
>9 gees
there's no gravity in space

>>14881250
>scam company

>>14881257
Wasn't saying it is a fun fate to have, I said I didn't think he would get in a situation like that

>>14881257
>opens him and his family up to even more personal sanctions
He has a house in Florida, I presume they'll seize it

>>14881259
I'm quoting the NOAA website you utterly retarded faggot, just go and check.
>You have no source for this, you literally made it up.
I'm not even going to look for one. SLS isn't on the pad anymore, ergo there was a significant chance of winds that could damage SLS. Continue to be an utter fucking moron if you want, it makes no difference to me.

>>14881278
I was agreeing with you; it's a meme position. Honestly he might like it though since he's a vatnik who wants Alaska returned to Russia.

>>14881268
MOOSE?!

>>14881293
Rogozin was always a political appointee. He spent his time at Roscosmos doing exactly what you'd expect a politician to do: embezzling the budget, tweeting about political shit, and trying to worm his way into a better position. 'Governor of occupied eastern Ukraine' is a higher ranked position than being the director of the space program.

>>14881288
>I'm not even going to look for one.
Because you made it up. NASA will rollback SLS if there's a possible chance of wind damage, not a probable chance of serious damage as you asserted. More than likely SLS would be perfectly fine if they left it on the pad in tropical storm force winds.
>anime spammer
Figures, only you could be this retarded.

>>14880770
zooby over the moon

>>14881338
>not a probable chance of serious damage as you asserted
Conditional on there being 60MPH surface winds it is probable that SLS would be damaged.
>Figures, only you could be this retarded.
Oh, you want more?

>>14880770
I see your mom's taking a bath again.

>>14881338
>anime spammer

Kek that picture has been a /sfg/ classic since before you left Reddit to infest here fucking newfag.

>>14881162
Starship deploying powered exoskeleton marines to Ukraine.

>>14880696
>the humidity fucks with a sensor or valve, it’s gonna just sit there doing nothing.
And what if a lightning strike kicks off another electrical fire?

>>14880696
The SRBs are already expired

>>14881236
What's going to stop SLS next?
Earthquake?
Volcano?

>>14881376
Don't worry we can just renew the expiry date, they'll be fine.

>>14881347
>Conditional on there being 60MPH surface winds it is probable that SLS would be damaged.
The only known fact is that SLS can withstand windspeeds of 82 MPH without damage, and there's probably some safety margin for winds beyond this point. There is no evidence for your claim of "serious damage" in 60 MPH winds. Why not just admit that you are objectively wrong and you don't have a source for your claim? If you had a source, you've would have posted it by now instead of spamming anime like it means anything.
>>14881365
>Cannot recognize the anime schizo even when he admits to it
>Calls me a newfag
Absolute retard, you should be embarrassed.

>>14881382
Me.

>>14881392
>The anime schizo

Take your fucking meds holy shit, here's an anime girl just for you.

Did NASA release the raw DART images yet? I don't wanna edit the youtube-compressed ones from the stream.

>trolling outside /b/

>>14880366
Very interesting those arms? Is the distance they are separated at to be expected? Related to spiral arms in anyway?

The pictures after and after and after them are also desired to be seen, what's left over of the asteroid, ans how these debris arms and asteroid evolve

>>14881392
>The only known fact is that SLS can withstand windspeeds of 82 MPH without damage, and there's probably some safety margin for winds beyond this point.
NTA, but are they saying, like, it won't tip over and all the bendy bits can flex up to that point?

Because as far as hurricane debris like, say, glass from a shattered VAB window, that sounds a little hard to model or 100% guarantee it will never hurt anything on the outside of the rocket.

>>14881406
>it won't tip over and all the bendy bits can flex up to that point?
It's unclear what they mean but probably that. In a category 1 hurricane lofty objects like asphalt roofing shingles and vinyl siding can tear off and fly for some distance before skidding near the ground but I cannot see anything besides maybe leaves hitting SLS.

>all the rockets hunkering down for the storm
comfy

>>14881305
I would love to see an animation as to how the fuck this was actually meant to work.

>>14880770
I'll drink to that.

>>14881464
Zubrin raising a glass of finely brewed Martian airlock piss to the success of the colony.

>>14881399
My boner my boner my boner wont go down

>>14881464
is this a fresh Zubrin???? thank you sir

>>14881464
Is he already back from his mission in Baltic Sea?
That was fast.

>>14881464
>my mom has the exact same table as mr zubrin
based mom

>>14881486
Anon, Zubrin is at her house right now.

>>14881488

>>14881449
Christ how based is it that were at a stage where multiple different rockets are all at the cape awaiting there launches.

>>14881488
>those digits

>>14881488
>you'll never have dr z as your stepdad
why even live

Kinda wish they'd take more visible light images. IR and NIR is all well and good but it doesn't look as cool

>>14881488
OH NOOOOOO MEIN KAMPF

>>14881488
HH

>>14881488
zebrine no

https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1574883933304537088

>>14881558
Isn't it a bit dangerous for him to be filming so close?

>>14881558
>tory bruno
reddit moment

>>14881373
I have not seen this image ever since I made the edited one kek

>>14881056
That other anon is mistaken, you actually need at least terawatts of power OR magic technology that gives you a gigawatt scale fusion reactor for the mass of a typical medium sized chemical rocket engine.

>>14881488
>double1488

>>14881488

>>14880770
just put a wooden door over it

>>14881488
oh nein

>>14881488
>these digits

>>14881488
legendary post

>>14881558
Yeah, that's a good looking rocket

>>14881598
Why should I believe you, scientifically

>>14881558
based bruno

Will anything happen in this thread besides the worship of spaceflight personalities? We just don't know.

>>14881614
someone got double 1488 as a post number

>>14881558
Absolute Kino.

>>14881621
Hitler was a spaceflight personality.

>>14881625
That's an American rocket

>>14881614
If you want things to happen, give SpaceX a call and tell them to stop dicking around and start flying/exploding again.
Or maybe tell NASA to unfuck their 40 year old tech so we can see the big orange dong fly.
Or invent magic so Blue Origin can start flying this side of 2026.

>>14881635
shuttle derived tech is a technological dead end I hope it blows up. Same with anything Blue Origin is doing

s p a c e p l a n e s

>>14881643
Good idea, never been tried.

>>14881643
not spaceflight related

>>14881633
It's an RTV-G-4 Bumper which was a V2 with a WAC Corporal on top.

s p a c e p l a n e s with mid-low thrust fusion drives

just like slowly cruise to orbital velocity on high specific impulse engines

>>14881650
>high specific impulse in the atmosphere
>irradiate the launchpad
what a dumb idea

fusion-powered spaceplane and the wings are actually solar sails
it's also an SSTO with an aerospike

Which advantages spaceplanes have over return capsules and landing rockets?
Other than looking very cool.

>>14881656
is it really rocketry if your launchpad isn't a superfund cleanup site by the time you're done with it

>>14881659
NTR with UDMH/NTO propellant

planerocket

>>14881656
>>14881659
build a mass driver out to sea, accelerate with it to a safe distance, detach then enable fusion drive over unpopulated water restricted naval zone

>>14881641
It's not a dead end, it's just that we've refused to move forward since 1980. Same RS-25s. Same boosters. If we'd actually evolved the RS-25 into the STME or finished the ASRM project then SLS might not have ended up the fucked up frankenrocket it is today.

>>14881649
Yes, an American rocket, like I said

>>14881658
Nothing, also they don't look cool.

>>14881659
More like super-FUN

>>14881663
Just stick with a standard LH2 NTR, then inject Fluorine as an afterburning agent.

Or just go with an open gas core NTR. That'd probably be way more effective.

>>14881673
The V2 was a German rocket later produced in a number of other countries, including the US. Calling it American and implying it wasn't the direct result of Hitler's Wunderwaffe program is just ignorant.

>>14881679
This man's got the spirit of spaceflight. Not an ounce of Earther to be found in him.

>>14881681
Project Pluto air breathing NTP.
ClF3 propellant gas core NTP.
Ablative Cobalt-60 nozzle cooling.

>>14881488
Replying for posterity

>>14881698
Yeah, but that's just not the same as enhancing your exhaust with 98% enriched U235.

ok hear me out:
orion drive spaceplane

>>14881347
Good thing SLS moves slower than 60 mph on its way out of the atmosphere, it could get damaged!

>>14881687
They added parts, it's American

>>14880717
>>14880717
>there's nothing they can do about weather.


If NASA(the government) had taken spaceflight seriously like SpaceX, they would would be terra forming mars and venous by now and would already know how to control the Earth's climate and weather.

>>14881710
Lateral wind speeds != prograde windspeeds

>>14881488
Well then...

Eins, zwei, drei!...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAzVYCs4BMY

>>14881717
Boy did that title page miss the mark on the direction of space launch

>>14881717
>21st century tech
>a fucking asteroid

>>14881717
Where does the asteroid land

>>14881706
this but unironically

We weren’t ready

>>14881706
Reminder that Orion (the dumb one) was originally supposed to be a lifting body but lockmart chickened out

>>14881710
Forget it, you can see in these threads how fast people just accept mindless officialism under the guise of safety without giving any thought to whether it's justified or not.

>>14881458
Here you go.

>>14881760
I turned myself into a heatshield, Morty. I'm ablative Rick.

>>14881488
Hitler has blessed this union

>>14881710
Reddit level intelligence

>>14881641
Blue Origin can't explode they have no engines.

>>14881791
Supposedly they do now

How much is ULA paying for each BE-4

>>14881799
$12M IIRC

>>14881804
I am both shocked at how high that is but also surprised at how low it is lol. I would say that isn’t terrible. I give BO a pass because it’s a third party purchasing them, and at least it’s close to the $10 mil range and not the $100 mil range
What I’d REALLY like to know is how much it cost them to make the engine. Idk if we will ever get the exact number, but I know it’s gotta be pretty expensive compared to how low a newspace company should be doing it

>>14881783
He's right through. If we had real space journalists they would be demanding that NASA tell them the exact structural limitation and failure modes from modest wind load when SLS can handle being filled with thousands of tons of pressurized propellant along with the tremendous forces of launch. It's not enough to say "well better safe than sorry" when rollback also stresses the vehicle and the next launch opportunity will be pushed to mid to late November. The people that were crying about NASA having "go fever" for not immediately pulling the plug can go eat a bag of shit.

>>14881810
Lately Berger has been pressing pretty hard with questions every time there’s a teleconference. He was lenient around the first green run when he had his BO hat on but since then I think he’s been blackpilled into just hammering it home. He only gets 1 question per teleconference though and they usually try their best to dodge his questions. What’s funny is that as good as a space reporter as he is, I’m surprised he hasn’t scheduled a one-on-one with Nelson or something. I guess that would be a speed run to get banned from all future press events though

>>14881804
Wholesome Blorg, they are kind and dont fuck their customers. they are good folks all around

>>14881804
Makes that $140+ price tag for an SSME look all the worse. Imagine getting mogged by blue fucking origin of all people

>>14881810
>If we had real space journalists they would be demanding that NASA tell them the exact structural limitation and failure modes from modest wind load when SLS can handle being filled with thousands of tons of pressurized propellant along with the tremendous forces of launch.
The orange foam is very fragile.

>>14881488

>As of March 2022, the first flight of New Glenn is expected to occur no earlier than January 2023.
Well???

>>14881831
>Vulcan Centaur
>December 2022 (planned)
Neither are launching

>>14881794
KEEP ROLLIN ROLLIN ROLLIN ROLLIN

>>14881831
>the first flight of New Glenn
impossible

>>14881488
anon your mom and I are fine we're just checking sure everything is nominal under the engine skirt

>>14881831
Which will happen first, SLS launch or New Glans launch?

>>14881847
SLS could scrub to NET November 2023 and need new SRBs and FTS and I would still bet on SLS over New Shit

>>14881810
>It's not enough to say "well better safe than sorry" when rollback also stresses the vehicle

Kek, meanwhile at starbase

>Yeah mate crane is good to go, hook her up

>>14881820
Hydrologgs is hard ok

>>14881854
Flight hardware vs pad testing hardware. Inb4
>but spacex said booster 7 will fly!!

>>14881862
SLS will never be a real rocket

>>14881865
It holds up to all the same standards Starship currently does

>>14881870
Starship can be lifted by a crane without falling apart.

>>14881862
>Hardware that literally flies
>Not flight hardware
This is your brain on copium.

>>14881881
what are you talking about
>>14881875
>rocket is when crane lifts you up
how do you think SLS was stacked

>>14881883
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_SpaceX_Starship_flight_tests

>>14881886
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Space_Shuttle_missions

>>14881794
OK Jeff, are these 'engines' in the room with us right now?
Can we see them, too?
Or are they only visible to you?

Reminder that SLS has never flown before and it is a failure cobbled together to replace constellation.

>>14881888
>Mobilefag
This explains a lot. How's the nightshift going at the Alabama river rocks quarry?

>>14881893
Deflecting with ad hominems? Nice reddit spacing >>14881854

>>14881268
There's only one Chad descent vehicle, anon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_KXgFpguE0

Kek, he is actually mad for some reason.

Asteroid redirection kill vehicle based orbital bombardment fueled by PropaNos monopropellant

>>14881892
We don't have a publicly available super heavy lift vehicle. Starship is real. Starship has, and you've seen 'em down at Boca Chica. We're building the zero, we're building the stage zero and boosters. Uh, we have all the engines already done ready to be put on the test stand at McGregor. Um, but I don't see any hardware for a Space Launch System ex-except that NASA's gonna take four engines, four museum pieces and put 'em together with a leaky hydrogen tank in a hurricane and that becomes the System. It's not that easy in rocketry.

>>14881875
Starship has flown.

mmmm roggs

>>14881918
When is NASA gonna Probe of tolerance those roggs?

>>14881918
>EXPENDABLE ROADS

>>14881918
This man's gravel levels are dangerously depleted, get him another 500 truckloads from Alabama stat.

>>14881918
Canaveral is only 10 feet above the sea. The crawlers have probably pushed several times that of gravel down into the sand.

>the NASA crawler has a top speed of one mile per hour loaded
>a gopher tortoise has a top speed of 5 miles per hour
My money is on the tortoise winning a race down the 4.2 mile long crawlerway despite that it throws that Aesop fable on its head. Maybe the real moral of the story is that tortoises are OP.

>>14881918
Think of the Taxpayer mon- I mean science...

>>14881990
>You know if we made the road wider and out of solid concrete it would sink much, much slower than a gravel roa-
>Shelby sniper kills you

>>14881918
Imagine putting your balls there.

Considering starship may now be launched before SLS, does esseffgee have any creative predictions for how starship will be sabotaged?

>>14882033
SLS is delayed till november?

>>14882033
FAA will just delay the launch loicence until next year.

so why aren't you building your own rotating detonation engine??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRMMSyCcTDI

>>14882041
The next feasible launch windows are in November, I think

>>14882041
They are already downplaying the idea of a launch in late October

Source:
https://youtu.be/JimRGwKV4D8?t=1575

>>14882041
Yeah lol. The tldr is that mother nature summoned a hurricane to fuck with SLS such that they cannot launch until November. This combo of events increases the wait duration until next, launch, thus increases the probability of new issues popping up until next launch window.

>>14881488
nice digits Anon, very nice

>>14881488
I sneed and I kneel

>>14882033
No loicence, simple as.

>>14881488
Braun approved digits

>>14882047
Rotating meme engine, who cares when raptors are already 99.whatever percent efficient

>But noooo muh 0.00001% efficiency gain

>The expected arrival of Hurricane Ian will require assessment and cleanup ahead of returning the rocket to its launch pad for its scheduled moon mission. Given the severe weather and cleanup from it, plus lingering technical matters, the chances of an October launch are thin, agency officials said.
>NASA Administrator Bill Nelson has suggested NASA is leaning toward the November dates. "We know that the earliest it could go is late October, but more than likely we'll go in the window in the middle of November," he told CNN(opens in new tab) earlier today.
What is even happening at NASA HAHAHAHAHAHA

So if NTRs have very low thrust, can't you just increase the mass flow rate until its high enough?

>>14881918
only the finest alabamian roggs

>>14882113
Not without gutting the ISP, unless you manage to increase the heating of the propellants a lot.

>>14882101
>What is even happening at NASA

Incompetence and embezzlement, same as any other government agency.

>>14882101
>starship may launch before SLS after all
lol, lmao even

>>14882113
What you're describing is basically LOX-augmented NTP which would still have okay specific impulse but the high dry mass of the reactor and hydromeme tankage ensures that the overall performance would be worse than chemical when run in such a configuration. NTP is just the retarded middle child of existing propulsion methods even absent the high cost since it's too low in thrust to replace chemical and too low in specific impulse to replace electric. It's niche is pretty much...
>need slightly more delta-v than chemical for impulsive maneuvers deep in a gravity well and staging or refueling somehow isn't an option

https://selenianboondocks.com/2010/06/ssto-ntr-bad/

>>14882094
this is so dumb take that all I can add is this pic

>>14882164
>starship may launch before SLS after all
Nah, FAA will make sure it doesn't happen

>>14881488
mein Gott

>>14880341
you might be gay

>>14880481
RETARD
>>14880484
RETARD
>>14880464
yeah it's embarrassing

>>14880293
Why are astronauts nowadays so old?

Ok so uhhhh did we deflect diddykong or not?

>>14881794
ULA has strict priority over Below Orbit for engine delivery

>>14880366
grazie fra

wtf

>>14882063
>>14882101
i'm not sure what the advantage of november over october is for a launch window. if you roll it out for october 17 then you have 10 potential launch days out of 14. if you roll it out for november 14 then you have 10 potential launch days out of 13. unless they're just worried that hurricane cleanup is gonna take 3+ weeks.

I wonder what clearchan looks like, esp her butt...

>>14882662
If you want to look at hairy man ass you can just look in a mirror

>>14882164
if only. 2023 is more likely. they've got a ton of work that they're focused on instead of trying to rush a launch.

>>14882665
today i learned im dummy thicc

today is the year
vulcan
starship
sls
arian 6
blue glenn

https://youtu.be/UQWOkoAxj6M
a mans rocket is his castle

>>14880341
you are a homo now

>>14882694
i fucked the judds

ARE WE THERE YET

>>14881488
Get me in the screenshot

>>14882677
>flying castle
>trampoline
meme makes itself

>>14882042
>FAA will just delay the launch loicence until next year.
Other rocket companies are testing and flying, why can't SpaceX?

They already flown and landed starship, the public that would care is already aware, if stacked starship succesfully reaches orbit, before SLS, the news stories will be more and worse than already?

>>14882770
>the news stories will be more and worse than already?

>>14882042
>FAA will just delay the launch loicence until next year.
This is why I said it was unfair to compare SpaceX to China Spaceflight because SpaceX is not America's company, and I these instances America is slowing and sabatoging it's progress

https://astra.com/news/lv0010-launch-investigation-update/
>We’ve determined that the upper stage shut down early due to a higher-than-normal fuel consumption rate. Through the review of flight data, reconstruction of flight timelines, and the construction of an extensive fault tree, we have narrowed the root cause to an issue with the upper stage engine. We have also completed many rounds of ground testing, including multiple tests that yielded results consistent with the failure condition in flight.
>The team is conducting additional experiments to verify the root cause before wrapping up the investigation with the FAA. We are focused on conducting an exhaustive investigation and ensuring that we extract all lessons learned.
>Once the investigation is finished, we look forward to sharing our lessons learned in a future blog post.

>>14882101
The crazy thing is if they tried that pressure leak fix that worked last time, the first time, it would have flown that 2nd attempt,

>>14882784
LMAO
AND THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T NEED TO TEST THE 2ND STAGE
AHAHA

Should we be concerned about this?

>>14882843
>Spaceflight

>>14882843
Is this real?
If so, it's a bad because it slows down the population growth.

>>14882784
Looking forward to the bankruptcy blog post soon to come

>>14882784
>early due to a higher-than-normal fuel consumption rate.
The fuel was consumed higher than usual in a flight test than static fires?

>>14882837
I wonder if they're going to "not need to test" the completely new second stage they're replacing it with.

>>14882893
I'm guessing the second stage engine is just hot garbage. Didn't they lose one of their earlier flights because S2 got the fuel-oxidizer mix wrong somehow?

>>14882843
>Should we be concerned about this?
Not if those 12th graders go to college and get good enough paying jobs to afford mail order brides

>>14882784

>>14882904
Leave her THE FUCK ALONE

>>14882893
>>early due to a higher-than-normal fuel consumption rate.
>The fuel was consumed higher than usual in a flight test than static fires?
Could this imply when it came time for 2nd stage an amount of fuel from the tank had depleted?
And/or the engine sucked more fuel in than expected and put out less than thought

>>14882908
YOU SPIN ME RIGHT ROUND BABY RIGHT ROUND

After jp aerspace no one will ever remember rockets

It's that easy.

JAXA > ESA

Ariane 6 launches this year. I wonder what she will wear to the stand

>>14882937
The joke here is that the ">" is facing the wrong way, just like JAXA's Hayabusa MINERVA lander was

>>14882947
Q1-2 2023 at the earliest. Her parts are all coming together but they're moving at an expected European speed.

>>14882958
I wish Euro projects were faster. that mars rover is really embarrassing

>>14882194
That's why NTP will almost exclusively be a military technology until it is replaced by fusion.

>>14882960
Exomars is more a case of them being screwed over by multiple international partners. They've got a very long history of this sort of them happening to them. It's why they're so paranoid about growing and maintaining domestic capabilities.

>>14882970
which countries are actually paranoid? i know france is stepping up their game.

>>14882960
Nigger Russia started a fucking land war in Europe. What did you expect? That they would allow Russia to launch their rover?

>>14882985
just launch on a falcon heavy

>>14882993
It's not that easy.

>>14882993
Ah, you're a fucking retard. Read about how the Rover will land on Mars. Then read about why you can't simply switch payloads between rockets like lego pieces.

>>14882995
It actually is. Russia doesn't have anything capable of matching a Falcon Heavy for payload to Mars.

>>14882998
falcon heavy would work just fine

>>14883001
The Rover lands on Mars using a Russian lander. Falcon Heavy can't land the fucking rover for them. The rover is also specifically built for the forces of the Proton-M rocket like vibrations, to switch it to another rocket you will have to do long and extensive testing of the enviroment of launch for a Falcon Heavy and replace any part that can't handle the switch.

We really need a way to filter these underage retards from reddit.

>>14883009
jpl

>>14883022
ESA asked them first, but NASA refused partnership in the last moment. But sure, wait a decade for them to build a lander.

Retard.

>>14882979
They're paranoid collectively, with good reason.

The modern European space program got started when we screwed over Symphonie back in the early 1970s. Symphonie-A/B were the first geostationary communications satellites that were gyro-stabilized, which made them far more capable than the spin-stabilized soup cans that had been launched before them. It was also supposed to launch on the Europa, but when that failed they went shopping for a new rocket which meant asking NASA/Washington. That was a problem because the state department owned a controlling share of Intelsat which ran all of the GEO soup cans and they didn't want any competition. They agreed to launch Symphonie on a Thor-Delta on the condition that it only be used as an experimental rather than commercial satellite. Europe agreed, but the whole thing pissed them off so badly they went and developed the Ariane-1 so they'd never be reliant on anyone else ever again.

They haven't had the best run of international protects since then either. Just off the top of my head there was the time we agreed to two probe International Solar Polar Mission and then canceled our half of the mission, or the times during Shuttle-Spacelab when NASA's inability to maintain normal interagency communications channels left the ESA feeling like we were treating them like second-class partners (which we were, kinda). Most recently we agreed to provide a rocket for the Exomars trace gas orbiter, but then didn't so it ended up flying on a Proton, or the time we agreed to build a lander for Rosalind Franklin and then didn't because it was too expensive.

The European sentiment is that it is fine to work with international partners but you shouldn't be surprised if they screw you over at any time for any reason because they really don't care about you or your contributions to the project or even care about the project itself. The only people you can (mostly) trust are other European institutions. Maybe.

>>14883027
spaxex starship

>>14882963
By Allah I will force the Space Force leaders and their underlings to play KSP

>>14883009
Land the rover in a cargo dragon.

>>14883027
Sorry Euros, we have our own, better rover.

>>14883035
Asking the State Department to be nice is to put it mildly an exercise in futility, and NASA has no control over whether or not Congress feels like screwing over the EU again

It's not like collaboration hasn't backfired in the other direction as well, NASA recently capped foreign contributions to planetary missions to 33% after the Insight delay

Some new stamps coming up, might get a few uploaded this evening

>>14883058
I wish astra-chan was my girlfriend, i would treat her like a princess

>>14883074
I wish you'd stop posting

>>14883074
TROPICS could be observing Hurricane Ian right now and giving us new insights into the properties of storms, but Astra-chan is a lazy fucking NEET who can't make it to orbit properly.

>>14883076

>>14883079
She deserves better than soulless chris kelp and his band of jackoffs. With me I would help her shine

>>14883079
She's the kind of weirdo who fails over and over again at basic tasks and then drops out of school so she can go on a backpacking trip to "reinvent herself."

>>14883076
why?