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I know that intuitively zero is the absence of a unit := 1, but then must -1 exist for zero to exist?
I don't think so. Notice the mere idea of existence, suppose that nonexistence exists. This seems almost paradoxical. But the idea of existence can actually define all natural numbers. Supposed the paradox: nothing exists (nothing<->exists). Thus, both must exist. Let something be represented as 1 and nothing be 0. We see that 0 implies 1, this is actually quite obvious from the paradox: nothing exists. But now notice among things which exist: 0, 1 there are two things, therefore 2 must exist. And now we notice that n implies n+1. This essentially allow for the Peano axioms to be defined and the basic principle of induction.
So from nothing we can basically define all things.
We see that Natural numbers exist, and that the inverse of addition exists and we can then define integers
Multiples exist and so do inverses and the structure of math and logic appears.
Algorithms exist
Spaces exist
Functions exist
Particles exist
Life exists...
But do real numbers actually exist?
Unless... if multiples exist then it's obvious that we can say N is between two numbers, and then again between each pair of those and so on until N and that's why (0, 1) is unaccountable or whatever the fuck realtards say.
I did it /sci/... I proved real numbers exist without a doubt.

>> No.14879100

>>14879098
>>>/lit/
Zero is not "nonexistence". Your intuition is retarded.

>> No.14879106

>>14879100
boolean bros not like this

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>> No.14879115

>>14879109
>perfect pseud comic reply to a pseud thread
This thread is now complete.

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OP here, now that I have explained everything in the universe ever what's left for a giga brain like me?
I mean if a 20 year old can figure this out then clearly it's a nothing burger.
The only reason people care about solving specific problems if because it's artful labor to them. They will cope and cry that's it's functional, when it's not. Obviously Humanity peaked pre IR. Doing routine labor to live is just a reason to be alive, but toiling for a reward of abstract personal value is the highest reward to the ego and thus defines a life of life.
I think I'm going to drop out of my EE degree and go become a fisherman in the north.

>> No.14879456

Math is nothing more than a filtered langage. Like french or english. And you use that langage to make logic phrases. The fact that it is filtered make it extremely powerful as a tool since there is little to no margin of erreur from an individual to another. That's it. Maths doesn't "exist" or "don't exist". Nothing more or less as any other langage

>> No.14880176

>>14879456
>filtered langage
A result of math

>> No.14880995

>>14879098
instead of thinking as 1 as something and 0 as nothing think of it as 1 is form and 0 without form or as this fag said >>14879106
boolean. It just a switch is on or off, just because the switch is off doesnt mean it is gone, it is just off.

>> No.14881058

>>14880995
>dependence on the idea of form
form is a result of my defined structure, pretty pointless to reframe it but now that I've constructed it existentially you can do whatever you want with it. You're welcome.

>> No.14881590

>mfw 0 = {}, 1 = {0}, 2 = {0, 1}, etc. was right all along
I FUCKING HATE SET THEORY FUCK!!!!!

>> No.14882402

>>14881058
real numbers exist because shapes, distance and angles exist regardless of if people are there to measure them or not. numbers are blueprints for shapes. Squares are 6, triangles (pyramids) 4 (yes 4 you arent thinking in 3 dimensions pseud, it has a bottom) so on and forth. you're welcome faggot.

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>>14879098
[eqn]a + (-a) = 0[/eqn]

>> No.14882647

>>14880995
0 is not "off". 0 is the additive identity in arithmetic. Why are NPCs incapable of abstract thought?

>> No.14882671

>>14882647
stfu psued, you and I arent even speaking the same language because you are a fucking retard just babbling jibberish

>> No.14882673

>>14882671
Quadrijabbed subhuman.

>> No.14882686

>>14882673
I jabbed your mom in her bum with my pecker incel

>> No.14882695

>>14882686
Filthy gigavaxxer.

>> No.14882716

>>14879098
Don't post here when you're high

>> No.14882721

>>14882647
>additive identity
What a simpleton circular definition. This is the reason why Wildburgers run wild these days.
>in arithmatic
Good heavens, how delightful you are.

Post more. What is a "number" to you?

>> No.14882728

>>14882721
>circular
What's circular about it, mouth breather?

>> No.14882755

>>14882728
>additive identity of a set that is equipped with the operation of addition is an element which, when added to any element x in the set, yields x
One is a One when you add it to zero you get One.

Sit down, boy, youre a dunce in this class that still thinks your college professors are "Totes smart fr fr".

THAT is why I said Wildburgers run wild, because the foundations of your mathematical knowledge have cracks that need crumbling.

>> No.14882757

>>14882755
So what's the circular part, mouth breather? lol

>> No.14882758

>>14879109
/thread
>hurr but is it REAL???!!
Shut the fuck up nerd

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>>14882757
>One is a One when you add it to zero you get One.
This one you illiterate peon.

Go Back To /b/.

>> No.14882766

>>14882762
That's not the definition of zero. That's your mentally ill definition of 1, which doesn't have the same form.

>> No.14882772

>>14882766
>That's not the definition of zero.

Its a simplistic inversion for your dumb-dumb brain to see the circular logic.

Jesus you are fucking stupid.

GO BACK TO /b/.

>> No.14882778

>>14882772
>Its a simplistic inversion
What does your "simplistic inversion" have to do with anything? Your mental illness is something to behold. lol

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>>14882778
>no I aint checkmated U's is checkmated

/b/, go....

>> No.14882785

>>14882783
Why are you losing your mind instead of answering my question?

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>>14882785
I answered it repeatedly.
Youre too stupid to see it.

Why Cant You See It? ANSWER THE QUESTION.

>/b/......GO....

>> No.14882982

>>14882803
>Why Cant You See It?
See what? What does your "simplistic inversion" have to do with the definition of 0? It's not analogous. lol

>> No.14883809

>>14882402
They're properties emergent to natural numbers existing
it's not that interesting at all and it doesn't matter how precise you want to explain it, they're all emergent from the existential definition.

>> No.14883826

>>14882716
I've never done drugs and abhor drug users
The thought came to me when I was thinking about the structure of language and how/why it exists.
If we can teach a computer a language from signals, the only things we require are two, I was then thinking about binary and how you can create numbers in binary with just two states: 0, 1.
That then lead me to think about induction and existence.

>> No.14885398

>>14882638
+a-a=0

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>>14882982
>It's not analogous
Its the rigorously analogous, only a non-mathematician would be so blind.

Are....you an engineer or something?

GO BACK TO /b/. This isnt your home.

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>>14882402
>(pyramids)
*cough-tetrahedron-cough*

Pyramid would have a square bottom...but on a side not, the Pyramids of Giza are not "Pyramids", theyre Octahedrons.

>> No.14885522

>>14883826
Neat train of thought.

When comouter do math theyre limited by both computer archetectyre and programming, as binary works like Egyptian math.

1, 2, ,4, 8 16 32 *64* *128* *256*, each having a one over them except 1. Proportionally. Nintendo 64 as an example.

Things like 1/3rd become impossible and we have to use programming to round it out as best as possible.